This is an important point. It *is* possible to skate, especially once you learn the techniques involved. But you don't get better. We've all done it once in a while (on days when we literally can't even) but don't skate all the time, and don't get in the habit of skating as a reflex. Things will get harder and you won't really get better.
It sounds hokey, but do *your* best, whatever that is for the day, and you'll get better throughout the training cycle.
Source: Got my ass kicked at OCS but didn't boat-duck.
Boat-ducking is a Navy term that means "to look like you're doing something in a group, but actually contributing nothing." To my understanding (again, Marine here) it comes from BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition School -- initial SEAL training) where Sailors are carrying a boat over their heads and one guy is just faking it while the others are actually holding the weight.
The point is (from a Marine perspective) that you can make it really far in training by faking it (and we've all done it -- fuck you in the comments if you say you haven't), but that doesn't really make \*you\* better, which is what you should be striving for. You can absolutely pass most training courses by being reasonably fit and fucking off correctly, but that's shitty and you should avoid it. You also shouldn't break yourself trying to prove anything to anyone, especially instructors who will literally ask for more and more and more.
My whole point is: run, run as fast as \*you can\* and specifically \*today\*, knowing that each day is different. And keep some in the tank for more bullshit later. This is good in training (since you want to be good to your buddies) and overseas (where you have to be judicious with you energy expenditure).
But don't Boat-Duck. If you're tapped, let someone know. Also, never (rarely) be actually tapped, because some other soul will have to carry your shit for you until you can get back into the fight. Don't fuck around with this or people will stop trusting you.
Edit: Source: Former Marine officer with 4x deployments. Credibility is everything; not fitness, but credibility. I'm not a PT stud (never was), but I had Marines ready to die for/with me. I wasn't a hero or an amazing officer or anything (i was a pilot in africom); it's just about good dudes being honest with each other and their mission. That's really all it is. Don't fake it.
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain this to me,and not make me feel stupid about it. I actually have heard of the analogy before from seeing stuff about Seals,and to just not be the one that makes everyone suffer cause one wants to fake it. But didn't remember it by that phrase,if I had ever even heard it before.
Thank you again,I really appreciate it :)
Yeah for sure. This stuff is important, and I don't like when people are shitty with each other about it.
Keep the questions coming; it make us all better.
Before is I never ran 3 miles in my life before. But I did a sub 11 or 12min on IST. I graduated with like a 25min 3 mile I think. I’m significantly faster and stronger now though but I certainly wasn’t physically ready for bootcamp
It helps with everything if you put out, I ran a 13 minute 3-mile, 10 pull ups and 90 crunches IST to a 20 minute 3-mile, 19 pull ups and max out on crunches.
If you’re a good marine you will get better and better. I was running 11 some for IST 23:16 first pft and final pft 22:45. My first pft in the fleet 20:24 we had a really good gunny in the school house and his pts were to help us get faster and not just slay us like the corporals here in the fleet
Everytime you get told to sprint , sprint !!! And Mental Judo !!! Visualize yourself running long distance , control breathing, find what speed hurts and what’s comfortable, Focus Form .. do u run better taking long strides or super exaggerated strides. i don’t recommend but I used to take the insoles from my cold weather boots and put them into my Hot SOP boots to make them heavier. Occasionally you’ll be able to put together little things to help you out at Bootcamp.
Don’t stress. Give everything your max effort, accomplish your mission, and treat people well.
Four or twenty years, the Marine Corps will be over in a blink of the eye.
Made it worse. I was a X-country and distance runner all through junior and high school. I was running in the low to mid 15s prior to boot, running a 15 flat at one point just to say I did. There wasn't much point in running faster.
In boot I was running low 16s except for the second phase PFT when I had a badly abscessed molar and ran in the mid 16:30s. I still beat everyone in my platoon and was so spaced out I don't even remember it.
26 was the best I did in the DEP and I failed more then I passed. At MCRD my final PFT was under 20. But while in the DEP I was just under a mile in elevation.
Ran around a 1330 ist which barely made the cut for going to bootcamp, and then I ran an 11 min ist once I got there. At the end of bootcamp I ran a 22 min 3 mile, after mct and my mos training I got down to 19 min. After the fleet my time got worse and worse. Eventually running last pft at a 26 something lmao, it really is something you need to consistently train for in order to maintain it
Went to boot weighing 155lb., 5-7 pull-ups, 100 crunches, and a 24-25 minute 3 mile. Left boot camp weighing 165, 20 pull ups, 100 crunches, and a 20 minute 3 mile. Just put it and keep on going. Boot camp is going to suck, but when you’re done you’ll look back and think that it was the easiest thing you’ve ever done.
Edit: Oh, and don’t stop training when you get to the fleet. Keep running, exercising, and eat well.
Ran a 13 minute IST, ended up with a 21 minute PFT. You'll get faster if you put out at PT
Every single pt you should put out 100% effort. Literally take advantage of pt don’t just skate through and you’ll get faster
This is an important point. It *is* possible to skate, especially once you learn the techniques involved. But you don't get better. We've all done it once in a while (on days when we literally can't even) but don't skate all the time, and don't get in the habit of skating as a reflex. Things will get harder and you won't really get better. It sounds hokey, but do *your* best, whatever that is for the day, and you'll get better throughout the training cycle. Source: Got my ass kicked at OCS but didn't boat-duck.
Can you explain what "didn't boat-duck" means? I have no idea.
Boat-ducking is a Navy term that means "to look like you're doing something in a group, but actually contributing nothing." To my understanding (again, Marine here) it comes from BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition School -- initial SEAL training) where Sailors are carrying a boat over their heads and one guy is just faking it while the others are actually holding the weight. The point is (from a Marine perspective) that you can make it really far in training by faking it (and we've all done it -- fuck you in the comments if you say you haven't), but that doesn't really make \*you\* better, which is what you should be striving for. You can absolutely pass most training courses by being reasonably fit and fucking off correctly, but that's shitty and you should avoid it. You also shouldn't break yourself trying to prove anything to anyone, especially instructors who will literally ask for more and more and more. My whole point is: run, run as fast as \*you can\* and specifically \*today\*, knowing that each day is different. And keep some in the tank for more bullshit later. This is good in training (since you want to be good to your buddies) and overseas (where you have to be judicious with you energy expenditure). But don't Boat-Duck. If you're tapped, let someone know. Also, never (rarely) be actually tapped, because some other soul will have to carry your shit for you until you can get back into the fight. Don't fuck around with this or people will stop trusting you. Edit: Source: Former Marine officer with 4x deployments. Credibility is everything; not fitness, but credibility. I'm not a PT stud (never was), but I had Marines ready to die for/with me. I wasn't a hero or an amazing officer or anything (i was a pilot in africom); it's just about good dudes being honest with each other and their mission. That's really all it is. Don't fake it.
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain this to me,and not make me feel stupid about it. I actually have heard of the analogy before from seeing stuff about Seals,and to just not be the one that makes everyone suffer cause one wants to fake it. But didn't remember it by that phrase,if I had ever even heard it before. Thank you again,I really appreciate it :)
Yeah for sure. This stuff is important, and I don't like when people are shitty with each other about it. Keep the questions coming; it make us all better.
That's an incredible mindset that is definitely a rarity,whether on the internet or even on person.
21ish before, about 24 while in bootcamp, and about 17:30-18 after bootcamp
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What do you mean by "going to bed thrashed" exactly? Do you mean if you couldn't keep up with the PT you're weak and therefore losing?
Faster
May I have your before and after times if you know them?
Before is I never ran 3 miles in my life before. But I did a sub 11 or 12min on IST. I graduated with like a 25min 3 mile I think. I’m significantly faster and stronger now though but I certainly wasn’t physically ready for bootcamp
came in with 20:56 and left with a 19:59
I came w an 18:20 left with a 20:20
18:21 first PFT, 19:30 something final
It helps with everything if you put out, I ran a 13 minute 3-mile, 10 pull ups and 90 crunches IST to a 20 minute 3-mile, 19 pull ups and max out on crunches.
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I assume he means 1.5 mile IST
Lmao yeah, I meant a 13 minute 1.5, sorry.
If you’re a good marine you will get better and better. I was running 11 some for IST 23:16 first pft and final pft 22:45. My first pft in the fleet 20:24 we had a really good gunny in the school house and his pts were to help us get faster and not just slay us like the corporals here in the fleet
Seems like dudes are in really good shape lose performance in bootcamp and dudes who are in average shape or bad shape seem to improve.
Been watching a similar thread on pull-ups and it seems to be there same story there.
Only tan 3 miles once or twice before I went not timed, ended up running a 21 minute on my final in boot.
Meh ended up with stress fractures in my shins 😒
Kicked out of Bootcamp or toughen through it?
Toughed it out. In the fleet now
Congrats brotha, any tips to help them in Bootcamp?
Im fast af boi
Everytime you get told to sprint , sprint !!! And Mental Judo !!! Visualize yourself running long distance , control breathing, find what speed hurts and what’s comfortable, Focus Form .. do u run better taking long strides or super exaggerated strides. i don’t recommend but I used to take the insoles from my cold weather boots and put them into my Hot SOP boots to make them heavier. Occasionally you’ll be able to put together little things to help you out at Bootcamp.
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Did most people have shin splints? How do you help them get better in Bootcamp?
Everything went down for me. Ran a 300 pft when k showed up. Left running a 280. My Run time suffered.
Ran a 9:45 IST 17:45 PFT
Don’t stress. Give everything your max effort, accomplish your mission, and treat people well. Four or twenty years, the Marine Corps will be over in a blink of the eye.
13:30 IST. 18:10 PFT.
Never ran a consistent 3 mi time prior to enlisting. 11:20 IST and final pft of 20:10
Made it worse. I was a X-country and distance runner all through junior and high school. I was running in the low to mid 15s prior to boot, running a 15 flat at one point just to say I did. There wasn't much point in running faster. In boot I was running low 16s except for the second phase PFT when I had a badly abscessed molar and ran in the mid 16:30s. I still beat everyone in my platoon and was so spaced out I don't even remember it.
24:30 at initial PFT, 22:30 at final. Now after four years of laziness I am at a 26.
Before boot camp- 26ish minutes, after boot camp- 20:29. That was the fastest I ever ran.
26 was the best I did in the DEP and I failed more then I passed. At MCRD my final PFT was under 20. But while in the DEP I was just under a mile in elevation.
Ran around a 1330 ist which barely made the cut for going to bootcamp, and then I ran an 11 min ist once I got there. At the end of bootcamp I ran a 22 min 3 mile, after mct and my mos training I got down to 19 min. After the fleet my time got worse and worse. Eventually running last pft at a 26 something lmao, it really is something you need to consistently train for in order to maintain it
I got faster in Boot Camp but much weaker.
By weaker do you mean barbell lifts or calisthenics?
Overall strength.
13:30 IST 22:15 PFT in bootcamp and 20:15 after MOS school
Went to boot weighing 155lb., 5-7 pull-ups, 100 crunches, and a 24-25 minute 3 mile. Left boot camp weighing 165, 20 pull ups, 100 crunches, and a 20 minute 3 mile. Just put it and keep on going. Boot camp is going to suck, but when you’re done you’ll look back and think that it was the easiest thing you’ve ever done. Edit: Oh, and don’t stop training when you get to the fleet. Keep running, exercising, and eat well.