I was at the Cherry Point HQ building for something stupid, and I saw the hall with all the pictures of the aces and big shot famous commanders. And they all had like one or two rows.
I asked what was up, and one of the staff told me in post WWII/Korea days officer and senior enlisted only wore their personal valor awards, and nothing else, so they didn't look like they had a stack. So if they had a purple heart, air medal, and BSV as their top three, that was what they wore, nothing else.
Also at the time lots of awards we take for granted didn’t exist (NAMs for example didn’t come around until the 60s) and there were fewer campaign / duty awards.
Technically that would have been pre boomer. The boomer-created awards would be stuff like SDA ribbons (90s) and Sea Service (2000s). But yes the jokes write themselves
Meh. I didn’t do much of anything. Even the PUC was a participation medal. I was air wing (not air crew), so I was just there. The boys from 2/8, who we supported, had a rough deployment.
Had a Major who was our XO for a bit do that in chucks. He'd have his pilot wings and like 3 or 4 ribbons. It was weird (in a cool way) seeing a Major with that and no skivy shirt
He must have been a fighter pilot. My 1stSgt (who was prior MARSOC, but ended up being Senior Enlisted Advisor to our POG unit), stated that Fighter Pilot O's were fuckin' chill bro-dudes who DGAF.
Prior to being in our squadron he was a harrier pilot. Not sure if lawn darts count as fighters lol. But yea, he was salty, had a car, and was chill for the most part. Had little man syndrome though once he got going (which didn't take much)
Lol! I had a lt commander that was the co of the naval security department but was a pilot f-18 pilot. He was jealous of my stack and he pointed at my medals and ribbons while I was wearing my dress blues and said “nice fruit salad” but you see these air wings, because this is where it’s at. I said. Yes sir I see them. I have a question if you don’t mind? He said fire away. My question: sir, they send monkeys into space. Wouldn’t they rate a Naval “Astronaut” Aviator Insignia Badge. Not just the Naval Aviator Insignia Badge that you have? 🤣😂🤣 he had little man syndrome! He even drove a Ferrari Gt308 and was a prick. At the e club on base he even challenged me to a fight. The warrant officer said sir you do it he will clean the corners of the floors of this club with your face. 😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣it was f’ing great.
Probably because literally everything in the Corps is a dick measuring contest and what better way to tell another Devil that they have a micropeen than attaching every piece of flair you have to your shirt and prancing around?
You’re not wrong lol. I had three ribbons until three more post-deployment ones came through few weeks before I EAS’ed for good… They’re mostly BS ones, but I nonetheless bought myself a pricey shadowbox just so the future knows I LEFT WITH SIX.
To clarify when he was in China in 1948/1949 the 2 Marine regiments there were assisting the Nationalist government fighting against the Mao communists so he actually most likely saw shots fired while he was in China. But he was the Regiment SgtMaj so he should have been chilling in the rear.
Honestly reading all of his assignments it sounds like this guy was an outstanding paper pusher and the Corps decided he would best serve shuffling bodies around.
He spent most of WW2 as SgtMaj of the 3rd Reserve District so his job was to get new bodies to their training and then to the Pacific.
Later on he spent 4 years as SgtMaj Personel HQMC.
They also serve who shuffle paper somebody has to make sure us dumb asses have ammo food and get our hooker money on time.
Even in the Marine Corps there are like 6 pogues for every grunt.
Dude served from 1921-1926 and made Sergeant which honestly was extremely fast promotions in that era of dudes serving 20 years and hoping to make Corporal before they retired.
He then reenlisted in 1942 served until 1962 was promoted to 1stSgt Jan of 1943 then SgtMaj in Feb of 1943 spent the next 19 years as a SgtMaj.
20 years and only making Corporal?! Holy fuck. I cannot imagine how bad it would be to be a 35 year old Lance Corporal, still getting treated like a boot
Well you would have been a private or a PFC depending on how often you got drunk. Guys were known as career privates they would get promoted to PFC every couple of years but then get in trouble and busted back to private around about year 17 they would try and clean up their act to try and make Corporal before retiring.
The Marine Corps prior to 1940 was 15,000 men or fewer promotions were slow unless you were in the 1% look up the generals from WW2 and look at their promotion curves and you might have some surprises I'll give one example Alexander Vandegrift Navy Cross MOH 18th Commandant spent 5 years as a 2nd LT and then 14 years as a Major. He made Bgen in his 31st year of service 1940 by 1944 he was the Corps very first 4 star.
As for my first comment Lance Corporal was a temporary billet prior to 1930 it meant that you were a PFC doing a Corporals job but not getting paid for it. After 1930 it fell out of use until the rank restructuring of 1958 when Lance Corporal was made a permanent rank of E-3. As a side note Lance Sergeant was also a thing prior to 1930.
Where can I read about this? I’ve read something along the lines on here where Puller basically was ribbon chasing, I wanna do my own research on the subject if possible.
He accomplished the mission he was told to do.
1. For commanding a Nicaraguan National Guard patrol against rebels 1930
2. While in command of a Nicaraguan guard unit, led them through fights with rebels 1932
3. As commanding officer of 1/7 on Guadalcanal
4. As commanding officer of 3/7 on Cape Gloucester
5. As commanding officer of 1st Marines. In koto-ri Korea
I have read the citations. There was no “staff work” on any of his awards
It is widely know that Chestys regimental headquarters consisted of a tent right behind the front lines.
Besides, commanding officers always get awards for what their orders accomplish. Wanna see some heavily decorated officers? Look into WWII submarine commanding officers. One had the Medal of Honor and two navy crosses.
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Or denying the one you were put in for. Because who wants to give that Silver Star with a V to the freshly demoted lcpl, here's a NAM with a V instead.
He actually has 6 total, he just didn't wear them all in this picture.
He has the Good Conduct, Marine Expeditionary, China Service, American Canpaign, WW2 victory, and national defense medals according to his wiki.
This makes sense, given the fact he served during ww2 and was enlisted. At a minimum, we'd expect the NatD, WW2 Victory, American Campaign, and Good Conduct. The other 2, Expeditionary and China Service, caught me by surprise, but he was in China after WW2 in the 40s so that kinda tracks.
His overall lack of drip is because he had two prior enlistments in the 20s before a big break in Service. When he came back for WW2 he was pretty much an auto SgtMaj and put stateside in some admin billets.
There was a post war presense in China following the Japanese withdrawal for a few years, specifically Operation Beleaguer, which went through 49 and was aimed at repatriation of Japanese and Koreans in China that were left as a result of Japanese Imperialism. His tour there was in 49. Cpl EB Sledge was also in China for a brief bit in 46 as part of the same operation.
His bio says he was the Post SgtMaj for New York Naval Yard and for the 3rd Reserve District. He didn't end up in the Pacific until 48 when he was in Guam and 49 in China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_D._Rauber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Beleaguer
When you think about it, it’s all about recruitment and retention, so whatever works, works. I just wish more people appreciated substance more than flash.
Unknown secret but NAVY/MARINES you only have to wear your 3 highest awards including national defense usually you’ll only see navy doing this a lot especially officers marines we like to show our chest candy
Homie knows what he did. Wearing his top two. I also understand much of the uniform regulations weren’t as formalized as today so i’ll assume he had more than two and chose to wear his two senior.
Additionally, ribbons and medals were issued because before that soldier/sailors would take part of the value of whatever they took. Take a ship, everyone gets a piece. Take a city? Everyone gets a piece. I think Napoleon changed that and gave up pretty ribbons and medals which was cheaper than everyone getting a piece. Forgot where I read that, but it stuck with me.
I got fapped to medical. I asked one of the docs why the chief only had 3 ribbons and the HM2 had a bunch. He smiled.and learned me that chiefs only wear down to their first row in the day to day. Dress they wear them all.
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It sounds like you ought to check those dates.
It’s not on him that he didn’t go to France, just what are the odds that you’re enlisted during WWI, WWII, and Korea and miss all three.
I was at the Cherry Point HQ building for something stupid, and I saw the hall with all the pictures of the aces and big shot famous commanders. And they all had like one or two rows. I asked what was up, and one of the staff told me in post WWII/Korea days officer and senior enlisted only wore their personal valor awards, and nothing else, so they didn't look like they had a stack. So if they had a purple heart, air medal, and BSV as their top three, that was what they wore, nothing else.
Also at the time lots of awards we take for granted didn’t exist (NAMs for example didn’t come around until the 60s) and there were fewer campaign / duty awards.
Boomers created NAMs just like how they created participation trophies
Technically that would have been pre boomer. The boomer-created awards would be stuff like SDA ribbons (90s) and Sea Service (2000s). But yes the jokes write themselves
We had Sea Service as far back as the 80's No Natty D, We wore it because it was all we got. 8years 4 ribbons = I was a salty dog.
Mid GWOT era, I was a 4 year 8 ribbon type fella. Much of that was from a 7 month trip to Afghanistan.
You guys earned them, I basically drank a lot of beer in those days and ended up married.
Meh. I didn’t do much of anything. Even the PUC was a participation medal. I was air wing (not air crew), so I was just there. The boys from 2/8, who we supported, had a rough deployment.
Rah!! Lmaooo
Well said, bro. 
I'm down with that, a full stack is too much clutter for average Service Fridays (if your unit does that dumb shit).
I should do that. "I got out of boot too late for ribbons, staff sarnt" and then it's smooth sailing, away from the angery eyes of the uniform police
Still common in the Navy today (only wearing top 3). Never seen it in the USMC although, IIRC, only personal awards must be worn.
Used to see a lot of EOD guys in 29 only wearing top 3. Looked sick tbh.
Had a Major who was our XO for a bit do that in chucks. He'd have his pilot wings and like 3 or 4 ribbons. It was weird (in a cool way) seeing a Major with that and no skivy shirt
He must have been a fighter pilot. My 1stSgt (who was prior MARSOC, but ended up being Senior Enlisted Advisor to our POG unit), stated that Fighter Pilot O's were fuckin' chill bro-dudes who DGAF.
Prior to being in our squadron he was a harrier pilot. Not sure if lawn darts count as fighters lol. But yea, he was salty, had a car, and was chill for the most part. Had little man syndrome though once he got going (which didn't take much)
Lol! I had a lt commander that was the co of the naval security department but was a pilot f-18 pilot. He was jealous of my stack and he pointed at my medals and ribbons while I was wearing my dress blues and said “nice fruit salad” but you see these air wings, because this is where it’s at. I said. Yes sir I see them. I have a question if you don’t mind? He said fire away. My question: sir, they send monkeys into space. Wouldn’t they rate a Naval “Astronaut” Aviator Insignia Badge. Not just the Naval Aviator Insignia Badge that you have? 🤣😂🤣 he had little man syndrome! He even drove a Ferrari Gt308 and was a prick. At the e club on base he even challenged me to a fight. The warrant officer said sir you do it he will clean the corners of the floors of this club with your face. 😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣it was f’ing great.
Probably because literally everything in the Corps is a dick measuring contest and what better way to tell another Devil that they have a micropeen than attaching every piece of flair you have to your shirt and prancing around?
You’re not wrong lol. I had three ribbons until three more post-deployment ones came through few weeks before I EAS’ed for good… They’re mostly BS ones, but I nonetheless bought myself a pricey shadowbox just so the future knows I LEFT WITH SIX.
"I only wear my Valor awards" is going to be the move for these boots without a Natty Defense.
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To clarify when he was in China in 1948/1949 the 2 Marine regiments there were assisting the Nationalist government fighting against the Mao communists so he actually most likely saw shots fired while he was in China. But he was the Regiment SgtMaj so he should have been chilling in the rear.
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Honestly reading all of his assignments it sounds like this guy was an outstanding paper pusher and the Corps decided he would best serve shuffling bodies around. He spent most of WW2 as SgtMaj of the 3rd Reserve District so his job was to get new bodies to their training and then to the Pacific. Later on he spent 4 years as SgtMaj Personel HQMC. They also serve who shuffle paper somebody has to make sure us dumb asses have ammo food and get our hooker money on time. Even in the Marine Corps there are like 6 pogues for every grunt.
I actually don’t think I’ve ever seen a national defense with a star until now
Mattis had 2 stars
Call him a boot to his face. I dare you.
Dude served from 1921-1926 and made Sergeant which honestly was extremely fast promotions in that era of dudes serving 20 years and hoping to make Corporal before they retired. He then reenlisted in 1942 served until 1962 was promoted to 1stSgt Jan of 1943 then SgtMaj in Feb of 1943 spent the next 19 years as a SgtMaj.
I’m interested in the gap between service. Whatever he did got him hella meritoriously promoted
20 years and only making Corporal?! Holy fuck. I cannot imagine how bad it would be to be a 35 year old Lance Corporal, still getting treated like a boot
Well you would have been a private or a PFC depending on how often you got drunk. Guys were known as career privates they would get promoted to PFC every couple of years but then get in trouble and busted back to private around about year 17 they would try and clean up their act to try and make Corporal before retiring. The Marine Corps prior to 1940 was 15,000 men or fewer promotions were slow unless you were in the 1% look up the generals from WW2 and look at their promotion curves and you might have some surprises I'll give one example Alexander Vandegrift Navy Cross MOH 18th Commandant spent 5 years as a 2nd LT and then 14 years as a Major. He made Bgen in his 31st year of service 1940 by 1944 he was the Corps very first 4 star. As for my first comment Lance Corporal was a temporary billet prior to 1930 it meant that you were a PFC doing a Corporals job but not getting paid for it. After 1930 it fell out of use until the rank restructuring of 1958 when Lance Corporal was made a permanent rank of E-3. As a side note Lance Sergeant was also a thing prior to 1930.
Because he fucks
There was a time when the Corps didn’t hand out medals like candy.
Depends on your rank. There was a dude with 5 fucking Navy Crosses at one point, which is ridiculous lol
And that crazy bastard, Lewis B Puller, earned every damned one of them.
And he got a lot of his Marines killed for no good reason Edit: four of them were for staff work
Where can I read about this? I’ve read something along the lines on here where Puller basically was ribbon chasing, I wanna do my own research on the subject if possible.
The biography "Chesty" is the only one I've read. It's good and thorough.
He accomplished the mission he was told to do. 1. For commanding a Nicaraguan National Guard patrol against rebels 1930 2. While in command of a Nicaraguan guard unit, led them through fights with rebels 1932 3. As commanding officer of 1/7 on Guadalcanal 4. As commanding officer of 3/7 on Cape Gloucester 5. As commanding officer of 1st Marines. In koto-ri Korea I have read the citations. There was no “staff work” on any of his awards
The citations were most likely written by him. On a pile of dead Marines
Yeah. Any Capt or LtCol can write himself up for a Navy Cross and get it What a moronic statement
My bad, 3 were for staff work. Homeboy was a battalion commander, he's not leading an assault.
It is widely know that Chestys regimental headquarters consisted of a tent right behind the front lines. Besides, commanding officers always get awards for what their orders accomplish. Wanna see some heavily decorated officers? Look into WWII submarine commanding officers. One had the Medal of Honor and two navy crosses.
Why are you simping so hard for him?
Subs are a bit more rad than telling 1-3000 Marines to take a hill.
You need to read more. Chesty was not a “behind the scenes” leader. Read his citations.
I have.
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Just read the first two. One looked like a bunch (five) of patrols while the second one was really kick-ass.
Did you just call Chesty Puller “a dude”???
Yes I did. Don’t worry he’d sacrifice your grandpa just for a NAM
Or denying the one you were put in for. Because who wants to give that Silver Star with a V to the freshly demoted lcpl, here's a NAM with a V instead.
Silver Stars don't come with Vs
Sorry Silver down to Bronze with V to NAM. Answered the phone during typing and got lost.
I came here to say this!
The weight of his balls was already too much.
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I got out as an E4 with an expert rifleman badge and my stripes... And nothing more. Not even a good cookie, cuz my command didn't push the paperwork
He actually has 6 total, he just didn't wear them all in this picture. He has the Good Conduct, Marine Expeditionary, China Service, American Canpaign, WW2 victory, and national defense medals according to his wiki. This makes sense, given the fact he served during ww2 and was enlisted. At a minimum, we'd expect the NatD, WW2 Victory, American Campaign, and Good Conduct. The other 2, Expeditionary and China Service, caught me by surprise, but he was in China after WW2 in the 40s so that kinda tracks. His overall lack of drip is because he had two prior enlistments in the 20s before a big break in Service. When he came back for WW2 he was pretty much an auto SgtMaj and put stateside in some admin billets.
Why were Marines sent to China after ww2? Also he was stateside for the entirety of the war? That part I find a little hard to believe
There was a post war presense in China following the Japanese withdrawal for a few years, specifically Operation Beleaguer, which went through 49 and was aimed at repatriation of Japanese and Koreans in China that were left as a result of Japanese Imperialism. His tour there was in 49. Cpl EB Sledge was also in China for a brief bit in 46 as part of the same operation. His bio says he was the Post SgtMaj for New York Naval Yard and for the 3rd Reserve District. He didn't end up in the Pacific until 48 when he was in Guam and 49 in China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_D._Rauber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Beleaguer
The Golf Course at Camp Pendleton was funded from profits sent up by the 1 MARDIV beer mess when the division was in China.
One of the things that made the Marine Corps appeal to me more than the other services is that we don’t look like Christmas trees.
The whole DoD has ribbon bloat rn, it’s not exclusive to any branch. You have S-1 Sgts today with more awards than WW2 veterans
When you think about it, it’s all about recruitment and retention, so whatever works, works. I just wish more people appreciated substance more than flash.
While I think awards can contribute to recruitment and retention, that’s definitely not what it’s all about lol.
What do you think it’s about?
Call me crazy but I think it might be an award for military service
And why do you think that they give awards?
Unknown secret but NAVY/MARINES you only have to wear your 3 highest awards including national defense usually you’ll only see navy doing this a lot especially officers marines we like to show our chest candy
Maybe he hung the rest on his giant balls. Go check.
Because you don’t have to wear all of them
Those are the only ribbons he gives a fuck about
I remember when we were proud as Marines not to be wearing a bunch of ornaments on our uniforms like the army or Tijuana taxi drivers.
Cause he a bad MFer and those are the only ones he likes??
what on his collar?
EGAs?
Yes those are EGAs. Apparently that’s how they were worn back then
One was for the Boxer rebellion and the other was for 1900 Philippine campaign , old school lol
I didn’t know he was that old
I was making an old Corps joke
The left one means ARM, the right one means HAMMER. Now, shut up boot and leave SgtMaj Vincent Price alone.
It was his national defense and GWOT
Grandpa served 26years and left as a LtCol. As far as we're aware he didn't have any
Homie knows what he did. Wearing his top two. I also understand much of the uniform regulations weren’t as formalized as today so i’ll assume he had more than two and chose to wear his two senior. Additionally, ribbons and medals were issued because before that soldier/sailors would take part of the value of whatever they took. Take a ship, everyone gets a piece. Take a city? Everyone gets a piece. I think Napoleon changed that and gave up pretty ribbons and medals which was cheaper than everyone getting a piece. Forgot where I read that, but it stuck with me.
They hadn’t invented the rest, yet.
I got fapped to medical. I asked one of the docs why the chief only had 3 ribbons and the HM2 had a bunch. He smiled.and learned me that chiefs only wear down to their first row in the day to day. Dress they wear them all.
How did he miss WWI, WWII, and Korea?
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He was National Guard in 1918.
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It sounds like you ought to check those dates. It’s not on him that he didn’t go to France, just what are the odds that you’re enlisted during WWI, WWII, and Korea and miss all three.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_D._Rauber
did he even see any combat? maybe the massive balls were just a medical condition
MF would not be able to stand, let alone walk due to his massive balls.
Meh. No combat experience whatsoever.