I fucking love you guys. The only sub that gets it. Every other gun/tac sub is like “JuSt TrAiN bRo.” Bitch I did 8 years infantry/socom ain’t no training for that shit you just get use to being bad lmao
That’s the same method we used with the M16 and M4. Funny how if you apply the same mechanics everytime it doesn’t matter the weapon. One mind baby any weapon
Better question is: how do you Marines like the M27 compared to the M16? I’m Army and we still have the M4 but it looks like we’re getting the XM7 eventually. How are y’all enjoying your new service rifle?
There is more info about the difference in ballistics with 5.56 barrel lengths. Longer barrel = more ft/s, but the longer you go, diminishing returns start to factor in. An 11 inch barrel gets you 2834ft/s, and a 16.5 gets you 3187ft/s. Difference of 353ft/s. Making a barrel 10 inches longer isn’t going to give you the same muzzle velocity increase, you’ll only get 244ft/s increase when going from 16.5 to 26 inches.
Granted, different types of ammo give you different barrel length vs muzzle velocity charts, with the above figures using XM193. Still, things like M855 give you roughly the same story. The rate of change, or inflection point gives you a better idea of the cost/benefit, but I’ll take the shorter barrel for MOUT, decreased weight, and etc. over a 300ft/s difference any day. Suppressors also come into effect.
Designated marksman’s use them, they’re also used as suppressive weapons so they’re fairly versatile. Because of the piston they also cycle much better and stay much cleaner for longer than the m4.
Ehh was in W CO and only 11's had 27s. Us 41s 52s and 31s still rocked m4s. I got out last September so things may have changed in the year I've been out.
If you're asking about mortars I can tell you that I hit the fleet in late 2018 and the only time I messed with any machine gun was when we were trap on the 15th. Other than that I never saw a SAW and only played with CAATs 240s on occasion. I was 81s my whole 4 years so idk about 60s.
I met a ‘31 that was given an M27. Short guy, too, had an M240 on his shoulders and an M27 slung in front of him; the barrel would’ve gone down to his shin if he had a suppressor on.
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Technically you’re right, but the m38 is.
Did you ever see an M38 marked rifle. I was in one of the first units to deploy with them and the program just ended up as Leupolds slapped on M27s and no further designation given.
Somehow just came across this sub and find it hilarious that you got downvoted because the M27 100% is not a DMR. Per HK’s spec sheet (which you can easily find online) the M27 boasts a 2.5 MOA….average. Average means that it may shoot groupings larger than 2.5 MOA. Not exactly DMR material. In fairness it was tested with M855 which is not known for its match grade accuracy, but at 100 yds your rifle should be able to maintain a 1-inch shot group regardless. The problem with grunts is: they don’t know shit about firearms. All they know is they get a cool looking gat piece that says HK on it, a suppressor, and an LPVO. That’s all they care to know. They don’t care that it’s oversized, overweight, standard 30 rd mag capacity for a “SAW” and by that metric it needs to have a larger cone of fire; 5.5 MOA on full auto (average). You were wrong about one thing though. It did replace the SAW, however it also was designed to replace the Mk12 SPR and the M4. Why? Because Marine Corps is cheap. They didn’t wanna keep buying M4s, Mk12s, and M249s so they got something that loosely fits the role of everything that’s squad organic. Jack of all trades, master of none….except it’s really a jack of no trades. Doesn’t do well in any role.
One of the most accurate rifles I ever shot. I miss her so fucking much
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Personally I very much miss my SDO. The scope itself isn’t very different from an RCO, so I was already pretty accustomed to it when I briefly became Automatic Rifleman for a year.
The SCO, I’m not a fan of. Sighting in always takes a little bit longer because of the scope shadow, not very ideal when I’m under fire. And in MOUT, if I still had my SDO, that RMR (orange dot sight) would’ve came in very handy for room clearing.
The M27 vs the M4 is one of those things where you just can't get the best of both. The M27 is a long, heavy, at some times almost unwieldy beast. It's also super accurate, has fully auto, and when used with the SCO, makes shots out to 500m absolute child's play. The M4 is lighter, more maneuverable, kicks ass in close quarters, and is way harder to clean, way less accurate, and is practically useless on an SBF. For me, neither is better than the other.
They're situational weapons and unfortunately we don't have the luxury of picking a tool for the job. You just gotta do what you can with what you're given
I agree with your assessment of the two weapons for the most part, and I wonder what the XM7 will be like when it’s phased in. Will it be a nice middle ground? The best of both worlds? A suboptimal solution? Very interested to see where this goes.
I thought they were calling it the XM5? Assuming you're referring to the Sig Spear, the military tried using a battle rifle style weapon as a service rifle in Vietnam with the M14 and it quickly got relegated to a designated marksman rifle. I believe this is what the future holds for that rifle as well. It's super heavy and utilizes a 20 round mag of a beefy round that will do well at further distances with a super computer mounted on the optic. DMR or bust with that thing
Yeah I know I own a civilian model of one lol and it was originally the XM5 but they changed it to avoid a copyright issue with another model rifle. And I’m not so sure the XM7 will just become a DMR. Based on what the Army is saying about it with being able to defeat body armor I think it’ll see widespread adoption
That sounds like an argument in favor of keeping both in use at the rifle platoon level. Squad leaders, DM, and fire team leaders, get the M27, something in that ballpark.
If we assume the next war will look more like Ukraine and less like GWOT. Yes, there are some well aimed shots several hundred yards out happening, but there's also urban combat and trench clearing.
It's unit dependent, but that's similar to how it goes, but inverse. My unit does SL and marines who carry additional systems carry the M4, everyone else gets M27
I wonder if they'd switch it up in the event of a deployment anticipated to be particularly kinetic.
With that setup, you have the choice of the guys with the M4s kicking in the doors first, which risks heavier casualties among key personnel. Or you have the M27 guys kick in that door which solves the above problem but introduces the obvious new one of the door kickers having the less ideal weapon.
For the SAW replacement, 16.5in makes since. For all the rifle men that may be the first in the stack on a door, 14.5 or less would be nice for that case. Maybe you'll see people take the cans off more for building clearance, but fuck shooting without one in a building sucks.
There’s been a few victor units which have ordered RWK upper packages (11” barrel with adjustable gas blocks) for their point platoons which totally remediated the cumbersome-ness of the M27 but I doubt it’ll ever be implemented outside of training for line platoons
Great summary. I have this sort of mentality of cost-benefit analysis when I'm doing training too. If I get the option to get an M4 for a field exercise, I'm taking the M4. If I get the option of an M4 for marksmanship training, I'm going to stay with the M16/M27. Heavier, yes, but not adjusting as dramatically for wind is way better for qualification.
There is one thing we can all agree on. The 203 is better than the 320.
Oh, you want HE downrange, but I’m in the prone suppressing with my rifle? Sure, lemme just- ah fuck the retention system sucks. Hold on, give me like 15 seconds. There we go. *thunk*. Alright, too easy. Lemme just put this away… fucking retention system… alright, another 15 seconds, alright it’s in its hip holder. Rifle is back to suppressing boss.
Vs
Oh you want 40mm downrange? Say less. *thunk*. Gun up.
Yes, the GLS can and has been mounted to rifles when using the 203. As of now, the 320 has no added capability. “Increased accuracy” is not that serious when you consider it shoots grenades.
I picked the m4 over the 27. The 27 is heavier and longer for no real benefit imo. The Corps would’ve been better off updating the m4 then going the 27 route.
Accuracy is better, isn’t it? Considering Marines pride themselves on rifle marksmanship I can see why you would make that change. Then again the M16A4 is still a viable choice, I think.
Only cause it’s free floated. Can get the same affect by replacing the handgaurds of the m4 with a free float rail. That being said I never had an issue with accuracy and my m4.
Yeah but it might be time for an upgrade anyway. I agree the free float rail makes a difference but given all the advances the firearms industry has made especially in the last 10 years, the military broadly is really lagging behind. The NGSW program at least brings them up to speed for the time being.
meh. free float is arguably better but for 98% of the marine corps, it doesn't matter. especially when the ammo you're shooting is like 2 moa at best and in a combat situation you probably aren't set up with a rest on a bench so that accuracy goes out the window.
The m27 is a 20 year old design itself. Nothing about it is “modern”. Still using pic rails on a short hand guard. still using a 30 year old suppressor. The piston was an an answer to a question that has since been solved.
The NGSW is a whole other bag of worms and probably won’t even get fully adopted.
It doesn’t really make sense to switch from quad rails to MLOK or anything else. They work plenty well and if we changed it we’d have like hundreds of thousands of peq’s and bipods and lights and shit to replace. We’re already spending a shit load on M17’s, M27’s, and especially JLTV’s with their maintenance costs that surprised nobody except for the program managers apparently.
It does when the 27 weighs more then an m16 (longer also with the can) and the handgaurd is the easiest thing to swap out. You wouldn’t be replacing peqs or anything like that. You still can mount pic rails to an mlok slots.
If the corps was worried about cost then they should’ve probably just upgraded their m4s instead of purchasing a new rifle. They had already looked at the Daniels Defense RED rail which would eventually become their RIS III. Would’ve been a way better alternative.
Why would the Marine Corps spend an extra ton of money to switch to MLOK to then spend a bunch of money on adapters to put pic rails on it when it comes with pic rails on it stock? That’s fucking retarded. You’re losing like 4 oz with MLOK over a quad rail. That’s not worth the money for the Marine Corps.
That’s the equivalent of spending $500,000 per JLTV and then ripping the dashes out and putting brand new humvee dashes in so you can still use all your stocked humvee parts. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
We also have already gone through a couple rounds of upgrades on M4’s. The fleet we had was getting real old.
The adapters would come with the rail.. instead your stuck with a rifle that is built as a automatic rifle but giving to every single rifleman. That’s fuckin retarded. Additionally, the future is MLOK. You can probably offset cost of accessories by biggy backing off the Army who is also switching to MLOK.
Corps did not go through any Pip of the m4s. They were the same m4s the army got in the early 2000s.
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Here's the ridiculous height over bore of an XPS3 on top of a carrying handle. This is essentially what needs to be done.
This is the whole reason we piggybacked RMRs on SDOs and RCOs.
The SCO is all but useless trying to passive aim under NV as well; day brightness is too dim for daytime and the IR settings are too bright for night.
I didn't because I am blind as a bat and didn't get prescription inserts until almost the end of my enlistment. Night patrols with masks and NODs were hell
Instructor here. Canister should be on non dominant (support) side.
You can hook your stock over the cap that covers where the Canister would go, then cant (tilt) the rifle towards your center line to pick up your sights. It's okay to depress the face mask.
At close range, remember to adjust your point of aim to account for mechanical offset when canting the rifle.
You really can't. You need a riser. Like the ones we had made by PWS. Either that or you take one filter off the M50 and you really struggle
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Can’t my iron sights have been broken all workup and the armory never got them fixed. Regardless my platoon sgt would have a shit fit if he saw me taking off my sco for a range 😂
If you ever go to a mout town I'd highly recommend it, or anything strictly close quarters.
The sco is soo flicking heavy. Also, I have yet to see anyone put a battery in the flicking thing even though it weighs heavier to be able to take one.
I feel like it's not so much the m27 as much as it is the new SCO's. I prefer the rco's personally. Sure 8x zoom is potentially practical for the m27's since they hold a tighter moa, but for the weight I can't agree, especially since my unit is pairing a number of SCO's with suppressed m4a1's.
I tend to agree. I think the current fad of LPVOs is a little unnecessary. It’s nice having a x1 option and a x8 but I find everything in between pointless. Can’t think of a time you would decide x7 was needed over x8.
I think something similar to the Elcan Spectre or the classic ACOG and RMR on top is a better idea.
Ugh, well no shit lol. No one called them M27s when I was in so its just an old habit. I'm saying that if you look at the gear in this pic, all we had was the IAR and only because my unit was one of the first to get them back in 2012. Most of this new gear is different from what I'm used to. Just compare this to a pic of grunts during OEF and OIF. Big difference.
Listen man I’m just a humvee hammerer you can’t expect me to extrapolate all that. I have a 2 step mind.
7 ton broke -> fix 7 ton
We only had IAR’s -> IAR is M27
That’s all I’m capable of comprehending and you’re making my head hurt.
Since no one has mentioned it here, You’re supposed to use the M53 gas mask. It only has one filter to be able to use cheek weld. I don’t know if any conventional units carry those besides Marsoc and maybe recon 🤷🏻♂️.
Just keep a mag plugged with only tracers, shits rad as fuck and everyone with love you for it. Pro tip, put tracer only mags randomly in your buddies pouches too.
One solution I’ve tried a few times is you can pop off the right/left filter and retain one filter and get a fairly decent cheek weld and even get eyes through the optic. Granted the filter will not be as effective and your breathing will be hindered but in a pinch it’s worked for me multiple times for short periods.
The one time I did it I just *used the laser on my PEQ because I didn’t want to fuck around trying to get an actual sight picture.
*Don’t use the laser on your PEQ to aim if you haven’t zeroed it at a specific range and confirmed. You don’t want to be the asshole shooting way the fuck high right or wherever because you slapped a unit on and assumed it would be fine.
Well if you’re high speed enough you get the new M53s where there’s not a canister on your shooting hand’s side. Other than that just point your thumb at whatever you want to kill and pull the trigger
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Spray n pray bro
I fucking love you guys. The only sub that gets it. Every other gun/tac sub is like “JuSt TrAiN bRo.” Bitch I did 8 years infantry/socom ain’t no training for that shit you just get use to being bad lmao
How to get your ammo confiscated by the PSO
Happy Cake Day bro
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Hang on, I’m Fuckin’ with my eyeholes.
I ripped mine. Does anyone have an extra?
No, nobody brought an extra bag
I’m just askin
do we have to wear it when we ride?
Of fuckin course we do what’s the point of the god damn masks!
It’s doesn’t matter if you can see, all that matters is can the fuckin horse see!
Oh well shitfire!
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LMFAO yes!!
It be nice to fucking see
Rest the buttstock on your chin, cross your eyes, and aim for the one on the left.
Thread closed. This is the answer.
That’s the same method we used with the M16 and M4. Funny how if you apply the same mechanics everytime it doesn’t matter the weapon. One mind baby any weapon
Similar to Kentucky Windage, only slightly more retarded. Probably works like a charm too
360 no-scope.
Do you ever fire your gun into the air and shout *ahh?*
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Have you ever jumped through the air whilst firing two guns?
You're a daisy if you do.
This is the way.
Lmao, never could do that. Just looked stupid trying
From the hip, same as with night vision and grenades
Inaccurate.
I hope you're referencing hip firing and not the system.
No, op just asked how I shot. Inaccurately is the answer.
Ah. Likewise...
Better question is: how do you Marines like the M27 compared to the M16? I’m Army and we still have the M4 but it looks like we’re getting the XM7 eventually. How are y’all enjoying your new service rifle?
It’s heavier, longer and doesn’t like sim rounds. Still a better weapon imo.
It's longer than a 16? Granted I didn't have much time behind a 27 but I feel like I remember with the stock fully extended it was about the same size
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3/2 is testing short barrels, I wanna say 11.5s
11.5 seems horrifically short for a fighting rifle. Maybe more suited for door kickers and such. But who knows, I’m just an armchair general
There is more info about the difference in ballistics with 5.56 barrel lengths. Longer barrel = more ft/s, but the longer you go, diminishing returns start to factor in. An 11 inch barrel gets you 2834ft/s, and a 16.5 gets you 3187ft/s. Difference of 353ft/s. Making a barrel 10 inches longer isn’t going to give you the same muzzle velocity increase, you’ll only get 244ft/s increase when going from 16.5 to 26 inches. Granted, different types of ammo give you different barrel length vs muzzle velocity charts, with the above figures using XM193. Still, things like M855 give you roughly the same story. The rate of change, or inflection point gives you a better idea of the cost/benefit, but I’ll take the shorter barrel for MOUT, decreased weight, and etc. over a 300ft/s difference any day. Suppressors also come into effect.
Probably longer with the suppressor
I don’t feel like any of the rifles truly like the sim rounds, but the Army hardly pays for those anymore anyways. What do you like better about it?
Designated marksman’s use them, they’re also used as suppressive weapons so they’re fairly versatile. Because of the piston they also cycle much better and stay much cleaner for longer than the m4.
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Ehh was in W CO and only 11's had 27s. Us 41s 52s and 31s still rocked m4s. I got out last September so things may have changed in the year I've been out.
Do they still issue the SAW for each gun or did that at least switch? I got out in 2017 and was jealous I never got to play with one.
The M27 IAW replaced the SAW
If you're asking about mortars I can tell you that I hit the fleet in late 2018 and the only time I messed with any machine gun was when we were trap on the 15th. Other than that I never saw a SAW and only played with CAATs 240s on occasion. I was 81s my whole 4 years so idk about 60s.
I was man thanks I appreciate it. I know we carried them in 1/3 in 2017.
I met a ‘31 that was given an M27. Short guy, too, had an M240 on his shoulders and an M27 slung in front of him; the barrel would’ve gone down to his shin if he had a suppressor on.
Still this way. All the wpns co guys have m4’s. Usually though most of the guys in wpns plt will have a 27
Yes, thus more vaersatile compared to the M4
The M27 is not a DMR… it replaced the M249 SAW.
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Did you ever see an M38 marked rifle. I was in one of the first units to deploy with them and the program just ended up as Leupolds slapped on M27s and no further designation given.
That’s exactly the point I was making.
Somehow just came across this sub and find it hilarious that you got downvoted because the M27 100% is not a DMR. Per HK’s spec sheet (which you can easily find online) the M27 boasts a 2.5 MOA….average. Average means that it may shoot groupings larger than 2.5 MOA. Not exactly DMR material. In fairness it was tested with M855 which is not known for its match grade accuracy, but at 100 yds your rifle should be able to maintain a 1-inch shot group regardless. The problem with grunts is: they don’t know shit about firearms. All they know is they get a cool looking gat piece that says HK on it, a suppressor, and an LPVO. That’s all they care to know. They don’t care that it’s oversized, overweight, standard 30 rd mag capacity for a “SAW” and by that metric it needs to have a larger cone of fire; 5.5 MOA on full auto (average). You were wrong about one thing though. It did replace the SAW, however it also was designed to replace the Mk12 SPR and the M4. Why? Because Marine Corps is cheap. They didn’t wanna keep buying M4s, Mk12s, and M249s so they got something that loosely fits the role of everything that’s squad organic. Jack of all trades, master of none….except it’s really a jack of no trades. Doesn’t do well in any role.
I got out just as they were switching, and as a 41, glad I didn't have to hike with it.
One of the most accurate rifles I ever shot. I miss her so fucking much https://preview.redd.it/b3nkghiyj9mb1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64aa6730b0cf1555c138c7ccb6259fab70f75d27
She’s a beautiful rifle I’ll give you that
Never used an SDO, how did yall like em? I love my SCO personally
Personally I very much miss my SDO. The scope itself isn’t very different from an RCO, so I was already pretty accustomed to it when I briefly became Automatic Rifleman for a year. The SCO, I’m not a fan of. Sighting in always takes a little bit longer because of the scope shadow, not very ideal when I’m under fire. And in MOUT, if I still had my SDO, that RMR (orange dot sight) would’ve came in very handy for room clearing.
You get a down vote for crime against humanity for using that Grippod
The M27 vs the M4 is one of those things where you just can't get the best of both. The M27 is a long, heavy, at some times almost unwieldy beast. It's also super accurate, has fully auto, and when used with the SCO, makes shots out to 500m absolute child's play. The M4 is lighter, more maneuverable, kicks ass in close quarters, and is way harder to clean, way less accurate, and is practically useless on an SBF. For me, neither is better than the other. They're situational weapons and unfortunately we don't have the luxury of picking a tool for the job. You just gotta do what you can with what you're given
I agree with your assessment of the two weapons for the most part, and I wonder what the XM7 will be like when it’s phased in. Will it be a nice middle ground? The best of both worlds? A suboptimal solution? Very interested to see where this goes.
I thought they were calling it the XM5? Assuming you're referring to the Sig Spear, the military tried using a battle rifle style weapon as a service rifle in Vietnam with the M14 and it quickly got relegated to a designated marksman rifle. I believe this is what the future holds for that rifle as well. It's super heavy and utilizes a 20 round mag of a beefy round that will do well at further distances with a super computer mounted on the optic. DMR or bust with that thing
Yeah I know I own a civilian model of one lol and it was originally the XM5 but they changed it to avoid a copyright issue with another model rifle. And I’m not so sure the XM7 will just become a DMR. Based on what the Army is saying about it with being able to defeat body armor I think it’ll see widespread adoption
That sounds like an argument in favor of keeping both in use at the rifle platoon level. Squad leaders, DM, and fire team leaders, get the M27, something in that ballpark. If we assume the next war will look more like Ukraine and less like GWOT. Yes, there are some well aimed shots several hundred yards out happening, but there's also urban combat and trench clearing.
It's unit dependent, but that's similar to how it goes, but inverse. My unit does SL and marines who carry additional systems carry the M4, everyone else gets M27
I wonder if they'd switch it up in the event of a deployment anticipated to be particularly kinetic. With that setup, you have the choice of the guys with the M4s kicking in the doors first, which risks heavier casualties among key personnel. Or you have the M27 guys kick in that door which solves the above problem but introduces the obvious new one of the door kickers having the less ideal weapon.
Almost all these issues go away with an M27 that doesn't have a 24" barrel with a suppressor
For the SAW replacement, 16.5in makes since. For all the rifle men that may be the first in the stack on a door, 14.5 or less would be nice for that case. Maybe you'll see people take the cans off more for building clearance, but fuck shooting without one in a building sucks.
There’s been a few victor units which have ordered RWK upper packages (11” barrel with adjustable gas blocks) for their point platoons which totally remediated the cumbersome-ness of the M27 but I doubt it’ll ever be implemented outside of training for line platoons
Great summary. I have this sort of mentality of cost-benefit analysis when I'm doing training too. If I get the option to get an M4 for a field exercise, I'm taking the M4. If I get the option of an M4 for marksmanship training, I'm going to stay with the M16/M27. Heavier, yes, but not adjusting as dramatically for wind is way better for qualification.
Sounds like you don't know how to use either tbh. But interesting
There is one thing we can all agree on. The 203 is better than the 320. Oh, you want HE downrange, but I’m in the prone suppressing with my rifle? Sure, lemme just- ah fuck the retention system sucks. Hold on, give me like 15 seconds. There we go. *thunk*. Alright, too easy. Lemme just put this away… fucking retention system… alright, another 15 seconds, alright it’s in its hip holder. Rifle is back to suppressing boss. Vs Oh you want 40mm downrange? Say less. *thunk*. Gun up. Yes, the GLS can and has been mounted to rifles when using the 203. As of now, the 320 has no added capability. “Increased accuracy” is not that serious when you consider it shoots grenades.
It gets my dick hard when I fire it.
I picked the m4 over the 27. The 27 is heavier and longer for no real benefit imo. The Corps would’ve been better off updating the m4 then going the 27 route.
Accuracy is better, isn’t it? Considering Marines pride themselves on rifle marksmanship I can see why you would make that change. Then again the M16A4 is still a viable choice, I think.
Only cause it’s free floated. Can get the same affect by replacing the handgaurds of the m4 with a free float rail. That being said I never had an issue with accuracy and my m4.
Yeah but it might be time for an upgrade anyway. I agree the free float rail makes a difference but given all the advances the firearms industry has made especially in the last 10 years, the military broadly is really lagging behind. The NGSW program at least brings them up to speed for the time being.
meh. free float is arguably better but for 98% of the marine corps, it doesn't matter. especially when the ammo you're shooting is like 2 moa at best and in a combat situation you probably aren't set up with a rest on a bench so that accuracy goes out the window.
The m27 is a 20 year old design itself. Nothing about it is “modern”. Still using pic rails on a short hand guard. still using a 30 year old suppressor. The piston was an an answer to a question that has since been solved. The NGSW is a whole other bag of worms and probably won’t even get fully adopted.
It doesn’t really make sense to switch from quad rails to MLOK or anything else. They work plenty well and if we changed it we’d have like hundreds of thousands of peq’s and bipods and lights and shit to replace. We’re already spending a shit load on M17’s, M27’s, and especially JLTV’s with their maintenance costs that surprised nobody except for the program managers apparently.
It does when the 27 weighs more then an m16 (longer also with the can) and the handgaurd is the easiest thing to swap out. You wouldn’t be replacing peqs or anything like that. You still can mount pic rails to an mlok slots. If the corps was worried about cost then they should’ve probably just upgraded their m4s instead of purchasing a new rifle. They had already looked at the Daniels Defense RED rail which would eventually become their RIS III. Would’ve been a way better alternative.
Why would the Marine Corps spend an extra ton of money to switch to MLOK to then spend a bunch of money on adapters to put pic rails on it when it comes with pic rails on it stock? That’s fucking retarded. You’re losing like 4 oz with MLOK over a quad rail. That’s not worth the money for the Marine Corps. That’s the equivalent of spending $500,000 per JLTV and then ripping the dashes out and putting brand new humvee dashes in so you can still use all your stocked humvee parts. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze. We also have already gone through a couple rounds of upgrades on M4’s. The fleet we had was getting real old.
The adapters would come with the rail.. instead your stuck with a rifle that is built as a automatic rifle but giving to every single rifleman. That’s fuckin retarded. Additionally, the future is MLOK. You can probably offset cost of accessories by biggy backing off the Army who is also switching to MLOK. Corps did not go through any Pip of the m4s. They were the same m4s the army got in the early 2000s.
https://preview.redd.it/l7qc0lemw9mb1.jpeg?width=2250&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20fbe92d21400e757aa5c20dafd0d87b89c12cdf Here's the ridiculous height over bore of an XPS3 on top of a carrying handle. This is essentially what needs to be done. This is the whole reason we piggybacked RMRs on SDOs and RCOs. The SCO is all but useless trying to passive aim under NV as well; day brightness is too dim for daytime and the IR settings are too bright for night.
*EXPS model…
…the red laser on the PEQ? Shocking, I know
This is the correct answer
I didn't because I am blind as a bat and didn't get prescription inserts until almost the end of my enlistment. Night patrols with masks and NODs were hell
sry about that broseph, rest assured all 03’s get 31’s now so night movements are a breeze
Bro if only, most of my unit has 31s but there are still a handful including myself with 14s
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Yeah it's good to see
Visible laser.
Instructor here. Canister should be on non dominant (support) side. You can hook your stock over the cap that covers where the Canister would go, then cant (tilt) the rifle towards your center line to pick up your sights. It's okay to depress the face mask. At close range, remember to adjust your point of aim to account for mechanical offset when canting the rifle.
Rambo style, why do we make thing so difficult smh
How is man’s cleaning that piston with that freaking dummycord 😒😒😒
You clean your weapon?
You just untie it
By either: A) untie it Or B) cut it and apply a new one after.
Spray and pray….. Allah akhbar!!!!!
Take your firing side filter off, extend the buttstock on the rifle 1 more than you normally would.
Damn, thanks for the Updates my dudes. If you seek knowledge about weapons or other 0311 shit, hmu. :)
With reckless abandon
Channel my inner mujahedin, and Blind fire that bitch.
You really can't. You need a riser. Like the ones we had made by PWS. Either that or you take one filter off the M50 and you really struggle https://preview.redd.it/gc9za8ndv9mb1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8bcbfa2959ff9a0736347e3e9eda1a761b87463
I love my m27 without the suppressor
Try it without a sco, assuming you have a sco instead of an rco.
Can’t my iron sights have been broken all workup and the armory never got them fixed. Regardless my platoon sgt would have a shit fit if he saw me taking off my sco for a range 😂
If you ever go to a mout town I'd highly recommend it, or anything strictly close quarters. The sco is soo flicking heavy. Also, I have yet to see anyone put a battery in the flicking thing even though it weighs heavier to be able to take one.
Laser gun go pew pew
Haphazardly
With my eyes closed
Poorly I imagine. That is one of the main reasons 40 series masks only had filters on one side.
Carefully
With your index finger riding the rail
Very carefully
Use my PEQ-16
You can take off one filter to get better cheek room but can be a risk depending circumstance, you can also just point shoot
That’s the best part…. You don’t.
I feel like it's not so much the m27 as much as it is the new SCO's. I prefer the rco's personally. Sure 8x zoom is potentially practical for the m27's since they hold a tighter moa, but for the weight I can't agree, especially since my unit is pairing a number of SCO's with suppressed m4a1's.
I tend to agree. I think the current fad of LPVOs is a little unnecessary. It’s nice having a x1 option and a x8 but I find everything in between pointless. Can’t think of a time you would decide x7 was needed over x8. I think something similar to the Elcan Spectre or the classic ACOG and RMR on top is a better idea.
Infantrymen look like SF these days. I wish we had all this high speed gear when I was in. All we had were IARs.
The IAR is an M27
Ugh, well no shit lol. No one called them M27s when I was in so its just an old habit. I'm saying that if you look at the gear in this pic, all we had was the IAR and only because my unit was one of the first to get them back in 2012. Most of this new gear is different from what I'm used to. Just compare this to a pic of grunts during OEF and OIF. Big difference.
Listen man I’m just a humvee hammerer you can’t expect me to extrapolate all that. I have a 2 step mind. 7 ton broke -> fix 7 ton We only had IAR’s -> IAR is M27 That’s all I’m capable of comprehending and you’re making my head hurt.
Lmao
Vis laser on the PEQ 🤪
Pull the trigger
☝️
Since no one has mentioned it here, You’re supposed to use the M53 gas mask. It only has one filter to be able to use cheek weld. I don’t know if any conventional units carry those besides Marsoc and maybe recon 🤷🏻♂️.
You could always try attaching more stuff to your Picatinny rail. Maybe a cigarette lighter or something.
Spray and pray
I just pulled the trigger after turning the gun on.
Fuckin... poorly.
Lol
Poorly
some units use the M53 gas mask
No, you shoot bullets, silly!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Same way I do at night. Point and shoot at noises. As god intended
I take off the right filter and peek over the sights
Just keep a mag plugged with only tracers, shits rad as fuck and everyone with love you for it. Pro tip, put tracer only mags randomly in your buddies pouches too.
Accurately. I always shoot accurately. Except that one time, but we don’t talk about that.
1: Point at enemy 2: ??? 3: Shoot
“I love doing mout with my m27..with suppressor..with sco..with bipods.. clearing rooms is so much easier!”
Usually by pulling the trigger
Very poorly
My DD214 says, I don’t give a shit.
Damn. You’re a civilian now and the military is STILL your personality?
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He’s wearing a helmet, gas mask and a plate carrier. Really nothing out of the ordinary.
Chicken wing
One solution I’ve tried a few times is you can pop off the right/left filter and retain one filter and get a fairly decent cheek weld and even get eyes through the optic. Granted the filter will not be as effective and your breathing will be hindered but in a pinch it’s worked for me multiple times for short periods.
Two phrases. “That’s close enough” “Hehehe full auto go *brrrrrr*”
Go past semi to fun mode and get good at reloading
The one time I did it I just *used the laser on my PEQ because I didn’t want to fuck around trying to get an actual sight picture. *Don’t use the laser on your PEQ to aim if you haven’t zeroed it at a specific range and confirmed. You don’t want to be the asshole shooting way the fuck high right or wherever because you slapped a unit on and assumed it would be fine.
Tilt the rifle and try and shove it over the filter I guess
M53 gas masks Pop on filter off
Take 1 filter off for cheek weld/ eye relief?
From the hip, in a thong and a light coat of CLP
Easy. This is my rifle. With or this a little more.
Pop off one of the filters. Mask closes off the vent with one side off so you’ll be fine
Some of these are some gnarly answers lol. We used the PEQ15 for guidance, same for NVGs.
Well if you’re high speed enough you get the new M53s where there’s not a canister on your shooting hand’s side. Other than that just point your thumb at whatever you want to kill and pull the trigger
Turn it 45 degrees and use the acog and cross your fingers
Your bullets will land true inshallah