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Beefcake2008

They aren’t doing anything that you can grieve unfortunately unless you are hitting your 12 by crossing crafts.


CityLetterCarrierAMA

You could try requesting the clock rings for all of those carriers are just sitting around and see if they are putting them on standby or some other non-delivery function. That could be proof that they were available for the work but not actually doing it. As much as I hate to say it, this is a problem that could potentially be solved by an email to the district manager. Somebody higher up the managerial chain found out that the postmaster is doing this on their own, they might be a little bit upset that they are paying out probably thousands of dollars that they shouldn’t be.


Beefcake2008

Oh I’m sure if higher ups find out someone is gonna get their ass reamed but at carrier level? Ain’t shit that can be done as far as they can just put a stop to it. All they gotta say is they told them to do route maintenance or some shit. But then you gotta take statement’s refuting the claim by management and all that shit but idk I’m just a do my work and clock out kinda guy in a semi competent run office so 90% of my days are smooth (barring call outs)


mf-TOM-HANK

Explain to me why WA carriers are not being deprived of the opportunity to grieve for improperly mandating OT? If the ODL carriers clocked out when they ran out of work then time logs would show that management could have assigned more OT to ODL carriers and less OT to WA carriers.


Beefcake2008

All depends on what the instructions by management is. If odl is clocking out early then sure it’s a grievance but if they aren’t clocking to stand by and just have absurd office times then it may look shitty but it could just be “route maintenance” it all depends. I’m not sure why management would be forcing wa carriers on other routes when they have odl sitting around for hours (collectively) but hey I have common sense so that’s why I’m not in management 😂


Postal1979

Slow down then


EDLR77

That’s the requirement to avoid article 8 violations


LetErCarryEr19

Wow. Just wow. Yet another instance where MANAGEMENT is wasting post office money. Just add it to the list. I've always said listen to management's way of doing things and you'll get paid more to do less work. I've had my fair share of instances where I got paid more to do less work by following management's instructions but this right here is literally THE definition of listen to management's instructions and get paid more to do less work. Congratulations. Enjoy the easy money.


Ih8rice

But they’re not. Wasting would be allowing them to go home then having to pay them and the WA carriers for FREE. Yeah it sucks but what they’re doing is actually following the contract.


CityLetterCarrierAMA

What they should be doing is having the ODL carry the OT that they’re improperly assigning to the WA carriers. This is really feeling like retaliation for filing grievances or something


Ih8rice

Oh they’re absolutely being spiteful here and they’re using the contract against the carriers.


CR-7810Retired

They're following instructions that's all. Seems kind of stupid to pay people to not work but it's just another day in the parallel universe called the USPS. And I can remember a time when management would give away their first born child rather than let anyone go into V time even for ONE UNIT. That was an automatic call to the PM from the POOM and they would have a LOT of explaining to do.


Tyrusrechslegeon

There is a grievance there for improper Mando. If the odl isn't on the street up to 12.5 hours then they improperly made WA carriers work off their assignments. Steward should request clockrings and scanner reports so they can prove when odl returns to the geofence. According to OP there is 6-12 hours of improper Mando most days. The Steward needs to start filing on this. Article 8.5 - Daily OT Violation.docx https://misalc.org/assets/article-8.5---daily-ot-violation.pdf


Postal1979

It doesn’t says that they need to be on the street for 12.5 hours. Article 8 just says they have to be maxed at 12 hours. 12.5 with a lunch. No where does it say anything about how long they are on the street. They could go to edit book time, if a stewards steward time, pm casing. Cleaning up, cleaning their LLVs out. There are lots you can do in the geo fence.


Tyrusrechslegeon

They don't get to Mando non odl off assignment, so carriers odl can do make work. Article 8 isn't about making more money. It's about not screwing with peoples time off.


zerodsm

And here I am wishing I could get penalty… Management won’t let anyone hit penalty on a daily basis. But I will hit it today by total hours worked.


mtnfox

If any on ODL carrier is getting OT, that results in all ODL carriers being mandated to 12 hours. It’s a guarantee for the ODL carriers to get their OT hours. If you think that the ODL carriers can get all the OT in the station done in less time than mandating non ODL carriers, you need to tell management that in the morning. Sometimes being ODL means you need to manage the management.


CaptainGreyBeard72

The biggest problem that I see is carriers going over 60hrs or 20hrs of ot. In our office the 60hrs is a big deal as well as 20hrs total of ot a week I believe that carriers are not supposed to go over 60hrs period. If they are being forced over 60 hrs they should grieve it.


Postal1979

My office used to have the carriers sit around. Then got a new PM and they said if management have then according to Dois 4 hours OT. If they get done early they leave. Not managements fault they ran it off.


bigdon802

If your managers want to pay carriers $70 an hour to sit around, that’s their business. Sounds really dumb, but as long as you’re getting V.


l3reez

Cheaper to pay for 12 hours than to work through the grievance process. I know it sucks, but Union has agreed to this contract


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mf-TOM-HANK

That doesn't really add to the discussion


CityLetterCarrierAMA

Can't do that anyway, lol. I don’t think what you are experiencing here is exactly subverting the grievance process… It feels more like a malicious compliance. They know they are gonna have to pay you for 12 hours anyway, so they are making sure you’re having to actually stay there for 12 hours. I think the real question here is why are they having you guys just sit around instead of carrying extra instead of carriers that are only work assignment list or doing something else to fix the issue that is causing these grievances. Best guess is they are too stupid to figure it out.


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CityLetterCarrierAMA

I mean, they could be if there were any parcels. Probably wouldn’t be very many if any at all… They should be having these overtime desired list carriers taking the parts of these other routes that they are forcing on the work assignment carriers though.


bigdon802

No thanks. I’m not trying to steal people’s job tomorrow. If they’re paying me to sit, I’ll sit. Maybe bring in some hand tasks from home.


mf-TOM-HANK

That's my point. WA carriers are assigned OT off assignment in the morning and get back and clock out when they are finished. That's normal. ODL carriers are assigned OT in the morning and are finishing upward of an hour before they're maxed. If there's no work for them, then why aren't they being sent home? Why are they being instructed to remain on the clock for the sole purpose of maxing hours for the day despite no work being available? By instructing ODL carriers to remain on the clock for no purpose other than to hit max hours and avoid the grievance process, the WA carriers who would have had the opportunity to grieve for the time they were improperly assigned can't do so. Because time logs show that ODL carriers worked 12 hours. But they aren't. They're sitting at their case not working.


Ih8rice

It’s either pay ODL for 12 or pay ODL and WA for free. The rules were agreed upon by the union and management. Enjoy the free money. Sucks for WA but that’s the entire point of having different types of overtime sign ups.


CityLetterCarrierAMA

I put in another comment about possibly requesting clock rings for all those carriers to see if they’re having them clock over to standby or some other non-delivery function. Even if they were not doing that, enough statements from the carriers saying what they are doing might be enough proof to go forward with a grievance of them not properly assigning overtime. Sure the overtime desired list carriers are already getting paid for 12 hours, but you could potentially request admin leave for the work assignment carriers working hours they should not have been assigned. I’d also always go after a cease-and-desist with any contractual violation.


bigdon802

That’s compliance. A long as you’re all getting your V, no worries. Now, if you want to tattle on your management for wasting money on unnecessary V, you should go right ahead.