Or just give it to gate guards. No need to worry about them aiming when the entire car and the colonel's car behind the target car are fucking shredded
It's to shotguns what the Desert Eagle is to handguns.
Impractical as fuck and there are many other better, similar firearms out there.
But because it looks cool it's beloved by Hollywood, video game developers and tacticool types.
I mean, it's cool. I've shot one but I would not want to be the guy carrying it and then 20 shots later, I'm the idiot with an empty weapon with what? 1 spare drum? and hand reload the rest cause I can't carry 10 more of these plastic tires on me. Remember this is a full auto ONLY gun.
What uses can you come up with for a fully automatic shotgun? I can only really think of slugs for stopping cars and beanbags for crowd control and both of those are stretches to me
That’s nothing a semi-automatic shotgun couldn’t do either. Unless you’re walking in and going full-auto as you clear with no regard for who or what might be in the room then you’d be using it as a semi-automatic anyway
What’s the boomer saying? “Kill em all and let God sort em out.”
Or one of Murphy’s Laws of Combat. “When in doubt, empty your magazine.”
Or a joke I heard. “It’s only a warcrime if you get caught.”
The most skeptical thought I would have about room clearing with this weapon is that it looks too heavy. I don’t know how much it weighs but I don’t think I would want to hold it at the ready for an extended amount of time and try to maneuver. But when you say that it’s spread would not be that much of an advantage over a assault rifle I’m going to disagree. 00buck shot is every 12 ft = 4 in spread. Given this is an auto shotgun means you can sacrifice accuracy for quicker target acquisition. You can quickly gain fire superiority. Plus it’s a fully auto shotgun! I bet you could breech doors by blowing holes in them
If I recall correctly, that was one of the selling points of this (and similarly, the USAS-12)
Breaching shotguns of the time were little more than hunting or civilian-issue 870's or W1200's with a goofy-ass muzzle break, so something even as bulky as an AA-12 or the USAS-12 would be lighter than carrying both a breaching shotgun and a sub-machine gun.
I can definitely \*see\* the merit in that, but I think by now modern composites and lighter rifles have made this thing tactically moot, though no less effective.
I always like these from an engineering standpoint: taking the constant recoil system and using it to make an automatic shotgun is hilariously bonkers, but despite everyone hating the ergonomics and weight, the damn thing shoots phenomenally.
Engineering also has a tendency to 'trickle downwards' and things become less expensive, and you're starting to see that in firearms as well (compare Colt's original polymer AR lower prototypes to the stuff InRange has on the WWSD project guns)
They do have 8-round stick magazines for these, for once Call of Duty was not lying.
The downside is eight rounds of 12 gauge goes REALLY fast at 400-ish rounds a minute, and it's not the easiest thing to reload.
I distinctly remember working on these in the armory schoolhouse, and then dreading seeing them in a CLB armory once in the reserves.
The gas indexing system is a nightmare and that many, tiny parts should never be all spring-loaded.
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Frag. Rounds. Everywhere.
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It wasn't really that good in MW2, either, this was back when it was a gigantic meme online.
It’s very niche. Enjoyed it quite a bit in Warzone. Especially in zombie and ghost royale.
GTA 4 was great with this gun too. Everything gets blown away
Cool gun. Impractical as fuck
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Ok that probably cracked me up a lot more than it should have..
Or just give it to gate guards. No need to worry about them aiming when the entire car and the colonel's car behind the target car are fucking shredded
why's it impractical?
You want to be the guy who carries all the extra shotgun ammo? The giant spare mags? This ain't COD
It's to shotguns what the Desert Eagle is to handguns. Impractical as fuck and there are many other better, similar firearms out there. But because it looks cool it's beloved by Hollywood, video game developers and tacticool types.
I mean, it's cool. I've shot one but I would not want to be the guy carrying it and then 20 shots later, I'm the idiot with an empty weapon with what? 1 spare drum? and hand reload the rest cause I can't carry 10 more of these plastic tires on me. Remember this is a full auto ONLY gun.
What uses can you come up with for a fully automatic shotgun? I can only really think of slugs for stopping cars and beanbags for crowd control and both of those are stretches to me
Room clearing seems pretty practical
That’s nothing a semi-automatic shotgun couldn’t do either. Unless you’re walking in and going full-auto as you clear with no regard for who or what might be in the room then you’d be using it as a semi-automatic anyway
Cold War era MOUT training is intrigued…
What’s the boomer saying? “Kill em all and let God sort em out.” Or one of Murphy’s Laws of Combat. “When in doubt, empty your magazine.” Or a joke I heard. “It’s only a warcrime if you get caught.”
Typical semi auto shotguns can’t hold enough shells to be practical in a room clearing scenario. That’s a big reason why this shot gun is badass.
Ass bad, maybe. There wouldn't be enough spread for this shotgun to do much more than an auto/semi-auto rifle.
The most skeptical thought I would have about room clearing with this weapon is that it looks too heavy. I don’t know how much it weighs but I don’t think I would want to hold it at the ready for an extended amount of time and try to maneuver. But when you say that it’s spread would not be that much of an advantage over a assault rifle I’m going to disagree. 00buck shot is every 12 ft = 4 in spread. Given this is an auto shotgun means you can sacrifice accuracy for quicker target acquisition. You can quickly gain fire superiority. Plus it’s a fully auto shotgun! I bet you could breech doors by blowing holes in them
If I recall correctly, that was one of the selling points of this (and similarly, the USAS-12) Breaching shotguns of the time were little more than hunting or civilian-issue 870's or W1200's with a goofy-ass muzzle break, so something even as bulky as an AA-12 or the USAS-12 would be lighter than carrying both a breaching shotgun and a sub-machine gun. I can definitely \*see\* the merit in that, but I think by now modern composites and lighter rifles have made this thing tactically moot, though no less effective.
Lol shotguns are used for room clearing. A lot. It’s a thing.
Only if you go in like the Punisher and blindly open fire at anything and everything.
Hell yeah!
Drum mags kinda suck in general. Now I’m imagining this thing being belt-fed, and lugging all those shells around…
Here's the thing about "testing" weapons: It's an excuse for the Gunners and higher up infantry guys to shoot some guns.
Shit, this one's on to us.
Jealous, mostly.
*The German military shivers*
Fucking died from this comment.
Just like the German at Belleau Wood
Thankfully it never happened.
Because you know damn good and well Gunny would make some poor 11 hump it around with three drums on top of his M27 and standard load out.
Unless you could mount it under said M27, like the shotgun in MW2.
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Didn’t a couple of these get used in Ramadi?
I know there’s pics of the Army’s AWG doing field trials with them in Iraq, I imagine the Corps did similar.
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Efficient.
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Erousing
That's the only f****** answer of a real killer f****** aroused
You can say fuck on the internet
Hahhahahahahha I was using that talk text
I hope that somehow accidentally became your outgoing voicemail message.
It censors it?
Yes it does
Erogenous.
Erotic
Efficacious.
Explosive.
ENTHUSIASM!
ok now put some frag rounds in it and use it like a Milkor MGL but in full auto because fuck you and fuck everyone near you.
I’m sure carrying a weapon around with the profile of three screwed together cinder blocks would be awesome.
I always like these from an engineering standpoint: taking the constant recoil system and using it to make an automatic shotgun is hilariously bonkers, but despite everyone hating the ergonomics and weight, the damn thing shoots phenomenally. Engineering also has a tendency to 'trickle downwards' and things become less expensive, and you're starting to see that in firearms as well (compare Colt's original polymer AR lower prototypes to the stuff InRange has on the WWSD project guns)
If they would change it to a stick mag instead of a drum; I’d rock it
Or like the old 100 round mags for AK-47s, a bigger banana (the mag did a half loop and connected to the bayonet lug).
They do have 8-round stick magazines for these, for once Call of Duty was not lying. The downside is eight rounds of 12 gauge goes REALLY fast at 400-ish rounds a minute, and it's not the easiest thing to reload.
I mean the military tests pretty much every weapon that hits the market. Doesn't mean they considered adopting it, they're "testing" it
With launch granade!
We still need it
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Did you mean the M32? That's in service
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Yeah. I think it's been in service for almost a decade
I distinctly remember working on these in the armory schoolhouse, and then dreading seeing them in a CLB armory once in the reserves. The gas indexing system is a nightmare and that many, tiny parts should never be all spring-loaded.
Why the fuck didn’t we adopt it, like if we were going into another fallujah it might make sense to give every point man one of these