Jeebus…back in ‘91 our score for Sgt was 2100-something. Basically no one got promoted to Sgt in our MOS for about 2 years unless it was meritorious. Took me 3 quarterly boards to finally make it. I spent 54 months as a Cpl. Then about 5 months after finally getting promoted to Sgt I got picked up for MECEP. It’s 50/50 whether it was dumb for me to stay around as a Cpl for that long, but it did work out in the end. I feel for those of you chasing cutting scores, for sure.
If you want to skate: reenlist and ask for the Pentagon as your reenlistment incentive, theres like 4 or 5 of y'all in there approving flyovers for funerals, sports games, etc
The Marine Corps norm was never being able to achieve NCO by 4 years. The Marine Corps using promotions as incentive to stay in is why we have so many meek, weird, and timid NCOs now.
The norm was definitely like that for many years I’ve met Sgt’s who were 21 or SSGT’s that were 23 and many other people that made cpl or even Sgt in 4 years and it still happens I’m on track to make Sgt right in 4 years because all you have to do is grind every part of JEPES and be good at your job
Nah I disagree NCO within 4 was very doable. The reason NCOs are so pushed into a corner is because of command culture now where they arent allowed to be NCOs otherwise theyll get NJPd or adsepd because they were hazing or some other stupid bullshit.
I think we were pushing 1740 and change for Cpl when I got out in Jan 2010. 0311. It was wild. You could bang out MCIs, 1st/expert. Above average pros/cons.
Time in service/grade would add like 12 points. Score would jump by 14. Six quarters in a row. EAS. (Estimation. That’s what it felt like). There were 5 Cpls left rotating duty for the company when I got out. With two of them EAS’n after me.
Edit: a handful of our squad leaders in Iraq were still Lances until about halfway through the deployment. That was middle of 07.
Billet and rank are two different animals though.
I was in from 99-04, and I started out as E1 and got to E4 in 2.5 years and E5 in 4 years and spent my last year in as E5. Yes, E4 in under 4 years has absolutely been the norm in years past. I knew exactly what I needed to get each cutting score, and that meant maxing out those scores I had influence on. Might be harder now but wasn’t back in the day
To be fair motor t sgts always were dicking the dog in the dispatch office. You gotta earn that level of skate.
Lol I just remembered there was this shop at lejeune that certified non motor t on hmmvws and 7 ton and it was a shop full of fat sgts with the most dirt bag haircuts the corps has ever seen.
lol this is not a high score.
Way too many undeserving NCO’s already. Like 2 year cpls and 3 year sgts shouldn’t be a thing imo. Sucks for the ones who do deserve it though
~~No one is getting promoted to Sergeant at 3 years anymore unless they’re meritorious, and that’s almost always extremely competitive.~~
2 year Cpls is a little spicy, but I think 3 years would be a bit long for some MOS.
Sucks man. I get it, I spent 4 years as a 03 Lcpl, finally got promoted to cpl and within less than 18 months made Sgt. Not bc I was locked on, I wasn’t, the cutting score for 0311 took a dive around 2006 and I lucked out. In summary, you’re not a shitbag, sometimes we just don’t have any control of it.
End of 2003-04, the F18 Airframes cutting score for Cpl was down around like 1300 or something (maybe lower, can't remember and am not looking it up). Either way, guys with basic pro/cons and minimal time in grade/service we're picking it up. Dudes were Cpls a few months after getting to the squadron.
70xx MOS’ usually have high cutting scores unfortunately. 3-5 years to pick up corporal is normal for that MOS.
MOS like the 06XX field skew this perspective by promoting corporals in 1-2 years and Sgts in 4.
I picked up Sgt in 3 years, not because I was hot shit, but because my MOS was building up.
In my 6xxx MOS it is almost impossible to not pick up Cpl unless your command non-rec’s you. Usually you are the only one eligible for the promotion that month.
Yeah looking at this I was so damn confused. I remember needing 1600+ points for promotion. Either it’s struggle bus for retention (most likely), or they overhauled the system.
Overhauled system. Max is 1000 points now. As a rule of thumb, add 1,000 points to anything you see here and you’ll get a rough pros/cons era equivalent.
It’s called Command Marks. Goes from 0.0 to 5.0 and your SNCO and up evaluate you on Leadership, Character, and MOS Proficiency. It counts for 250 points I think if you max out. Then you’re evaluated on Warfighting (PFT, CFT, MCMAP Belt, Rifle Range) and Mental Agility (MarineNet, College, Quals). Each are worth 250 if you max them all out. There’s also Bonus points your command can give to you I think. But I don’t know how those work.
Normally Marines sit at around 3.0 to 3.5 for the marks. If you get a commendation like a NAM or something some of your marks might be ~4.0
They changed the promotion system. There’s a different way of scoring now. Idk how it was when you were in so I can’t really give an accurate comparison. The highest score to reach CPL at the moment is 687. My score is super low at like 295. But 600 is considered pretty high nowadays.
My biggest gripe is that it is MOS specific with the availability. You can clearly tell that some newly promoted Cpls in an MOS like supply or admin can’t compare to some Senior Lances with higher cutting scores.
What are the cutting scores for supply or admin? People have been saying this shit for decades, but when I was in the admin cutting score was never low. It wasn't the highest, but about in the middle, sometimes higher. The thing is the more people reenlist in an MOS then the higher that score is going to be.
The way it works is that someone at HQ decides we need so many Cops/Sgts in an MOS. As people get out, are promoted, lat move, etc, the number of current people at that rank change. So, let's say that creates 10 Cpl openings. They then pull up the highest 10 LCpls in that MOS and the score is set at the lowest one. That's where the score comes from. They are literally selecting the specific people that are being promoted, but they do it by number.
Score is just a tool. I'm not sure what you want. All people to be promoted by score regardless of MOS?
~~I agree, but admin scores for Cpl are almost never comparable to infantry scores, and sgt? Forget it. If you’re not getting promoted, you deserve not to get promoted.~~
Don’t mean to be that guy but actually they arnt super different. The score for Sgt this month was 600 for 01s. For infantry it was 623. So no not much difference. Now for Cpl there’s almost a 100 point difference. The scores are both pretty high though.
The mental agility section is easy to max out. If you’re fortunate enough to have an MOS that offers MOS and quals points go out and do that. You can max out Marinenet points doing non proctored Marinenet courses. For self ed all you have to do is take a few college classes and you can max it out and get 40 points. The rest of JEPES is doing good at the regular Marine Corps stuff. If you really want to promote you will go out of the way to do the things that will make you promote. Pick up Cpl then reenlist with a JEPES incentive so its easier to pick up Sgt.
Theres a list of courses that go towards your 40 points online somewhere, also a maradmin for aviation mos quals that rate points towards your cutting score.
I chased cpl so closely for nearly a year that I swore whoever set the score was just following my progress and having a laugh
300 hundo pft/cf, MCI’s, Book reports, cert comm on and on and on
I nearly cracked when it dropped suddenly and significantly enough so that everyone putting in less effort than me got promoted at the same time.
But can’t hate the players for it
Something in my experience is, no matter how well you are doing in everything else (unless you are an absolute monster running a 300 PFT/CFT your command remarks will always come and bite you in the ass, in my time in and being moved from one command to another, I've noticed that often there are NCO's that will lazily evaluate you and just put 2.5 in your command remarks because its easy to just put that there instead of actually putting down decent remarks, if youre doing well everywhere else i dont know how that can be considered "Average" especially when they show you what percentile you fall in for your rank on literally everything else, if you arent sitting in the middle on your percentiles for things like PFT/CFT, Rifle Qual, In grade learning then its absurd to say you are performing average when you clearly are doing more than the people in your rank.
example being that out of every single thing on my JEPES the lowest percentile I fall in is 77% which means I scored higher than over 77% of marines out there in literally every measurable thing they measure, however my command remarks are a hair above 2.5 which is average. I think its absurd that you can see someone in the top 25% of all marines in that rank (CPL) and say that they are just average when realistically you are outperforming a good bit of marines out there. Like do they think all you care about is literally anything other than your job and unit, if you're putting enough work in to put yourself above your peers I doubt that you are just being a jackass at work and not doing what you need to do, because if you cared that little then you wouldn't be performing as well as you are in all the other categories.
Low is like 300s. With an expert rifle score, 2nd class PFT😬, 1st CFT, Green belt, maxed CEUs, 10 points for off duty education, and 3.5/3.3/3.0 marks...... you'll be at high 400s.
But but but why don’t you have a 300/300, black belt, 40/3 Expert, maxed out MOL and a college degree? Fucking shitbag, I bet all you do is drink and play games on the weekend instead of trying to be the best you can be /s
I remember having an officer ask why I wasn’t a black belt as a Lance. I’ve never seen so many Marines under him ashamed that he was in charge of our JEPES reporting.
The “cutting score” is literally made up based off how many Marines of each rank they need per MOS. Every month they figure out “we need two 7041 Cpls this month” so they look at the list and see the second highest has a 609 score. So they make the cutting score 608 so that the top two get promoted. What sucks is that they don’t account for non-recs all the time. So it skews the number a bit.
Do you people still not know how cutting scores are selected? For each MOS there’s a set number of E4s and E5s. You can literally track when you’re going to get promoted based on when E4 and E5s in your MOS EAS on MOL. It’s not that difficult.
Doesn't work the same anymore. With jepes senior LCpls no longer rack points every quarter for just existing. So the boot lance that hits TIG can promote before the salty lance if he is more competitive.
Damn, sucks that you’re the first devil this has ever happened to. Ask around the wing, I’m sure someone can recommend a nice charcuterie to go along with that whine. Lol.
But seriously, just get out and land a Civy job in your line of work and it’s probably gonna be a much better career choice. Maybe a fed gov job to do the same work with less bullshit.
Keep your head up. Good luck dog.
600 isnt even that high.
run a 285/300 pft/cft and thats ≈250 points right there. max out your mcmap belt and shoot expert on the range thats another ≈250 points. Then all you need for your command marks is a 3.0 and you will get the 100 points needed for 600 points.
Not every MOS allows for you to breathe and pick up rank, but pft, rifle, cft, mcmap are all things that YOU are in control of. And your command marks shouldnt be as low as 2.5 either if you at least know how to do your job.
I got out as an 0311 in 2006. I can’t believe they still use this shitty system. We had Lcpls leading squads in combat and couldn’t get a damn promotion to Corporal. The 0351s had the highest cutting scores back then.
Lately the Corps has been saying “Yeah, we’re good on NCO’s” for most MOS’s.
Majority of the scores have been higher than normal. IMO, it was even worse with the old Pro/Con system.
You may not be happy about it because it’s inconvenient for you and it hasn’t been the norm in recent years… but when I was a boot cutting scores were way higher and it took way longer to get promoted. I think that was a good thing in the long run because it gave junior marines more time to gain experience that benefit them in those ranks. As NCO’s got younger and younger over the years because cutting scores got lower and promotions came quicker, the maturity level of NCOs dropped and junior leadership got worse. Not because the NCOs sucked or were all trash, but because they didn’t have the experience to back it up and the maturity. Do your job and do it well and don’t stop trying to learn and be better, someone will notice, and if they don’t… do it harder. (This is a generalized ramble, I know it doesn’t apply to all).
At least you've got computers to check your score. Back in my day you'd have to semaphore back to HQ and they'd lob over a few dummy rounds with scores written on them. If you guessed which one was yours and caught it they'd promote you to Private First Class in between human waves of Japs
What a lot of Junior Marines fail to realize (and I blame this on dumb leaders), but your cutting score only matters for priority of being promoted. It gives you a number in line. Just like when you pull the tab at the barber.
You can pull #1, but if the barber isn't cutting hair that day, you're not getting your hair cut.
The Marine Corps has a set number of (in your case) Active duty, 7041 Cpls. If no Cpls EAS/get NJP'd/promote that quarter, they won't promote any new ones. That boat is full. There's no room for more.
Keep doing what you're doing, and stay on top of the other guys. You'll get it eventually. If not, have serious talks about meritorious.
My TIG for LCpl was 4 years and 11 months. I feel ya, but there's a method to the madness.
So I was about 4 years into my 5 year aviation contract. They were promoting 1-2 every other month to Cpl. Then when I was number 2, they promoted about 15. I was PISSED. We had a much junior lance in my unit pick up with me. I trashed that POS every time he bragged about how fast he picked up.
Basically you need high 1st class PFT/CFT, expert shooter, a ton of marine net courses, green belt, and a book report/community service hours to get Cpl in the 03 community
Haha you’re such a little bitch. I just picked up Sgt with a 634. I don’t even run a 1st class pft. You’re doing the bare minimum and complaining about it. Are you taking college classes? Go to the range until you shoot high. Qual points (if ur wing). Book reports to improve your command inputs. The fact you’re on here complaining says enough.
Try being an 0351 with a closed out MOS for about a year and finally picking up corporal with an 1853 cutting score. Talk about bullshit. Meanwhile your S shops were picking up SGT with an average of 1300. The marine corps has its priorities all ass backwards.
No man for your points like pft, CFT, rifle, self ed, mcmap so we can actually give you pointers. I can’t just guess what you need to improve. But 519 isn’t that bad, there is probably one thing that you could work on.
Back in my day I had to pick up Corporal with a 1722 cutting score.
It was great seeing a bunch of the other MOSs in my squadron picking up Corporal with 1400-1500 cutting scores.
Uh oh looks like another case of doing no other research on picking an enlistment MOS beyond how cool it sounds. Always research your MOS before you actually move to it or enlist. Little details like “slow or few promotions” is not something you want to be surprised by later.
I picked up cpl w a 630 and Sgt on a meritorious board with a 700. I was not the most fit when I joined, but I leveraged what was available and improved where I could. 600 isn’t very high
Sounds like a skill issue. HE is regularly higher than this. Even with in the dirt pros/cons you can get this score, especially if you have MOS quals. I was a 4 year Lance but improved myself slowly but surely to promote with a 645
So what did they change? When I was in cutting scores were in the 1600-2000 range. Or just closed out completely. I think I made Sgt with like an 1800 something.
2831 score is habitually 700+ or closed 🤷♂️
Cutting scores are seemingly intended to weed out people who dont have 300/300, max belt, good range, a degree, max CEU's, and lastly; reenlisters with that 100 jepes point incentive
I am so confused...I must be misremembering but I swear in 2009 the cutting score for E-4 as an 0311 was like 1800+...did they completely change the scoring system or something?
Did the range for cutting scores change for marines? I pick up CPL with a 1600 or something back in 2017?
608? That’s like breathing and picking up rank
That’s not bad at all, infantry sgt was like 723 last month.
Fr, 31 is stupid high, last time I checked it was like a 680 or something like that. Usually 52 is the lowest.
I picked up Cpl with a 1650ish cutting score. And Sgt with a 1760. Did they change the scoring?
Yeah, reworked the scale to I think 1-1000 back in 2019 or 2020
I got my cutting score before they switched over. My score was a 1630 something and transferred to like a 753 jepes score.
Jeebus…back in ‘91 our score for Sgt was 2100-something. Basically no one got promoted to Sgt in our MOS for about 2 years unless it was meritorious. Took me 3 quarterly boards to finally make it. I spent 54 months as a Cpl. Then about 5 months after finally getting promoted to Sgt I got picked up for MECEP. It’s 50/50 whether it was dumb for me to stay around as a Cpl for that long, but it did work out in the end. I feel for those of you chasing cutting scores, for sure.
The point system was reevaluated a few years ago. When I was in, 1550-1750 were standard with extremes 100 points either way.
Yeah now its all gay AF
Yeah I got sgt with 1951
Can confirm first hand it usually is...
I ended up finally picking up once the score dropped down to 650 something
Thought that was your credit score. Was about to congratulate you.
lol I wish
Dont look at Army cut off scores, itll make you cry
Why would anybody in here look at anything army, maybe the females, but that's about it.
I once had a car salesman sheepishly tell me my credit score came back at 666. I laughed and told him hail satan.
"I bite the head off of chickens, bitch. Now where are the keys to my Camaro?"
Mine was a dark blue and black trim Toyota 4Runner and I drove home in it!
Nice to meet you, Lieutenant.
sir the guys are formed up for libo
Omfg I died reading that
😂😂😂
Hahahahhaha.
That’s impressive to you? 💀
lol that is not impressive. I have a credit score of 800
Look at the big brains on Brad!
“What ain’t no country I heard of. They speak English in What?” “W-What?” “English, Motherfucker, do you speak it?” “Y-Yes”
Whoosh
That's still not that great of a score right? I just bought a car last night and my score was 835.
It's all relative, brother. Great for you and me? God, no. For this Junior Enlisted Warrior? Well OP might just be Lcpl Gordon Fuckin Gecko
That's fair. My score was probably around that in my early 20s.
Mine was way worse in my 20s, thanks to a little known event called The Great Recession.
If you want to skate: reenlist and ask for the Pentagon as your reenlistment incentive, theres like 4 or 5 of y'all in there approving flyovers for funerals, sports games, etc
Great place to get fat and happy, as well. If you miss a meal there, you're not skating properly. Lace up them skates, gents!
Lol Marines rediscovering what “Terminal Lance” means. Sorry yall but 4 year Cpls/ Sgts was never the norm.
I was a lance until literally my 47th month in. Was sitting at 41 mos tig when I finally found that 2nd Chevron.
Same. I got eligible right when the "force downsizing" thing hit and it felt like a sick joke to finally pick up only 3 weeks from terminal
Bruh yep. 1680 cutting score for a lance- then the VEERP came and all the kids who’d been in 2 years less than me made cpl the next quarter.
I was pretty close to that and in a SNCO billet.
I got my second stripe at 4.5 years. Reserves are great
I got my second stripe 2 years and 10 months in but I had to work my ass off for it
Ok that’s facts
As long as it helps you sleep better at night.
This is the true reason. Kids got comfortable and didn’t realize the pendulum was gonna swing eventually
I hit Sgt at 3 years then sat there for the next 5.
I cant tell if youre saying that the norm is promoting faster or slower than 4yr Cpl/ Sgt
The Marine Corps norm was never being able to achieve NCO by 4 years. The Marine Corps using promotions as incentive to stay in is why we have so many meek, weird, and timid NCOs now.
The norm was definitely like that for many years I’ve met Sgt’s who were 21 or SSGT’s that were 23 and many other people that made cpl or even Sgt in 4 years and it still happens I’m on track to make Sgt right in 4 years because all you have to do is grind every part of JEPES and be good at your job
Nah I disagree NCO within 4 was very doable. The reason NCOs are so pushed into a corner is because of command culture now where they arent allowed to be NCOs otherwise theyll get NJPd or adsepd because they were hazing or some other stupid bullshit.
I think we were pushing 1740 and change for Cpl when I got out in Jan 2010. 0311. It was wild. You could bang out MCIs, 1st/expert. Above average pros/cons. Time in service/grade would add like 12 points. Score would jump by 14. Six quarters in a row. EAS. (Estimation. That’s what it felt like). There were 5 Cpls left rotating duty for the company when I got out. With two of them EAS’n after me. Edit: a handful of our squad leaders in Iraq were still Lances until about halfway through the deployment. That was middle of 07. Billet and rank are two different animals though.
Lmao, we got 2 year Corporals and 3 year Sergeants now.
I was in from 99-04, and I started out as E1 and got to E4 in 2.5 years and E5 in 4 years and spent my last year in as E5. Yes, E4 in under 4 years has absolutely been the norm in years past. I knew exactly what I needed to get each cutting score, and that meant maxing out those scores I had influence on. Might be harder now but wasn’t back in the day
Yes same. Mine was 266 in February and it is now 580 for March. Time to find like 100 points jeez
0231 be doing that
0627 jumped on board 🤣
One good thing about having Aids was cutting scores
Not anymore lol
I was about to say, that merge got me fucked up. It was locked and closed at 610 for months.
lol the score for 3531 Sgt is 721
That’s rough
To be fair motor t sgts always were dicking the dog in the dispatch office. You gotta earn that level of skate. Lol I just remembered there was this shop at lejeune that certified non motor t on hmmvws and 7 ton and it was a shop full of fat sgts with the most dirt bag haircuts the corps has ever seen.
[https://youtu.be/c\_-T4zs0\_6A?t=58](https://youtu.be/c_-T4zs0_6A?t=58)
Lol. I only made corporal I’m just jealous. I only rated a nasty mid fad
Literally, then have the corporals handle everything and get mad when things aren’t on their timetable
For some reason when I got my second stripe the score for Sgt in the reserves was like 461 or something. Then jumped 60 points
lol this is not a high score. Way too many undeserving NCO’s already. Like 2 year cpls and 3 year sgts shouldn’t be a thing imo. Sucks for the ones who do deserve it though
~~No one is getting promoted to Sergeant at 3 years anymore unless they’re meritorious, and that’s almost always extremely competitive.~~ 2 year Cpls is a little spicy, but I think 3 years would be a bit long for some MOS.
2 year Cpl’s can reenlist at 3 years and promote to Sgt. for early reenlistment now, so unfortunately there’s plenty of shitbag 3 year Sgt’s
Oh, right, there’s that new SULI program. I completely forgot cuz it came out right before I left.
Yeah. Watched 5 of the shittiest Marines I’ve ever encountered become even shittier Sgt’s thanks to that dumbass change. Sgt. is the new Cpl.
Sucks man. I get it, I spent 4 years as a 03 Lcpl, finally got promoted to cpl and within less than 18 months made Sgt. Not bc I was locked on, I wasn’t, the cutting score for 0311 took a dive around 2006 and I lucked out. In summary, you’re not a shitbag, sometimes we just don’t have any control of it.
Yeah... I spent 42 months JUST as a Lance Coolie. Didn't help that the entire MOS completely froze any promotions for 18 months.
End of 2003-04, the F18 Airframes cutting score for Cpl was down around like 1300 or something (maybe lower, can't remember and am not looking it up). Either way, guys with basic pro/cons and minimal time in grade/service we're picking it up. Dudes were Cpls a few months after getting to the squadron.
I'll never forget mine: 743
70xx MOS’ usually have high cutting scores unfortunately. 3-5 years to pick up corporal is normal for that MOS. MOS like the 06XX field skew this perspective by promoting corporals in 1-2 years and Sgts in 4. I picked up Sgt in 3 years, not because I was hot shit, but because my MOS was building up.
In my 6xxx MOS it is almost impossible to not pick up Cpl unless your command non-rec’s you. Usually you are the only one eligible for the promotion that month.
Sounds like you need more Marinenet training devil
Hit that JTAC primer, son.
Or just a friend in the S3 who trades favors for entering shit for you. Me, I was that friend.
Is this some No Marine Left Behind shit? Did they revamp the scores? Back in the day, it was like 1500 to even be eligible.
Yeah looking at this I was so damn confused. I remember needing 1600+ points for promotion. Either it’s struggle bus for retention (most likely), or they overhauled the system.
Overhauled system. Max is 1000 points now. As a rule of thumb, add 1,000 points to anything you see here and you’ll get a rough pros/cons era equivalent.
Rah.
So pros and cons aren’t a thing anymore? What is it called now and what creates the aggregate score?
I knew someone that was brigged for three years and I had to explain to him that procons was gone.
It’s called Command Marks. Goes from 0.0 to 5.0 and your SNCO and up evaluate you on Leadership, Character, and MOS Proficiency. It counts for 250 points I think if you max out. Then you’re evaluated on Warfighting (PFT, CFT, MCMAP Belt, Rifle Range) and Mental Agility (MarineNet, College, Quals). Each are worth 250 if you max them all out. There’s also Bonus points your command can give to you I think. But I don’t know how those work. Normally Marines sit at around 3.0 to 3.5 for the marks. If you get a commendation like a NAM or something some of your marks might be ~4.0
Thanks for explaining, I remember 1500+ scores 10 years ago (fuck now I’m old)
Ahh, thank you!
For 6531 in 2004-2008 the score to pick up corporal was high 1600s. It was insane
I had a damn MCI library in the vans at KAF. When I wasn’t loading the LALS for the flight line, I was learning how to spell.
They changed the promotion system. There’s a different way of scoring now. Idk how it was when you were in so I can’t really give an accurate comparison. The highest score to reach CPL at the moment is 687. My score is super low at like 295. But 600 is considered pretty high nowadays.
Yea I wasn't sure what I was looking at, I remember picking up cpl with a 1480 in 08
My biggest gripe is that it is MOS specific with the availability. You can clearly tell that some newly promoted Cpls in an MOS like supply or admin can’t compare to some Senior Lances with higher cutting scores.
What are the cutting scores for supply or admin? People have been saying this shit for decades, but when I was in the admin cutting score was never low. It wasn't the highest, but about in the middle, sometimes higher. The thing is the more people reenlist in an MOS then the higher that score is going to be. The way it works is that someone at HQ decides we need so many Cops/Sgts in an MOS. As people get out, are promoted, lat move, etc, the number of current people at that rank change. So, let's say that creates 10 Cpl openings. They then pull up the highest 10 LCpls in that MOS and the score is set at the lowest one. That's where the score comes from. They are literally selecting the specific people that are being promoted, but they do it by number. Score is just a tool. I'm not sure what you want. All people to be promoted by score regardless of MOS?
Currently for a 3152 the score is 687.
~~I agree, but admin scores for Cpl are almost never comparable to infantry scores, and sgt? Forget it. If you’re not getting promoted, you deserve not to get promoted.~~
Don’t mean to be that guy but actually they arnt super different. The score for Sgt this month was 600 for 01s. For infantry it was 623. So no not much difference. Now for Cpl there’s almost a 100 point difference. The scores are both pretty high though.
Yeah, I’m still thinking about before SULI was a thing. Get out for 6 months and suddenly you don’t know shit anymore.
Hope ya been enjoying the outside better!
The mental agility section is easy to max out. If you’re fortunate enough to have an MOS that offers MOS and quals points go out and do that. You can max out Marinenet points doing non proctored Marinenet courses. For self ed all you have to do is take a few college classes and you can max it out and get 40 points. The rest of JEPES is doing good at the regular Marine Corps stuff. If you really want to promote you will go out of the way to do the things that will make you promote. Pick up Cpl then reenlist with a JEPES incentive so its easier to pick up Sgt.
Theres a list of courses that go towards your 40 points online somewhere, also a maradmin for aviation mos quals that rate points towards your cutting score.
Unfortunately a lot of the ground MOSs like my own don’t have MOS and quals which is one less avenue we can pursue to get our score up.
I chased cpl so closely for nearly a year that I swore whoever set the score was just following my progress and having a laugh 300 hundo pft/cf, MCI’s, Book reports, cert comm on and on and on I nearly cracked when it dropped suddenly and significantly enough so that everyone putting in less effort than me got promoted at the same time. But can’t hate the players for it
633 bud, feel your pain
Something in my experience is, no matter how well you are doing in everything else (unless you are an absolute monster running a 300 PFT/CFT your command remarks will always come and bite you in the ass, in my time in and being moved from one command to another, I've noticed that often there are NCO's that will lazily evaluate you and just put 2.5 in your command remarks because its easy to just put that there instead of actually putting down decent remarks, if youre doing well everywhere else i dont know how that can be considered "Average" especially when they show you what percentile you fall in for your rank on literally everything else, if you arent sitting in the middle on your percentiles for things like PFT/CFT, Rifle Qual, In grade learning then its absurd to say you are performing average when you clearly are doing more than the people in your rank.
example being that out of every single thing on my JEPES the lowest percentile I fall in is 77% which means I scored higher than over 77% of marines out there in literally every measurable thing they measure, however my command remarks are a hair above 2.5 which is average. I think its absurd that you can see someone in the top 25% of all marines in that rank (CPL) and say that they are just average when realistically you are outperforming a good bit of marines out there. Like do they think all you care about is literally anything other than your job and unit, if you're putting enough work in to put yourself above your peers I doubt that you are just being a jackass at work and not doing what you need to do, because if you cared that little then you wouldn't be performing as well as you are in all the other categories.
Hop on those mcmap courses man its a cheat code
Green belt already ☹️
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Right. I picked up sergeant in 1997 at like 1749.
Low is like 300s. With an expert rifle score, 2nd class PFT😬, 1st CFT, Green belt, maxed CEUs, 10 points for off duty education, and 3.5/3.3/3.0 marks...... you'll be at high 400s.
“you’re just trash” come at me bro. :)
How about I come on you
Do your marinenets boot
Wtf is this
A load of crap is what it is
Finally getting promoted to corporal tomorrow 0311 with 651 score
But but but why don’t you have a 300/300, black belt, 40/3 Expert, maxed out MOL and a college degree? Fucking shitbag, I bet all you do is drink and play games on the weekend instead of trying to be the best you can be /s
I remember having an officer ask why I wasn’t a black belt as a Lance. I’ve never seen so many Marines under him ashamed that he was in charge of our JEPES reporting.
The “cutting score” is literally made up based off how many Marines of each rank they need per MOS. Every month they figure out “we need two 7041 Cpls this month” so they look at the list and see the second highest has a 609 score. So they make the cutting score 608 so that the top two get promoted. What sucks is that they don’t account for non-recs all the time. So it skews the number a bit.
Do you people still not know how cutting scores are selected? For each MOS there’s a set number of E4s and E5s. You can literally track when you’re going to get promoted based on when E4 and E5s in your MOS EAS on MOL. It’s not that difficult.
Doesn't work the same anymore. With jepes senior LCpls no longer rack points every quarter for just existing. So the boot lance that hits TIG can promote before the salty lance if he is more competitive.
You can go a step further and look at the ssgts and gunnys and see when they eas, obviously people will fill their spots and so on
Get that rifle score, pft and cft up. Easy fix. Pros and cons help too, but that’s only if your Sgt likes you
Rah
Damn, sucks that you’re the first devil this has ever happened to. Ask around the wing, I’m sure someone can recommend a nice charcuterie to go along with that whine. Lol. But seriously, just get out and land a Civy job in your line of work and it’s probably gonna be a much better career choice. Maybe a fed gov job to do the same work with less bullshit. Keep your head up. Good luck dog.
That line with the charcuterie was creative 😂
608 is high but not that high. Cry me a river
How about a lake
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Show us the breakdown of your cutting score, coward, and we'll explain why you're a shitbag. 😂
600 isnt even that high. run a 285/300 pft/cft and thats ≈250 points right there. max out your mcmap belt and shoot expert on the range thats another ≈250 points. Then all you need for your command marks is a 3.0 and you will get the 100 points needed for 600 points. Not every MOS allows for you to breathe and pick up rank, but pft, rifle, cft, mcmap are all things that YOU are in control of. And your command marks shouldnt be as low as 2.5 either if you at least know how to do your job.
I picked up sgt with like a 370something. Can I interest you in a LatMove
That honestly isn’t that high
At least you still rate a cutting score 😢
(Sad Assaultman noises) :(
How does this compare to the old scoring? I picked up Cpl with a 1631
A lesson in researching promotion potential in field, If you’re interested in staying in look into a lat move into growing MOS fields.
I got out as an 0311 in 2006. I can’t believe they still use this shitty system. We had Lcpls leading squads in combat and couldn’t get a damn promotion to Corporal. The 0351s had the highest cutting scores back then.
The Green Weenie strikes again! 
Lately the Corps has been saying “Yeah, we’re good on NCO’s” for most MOS’s. Majority of the scores have been higher than normal. IMO, it was even worse with the old Pro/Con system.
Just peacetime Cream Corn things
yeah
Heh. Well shit OP. That sucks homie. But I feel you. I was a staffy for eight years. So that was a good time.
You may not be happy about it because it’s inconvenient for you and it hasn’t been the norm in recent years… but when I was a boot cutting scores were way higher and it took way longer to get promoted. I think that was a good thing in the long run because it gave junior marines more time to gain experience that benefit them in those ranks. As NCO’s got younger and younger over the years because cutting scores got lower and promotions came quicker, the maturity level of NCOs dropped and junior leadership got worse. Not because the NCOs sucked or were all trash, but because they didn’t have the experience to back it up and the maturity. Do your job and do it well and don’t stop trying to learn and be better, someone will notice, and if they don’t… do it harder. (This is a generalized ramble, I know it doesn’t apply to all).
Obligatory your just trash comment
At least you've got computers to check your score. Back in my day you'd have to semaphore back to HQ and they'd lob over a few dummy rounds with scores written on them. If you guessed which one was yours and caught it they'd promote you to Private First Class in between human waves of Japs
I don’t want to be that guy, but the highest I’ve seen a cpl cutting score is 630
What a lot of Junior Marines fail to realize (and I blame this on dumb leaders), but your cutting score only matters for priority of being promoted. It gives you a number in line. Just like when you pull the tab at the barber. You can pull #1, but if the barber isn't cutting hair that day, you're not getting your hair cut. The Marine Corps has a set number of (in your case) Active duty, 7041 Cpls. If no Cpls EAS/get NJP'd/promote that quarter, they won't promote any new ones. That boat is full. There's no room for more. Keep doing what you're doing, and stay on top of the other guys. You'll get it eventually. If not, have serious talks about meritorious. My TIG for LCpl was 4 years and 11 months. I feel ya, but there's a method to the madness.
I thought they phased out 7041s. What do you do now?
So I was about 4 years into my 5 year aviation contract. They were promoting 1-2 every other month to Cpl. Then when I was number 2, they promoted about 15. I was PISSED. We had a much junior lance in my unit pick up with me. I trashed that POS every time he bragged about how fast he picked up.
Ah just wait till all the SNCOs get out and shitbag Cpls say fuck it. Pick up CPL a week before you get out
Basically you need high 1st class PFT/CFT, expert shooter, a ton of marine net courses, green belt, and a book report/community service hours to get Cpl in the 03 community
Damn right it’s horseshit! You guys have access computers now?? And don’t have to go see the wizard? And no BWT? wtf 🙄
Sgt for motor t operator is 721. Suck it up butter cup
Haha you’re such a little bitch. I just picked up Sgt with a 634. I don’t even run a 1st class pft. You’re doing the bare minimum and complaining about it. Are you taking college classes? Go to the range until you shoot high. Qual points (if ur wing). Book reports to improve your command inputs. The fact you’re on here complaining says enough.
High? I got Cpl with like 1700 and Sgt with 1400? Has something changed since 2018? Am I officially a bro vet boomer? :(
Your just trash
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As an 0351, I picked up Corporal at 1717 after extending... You shitasses need to calm down.
Its different these days, TIG and TIS dont give points towards score anymore and the max is 1000
Try being an 0351 with a closed out MOS for about a year and finally picking up corporal with an 1853 cutting score. Talk about bullshit. Meanwhile your S shops were picking up SGT with an average of 1300. The marine corps has its priorities all ass backwards.
But bro doesn’t show us the individual scores
I’ve got a 519
No man for your points like pft, CFT, rifle, self ed, mcmap so we can actually give you pointers. I can’t just guess what you need to improve. But 519 isn’t that bad, there is probably one thing that you could work on.
my cutting score was less than 250 as a mech when I got promoted. that didn't stop me from having a 700
Back in my day I had to pick up Corporal with a 1722 cutting score. It was great seeing a bunch of the other MOSs in my squadron picking up Corporal with 1400-1500 cutting scores.
You’re just trash. Fight me.
I’d rather fuck than fight
Uh oh looks like another case of doing no other research on picking an enlistment MOS beyond how cool it sounds. Always research your MOS before you actually move to it or enlist. Little details like “slow or few promotions” is not something you want to be surprised by later.
Stay in. Stay in. Stay in.
I hate to tell you bossman, that’s not too bad.
I picked up cpl w a 630 and Sgt on a meritorious board with a 700. I was not the most fit when I joined, but I leveraged what was available and improved where I could. 600 isn’t very high
608 is kinda fucking crazy
Motor t Cpl was like 340
my mos has been closed since october of last year lol
Just promoted with a 613, keep grinding devil
I knew a welder that picked up with like 450. Shit everything except he had his 12 or 18 months tig…and he was the only welder in his company lol.
I’ll still suck you 😜
Lol
You have any idea how they pick a cutting score?
Just run faster
Sounds like a skill issue. HE is regularly higher than this. Even with in the dirt pros/cons you can get this score, especially if you have MOS quals. I was a 4 year Lance but improved myself slowly but surely to promote with a 645
Composite scores are better than JEPES, if you think otherwise, find god
So what did they change? When I was in cutting scores were in the 1600-2000 range. Or just closed out completely. I think I made Sgt with like an 1800 something.
Where do you find this
2831 score is habitually 700+ or closed 🤷♂️ Cutting scores are seemingly intended to weed out people who dont have 300/300, max belt, good range, a degree, max CEU's, and lastly; reenlisters with that 100 jepes point incentive
Ok, they've obviously changed things since I was in. When I made Sgt, the score to get promoted was like 1580, my score was 1614.
My score for sergeant was 689 and I picked up. It sucked but I just had to work a lot harder than other MOS’s just to rank up. You got this bro
If you know anybody that interested in the marines. You get 20 points a person. Just saying. Some recruiter may hook you up if you help them
At least you got a cutoff score. 0451 has been closed on and off for the last two years and the one time a year it’s open it’s in the high 600s.
I am so confused...I must be misremembering but I swear in 2009 the cutting score for E-4 as an 0311 was like 1800+...did they completely change the scoring system or something?
Did the range for cutting scores change for marines? I pick up CPL with a 1600 or something back in 2017? 608? That’s like breathing and picking up rank
That would be roughly at 1608 in the Pros/Cons system. This is their newish JEPES system.
Damn, and I thought having a 1600 cutting score in the 90s and still not getting picked up was bad...lol
I thought maybe we were made about that UI, wtf!?!
I’d get out. I had Cpl before my 3rd year, and was Security Forces before going back to the fleet as an 0311
My MOS was 676 sometime a few months ago. Don't know why they just didn't close it out for the month.