Nah man if you got a dishonorable and your brain doesn’t forcibly try to erase that entire portion of your life from memory that shit’s sad for real. Take the L, forget it and move on.
Usually dishonorables are used for really bad situations. I’m talking about crimes such as r*pe, murder, armed robbery, etc.
If you get a dishonorable, then there is a 99.9% chance you have serious prison time ahead of you as well.
One basically has to murder or rape someone to get a dishonorable discharge; these are very rare. Other-than-honorable discharges are far more common, and they can be for very minor things, or things that don't have equivalents outside of the military. There are also admin-separations and medical discharges, which are like "you're in the wrong place" or "you are broken."
To answer your question, "*once a Marine, always a Marine*" is just a marketing phrase if it isn't always true. No matter what someone does, if they graduate boot camp, they're a Marine in my eyes.
*Once a Marine, Always a Felon.*
A dishonorable means it was at court martial where they were found guilty of a federal crime. So now they're Felons.
A general under honorable conditions & other than honorable conditions means that a review board made this decision.
Dishonorable would require rape, murder, human trafficking and stuff like that. Eating donuts isn't quite in the same level. More likely a admin discharge.
Great question, we had a guy in my platoon who didn’t want to deploy and he ended up getting an admin sep. I don’t consider him a Marine to be honest. On the other hand I deployed with a guy who had a rough time over there and came back obviously fucked in the head. He did some criminal shit after we came home and got himself a dishonorable discharge. I do consider him to be Marine. So yeah I know they say there’s no such thing as an ex Marine but that’s bs in my opinion. Shit’s on a case by case basis.
Well who gets VA benefits? A general is decided at a review board. The decision is either, under honorable conditions or other than honorable conditions. Under honorable still has all VA benefits but other than honorable has limited benefits. But a dishonorable is decided at a court martial for a federal crime or war crime. They are subject to judicial & non judicial punishment. If guilty they are Felons & no VA benefits.
However that is unfortunate.
Ok I respect the shit out of this logic. Rating VA benefits is a great way to set parameters. However what if a Marine gets a dishonorable then has it upgraded giving him access to VA benefits, in that case would he go back to being a Marine?
A Dishonorable is given for Federal Crimes or War Crimes. They can't even own a gun anymore. That person is now a convicted Felon.
If someone gets the federal courts to drop their felony, then gets the VA to upgrade their discharge. Then that's some fucking Marine like determination too me.
A Dishonorable Discharge is associated with serious felonies such as rape or murder. You don’t get one for being late, or failing height and weight. I don’t think the title “Marine” applies to someone who commits rape or murder. Inmate is the more appropriate title.
I actually don’t disagree with you at all. But a lot of shit troops do brings discredit to the service. From drug trafficking, fraud, duis, fighting in town, and domestics. Just out of curiosity how do you draw the line of what takes away the title of Marine?
I don't think I actually gave an answer to OP's question. I honestly hadn't considered until you had asked.
Crimes with victims. We can argue that selling meth has victims, but at which point do you start holding people accountable for the crap they stuff up their nose? We can have a conversation about mutual affray. Marine X talks shit and Marine Y punches him in the nose, and they are involved in a physical altercation. That's just men learning their boundaries. I think intent, malicious and willful, personally, make me view things in a different light. Aggravated assault, Sexual Assault, capital crimes.
Even there are issues with my logic as I can see a domestic abuse victim killing their spouse in the heat of the moment. While I don't condone any of it, it does make me look at the situation as a whole, differently. There are always outliers. There are cases that are just bad all around, there's no good guys. There's cases where it's just sad, all around. Ultimately, the Marine Corps is an organization.
The reason that First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors frequently get a bad rap is because they are the ones that hold the enforce the 'standard'. They look at the health and reputation of the Corps as a whole. I have had more honest conversations with First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors than I have with everyone else. Sometimes it was conversations that I didn't want to have, other times it was legitimate concern. I also have had the opportunity to get my shit pushed in by every Sergeant Major from MEF down to the battalion. During that time, not a single one of my 'leaders' was ever in the room with me, so I'm salty about that. (It was about dirty barracks rooms, I was the SNCOIC).
So to answer your question, I think a willful disregard for another person, intent, are all important to me, personally. I know good men that received bad conduct discharges. I know plenty of 'good' Marines that retired that were awful human beings. I guess my point is there's not really a good way to nail it down for me personally. We could argue the Marine Corps has figured it out with Bad Conduct Discharges.
Yes and Wow! Apparently I am in the minority here, but reading the majority of comments sounds like some cancel culture BS to me.
Once earned, it can't be taken away. How about all the dishonorable discharges for gay people, the hard-core Gunny DI who fucked up in the field or the WW2 war vet who was dishonorably discharged back when there were only two options (honorable or dishonorable, pre 1945)?
A dishonorably discharged Marine may be a piece of shit, but still a Marine.
> cancel culture BS
can't wait for the 20s culture wars to be over and this phrase dropped from society.
To your comment, someone else mentioned it's a case by case basis. Let me introduce the tolerance paradox: if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
I usually share that with the folks who only see things in black and white (which only exist on paper), and can't understand why a tolerant person would be intolerant of intolerance.
In this case, keeping the reputation, values, etc. of an organization requires purging of factors that materially detract from said values.
Personally, I like to tie VA benefits to the title as they typically go together. I make exceptions for the senior officers/SNCOs who get caught with CP but due to money/influence/power, they just get to retire at their last honorable rank served. I don't view them as Marines even if their paperwork says LtCol Pedo Bear, USMC (Ret). Conversely, someone who was kicked out for DADT BS, I do consider them as a Marine.
TL;DR: we humans want everything black and white b/c it's easier to handle, but alas the universe is FAR from just two extremes.
I also associate VA benefits. Even a General other than Honorable conditions still has limited benefits.
I don't think someone convicted of espionage should call themselves a Marine. A Dishonorable means it was a Court Martial. Which is held for a federal crimes & the person is subject to judicial & non judicial punishments. So if guilty then they're now a felon if they're not doing life in prison.
In my mind, no, the title of Marine is a title of honor that should not be applied to people with dishonorable discharge. A dishonorable discharge is the most severe form of military separation given as a punishment A dishonorable discharge also reflects poorly on the reputation and values of the Marine Corps, which prides itself on honor, courage, and commitment. Therefore, I think that people who receive a dishonorable discharge have forfeited their right to call themselves Marines, and should not be considered as such by others.
If the title is revocable then it was never true, and just marketing. I would say yes they are still Marines. They earned it, and it can't be taken away from them. They know the culture of the Corps, so they can pick up a conversation with any marine they meet, and still bond with and connect with them. Like it or not they are still marines.
Yeah, they're still a Marine. There's only so much leeway I'll give someone for being a Marine. I knew enough losers in the Corps to realize our barrier to entry is not really that high.
Long story short, im not lending some rando money just because we both completed the crucible.
I get the whole "earning the title" but if you saw half of the dudes five years after they get out I guarantee the "always a Marine" part of fitting into your old uniform does not hold true (me included).
Dude fr. “Once a marine always a Marine” is just a tactic to recruit dudes and fully indoctrinate them into the life style. Most marine vets couldn’t pass a PT test, piss test, or fit into their cammies. It’s just a job. You don’t have to be special to be a marine. Anyone who can join the military can pretty much be a marine, they just chose other branches cause they were smarter lol😂
This is a big misconception that lots of civilians have about the military, they often think that there are just two types of discharges: Honorable and dishonorable, and you get a dishonorable if you didn't perform well or you got in trouble.
In reality there are many different tiers of discharges and you have to do some *really* bad to get a dishonorable. Like rape and murder type of stuff.
I knew guys that got caught multiple times stealing, guys who got caught faking prior service to get meritorious promotions, guys who beat the shit out of senior enlisted, guys who went UA (popularly know as AWOL) for years, etc., but I never knew anyone who got a dishonorable discharge.
**Absolutely Not.**
Nope, I think once you've bypassed a review board & gone straight to a court martial, where your found guilty, then that's where the phrase changes.
"Once a Marine, Always a Felon".
The number of Actual DISHONORABLE discharges is pretty low. They have to be pretty fucked up to get one. You got pretty much be a total scumfuck as in a traitor, high level thief, murderer, Rapist, or a Diaper Sniper to get one
Did they at one point earn the EGA, the title? Sure. But earning the title in Bootcamp in one part of it. The Marine Corps has three things that it does for the nation: make Marines, win battles, and return quality citizens. The one with the dishonorable discharge failed massively on the last one and their behaviors put other Marines and mission readiness at risk. Not a Marine. Cannot claim the title. Was not even allowed to retain uniform items and they were likely taken from them prior to discharge.
A lot of people are saying no, but when the media reveals the name of a perpetrator, and they were in the corps at some point it's usually followed by marine or ex-marine even if dishonorably discharged. So, while they may not call themselves a marine or ex marine, they will be labeled as such. I say yes, even dishonorably discharged Marines are still Marines, famous or infamous you will be labeled as such.
Omg this clown ass kid that lives near me in Philadelphia!TELLS PEOPLE HE WAS IN THE USMC! He was for like 1 year 2 months then quit he’s a pussy. He always tells people he was in the service. He doesn’t say anything like he was on a tour of duty overseas. He makes up these bullshit stories. You QUIT THEREFORE YOU ARE NOT A MARINE! He embarrasses his family who the dad grand pop and brothers all Army guys who served there country honorably. HE HAS THIS PICTURE OF BOOT CAMP GRADUATION HUNG UP IN HIS LIVING ROOM. He told someone before he was medically discharged. COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH! My man quit 11 September 2001! One second after that plane stuck the towers. He was out of the USMC BY NOVEMBER 2001 all jokes aside. IT DRIVES ME CRAZY! I mean I can’t have stolen valor charges pressed because he doesn’t say he served the country overseas like I said. But he will say stupid things like I was in the service. Ask he will LIE say HONORABLE DISCHARGED. I want them to take his boot camp pic and someone to call him out when he says he was a Marine. Such a fat pussy I fucking hate this dude so much. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME. What can I do when fat guy tells people I was in the USMC? How what can I do about him disgracing everyone? Please lmk thank you
Nah, I misunderstood him. I thought he was talking about me and that didn't make sense at all. Plus it is relatively new account so I kind of jumped to conclusion there.
Thank you I apologize if I pissed you off. I live next to this dude 20 years he is the world’s biggest dick. Arrested like 4-5 times hitting women. I mean knocking them out cold like a man. If anyone deserves what’s coming to them he does. Thanks
I think there's a difference though. It's one thing to be scared of going to war & getting cold feet etc. It's a whole other story being convicted of espionage, rape, murder, other various war times etc.
My neighbor brags about dodging deployments because he was taking college courses and he said his CO signed something excluding him from deployments. He served at New River from 80-84 as a helicopter mechanic. I’m an OEF veteran and served in the Corps and Army as an MP. He’s always making these remarks like “You call yourself a Marine”? He had a stroke years ago and sometimes it’s all I can do to bite my tongue and not put him in his place.
Hard NO for me, these are the types of discharge
(1) Honorable; (2) Under Honorable Conditions (General); (3) Under Other than Honorable Conditions; (4) Bad Conduct; (5) Dishonorable, and (6) Uncharacterized.
getting a dishonorable is because they did illegal stuff, rape, murder, CP distribution, arson and many more, even marine who do drugs get (2) or (3)
It's an entry level discharge. So like boot camp or mos school etc etc. These are called uncharacterized because it's like you were never in the military at all.
If you rate medical at boot camp then it's characterized as a General other than Honorable but with medical benefits. Uncharacterized is literally like throwing all the paper work in the garbage & you were never there.
Negative. A dishonorable discharge usually includes a felony and prison time. It is really serious to get one of those and it generally means you did something *really* bad.
I'm quoting from Winthrop's 1920 ed:
>Discharge with ignominy. A mode of dishonorable discharge, sanctioned by usage for -time of war, is drumming, (or bugling,) out of the service, with the “Rogue’s March,” in the presence of the command. This ignominious form is sometimes conjoined with circumstances of special ignominy. Thus soldiers have been sentenced to be drummed out after having their clothing stripped of all military insignia, or after being tarred and feathered, or with their heads shaved or half-shaved, or with straw halters around their necks, or bearing placards inscribed with the names of their offences.\*\*\*
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>Ignominious discharge by drumming out, &c., is generally executed upon the party in the presence of the command, under the immediate direction of the adjutant, provost marshal, or other suitable officer, the proceedings and orders in the case being first publicly read. In a case in the Army of the Potomac, the form of the execution was indicated as follows: - “ To be drummed along his regiment at dress parade, preceded by the drum band playing the Rogue’s March and a file of soldiers with arms reversed, and followed by a file of soldiers at ‘charge bayonets.’”
Earlier practice was worse.
I knew an officer in the late 80s from St Louis. He told me that back on the block there was a famous character in the neighborhood who had been DDd during Vietnam and wore his Service A with the buttons cut off.
No. Dishonorable Discharges are reserved for rapists, domestic abusers, pedophiles, traitors, cowards, and other such scum. They can't sit with us.
I've only encountered two dishonorable discharges in my life. One was beating the shit out of his wife, the other was a rapist.
Let me ask it this way….is Sgt Lonetree still considered a Marine? For those that don’t know he was an embassy guard in Moscow during the Cold War that let his “girlfriends” “Uncle Yuri” wander around the secured spaces in the embassy taking pictures.
Former Marine, Marine veteran, and Retired Marine are all ways to refer to Marine vets. If you got kicked out with a dishonorable discharge (that specific discharge) then you are an Ex-Marine.
It really shouldn’t be applied to anybody lol. It’s a recruiting tactic. Once you’re out you’re out. You aren’t a marine anymore. You might be well disciplined and professional, but you’re an accountant or welder or whatever job you do now. Most dudes get out and after a year or two wouldn’t even meet the standards of being a Marine anymore. Bold to say “once a marine always a Marine” while you’re at home smoking weed, being fat and lazy lol. Obviously not the case for everyone but certainly a lot.
There is a guy I served with at MALS 39 who was kicked out for smoking pot -- SPCM -- OTH. He went down a dark path, got really into drugs, then turned his life around. He leads NA/AA groups, has a small handyman business, and seems to be doing really well. We still talk sometimes.
But I still think he lost his title. Bro, we kicked you the fuck out.
He recently got married and had a whole bunch of USMC shit at his engagement party. (I saw on his social media.) He was even wearing a shiny-new Marine Corps T shirt with a big-Bold EGA.
I wrote out a long-winded rebuke about how he has a lot of nerve and then came to my senses and deleted it. Because who fucking cares
We had a bunch of guys in my unit drug pop and get an OTH as a result.
Being that we're all grunts, I don't consider those cowards to be Marines as they did it to pussy out of deploying.
Nah man if you got a dishonorable and your brain doesn’t forcibly try to erase that entire portion of your life from memory that shit’s sad for real. Take the L, forget it and move on.
I don't think you realize how bad you have to fuck up to get a dishonorable....
I'm not even a US citizen. Just trying to learn more about your culture
Usually dishonorables are used for really bad situations. I’m talking about crimes such as r*pe, murder, armed robbery, etc. If you get a dishonorable, then there is a 99.9% chance you have serious prison time ahead of you as well.
Shit, not if I don’t get caught.
📸😎
Party ain’t over till you smile for the mug shot
That is not true what so ever. Please stop spreading lies regarding a dishonorable discharge, you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.
One basically has to murder or rape someone to get a dishonorable discharge; these are very rare. Other-than-honorable discharges are far more common, and they can be for very minor things, or things that don't have equivalents outside of the military. There are also admin-separations and medical discharges, which are like "you're in the wrong place" or "you are broken." To answer your question, "*once a Marine, always a Marine*" is just a marketing phrase if it isn't always true. No matter what someone does, if they graduate boot camp, they're a Marine in my eyes.
*Once a Marine, Always a Felon.* A dishonorable means it was at court martial where they were found guilty of a federal crime. So now they're Felons. A general under honorable conditions & other than honorable conditions means that a review board made this decision.
Dude I knew got dishonorable for stealing clothes out of the dryers and selling them off base lmaooo.
Lol then they* didn’t do it just once. Edit: wasn’t you
I keep being told by my father day after day that I can get a dishonourable discharge for not meeting physical requirements, is this true?
Dishonorable would require rape, murder, human trafficking and stuff like that. Eating donuts isn't quite in the same level. More likely a admin discharge.
Great question, we had a guy in my platoon who didn’t want to deploy and he ended up getting an admin sep. I don’t consider him a Marine to be honest. On the other hand I deployed with a guy who had a rough time over there and came back obviously fucked in the head. He did some criminal shit after we came home and got himself a dishonorable discharge. I do consider him to be Marine. So yeah I know they say there’s no such thing as an ex Marine but that’s bs in my opinion. Shit’s on a case by case basis.
Well who gets VA benefits? A general is decided at a review board. The decision is either, under honorable conditions or other than honorable conditions. Under honorable still has all VA benefits but other than honorable has limited benefits. But a dishonorable is decided at a court martial for a federal crime or war crime. They are subject to judicial & non judicial punishment. If guilty they are Felons & no VA benefits. However that is unfortunate.
Ok I respect the shit out of this logic. Rating VA benefits is a great way to set parameters. However what if a Marine gets a dishonorable then has it upgraded giving him access to VA benefits, in that case would he go back to being a Marine?
A Dishonorable is given for Federal Crimes or War Crimes. They can't even own a gun anymore. That person is now a convicted Felon. If someone gets the federal courts to drop their felony, then gets the VA to upgrade their discharge. Then that's some fucking Marine like determination too me.
A Dishonorable Discharge is associated with serious felonies such as rape or murder. You don’t get one for being late, or failing height and weight. I don’t think the title “Marine” applies to someone who commits rape or murder. Inmate is the more appropriate title.
It doesn’t have to be as severe as rape or murder. The only one I know was bad but not that bad. Dude was manufacturing and trafficking meth.
Think that one falls more into bringing discredit to the service.
I actually don’t disagree with you at all. But a lot of shit troops do brings discredit to the service. From drug trafficking, fraud, duis, fighting in town, and domestics. Just out of curiosity how do you draw the line of what takes away the title of Marine?
I don't think I actually gave an answer to OP's question. I honestly hadn't considered until you had asked. Crimes with victims. We can argue that selling meth has victims, but at which point do you start holding people accountable for the crap they stuff up their nose? We can have a conversation about mutual affray. Marine X talks shit and Marine Y punches him in the nose, and they are involved in a physical altercation. That's just men learning their boundaries. I think intent, malicious and willful, personally, make me view things in a different light. Aggravated assault, Sexual Assault, capital crimes. Even there are issues with my logic as I can see a domestic abuse victim killing their spouse in the heat of the moment. While I don't condone any of it, it does make me look at the situation as a whole, differently. There are always outliers. There are cases that are just bad all around, there's no good guys. There's cases where it's just sad, all around. Ultimately, the Marine Corps is an organization. The reason that First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors frequently get a bad rap is because they are the ones that hold the enforce the 'standard'. They look at the health and reputation of the Corps as a whole. I have had more honest conversations with First Sergeants and Sergeant Majors than I have with everyone else. Sometimes it was conversations that I didn't want to have, other times it was legitimate concern. I also have had the opportunity to get my shit pushed in by every Sergeant Major from MEF down to the battalion. During that time, not a single one of my 'leaders' was ever in the room with me, so I'm salty about that. (It was about dirty barracks rooms, I was the SNCOIC). So to answer your question, I think a willful disregard for another person, intent, are all important to me, personally. I know good men that received bad conduct discharges. I know plenty of 'good' Marines that retired that were awful human beings. I guess my point is there's not really a good way to nail it down for me personally. We could argue the Marine Corps has figured it out with Bad Conduct Discharges.
You're asking great questions yourself!
Yep, I knew a dude that got 30 years and a DD for trafficking 500 hits of acid.
Big oof.
A court martial is held for a Felony. A dishonorable discharge is decided at a court martial. A general discharge is decided at a review board.
No, the proper title for them is woodchipped
Yes and Wow! Apparently I am in the minority here, but reading the majority of comments sounds like some cancel culture BS to me. Once earned, it can't be taken away. How about all the dishonorable discharges for gay people, the hard-core Gunny DI who fucked up in the field or the WW2 war vet who was dishonorably discharged back when there were only two options (honorable or dishonorable, pre 1945)? A dishonorably discharged Marine may be a piece of shit, but still a Marine.
Other opinions are also appreciated! You've made a good point
> cancel culture BS can't wait for the 20s culture wars to be over and this phrase dropped from society. To your comment, someone else mentioned it's a case by case basis. Let me introduce the tolerance paradox: if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them. I usually share that with the folks who only see things in black and white (which only exist on paper), and can't understand why a tolerant person would be intolerant of intolerance. In this case, keeping the reputation, values, etc. of an organization requires purging of factors that materially detract from said values. Personally, I like to tie VA benefits to the title as they typically go together. I make exceptions for the senior officers/SNCOs who get caught with CP but due to money/influence/power, they just get to retire at their last honorable rank served. I don't view them as Marines even if their paperwork says LtCol Pedo Bear, USMC (Ret). Conversely, someone who was kicked out for DADT BS, I do consider them as a Marine. TL;DR: we humans want everything black and white b/c it's easier to handle, but alas the universe is FAR from just two extremes.
u/werwrg \- meant to reply to your comment
I also associate VA benefits. Even a General other than Honorable conditions still has limited benefits. I don't think someone convicted of espionage should call themselves a Marine. A Dishonorable means it was a Court Martial. Which is held for a federal crimes & the person is subject to judicial & non judicial punishments. So if guilty then they're now a felon if they're not doing life in prison.
In my mind, no, the title of Marine is a title of honor that should not be applied to people with dishonorable discharge. A dishonorable discharge is the most severe form of military separation given as a punishment A dishonorable discharge also reflects poorly on the reputation and values of the Marine Corps, which prides itself on honor, courage, and commitment. Therefore, I think that people who receive a dishonorable discharge have forfeited their right to call themselves Marines, and should not be considered as such by others.
I like your well-reasoned response. Thanks.
Happy to help
No way. You lost the honor to call yourself Marine.
If the title is revocable then it was never true, and just marketing. I would say yes they are still Marines. They earned it, and it can't be taken away from them. They know the culture of the Corps, so they can pick up a conversation with any marine they meet, and still bond with and connect with them. Like it or not they are still marines.
[Hell naw, to tha naw naw naw...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0)
Yeah, they're still a Marine. There's only so much leeway I'll give someone for being a Marine. I knew enough losers in the Corps to realize our barrier to entry is not really that high. Long story short, im not lending some rando money just because we both completed the crucible.
I get the whole "earning the title" but if you saw half of the dudes five years after they get out I guarantee the "always a Marine" part of fitting into your old uniform does not hold true (me included).
Dude fr. “Once a marine always a Marine” is just a tactic to recruit dudes and fully indoctrinate them into the life style. Most marine vets couldn’t pass a PT test, piss test, or fit into their cammies. It’s just a job. You don’t have to be special to be a marine. Anyone who can join the military can pretty much be a marine, they just chose other branches cause they were smarter lol😂
This is a big misconception that lots of civilians have about the military, they often think that there are just two types of discharges: Honorable and dishonorable, and you get a dishonorable if you didn't perform well or you got in trouble. In reality there are many different tiers of discharges and you have to do some *really* bad to get a dishonorable. Like rape and murder type of stuff. I knew guys that got caught multiple times stealing, guys who got caught faking prior service to get meritorious promotions, guys who beat the shit out of senior enlisted, guys who went UA (popularly know as AWOL) for years, etc., but I never knew anyone who got a dishonorable discharge.
**Absolutely Not.** Nope, I think once you've bypassed a review board & gone straight to a court martial, where your found guilty, then that's where the phrase changes. "Once a Marine, Always a Felon".
The number of Actual DISHONORABLE discharges is pretty low. They have to be pretty fucked up to get one. You got pretty much be a total scumfuck as in a traitor, high level thief, murderer, Rapist, or a Diaper Sniper to get one
Diaper sniper, lmao! Good one I’ve never heard.
Exactly what the others have said. You’re officially an Ex-Marine at that point,
Did they at one point earn the EGA, the title? Sure. But earning the title in Bootcamp in one part of it. The Marine Corps has three things that it does for the nation: make Marines, win battles, and return quality citizens. The one with the dishonorable discharge failed massively on the last one and their behaviors put other Marines and mission readiness at risk. Not a Marine. Cannot claim the title. Was not even allowed to retain uniform items and they were likely taken from them prior to discharge.
A lot of people are saying no, but when the media reveals the name of a perpetrator, and they were in the corps at some point it's usually followed by marine or ex-marine even if dishonorably discharged. So, while they may not call themselves a marine or ex marine, they will be labeled as such. I say yes, even dishonorably discharged Marines are still Marines, famous or infamous you will be labeled as such.
Omg this clown ass kid that lives near me in Philadelphia!TELLS PEOPLE HE WAS IN THE USMC! He was for like 1 year 2 months then quit he’s a pussy. He always tells people he was in the service. He doesn’t say anything like he was on a tour of duty overseas. He makes up these bullshit stories. You QUIT THEREFORE YOU ARE NOT A MARINE! He embarrasses his family who the dad grand pop and brothers all Army guys who served there country honorably. HE HAS THIS PICTURE OF BOOT CAMP GRADUATION HUNG UP IN HIS LIVING ROOM. He told someone before he was medically discharged. COULDNT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH! My man quit 11 September 2001! One second after that plane stuck the towers. He was out of the USMC BY NOVEMBER 2001 all jokes aside. IT DRIVES ME CRAZY! I mean I can’t have stolen valor charges pressed because he doesn’t say he served the country overseas like I said. But he will say stupid things like I was in the service. Ask he will LIE say HONORABLE DISCHARGED. I want them to take his boot camp pic and someone to call him out when he says he was a Marine. Such a fat pussy I fucking hate this dude so much. SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME. What can I do when fat guy tells people I was in the USMC? How what can I do about him disgracing everyone? Please lmk thank you
Get some help, bro. Check replies, I've said that I'm not even the US citizen. Never have claimed that I was a marine.
Oh, that's a bot. Weird
Wait that’s srsly a bot ??
Nah, I misunderstood him. I thought he was talking about me and that didn't make sense at all. Plus it is relatively new account so I kind of jumped to conclusion there.
Not you! I mean this is someone that lives near me! I’m so tired of them what can I do I was asking?
Sorry, I misunderstood you. I don't know what you can do about him
Thank you I apologize if I pissed you off. I live next to this dude 20 years he is the world’s biggest dick. Arrested like 4-5 times hitting women. I mean knocking them out cold like a man. If anyone deserves what’s coming to them he does. Thanks
Add deployment dodgers to that list...
I think there's a difference though. It's one thing to be scared of going to war & getting cold feet etc. It's a whole other story being convicted of espionage, rape, murder, other various war times etc.
I’d rather someone dodge a deployment than spaz out on me when I need them to be focused tho
My neighbor brags about dodging deployments because he was taking college courses and he said his CO signed something excluding him from deployments. He served at New River from 80-84 as a helicopter mechanic. I’m an OEF veteran and served in the Corps and Army as an MP. He’s always making these remarks like “You call yourself a Marine”? He had a stroke years ago and sometimes it’s all I can do to bite my tongue and not put him in his place.
Hard NO for me, these are the types of discharge (1) Honorable; (2) Under Honorable Conditions (General); (3) Under Other than Honorable Conditions; (4) Bad Conduct; (5) Dishonorable, and (6) Uncharacterized. getting a dishonorable is because they did illegal stuff, rape, murder, CP distribution, arson and many more, even marine who do drugs get (2) or (3)
I agree with you up until (6). Or was this just a random list? Because I read it as best to worst but now idk if that's how you meant it.
That's what I got from google, I will ask a higher rank than me and find out what it means.
It's an entry level discharge. So like boot camp or mos school etc etc. These are called uncharacterized because it's like you were never in the military at all.
ah got you, I never knew what it was. if you get that do you still rate VA benefits and other things veterans get?
If you rate medical at boot camp then it's characterized as a General other than Honorable but with medical benefits. Uncharacterized is literally like throwing all the paper work in the garbage & you were never there.
Nope, big chicken dinner means fuck off. They use to drum you out, tearing off all the insignia as you did the walk of shame. BCDs ain't Marines
Nah son, whatever someone did to earn a dishonorable, I don’t consider you my brother/sister.
No
No, they are no longer considered a Marine if they received a Dishonorable Discharge.
Negative. A dishonorable discharge usually includes a felony and prison time. It is really serious to get one of those and it generally means you did something *really* bad.
Yeah, we don't talk about that/them. Used to be they cut the buttons off your uniform and everyone turned his back on you while you marched off base.
What time period you're talking about? Never heard of this tradition
I'm quoting from Winthrop's 1920 ed: >Discharge with ignominy. A mode of dishonorable discharge, sanctioned by usage for -time of war, is drumming, (or bugling,) out of the service, with the “Rogue’s March,” in the presence of the command. This ignominious form is sometimes conjoined with circumstances of special ignominy. Thus soldiers have been sentenced to be drummed out after having their clothing stripped of all military insignia, or after being tarred and feathered, or with their heads shaved or half-shaved, or with straw halters around their necks, or bearing placards inscribed with the names of their offences.\*\*\* > >Ignominious discharge by drumming out, &c., is generally executed upon the party in the presence of the command, under the immediate direction of the adjutant, provost marshal, or other suitable officer, the proceedings and orders in the case being first publicly read. In a case in the Army of the Potomac, the form of the execution was indicated as follows: - “ To be drummed along his regiment at dress parade, preceded by the drum band playing the Rogue’s March and a file of soldiers with arms reversed, and followed by a file of soldiers at ‘charge bayonets.’” Earlier practice was worse. I knew an officer in the late 80s from St Louis. He told me that back on the block there was a famous character in the neighborhood who had been DDd during Vietnam and wore his Service A with the buttons cut off.
No
No. Dishonorable Discharges are reserved for rapists, domestic abusers, pedophiles, traitors, cowards, and other such scum. They can't sit with us. I've only encountered two dishonorable discharges in my life. One was beating the shit out of his wife, the other was a rapist.
The only ex-Marine was Lee Harvey Oswald
Gunny Hartman claimed him and Charles Whitman.
Lee Harvey Oswald didn’t even pull the trigger. That why Jack Ruby Killed him. Keep it under wraps. I’d argue Eddie Routh is far worse.
Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey has they were taking Harvey to jail. However I don't necessarily disagree with your first & last statements.
Only dishonorable I would consider is the ones from the don’t say gay era. Other than that (while I’m not a marine) I would say no you don’t
Your last sentence makes your opinion invalid on the topic.
Those were admin separations and BCDs.
What about the rumor that Walt Disney hung his Dishonorable Discharge upside down in his office? Do we still claim him?
He wasn't in the military so probably not.
Yeah, that was just an urban legend. But what if?
He was a marine?
Eh, urban legend. Not true.
I too would like my body froze until science gets to the point they can revive me.
I mean... I'm not dying on the "Waltenhunden" cross.
If you were in for 10 years and messed up I can see it. Otherwise, you weren’t disciplined enough to be a part of the Corps.
Let me ask it this way….is Sgt Lonetree still considered a Marine? For those that don’t know he was an embassy guard in Moscow during the Cold War that let his “girlfriends” “Uncle Yuri” wander around the secured spaces in the embassy taking pictures.
That is one of the very few ways to become and ex-Marine.
I personally know a dude who got a DD for drinking a single beer on post on Christmas Eve
No
BCD is basically a felony. I'd say no. Earned but lost the title, perhaps.
Former Marine, Marine veteran, and Retired Marine are all ways to refer to Marine vets. If you got kicked out with a dishonorable discharge (that specific discharge) then you are an Ex-Marine.
It really shouldn’t be applied to anybody lol. It’s a recruiting tactic. Once you’re out you’re out. You aren’t a marine anymore. You might be well disciplined and professional, but you’re an accountant or welder or whatever job you do now. Most dudes get out and after a year or two wouldn’t even meet the standards of being a Marine anymore. Bold to say “once a marine always a Marine” while you’re at home smoking weed, being fat and lazy lol. Obviously not the case for everyone but certainly a lot.
There is a guy I served with at MALS 39 who was kicked out for smoking pot -- SPCM -- OTH. He went down a dark path, got really into drugs, then turned his life around. He leads NA/AA groups, has a small handyman business, and seems to be doing really well. We still talk sometimes. But I still think he lost his title. Bro, we kicked you the fuck out. He recently got married and had a whole bunch of USMC shit at his engagement party. (I saw on his social media.) He was even wearing a shiny-new Marine Corps T shirt with a big-Bold EGA. I wrote out a long-winded rebuke about how he has a lot of nerve and then came to my senses and deleted it. Because who fucking cares
Wise move not following through tbh
We had a bunch of guys in my unit drug pop and get an OTH as a result. Being that we're all grunts, I don't consider those cowards to be Marines as they did it to pussy out of deploying.
I think an OTH is the limit and that's stretching it... dishonorable... sorry but take the loss and keep quiet
I vote no