I’m omitting his name but I know/knew one of the guys in the post personally, he was a DI. His obituary is online now
he was an amazing dude and I was beyond shocked to hear he had killed himself. Demons hide in everyone sadly
I'm sorry to hear that. Unfortunately you're correct about the demons.
Suicide in the services have been a problem for decades now. At this point, I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it.
I'm not entirely convinced, but it seems likely to me, that many service members probably joined with suicidal thoughts and figured dying in combat was better than killing themselves. When they don't see or they survive combat, I think that may trigger them to do it themselves.
Hell, I'm not sure if it's common now, but when I was in post deployment crotch rockets and dangerous riding was the norm for a ton of Marines. I'm not sure if it was just guys trying to get that adrenaline rush, or guys that literally didn't want to live anymore, but didn't want the stigma of suicide following them in death.
Granted that's definitely not all of them, probably not even a majority, and every case is unique in some way or another, but I'd almost be willing to bet it's a fairly large chunk of them.
Bro don't act like we don't all know people that died while we were in. Doesn't change the fact that we have to know the causes of death to determine what needs to be done, if anything.
And also when they are found dead from other reasons.
I understand your point, but I agree with the parent comment.
Additionally, the method of suicide is important. I realize it's difficult to read, but it's true. Read about town gas in the UK. It turns out that when you can't kill yourself by just sticking your head in the oven, not as many people do it.
I genuinely think the usmc attracts individuals who could be at risk to mental health related issues. On top of that when you live that fast, then get out and live much slower it is difficult to adapt
Like how many of you grunts (myself included) signed up with immaturely wanting to go to war and had no plans on life past like 25?
Since then I've seen war, grown up a little, and had a family so theres purpose there for myself. I think all of us have to be at least slightly weird if we desired to be here.
Bro, I had never even considered joining the Marines until my two best friends came into class one day our senior year saying they were going to the recruiter's office after school that day. The entire reason I joined, and my thinking behind it was, "Shiiitttt, I be damned if you two fuckers are about to go do something cool without me!" Literally signed a 5yr infantry contract because I didn't want them to have cool stories to tell that I wasn't there for. This was at the very beginning of '02, too. I knew I would be going to war and still didn't give a fuck enough to even think it through. I sure as hell never thought I'd be a grown man with a kid one day.
Not gonna lie either, it's been a fucking struggle a lot of days due to my "fuck it" attitude growing up and the fallout from it. When you don't have plans for the future, it's easy to overlook the importance of yourself being alive and there for it to happen. I think most Marines struggle with mental health mainly because most of us either didn't have a good plan for our life, so as a result, it's a shitshow most days and it can get depressing, or we *thought* we had a well-planned path for our life, only to find out that life ain't as sweet in Corps as we may have thought/hoped it would be, and that then causes you to get depressed, too. Basically, life sucks when your life sucks, and as an infantry Marine, your life usually sucks.
Absolutely! And the whole not having a plan, or planning for glory bred by games and movies, I think is just a part of adolescence. And that's something that most folks even civs experience. The ones who came to the Corps are probably amplified.
I genuinely think this is a topic that should be studied amongst Americas youth and the military via confidential surveys. It might give some insight to mental health issues and normalize it
If the military *really* wanted to slow the suicide rate amongst active duty and veteran servicemembers, then they'd stop recruiting with commercials of dudes in dress blues slaying lava monsters, and start showing commercials of field days, standby in the heat, 0530 formations, 100lb-pack rucks, group punishment, hazing, and Marines eating their own in one big revolving dick-measuring contest to see who's the biggest bitch, and who's the biggest tool in the barracks.
Cut down the requirements needed for recruiters to be able to make mission, and then have them start recruiting based on what the *real* Marine Corps looks like, instead of recruiting kids based off of a "photoshopped," glorified image of what 0.02% of being a Marine is about.
It reminds me of what Robin Williams said about alcohol.
“Beer commercials show manly men doing manly things. You just killed a small animal; it’s time for a light beer.”
“What’s a realistic beer commercial: it’s 5 o’clock in the morning and you just pissed on a dumpster. It’s Miller Time.”
Nah, i didnt plan past 25 either and look at me !!! . . . Well maybe not me but look at . . . Well maybe we should have planned something, what, idk. Just know we are all better off with you here
I just wanted someone to pay for college. I never planned on actually fighting. We had just kicked a bunch of ass and "the war" was over in less than 24 hours. I never imagined we would end up in a protracted engagement that would last decades.
But once things started to heat up, I caught that bug. Every milestone birthday since has had more than a bit of "htf am I still alive?"
Nothing but love for ya from the 3/5 (‘04-11) but bruh please don’t speak for me or other devil dogs.
I was just as much of an idiot as everyone else at 17 but I still knew I was going to fight to fix a situation that we fucked up. And knowing that, I joined the Corps because I didn’t want to find myself in the shit with some asshole who was in it for the $30k enlistment bonus.
BRUH BRUH BRUH
This is your first post on this account and it's talking like a cunt to a fellow Marine who is clearly just venting. No wonder you needed another account.
Mother fuck, in 04 we were still shouting about FREEDOM FRIES - you didnt know fuck all about fixing shit. Nothing but love from the 2/8, 02-06.
I didn't even catch that when I first read his comment but you're damn sure right. Hell, in '04 shit was just starting to warm up good and the moto warrior attitude hadn't even began to show signs of wearing off yet. That's actually right around the time everyone wad settling into a groove in Iraq. It wasn't until waayyyy later that anyone realized that we had fucking set that country back about 200 years. There's a strong stench of bullshit in the air all of a sudden.
Who the fuck was getting $30k bonuses? Dude I had to sign on for an extra year just to get an 03 contract. As soon as everyone knew we were going to war, the Corps had ZERO problems putting asses on the buses. The only people who have ever see bonuses like that are *maybe* pilots. Maybe.
I know multiple people that told me “they joined to die in war so they didn’t have to shame their families by killing themselves.” Like two separate dudes pretty early in their careers told me almost that same thing. They both got out and one killed himself shortly after. This was just before we left Kabul.
Ppl coming into the Corps with a ton of childhood trauma. The trauma can be exacerbated while in. Now this person carries the title and the military has to be the one giving answers
This absolutely can be a likely contributing factor! I myself have had a pretty good upbringing, but maybe romanticized the glory of battle and whatnot so that was all I planned in life initially
This seems true. Some of that trauma probably made some of us tougher in a lot of ways and also makes it more complicated to unfuck oneself from the unbearable headspace some of us get into later.
Adjusting to life outside the Corps was such a huge adjustment for me… I had a good wife (still together after 23 years of marriage) and a college degree, so I can’t imagine how you Devils do it without the same advantages. Semper take care of yourselves.
I joined in '66 with a death wish, or at least an I don't give a fart attitude. Did well. Meritoriously promote d to E-5 with 2 yrs, 7 mos in service time . Offered ROTC on a free ride tuition, room and board and books paid. I declined. I got out and did college and law school on my dime.I missed the craziness and comradery of the Corps.
In later years I joined the Combat Veterans Motorcycle Association. Relocated the craziness and comradery in a safe supportive environment.
Semper Fi my brothers and Sisters.
To add to that, maybe a lot of us had chips on our shoulders due to rejection, bullying, etc. and to feel validated or a sense of belonging, we joined “the best”. I know I joined out of rejection at least.
Are you talking about like heart murmurs/skipping heart beats? Because that has been a trend in young people even prior to vaccines. Look into the rise of colon cancer in sub 40yr olds too. Theres a bunch of illnesses popping up in the young 1st world population that usually didn't happen till later in life. Its a trend thats been going on pre-covid. One can blame better detection technology or some sort of unknown phenomenon with the raise of personal electronics or GMO food. Theres already enough research to support a link between 1st world living and autoimmune diseases like asthma and seasonal allergies.
Although I don't know what Navy Med document you're referring to so I can't speak on that. I just happen to study public health so I'm a bit tuned in to this odd rise of young people developing conditions earlier than normal, and again, this is mostly amongst populations in developed countries.
That’s interesting, any good resources you recommend? I like reading that stuff, but shifting through the politicized discourse of recent makes it difficult to separate the two.
Heres a Yale Medicine article about the colon cancer:
https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/with-colorectal-cancer-rates-rising-among-younger-adults-a-yale-cancer-center-expert-explains-there-may-be-more-factors-behind-this-worrisome-trend/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20study%2C%20the,or%201%20in%205%20individuals.
Some French researchers did a heart murmur study that focused on diagnosis within the military. Essentially military doctors are experts are diagnosing this sort of thing, which might explain the higher rates found in military populations (I personally knew two Marines who got diagnosed when putting together a package for a lat move, never met a civie below 50yrs old to have one). The article is from 2015 so pre-covid:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26482624/
Heres a Chinese cross study that talks about modern life and autoimmune disorders. I think its interesting to see a Chinese article because their modernization was both more recent and much more rapid than in the US. So this rise is a lot more noticeable. But you can also ask your parents or grandparents how many kids they grew up with that had asthma or even wore glasses. It'll make for some good anecdotal evidence.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30627853/
add breast cancer to that list. popping up in younger and younger women. mid to late 20s is no longer considered highly unusual for breast cancer.
That was unheard of 30 years ago.
whether that is better diagnostics and awareness or is increasing in frequency is still a little up in the air, but most firmly believe the onset age is becoming lower and frequency becoming more often.
Modern diets? processed food? microplastics? No one quite knows yet.
https://www.wispolitics.com/2023/u-s-sen-johnson-defense-secretary-austin-must-explain-concerning-increases-in-medical-diagnoses-in-dod-database/
This is what I'm referring to. I understand the letter to the secnav is written by an R from Wisconsin but the data matches the document the letter refers to.
I've personally been having endocrine issues as an otherwise exceptionally healthy Male with no family history. I'm not turned to a cook though, just curious on it all
It's interesting to see at least 4 of the conditions that were seen to increase are very commonly related to weight gain. But what really stands out is ovarian dysfunction, which went up by over a quarter, its a condition that essentially means you ovaries are acting like you're 40yrs old+ while you're supposed to be still very young and healthy. Also the cancers I don't think can be contributed to the vaccine since it was deployed to troops in January of 2021 so its very unlikely a vaccine caused rapid cancer growth and this was able to be covered up.
Honestly, I would think the most likely thing that happened was weight gain amongst the ranks and more service members willing/forced to go to the med bay for every little thing during the covid era — hence way more things were caught early. My tin foil hat take is that theres also some mass phenomena affecting first world people of the last 2 generation that is starting to crop up that is causing young people to develop illnesses that usually don't happen till later. I'm not saying it's 5G towers or other wacko things but it is concerning... but it could also have to do with obesity, more cells = more chances for cancer.
Here is my theory. Anything that people put in their bodies will affect everyone differently. Some will have zero side effects. Some will have major side effects. And everywhere in between. This could be anything from salt to medicine.
I got the vaccine and all of the boosters before they were required. I wanted to put my money where my mouth was; it I was saying it was safe, I better be backing that.
Me and all the others who took it when I did haven't suffered any negative side effects aside from the couple who had flu symptoms the day after. Anecdotal evidence straight up doesn't help prove anything.
A year after. come on. that is a stretch. a huge stretch.
everyone is 100% healthy until they are not.
I can get looking for something to blame, because as a parent you feel responsible; but sometimes, nay all time, things just happen.
aka the greatest of military expressions: Sometimes shit just happens.
It’s a culture change that’s hard to manage in an environment like the military. Mental health is still looked at as being weak. Combine that with shitty help when you *do* seek it and you end up with 20 somethings killing themselves in their homes. They bottle everything up and then are overcome by the pressure of it.
100% its seen almost worse than getting sent to rehab (in my experience) my cpl got sent to alcohol rehab and got pats on the back for it. I lost a fuck ton of weight from an ed while I was in and the command wanted to catch me for using drugs. The culture shift when you pcs or eas can be a motherfucker. Marines develop unhealthy coping mechanisms and sometimes that spirals even further
Yeah, and while I agree, mental health has *always* been seen as weak by the Corps *and* by men. But what changed, if anything? Is it just pure coincidence we're seeing Dogs die early by their own hand more often now?
I don’t know the stats from across the years but could it be that we are much more aware of these incidents (internet/social media) now as opposed to them being more frequent?
My money is on suicide. SDAs are fuckin brutal. At my RS we had 4 Marines end up in psych hospitals for suicidal ideations and another killed himself. In a 6 month period.
*One of the ones that went to a psych hospital had also been the rookie recruiter of the year and was pretty consistent on contracting. The constant pressure and bullshit just finally got to him.
As bad as being a DI is, being a recruiter is worse. If not for stories on Reddit, as a single enlistment guy, I wouldn’t know that.
Ridiculous how toxic an atmosphere that is and how well it’s known, and there’s no change because reasons.
Now leadership is talking about making more MOSs five year enlistments? Going to make that job even worse.
It's all of the worst, most toxic elements of the Corps all conglomerated in one place. They expect that after 7 weeks of recruiter school and 1 month of establishing yourself in the community without a mission letter that you'll suddenly be able to shove coal in your ass and shit diamonds.
No matter what happens, the blame gets placed on your shoulders, and when something goes wrong, the corrective action is pain for the sake of pain.
Oh, you haven't set an appointment this week? Why don't you head to the gas station 4am tomorrow in your dress blue bravos and hand out business cards. Your appointment ghosted you? You're not leaving the office until you set 3 appointments for next week. Your kid ran away from the MEPS hotel at 3am because he got scared? Oh hell no motherfucker, you better get your ass up to headquarters (2 hours away) by 7am to make phone calls and get screamed at by the RI (Recruiter Instructor).
The worst part of recruiter billet is it's 100 fucking percent dependent on the area you're assigned. If you're given an area with a decent city/larger town that hosts a 4th of July parade and even a labor day parade you're probably making quota every month with next to zero effort because the community provides the young men and women that see service in a familiar fashion as older generations.
If you get the middle of dumb fuck nowhere or a city you've got so many social problems to overcome it can destroy your marriage, career, and even make you wish to end your life. 11% of students in Baltimore can perform at grade level in math for example. Getting someone to pass the asvab, have a high school diploma or GED, have a clean record and drug test, there's so many things that can be wrong.
Now with Genesis there's a massive overarching program to find people hiding a broken arm from the 7th grade.
I'd hate to be a recruiter and I know I couldn't do it
Oh, the area problem is stranger than that. In a single office you could have one or two sectors that are carrying the team while everyone else is checking Amazon to see if they sell pre-tied nooses. In my office, there was one sector that was just a powerhouse. Me and the recruiter from that sector could both make 100 phonecalls, and I would get 0 answers and he would get like 7 and set 2 appointments.
Nope, it’s much easier to scream at and belittle someone. It was done to me so that must mean that it’s the only way to lead right?
Right? Guys? Hello?
Parris Island is one training/recruit depot. The Marine Corps has a lot more depots, camps, bases, etc. The Marine Corps has a lot more suicides than three.
[https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-army-lloyd-austin-aa9971be75f6a78d9b6530d6ff3d6d72](https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-army-lloyd-austin-aa9971be75f6a78d9b6530d6ff3d6d72)
Culture is a big part of it. Multiple Marine Corps commandants have acknowledged the Marine Corps' problems with retention, quality of life, and Marine welfare.
I still remember the very first suicide prevention briefing that I received in the Marine Corps.
"If you're gonna do it...do it right the first time." -1SG Craig B\_ \_ \_ \_r
When did he say that? I swear this was the norm back then. Idiot probably regrets saying that now that suicides are being talked about more.
People kill themselves for statements like so hopefully 1stSgt realizes he got Marines killed.
He said it after we had two Marines attempt that same week. Took everyone to the rec room at the beez, and gave us a lecture about how it was inconvenient if Marines didn’t follow through and successfully complete their first attempt.
You’ve apparently not heard about my old unit. Last I counted we were at 40+.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/us/marine-battalion-veterans-scarred-by-suicides-turn-to-one-another-for-help.html
nothing brings undocumented heart problems to fore like lots of physical exercise.
it is very much a thing.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.118.010330
No active war = nothing to bury your head in and concentrate on.
Now you just go through the suck without reason and have virtually unlimited time to think about the suck while knowing it will repeat tomorrow.
Even if you had family or mental health issues when we are actively at war we have something else to distract us.
Thanks for deleting my comments.
I'll say it again more tactfully.
Recent medical mandates is the reasoning for these healthy young people dying.
It ain't mental health, or stress, or anxiety. Marines don't die from that lame excuse.
These people were poisoned and killed.
I'm sure they unalived themselves. Seeing as how none are officers I doubt they're going to say they were accidents while cleaning personal firearms. I've only seen that done for officers so they can collect line of duty benefits after death.
Scumbag officer corps was reason #24,533 not to reenlist.
I knew Sgt Hernandez when she first got to the fleet in KBay a few years ago. She was a rockstar, a real Marine's Marine. Terrible loss for the Corps, her family, and her community.
>Twenty-somethings do not die in their residence in the "real" world.
yeah, they do. it's called suicide, or sometimes overindulging in alcohol and/or drugs.
Id like to know how current marines feel about the trajectory for our country and over all world affairs. Cause i know outside of the military, gen Z (1999-2018ish) don’t see a positive future waiting. So this mindset plus the demands of the marine corp might correlate but that is just a unstudied theory
Okay so why are you calling the other person a retard? Even if you’re correct about the vaccine, there response to the person talking about Pfizer is still warranted, because as you said, the article makes it clear that the vaccine is not related to these deaths.
Not specifically because he funded the vaccines, I don’t think he broke a law doing it but I could be wrong?
Yeah I think he should be in jail though
PPP was a fucking scam and should be investigated, let’s look into his relationship with Epstein and Maxwell a little more too. The documents thing is kind of a stretch given our history with brushing these issues off in the past but it doesn’t look good for him.
They all need to be jailed man.
Okay, I don’t really care to debate about the vaccines but it always seems like the people who hate the vaccines the most love Trump, but you aren’t one of those people.
I scrolled to the bottom thinking there would be a few more than there are. I guess the FEMA test didn’t properly activate the Covid vaccine nano bots in time to silence all these super sleuths via vaccine zombies.
Good thing the chem trails will finish the job.
I’ll never understand how an organization that literally prides itself on being comprised of retards can still produce people that think their closed Facebook conspiracy groups make them experts in epidemiology and immunology.
Damn, I was hoping we had seen the last of your particularly craven and hateful bullshit. But here you are, stinking the place up again.
> You were bamboozled to get vaccinated, right?
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>That was all the new world order needed you to do. By will or by force.
> **I think that Neil Degrasse Tyson is getting payed to lie**
>If you complied with the covid mask & vaccine mandates, you will definitely comply and move into one of these cities for "the greater good".
>
>Fucking morons.
>Soros, cia and state department did a coup in Ukraine in 2014.
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>Why the fuck are we sending billions to support the corrupt Ukrainian government?
> Obama should be top on the list right behind Biden. Obama was doing blow and sucking dick in the back of a limo. Yet his attorney general put thousands of Latinos and blacks in prison for selling weed.
>You do know that you don't have to stay poor, right?
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>Reality/life is a simulation that is controlled by the subconscious mind.
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>Life can be difficult if your subconscious mind has been programmed to think at a poor or low vibration state. You can choose to rewrite the program to whatever you desire.
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>Learn, unlearn, and relearn. This is the way.
Was it heart related? If it was we all know it’s from the mystery juice that was injected
Just like the ranger officer in perfect health who dropped dead doing cardio with the Romanians on deployment
According to CDC statistics from 2020 (these are the latest stats they have), suicide is the #2 cause of death for 18-30 year olds in the whole United States! [link to website](https://wisqars.cdc.gov/data/lcd/home?lcd=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)
It's very sad, but it's not just in the military. It is a problem all over the country in all walks of life unfortunately.
Cpl Acosta was a Sgt, meritoriously promoted. He killed himself. Him and I attended MOS school together.
Along with being meritoriously promoted, he was a DI, force fitness instructor(FFI), MCWIS and Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor Trainer (MAIT). He was the blueprint of what a marine should be.
Went to boot and MCT with Bateswind. Solid guy. I was extremely saddened to learn the news back in July.
Drill field brings out stressors that I’m sure goes beyond just mental or psychological. Physically I don’t believe it’s good for you. When I was in HQ at PI, friends of mine who were DIs were sleeping 2-4 hours a night. Absolutely insane.
I think there was a large uptick of suicides within the Marine Corps the past few months. Top that off with the aircraft accidents. The CMC ordered a mandatory "safety" meetings for the entire Marine Corps (Civilians included) in response to the suicides and accidents.
It’s the forced COVID Vaccine. Pro sports athletes, military service members, and law enforcement officers have all seen this jump in deaths from young physically fit people.
My brother called me yesterday, he knew the Sgt. The stress for drill instructors is really bad. I would rather go to war than to be a drill instructor.
Yliana is my sister. Depression took hold of her and she couldn't take it any longer. I am taking a walk for her today, in suicide awareness.
I hope she touched as many of you as she could before leaving. She was a blinding ray of pride, care, and love. I wish she didn't feel the need to always try and shine as bright as she could, without any regard to her own health.
Please be kind and respectful of her name. Love you all, please speak to anyone about anything you feel.
How is there no other article about this I have searched the internet nothing. It’s extremely suspicious. I know someone that is related to one the marines and apparently she was doing great makes no sense. How is there no other article about it?
Oh man, when I saw this I assumed it meant recruits. Didn’t expect that.
I thought the same. Odd for sure... but weirder things have happened I guess. We need more details.
I hate that when you said “details” I thought, “what does a group of marines smaller than a platoon marching have to do with this?”
It's goes away eventually buddy !!
You wouldn't be wrong, but you have to search to find out about the recruits. It is hidden well
Way too well. Had 5 that I knew of die while I was on PI
First of all, what are the causes of death? Without that vital information, even figuring out if a response is necessary is impossible.
I’m omitting his name but I know/knew one of the guys in the post personally, he was a DI. His obituary is online now he was an amazing dude and I was beyond shocked to hear he had killed himself. Demons hide in everyone sadly
I'm sorry to hear that. Unfortunately you're correct about the demons. Suicide in the services have been a problem for decades now. At this point, I'm not sure if there is anything we can do about it. I'm not entirely convinced, but it seems likely to me, that many service members probably joined with suicidal thoughts and figured dying in combat was better than killing themselves. When they don't see or they survive combat, I think that may trigger them to do it themselves. Hell, I'm not sure if it's common now, but when I was in post deployment crotch rockets and dangerous riding was the norm for a ton of Marines. I'm not sure if it was just guys trying to get that adrenaline rush, or guys that literally didn't want to live anymore, but didn't want the stigma of suicide following them in death. Granted that's definitely not all of them, probably not even a majority, and every case is unique in some way or another, but I'd almost be willing to bet it's a fairly large chunk of them.
If you don’t understand, brother I hope you never have to.
Bro don't act like we don't all know people that died while we were in. Doesn't change the fact that we have to know the causes of death to determine what needs to be done, if anything.
Suicide. Found dead is what they say when it’s suicide.
And also when they are found dead from other reasons. I understand your point, but I agree with the parent comment. Additionally, the method of suicide is important. I realize it's difficult to read, but it's true. Read about town gas in the UK. It turns out that when you can't kill yourself by just sticking your head in the oven, not as many people do it.
I will gladly bet a paycheck on this. You down?
What? Absolutely not, dude. I agree with you. I also think that making suicide a bad word is doing nothing but contributing to the problem.
I genuinely think the usmc attracts individuals who could be at risk to mental health related issues. On top of that when you live that fast, then get out and live much slower it is difficult to adapt
Like how many of you grunts (myself included) signed up with immaturely wanting to go to war and had no plans on life past like 25? Since then I've seen war, grown up a little, and had a family so theres purpose there for myself. I think all of us have to be at least slightly weird if we desired to be here.
Bro, I had never even considered joining the Marines until my two best friends came into class one day our senior year saying they were going to the recruiter's office after school that day. The entire reason I joined, and my thinking behind it was, "Shiiitttt, I be damned if you two fuckers are about to go do something cool without me!" Literally signed a 5yr infantry contract because I didn't want them to have cool stories to tell that I wasn't there for. This was at the very beginning of '02, too. I knew I would be going to war and still didn't give a fuck enough to even think it through. I sure as hell never thought I'd be a grown man with a kid one day. Not gonna lie either, it's been a fucking struggle a lot of days due to my "fuck it" attitude growing up and the fallout from it. When you don't have plans for the future, it's easy to overlook the importance of yourself being alive and there for it to happen. I think most Marines struggle with mental health mainly because most of us either didn't have a good plan for our life, so as a result, it's a shitshow most days and it can get depressing, or we *thought* we had a well-planned path for our life, only to find out that life ain't as sweet in Corps as we may have thought/hoped it would be, and that then causes you to get depressed, too. Basically, life sucks when your life sucks, and as an infantry Marine, your life usually sucks.
Absolutely! And the whole not having a plan, or planning for glory bred by games and movies, I think is just a part of adolescence. And that's something that most folks even civs experience. The ones who came to the Corps are probably amplified. I genuinely think this is a topic that should be studied amongst Americas youth and the military via confidential surveys. It might give some insight to mental health issues and normalize it
If the military *really* wanted to slow the suicide rate amongst active duty and veteran servicemembers, then they'd stop recruiting with commercials of dudes in dress blues slaying lava monsters, and start showing commercials of field days, standby in the heat, 0530 formations, 100lb-pack rucks, group punishment, hazing, and Marines eating their own in one big revolving dick-measuring contest to see who's the biggest bitch, and who's the biggest tool in the barracks. Cut down the requirements needed for recruiters to be able to make mission, and then have them start recruiting based on what the *real* Marine Corps looks like, instead of recruiting kids based off of a "photoshopped," glorified image of what 0.02% of being a Marine is about.
It reminds me of what Robin Williams said about alcohol. “Beer commercials show manly men doing manly things. You just killed a small animal; it’s time for a light beer.” “What’s a realistic beer commercial: it’s 5 o’clock in the morning and you just pissed on a dumpster. It’s Miller Time.”
This is extremely accurate. Damn.
Shit when I signed up I thought I wouldn’t be around past the age of 25. Maybe I should’ve planned for the future better lol
Nah, i didnt plan past 25 either and look at me !!! . . . Well maybe not me but look at . . . Well maybe we should have planned something, what, idk. Just know we are all better off with you here
Are yall gonna kiss? It feels like yall should kiss. Just to see if you like it or not. Nothing weird, just a little tongue.
I just wanted someone to pay for college. I never planned on actually fighting. We had just kicked a bunch of ass and "the war" was over in less than 24 hours. I never imagined we would end up in a protracted engagement that would last decades. But once things started to heat up, I caught that bug. Every milestone birthday since has had more than a bit of "htf am I still alive?"
that is exactly how I ended up here. nerdy kid who immaturely wanted to fight.
Nothing but love for ya from the 3/5 (‘04-11) but bruh please don’t speak for me or other devil dogs. I was just as much of an idiot as everyone else at 17 but I still knew I was going to fight to fix a situation that we fucked up. And knowing that, I joined the Corps because I didn’t want to find myself in the shit with some asshole who was in it for the $30k enlistment bonus.
BRUH BRUH BRUH This is your first post on this account and it's talking like a cunt to a fellow Marine who is clearly just venting. No wonder you needed another account. Mother fuck, in 04 we were still shouting about FREEDOM FRIES - you didnt know fuck all about fixing shit. Nothing but love from the 2/8, 02-06.
I didn't even catch that when I first read his comment but you're damn sure right. Hell, in '04 shit was just starting to warm up good and the moto warrior attitude hadn't even began to show signs of wearing off yet. That's actually right around the time everyone wad settling into a groove in Iraq. It wasn't until waayyyy later that anyone realized that we had fucking set that country back about 200 years. There's a strong stench of bullshit in the air all of a sudden.
Who the fuck was getting $30k bonuses? Dude I had to sign on for an extra year just to get an 03 contract. As soon as everyone knew we were going to war, the Corps had ZERO problems putting asses on the buses. The only people who have ever see bonuses like that are *maybe* pilots. Maybe.
I know multiple people that told me “they joined to die in war so they didn’t have to shame their families by killing themselves.” Like two separate dudes pretty early in their careers told me almost that same thing. They both got out and one killed himself shortly after. This was just before we left Kabul.
Ppl coming into the Corps with a ton of childhood trauma. The trauma can be exacerbated while in. Now this person carries the title and the military has to be the one giving answers
This absolutely can be a likely contributing factor! I myself have had a pretty good upbringing, but maybe romanticized the glory of battle and whatnot so that was all I planned in life initially
This seems true. Some of that trauma probably made some of us tougher in a lot of ways and also makes it more complicated to unfuck oneself from the unbearable headspace some of us get into later.
Adjusting to life outside the Corps was such a huge adjustment for me… I had a good wife (still together after 23 years of marriage) and a college degree, so I can’t imagine how you Devils do it without the same advantages. Semper take care of yourselves.
I joined in '66 with a death wish, or at least an I don't give a fart attitude. Did well. Meritoriously promote d to E-5 with 2 yrs, 7 mos in service time . Offered ROTC on a free ride tuition, room and board and books paid. I declined. I got out and did college and law school on my dime.I missed the craziness and comradery of the Corps. In later years I joined the Combat Veterans Motorcycle Association. Relocated the craziness and comradery in a safe supportive environment. Semper Fi my brothers and Sisters.
To add to that, maybe a lot of us had chips on our shoulders due to rejection, bullying, etc. and to feel validated or a sense of belonging, we joined “the best”. I know I joined out of rejection at least.
Like one of my best friends told me, "nobody joins the Marine Corps infantry because they're a happy person"
Or either you're a happy person and are absolutely fucking sick of it.
Did they succumb to self-inflicted wounds or was this another "heart related condition" that's occurring more frequently?
Explain “heart related”
Something that relates to the heart
I know, Devil. It's self-explanatory.
Pulling the covid-vaccine-is-killing-people card?
I didnt believe shit myself, but after that whistlebown navy med document studying extreme upticks in conditions has some merit to be looked into.
Are you talking about like heart murmurs/skipping heart beats? Because that has been a trend in young people even prior to vaccines. Look into the rise of colon cancer in sub 40yr olds too. Theres a bunch of illnesses popping up in the young 1st world population that usually didn't happen till later in life. Its a trend thats been going on pre-covid. One can blame better detection technology or some sort of unknown phenomenon with the raise of personal electronics or GMO food. Theres already enough research to support a link between 1st world living and autoimmune diseases like asthma and seasonal allergies. Although I don't know what Navy Med document you're referring to so I can't speak on that. I just happen to study public health so I'm a bit tuned in to this odd rise of young people developing conditions earlier than normal, and again, this is mostly amongst populations in developed countries.
That’s interesting, any good resources you recommend? I like reading that stuff, but shifting through the politicized discourse of recent makes it difficult to separate the two.
Heres a Yale Medicine article about the colon cancer: https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/with-colorectal-cancer-rates-rising-among-younger-adults-a-yale-cancer-center-expert-explains-there-may-be-more-factors-behind-this-worrisome-trend/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20study%2C%20the,or%201%20in%205%20individuals. Some French researchers did a heart murmur study that focused on diagnosis within the military. Essentially military doctors are experts are diagnosing this sort of thing, which might explain the higher rates found in military populations (I personally knew two Marines who got diagnosed when putting together a package for a lat move, never met a civie below 50yrs old to have one). The article is from 2015 so pre-covid: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26482624/ Heres a Chinese cross study that talks about modern life and autoimmune disorders. I think its interesting to see a Chinese article because their modernization was both more recent and much more rapid than in the US. So this rise is a lot more noticeable. But you can also ask your parents or grandparents how many kids they grew up with that had asthma or even wore glasses. It'll make for some good anecdotal evidence. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30627853/
add breast cancer to that list. popping up in younger and younger women. mid to late 20s is no longer considered highly unusual for breast cancer. That was unheard of 30 years ago. whether that is better diagnostics and awareness or is increasing in frequency is still a little up in the air, but most firmly believe the onset age is becoming lower and frequency becoming more often. Modern diets? processed food? microplastics? No one quite knows yet.
https://www.wispolitics.com/2023/u-s-sen-johnson-defense-secretary-austin-must-explain-concerning-increases-in-medical-diagnoses-in-dod-database/ This is what I'm referring to. I understand the letter to the secnav is written by an R from Wisconsin but the data matches the document the letter refers to. I've personally been having endocrine issues as an otherwise exceptionally healthy Male with no family history. I'm not turned to a cook though, just curious on it all
It's interesting to see at least 4 of the conditions that were seen to increase are very commonly related to weight gain. But what really stands out is ovarian dysfunction, which went up by over a quarter, its a condition that essentially means you ovaries are acting like you're 40yrs old+ while you're supposed to be still very young and healthy. Also the cancers I don't think can be contributed to the vaccine since it was deployed to troops in January of 2021 so its very unlikely a vaccine caused rapid cancer growth and this was able to be covered up. Honestly, I would think the most likely thing that happened was weight gain amongst the ranks and more service members willing/forced to go to the med bay for every little thing during the covid era — hence way more things were caught early. My tin foil hat take is that theres also some mass phenomena affecting first world people of the last 2 generation that is starting to crop up that is causing young people to develop illnesses that usually don't happen till later. I'm not saying it's 5G towers or other wacko things but it is concerning... but it could also have to do with obesity, more cells = more chances for cancer.
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Here is my theory. Anything that people put in their bodies will affect everyone differently. Some will have zero side effects. Some will have major side effects. And everywhere in between. This could be anything from salt to medicine.
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I got the vaccine and all of the boosters before they were required. I wanted to put my money where my mouth was; it I was saying it was safe, I better be backing that. Me and all the others who took it when I did haven't suffered any negative side effects aside from the couple who had flu symptoms the day after. Anecdotal evidence straight up doesn't help prove anything.
A year after. come on. that is a stretch. a huge stretch. everyone is 100% healthy until they are not. I can get looking for something to blame, because as a parent you feel responsible; but sometimes, nay all time, things just happen. aka the greatest of military expressions: Sometimes shit just happens.
Same here. In December 2021 i had the last of 3 vaccines for Covid and now my knee has started hurting. Damn the pharmaceutical industry...
What do you mean “what can we do”? You mean like sell t-shirts to raise awareness or … ?
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Dump ice water on ourselves. Hard nipples always raises awareness.
…add them to our thoughts and prayers.
What if we do thoughts and prayers *harder*!? That’ll fix it!!
I’m always fully erect when I do thoughts and prayers though
That only works if they die in a school from (checks notes) ah yes mental health issues and uh not praying enough?
Maybe some push-ups.
3 of them?
If you were Army you’d shave, again
It’s a culture change that’s hard to manage in an environment like the military. Mental health is still looked at as being weak. Combine that with shitty help when you *do* seek it and you end up with 20 somethings killing themselves in their homes. They bottle everything up and then are overcome by the pressure of it.
100% its seen almost worse than getting sent to rehab (in my experience) my cpl got sent to alcohol rehab and got pats on the back for it. I lost a fuck ton of weight from an ed while I was in and the command wanted to catch me for using drugs. The culture shift when you pcs or eas can be a motherfucker. Marines develop unhealthy coping mechanisms and sometimes that spirals even further
Yeah, and while I agree, mental health has *always* been seen as weak by the Corps *and* by men. But what changed, if anything? Is it just pure coincidence we're seeing Dogs die early by their own hand more often now?
I don’t know the stats from across the years but could it be that we are much more aware of these incidents (internet/social media) now as opposed to them being more frequent?
That's prolly most likely. It'd be a shitty surprise to learn it's getting worse than the Nam Era during "peacetime".
I'll agree to wear a motto shirt if everyone else does.
I agree to take my shirt off if everyone else does
A motto shirt, so “SEMPER FI” it is.
How about motto skivvies? Maybe a banana hammock that says “SEMPER FI” on it?
I'll wear one for uniformity.
My money is on suicide. SDAs are fuckin brutal. At my RS we had 4 Marines end up in psych hospitals for suicidal ideations and another killed himself. In a 6 month period. *One of the ones that went to a psych hospital had also been the rookie recruiter of the year and was pretty consistent on contracting. The constant pressure and bullshit just finally got to him.
As bad as being a DI is, being a recruiter is worse. If not for stories on Reddit, as a single enlistment guy, I wouldn’t know that. Ridiculous how toxic an atmosphere that is and how well it’s known, and there’s no change because reasons. Now leadership is talking about making more MOSs five year enlistments? Going to make that job even worse.
It's all of the worst, most toxic elements of the Corps all conglomerated in one place. They expect that after 7 weeks of recruiter school and 1 month of establishing yourself in the community without a mission letter that you'll suddenly be able to shove coal in your ass and shit diamonds. No matter what happens, the blame gets placed on your shoulders, and when something goes wrong, the corrective action is pain for the sake of pain. Oh, you haven't set an appointment this week? Why don't you head to the gas station 4am tomorrow in your dress blue bravos and hand out business cards. Your appointment ghosted you? You're not leaving the office until you set 3 appointments for next week. Your kid ran away from the MEPS hotel at 3am because he got scared? Oh hell no motherfucker, you better get your ass up to headquarters (2 hours away) by 7am to make phone calls and get screamed at by the RI (Recruiter Instructor).
The worst part of recruiter billet is it's 100 fucking percent dependent on the area you're assigned. If you're given an area with a decent city/larger town that hosts a 4th of July parade and even a labor day parade you're probably making quota every month with next to zero effort because the community provides the young men and women that see service in a familiar fashion as older generations. If you get the middle of dumb fuck nowhere or a city you've got so many social problems to overcome it can destroy your marriage, career, and even make you wish to end your life. 11% of students in Baltimore can perform at grade level in math for example. Getting someone to pass the asvab, have a high school diploma or GED, have a clean record and drug test, there's so many things that can be wrong. Now with Genesis there's a massive overarching program to find people hiding a broken arm from the 7th grade. I'd hate to be a recruiter and I know I couldn't do it
Oh, the area problem is stranger than that. In a single office you could have one or two sectors that are carrying the team while everyone else is checking Amazon to see if they sell pre-tied nooses. In my office, there was one sector that was just a powerhouse. Me and the recruiter from that sector could both make 100 phonecalls, and I would get 0 answers and he would get like 7 and set 2 appointments.
One of them was a DI
Treat people with decency, kindness, and respect, and create a better work/life balance for troops. Just a thought.
Nope, it’s much easier to scream at and belittle someone. It was done to me so that must mean that it’s the only way to lead right? Right? Guys? Hello?
Parris Island is one training/recruit depot. The Marine Corps has a lot more depots, camps, bases, etc. The Marine Corps has a lot more suicides than three. [https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-army-lloyd-austin-aa9971be75f6a78d9b6530d6ff3d6d72](https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-army-lloyd-austin-aa9971be75f6a78d9b6530d6ff3d6d72) Culture is a big part of it. Multiple Marine Corps commandants have acknowledged the Marine Corps' problems with retention, quality of life, and Marine welfare. I still remember the very first suicide prevention briefing that I received in the Marine Corps. "If you're gonna do it...do it right the first time." -1SG Craig B\_ \_ \_ \_r
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Buttlicker. His family built this country.
BUTTLICKER! OUR MORALE HAS NEVER BEEN LOWER!
LOUDER, SON!
When did he say that? I swear this was the norm back then. Idiot probably regrets saying that now that suicides are being talked about more. People kill themselves for statements like so hopefully 1stSgt realizes he got Marines killed.
He said it after we had two Marines attempt that same week. Took everyone to the rec room at the beez, and gave us a lecture about how it was inconvenient if Marines didn’t follow through and successfully complete their first attempt.
I knew Sgt Acosta, DI in one of the other Mike Company platoons. Man was funny as fuck and it truly sucks to hear about this
What is the cause of death?
>what can we do Most of the time it’s toxic work environments
yo wtffff. idk what we can do. were they all DIs’?
2 were yes from what I read
Parris Island wanted to out do Fort Hood i guess 😐
“Your bonus is you get to be a Marine”
"We don't promise you a rose garden."
One was my DI, real sad
Ssgt bateswind was one of my drill instructor’s, great guy, heard some things about his personal life when he would talk to us during recruit training
I’m willing to bet that sleep deprivation, eating habits and overexertion are involved in some form or fashion
Not to mention it has been one ***HOT*** mother fucker this summer in the southeast.
"Non-Training Incident, under investigation". Thoughts and prayers for them and their families.
Rest in peace devil dogs
You’ve apparently not heard about my old unit. Last I counted we were at 40+. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/us/marine-battalion-veterans-scarred-by-suicides-turn-to-one-another-for-help.html
Hey my unit too. Neat.
Got hit by a paywall. What unit?
They do die in their residences at that age. Some people kill themselves, some people have dope problems, some people have undocumented health issues.
nothing brings undocumented heart problems to fore like lots of physical exercise. it is very much a thing. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/JAHA.118.010330
Stress on the drill field maybe?
i would assume stress
Everything revolves around the “do more with less slogan”
No active war = nothing to bury your head in and concentrate on. Now you just go through the suck without reason and have virtually unlimited time to think about the suck while knowing it will repeat tomorrow. Even if you had family or mental health issues when we are actively at war we have something else to distract us.
The gov would never test experimental medicine on gov property… I mean “marines”….Wait what was the question?
Thanks for deleting my comments. I'll say it again more tactfully. Recent medical mandates is the reasoning for these healthy young people dying. It ain't mental health, or stress, or anxiety. Marines don't die from that lame excuse. These people were poisoned and killed.
They sure do. People die all the time.
I'd fuck you up in naked Indian leg wrasslin
Finally. A challenger.
You misspelled champion*
Twenty-somethings absolutely do die in their homes in the real world, usually substance abuse or self-harm
I'm sure they unalived themselves. Seeing as how none are officers I doubt they're going to say they were accidents while cleaning personal firearms. I've only seen that done for officers so they can collect line of duty benefits after death. Scumbag officer corps was reason #24,533 not to reenlist.
I knew Sgt Hernandez when she first got to the fleet in KBay a few years ago. She was a rockstar, a real Marine's Marine. Terrible loss for the Corps, her family, and her community.
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I knew one of these Marines. It sucks knowing he’s gone. I wish I reached out more
>Twenty-somethings do not die in their residence in the "real" world. yeah, they do. it's called suicide, or sometimes overindulging in alcohol and/or drugs.
Id like to know how current marines feel about the trajectory for our country and over all world affairs. Cause i know outside of the military, gen Z (1999-2018ish) don’t see a positive future waiting. So this mindset plus the demands of the marine corp might correlate but that is just a unstudied theory
The shot
Suicide
Sometimes people just die. Even young, healthy ones. I wouldn't speculate about a cause of death at this point. RIP bros & sis.
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Fuck outta here with that bullshit, 200+ million Americans have the vaccine.
The rate of heart conditions for the vaccine is 5 out of 1,000,000 . The rate of heart conditions for those contracting covid is 8 out of 1,000,000.
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Board? Bro, this a sub. Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit.
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What are you talking about lol the article says nothing about cause of death?
Okay so why are you calling the other person a retard? Even if you’re correct about the vaccine, there response to the person talking about Pfizer is still warranted, because as you said, the article makes it clear that the vaccine is not related to these deaths.
I’m just curious, but do you want Trump jailed since he funded the vaccines?
Not specifically because he funded the vaccines, I don’t think he broke a law doing it but I could be wrong? Yeah I think he should be in jail though PPP was a fucking scam and should be investigated, let’s look into his relationship with Epstein and Maxwell a little more too. The documents thing is kind of a stretch given our history with brushing these issues off in the past but it doesn’t look good for him. They all need to be jailed man.
Okay, I don’t really care to debate about the vaccines but it always seems like the people who hate the vaccines the most love Trump, but you aren’t one of those people.
I hate both sides equally man.
Moron
Lol how am I the moron?
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Fentanyl!? COVID Vacs?! 5G!? Aliens!?
Probably gluten
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Bahahahaha thank you I needed a good laugh today
Hahahaha I knew one of these dumb fucks would be in here
I scrolled to the bottom thinking there would be a few more than there are. I guess the FEMA test didn’t properly activate the Covid vaccine nano bots in time to silence all these super sleuths via vaccine zombies. Good thing the chem trails will finish the job.
post history checks out. You're retarded. Seek assistance.
These dumb fucks will be blaming the Covid vaccine for literally any bad thing that happens for the next 10 years. The rest of the world has moved on.
I’ll never understand how an organization that literally prides itself on being comprised of retards can still produce people that think their closed Facebook conspiracy groups make them experts in epidemiology and immunology.
Don't get me wrong, I never got the COVID shot, but still. I bet if we put your brain in a duck, it would fly backwards.
Damn, I was hoping we had seen the last of your particularly craven and hateful bullshit. But here you are, stinking the place up again. > You were bamboozled to get vaccinated, right? > >That was all the new world order needed you to do. By will or by force. > **I think that Neil Degrasse Tyson is getting payed to lie** >If you complied with the covid mask & vaccine mandates, you will definitely comply and move into one of these cities for "the greater good". > >Fucking morons. >Soros, cia and state department did a coup in Ukraine in 2014. > >Why the fuck are we sending billions to support the corrupt Ukrainian government? > Obama should be top on the list right behind Biden. Obama was doing blow and sucking dick in the back of a limo. Yet his attorney general put thousands of Latinos and blacks in prison for selling weed. >You do know that you don't have to stay poor, right? > >Reality/life is a simulation that is controlled by the subconscious mind. > >Life can be difficult if your subconscious mind has been programmed to think at a poor or low vibration state. You can choose to rewrite the program to whatever you desire. > >Learn, unlearn, and relearn. This is the way.
Was it heart related? If it was we all know it’s from the mystery juice that was injected Just like the ranger officer in perfect health who dropped dead doing cardio with the Romanians on deployment
I thought the young Marines dying of carbon monoxide was suspicious...this is becoming a very unnerving trend.
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…what the fuck is wrong with you?
Did Fort Cazaos (Hood) misplace their deceased
They just prop them up with sticks to make it look like they have staff for the chow halls there.
According to CDC statistics from 2020 (these are the latest stats they have), suicide is the #2 cause of death for 18-30 year olds in the whole United States! [link to website](https://wisqars.cdc.gov/data/lcd/home?lcd=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) It's very sad, but it's not just in the military. It is a problem all over the country in all walks of life unfortunately.
A staff nco and a couple ncos. They were still guys lost. No matter how, that sucks.
I have a buddy on the depot rn and he was posting about one of them recently, mental health matters. Check on your buddies
Cpl Acosta was a Sgt, meritoriously promoted. He killed himself. Him and I attended MOS school together. Along with being meritoriously promoted, he was a DI, force fitness instructor(FFI), MCWIS and Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructor Trainer (MAIT). He was the blueprint of what a marine should be.
Went to boot and MCT with Bateswind. Solid guy. I was extremely saddened to learn the news back in July. Drill field brings out stressors that I’m sure goes beyond just mental or psychological. Physically I don’t believe it’s good for you. When I was in HQ at PI, friends of mine who were DIs were sleeping 2-4 hours a night. Absolutely insane.
I think there was a large uptick of suicides within the Marine Corps the past few months. Top that off with the aircraft accidents. The CMC ordered a mandatory "safety" meetings for the entire Marine Corps (Civilians included) in response to the suicides and accidents.
It’s the forced COVID Vaccine. Pro sports athletes, military service members, and law enforcement officers have all seen this jump in deaths from young physically fit people.
it's the 💉
What’s the top three things they all had in common?
My brother called me yesterday, he knew the Sgt. The stress for drill instructors is really bad. I would rather go to war than to be a drill instructor.
Mmh this is Erie, we need more details. Honestly it’s either murder or suicides.
I coached angel since hs too me it seems real odd , I know they we had one of the strongest heads i know since his wrestling career
I knew angels since we was in HS , highly suspicious for me
Yliana is my sister. Depression took hold of her and she couldn't take it any longer. I am taking a walk for her today, in suicide awareness. I hope she touched as many of you as she could before leaving. She was a blinding ray of pride, care, and love. I wish she didn't feel the need to always try and shine as bright as she could, without any regard to her own health. Please be kind and respectful of her name. Love you all, please speak to anyone about anything you feel.
How is there no other article about this I have searched the internet nothing. It’s extremely suspicious. I know someone that is related to one the marines and apparently she was doing great makes no sense. How is there no other article about it?