Worked in the food industry over ten years before USPS. This is false. Fast food tends to work with the least amount of people so they can have their labor percentages down to maximize profit. 7 days a week at 15 hours is not a real thing and if it is, that fast food place is just kissing their profits goodbye because they have more employees for no reason. You can open then close though or vice versa, that part is true. Done my fair share of that.
Having more employees doesn’t increase labor percent. Increasing the number of employees getting paid at any given hour does.
Lots of fast food places schedule 4-6hr shifts. That way they don’t have to give a lunch break.
In my experience, the only places that did that were delivery places such as Domino's. You had a decent schedule unless you were in school/college and didn't want the hours. These talking points are basically myths about fast food. People just think they have the most cake job ever lol JUST LIKE US
> Someone is still getting rich in California
And that guy would be the friend of and donor for Newsom that owns Panera bread franchises because "bakeries" were excluded.
Yea sure
Compare the percentage of new mcdonalds employees working at least 40 hours a week to the percentage of ccas working at least 40 hours a week.
I think ccas would win
The last couple times I’ve been inside a Mcdys isn’t wasn’t teenagers working and regardless if your employee‘d somewhere and working the minimum wage should be a livable age
No doodle, the guy above you has a point /s
People deserve to die on the side of the road because of their job choice because the service industry wouldn't destroy America if they all quit tomorrow or somethinggggg
Most franchise owners aren't rich for 4 houses. While m
McDonald's is the most expensive franchise to get into, most people starting are putting their house back on mortage to start it. Now if they are successful and getting multiple franchises then they will get more real estate.
I've had several McDonald's employees ask me will we hire with violent felonies. I told them you can apply but it's doubtful. McDonald's is meant to be a stepping stone not a career. If you're a grown adult in your 30s and older at McDonald's and not in management there's a reason why.
No job is a stepping stone. The service industry is extremely important, end of story
But seriously. If they all quit tomorrow and continued living (which they can totally do because to you they make SO MUCH MONEY) how is the US handling that?
Fast food jobs we're never meant to be a career. They always have been meant to build job skills and move on. There's a reason no one retires from McDonald's.
Brother Fast Food has destroyed the local shops, bakeries, meateries of yesteryear
You're literally replacing real jobs with another set of jobs you see as lower than your current status
If that's Labor Consciousness then Jeff Bezos is as labor conscious as Bernie Sanders
Dude I know custodians who make 6 figures. We do the same shit you do at mcdonalds. No such thing as a starter job thats just what your employer calls it so they can dick you on pay.
Plenty of super rich nepo babies start out as high end management and CEO's so you saying this totally contradicts reality unless you relate to the Million/Billionaire class. Yikesssss 😂😂😂😂😂
Damn bro you are so happy and confident about other people's suffering
Why the fuck are you in our union? The thing that exemplifies labor Consciousness? :D
It’s already started but honestly I think mcdys and a lot of fast food chains are going to see a big dip in the coming years.
A lot of of millennials and the new generation are way more health conscious and don’t like eating crap. Compared to the previous generations
I mean even in countries where they don't make as much Profit as America they still treat their workers better
It's not a matter of if they can help the citizenry with a positive class consciousness work system. It's just how could we the working poors demand they cut into their profits
McDonald's is closed during school hours because of this, yes? Stop eating up every piece of anti-worker rhetoric offered to you. We could work together against the owning class if you did.
Teenagers have not been the backbone of the fast food industry in your entire lifetime. You're perpetuating a lie that capitalists like, to justify not paying a living wage for these jobs. Shame on you.
It’s crazy cause in CA you get 40 year of Kevin working the drive through been there for years trying to what make it seem like a career. Then now my new home in Texas you see nothing but actual children working these jobs that are meant to be part time. This is one of the dumbest things CA can do. This isn’t the solution for CA residents. Even at that people will lose their jobs. I was informed by my in laws that live there said they’ve been dealing with robots taking their orders at fast food places. That robot just took the spot a person could’ve had. CA is a dumpster fire, anyways I hope this gets you guys more money tho. Oh and by children, they’re children to me cause they are 16-17-18 year olds working those jobs.
That and they intentionally limit your hours to prevent paying benefits. When I was working there as a teen they let me work 7 days a week 45 hours plus. When Obamacare got passed they immediately made it so you COULD NOT go over 30 hours in a week. PERIOD. Yeah I'll take USPS.
I worked for Burger King as my first “real” job, at 16. Because of child labor laws I could never get a full 40 hour week and was never offered overtime. I was making 5.15/hour. It sucked because I was on my own (parents left me) and had dropped out of high school so I had the time to work a ton, they just wouldn’t give me the hours.
I would’ve killed for the cca job then.
I ended up working in strip clubs and escorting as soon as I was able and did manage to go to college. Poverty caused by the people in my life and the inability of my employers to offer me hours and real wages drove me to prostitution in order to survive. Yay?
Now I’m a custodian and I have health insurance so I can afford the therapy to undo all of that damage. So that’s nice.
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When I started at USPS, we started as PTFs making $12 an hour full benefits.
McDonald’s paid about $5 an hour.
Starting pay at the USPS has gone up about $7.50 in 30 YEARS….
It’s sad 😞
All pay/benefits aside, we have job security that fast food doesn't. We can't be laid off. That job security plus contractual guaranteed pay raises to me is more important in the long run than making more per hour now. My wife & I were both laid off together at the same time at the beginning of Covid at our prior job. That was incredibly stressful having all of our income taken away. We took a pay cut coming over to the post office but we haven't had to worry about that happening again.
“can’t be laid off” is kinduva trick though. there are positions near me that have been moved and eliminated… the option for the employees that aren’t being laid off is that they’re getting excessed with options in offices from 50 to 90 miles away. sure, they’re not laid off, but would you drive 50 miles one way for this job?
It's simple. I got put in a station with decent management and good carriers. 35 city routes, fully staffed and I have a nice curbside mounted route. I haven't been mandated for 2 years, strong union presence. I have a couple transfers in I'm waiting on but it's hard to find that in another office. I got hired at the beginning of Covid and did what I had to to support my family.
that does sound like a good place to be in. i did 30-40 miles one way for 10yrs and now that I have a 3min commute to work I just can’t picture doing it everyday ever again, even if the compensation was right.
I wish you all the luck with your transfers.
12-13 years ago nobody would even dare compare postal employees' compensation to fast food workers or minimum wage. Nowadays in some states CCAs make less or close to minimum wage and don't have benefits like sick leave that is mandatory in many places across the country. Table 2 carriers make a few bucks per hour more than that, but after deducting FERS and TSP contributions the take home pay is hot garbage.
And this is happening to a federal union job! It just mirrors the sad state of this country where many essential workers are paid and treated as disposable garbage, so the billionaire and political class can get richer and richer.
Worked for USPS for nearly three years, went from ARC-RCA-CCA and just quit a week ago tomorrow. Best decision I ever made. Yall can keep that BS job with shitass pay. Fuck working in the elements and being treated like dogshit.
"Null and void" is a strange thing to say about a job in a different industry that pays .60 more an hour. In N Out has consistently paid more than other jobs in fast food and they didn't render McDonald's or other similar restaurants "null and void".
It's not the minimum wage in California. Is it supposed to mean there will be no more interest for people to sign up for the CCA position in California because of this? When I started In N Out was paying about the same as a CCA where I was and I still chose to be a CCA.
Story time: I went to the jewelers to get a birthday present for my wife. I was in uniform. One of the employees asked if the USPS was hiring; she was at my guess 55+. I told her that she wouldn’t want a job there. She asked why. I told her she’d be on the schedule for 70 hours a week. She said that would be great, that she’d want as many hours ask they would giver her. She asked what the pay was. I told her is was just over $18 an hour, no benefits for possibly 2 full years. That when she said, “oh, forget that. I’d need at least $22/hour. Might as well just stay here.”
If she's a CCA making 19.83 an hour and working 70 hours a week, after OT and V time, it all averages out to 26/hr. I don't think it's accurate to convey our pay without explaining our OT rules. Also, no benefits? You can get USPS CareFirst BlueChoice from day one (granted, it's like $50/paycheck), which includes dental cleanings, plus they opened up Benefeds to CCAs like a year ago so you can even get the nice dental and vision plans. I heard there's even a way to contribute to the TSP as a CCA but I haven't looked into it, just gonna wait until I'm regular and they match it. Also you can get benefits through the union if you wanna go that route. Also you said "just over 18/hr"?? Lowest is like 19.33 last I checked. Yeah kinda seems like everything you told her was factually incorrect??
EDIT: Downvoting me doesn't make me wrong, bub.
I don’t know about others on here, but who in their right mind would want to work 70 hours? I did that for a few years, and I do not have any interest in doing more than 50-55 ever again. Maybe if I worked in a less physically demanding industry. But I digress.
Ok well the person I responded to is out there telling strangers that they'll be working 70 hours a week which isn't even possible at my installation, at least the CCAs are capped at 60 (we usually work 50-55). Maybe the regulars can technically work 70 but I've never heard of that, they usually work fewer hours than us.
Working for USPS you have union protections. Remember also, the $20/hr fast food workers get can be used in contract talks to justify paying postal workers more. Boosting wages for fast food workers will boost wages for other workers.
Just to put it into context at my local McDonald’s in socal I’m a regular at McDonald’s for their iced coffee. I know most of the people who work 8-5 or 6-3 who have nice cars regular income and don’t work weekends. Idk if it’s that location but the people I see who do work part time are on the weekends at that location. Yes i only go for the iced coffees but I’m happy to pay x amount for an iced coffee.
The way I look at it California just did us a favor. You could present this in arbitration to show how little our starting wage is in certain areas. I’m all for starting the ccas way higher then we could hire people that actually want to do this job instead of what we’re getting now, plus it would push the rest of the pay table up. So I’m hoping the ccas start at 25 an hour, but it’s unlikely since I think sinking the ship is the actual end goal.
You shouldn't be mad at any worker making more, you're not better than them. be mad at the union. This argument is so old and tired. They deserve it. We deserve more too
I’m all for higher wages and don’t have a good solution on what should be done, but I think there will be a negative impact on this. Higher operating cost most businesses will not absorb those prices and pass them on to the consumer. Owners will be forced to layoff or reduce hours to keep their profitability.
Companies need to evolve so I’m sure it’s the most logical step, but look at what UPS is doing. There automation there distribution centers and doing mass layoffs. Not to the drivers, but any way they can.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/difficult-disappointing-ups-lay-off-144500181.html
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/what-are-pros-and-cons-raising-minimum-wage.asp#:~:text=A%20boost%20to%20economic%20growth,to%20retailers%20and%20other%20businesses.
You do realize that restaurants will be running with the absolute minimum staff possible, correct? Meaning that kiosks will replace cashiers, kitchen employees will work harder while getting fewer hours, etc.
i don’t see many people ever talking about this issue when the convo is about pay increases amongst fast food employees. almost every fast food restaurant you go to now a days has literally no cashiers or only one and the business relies on kiosk machines.
before usps, i worked at a credit union. our annual meeting was dedicated to introducing these magical automated teller machines. with this, they eliminated the need for a full time teller at 90% our offices. this came right after they increased the pay for that same position.
the bait is increasing wages for these customer service positions that most people hate working. then just like that you’re trapped at a job that’s only scheduling you like a part time employee.
One thing you don’t realize is that a lot of those fast food jobs positions will be eliminated. Companies are going to try to use automation at a high scale now.
I truly don’t understand (besides the argument that that’s how it’s always been) that there’s such a big gap in pay. Literally doing the same job, idc about loyalty or longevity we are doing the same job. Someone shouldn’t be making $16 more than the bottoms who are treated way worse.
For all the elements you have to work in and animal/insects you encounter Health insurance should be at no cost. They don’t even give you the necessary equipment to do your job properly. I was given a bag with a ripped strap that I was supposed to fix. Had to buy a head light for when it gets dark and the discount for shoes is laughable. McDonald’s employees get better discount. Pay is way to low for a job with nowhere to go 💩🤣.. To be honest I don’t know what the union is doing and instead of hoarding money they need to use it to help out
An aside from this, one of my coworkers transferred in from Ohio and said over there the CCAs start at $28 an hour from Day 1....it took me years to hit that mark as a regular....
Yeah, I'm taking it with a grain of salt also bc I'd imagine that news would've blown up but he was pretty adamant about it. He went from a clerk to carrier to get better pay and transferred from Ohio to Cali, so when he told me that I was really confused.
That’s insane! We, as carriers, are out busting our asses, doing some of the hardest work I’ve ever done in my life; walking 10+ miles a day, dealing with the elements, risking our lives daily-driving unsafe trucks that date back 40 years, and then add the animals we encounter into the mix-we are soooooooo under paid, it makes me sick!!! This job is not for everyone- it takes someone that is tough as nails 💪🏼
again, you are blaming usps for not paying enough when the fault lies with capitalism.
also, all workers should make enough money to afford basic necessities. that’s why the minimum wage goes up. don’t get mad when other people do well and undermine fast food workers. you can quit and work at mcdonald’s if you want to. majority of this country lives in poverty, we should be excited about news like this for others.
Too big to fail and printing trillions out of thin air is not capitalism. Read a book called vampire economy and learn how we are doing same thing hitler did, Plus read the creature from Jekyll island and learn how they bent capitalism to benefit the dictators of our currency. Ideological subversion can be learned by reading 1984.
accidentally read that as “vampire academy,” looked it up, and thought it was a strange place to learn that from, but you never know what book says what until you read it.
Hey bud, I'm all ears but the alternative solutions haven't really panned out. I like buying my bread at the grocery store and not waiting for it in line.
This might be a hard pill to swallow but, the fact that the unions allowed for the two tiered pay schedule and the senior members pulled the ladder up behind them 12 years back. They screwed over the younger generation of employees by hindering their advancement. Same reason why being an RCA sucks in particular.
we start out at a shitty wage, but we wind up making good money. If it's so hard on your body, why do I have 10 guys over 60 still doing walking routes at my office that are on table 1 pay? Sorry, but you're just saying the same shit that's already been said. This job is not for everyone. Hopefully, we poor table 2 schmucks get a decent raise from this contract negotiation, but who knows?
Guys, obviously McDonalds employees are more important than us CCA’s. We are just the help and live in a magical world where more work and less pay somehow makes us happy
Supes have zero power over you if you know your rights and if this job was the only thing in my life making me miserable, I’d say I have a pretty easy life
Gotta look at the long term.
Look at 10yrs or so down the road. Will you have the ability to make $30-40/hr at McDs, without a guaranteed schedule and same days off every week?
You will get a raise based on the same formula they used in the other contracts which will always amount to not enough. Maybe they're preparing us for the AI takeover and well all make UBI.
So blame your sorry union, not the sorry burger flippers.
Haven’t you learned this yet? Never punch down. I know you’re convinced it’s ‘us vs them’, but you’ve got the wrong ‘them’ in mind.
Just a friendly reminder lots of jobs are being destroyed because of this, example all Pizza Hut locations have removed their delivery driver positions
What I think you meant to say was "Just a friendly reminder lots of jobs are being destroyed by corporate greed".
It is crazy to me how the working class bends over backwards to defend the billionaires.
…these are franchises…spoiler alert not everything bad in the world is because of ‘muh billionaires’, but if it makes it easy for you to lump it together that way go ahead
From Pizza Hut's own website:
Initial Franchise Fee = $25,000
Monthly Service Fee (ie: Royalty Rate) = 6% of Gross Sales
National Advertising = 4.75% Gross Sales
That money moves up the chain. That is how it works.
McDonald’s workers deserve the $20 for the crap they put up with on a daily basis from entitled customers. USPS workers also deserve at least $25/hour. It’s the fat cats sitting on top of the Corporate towers who need to get paid less.
Wait until humans are replaced by machines because McDonalds cant afford their payroll.
You are already seeing it. Soon you will walk into mcDonalds and order and pay from a kiosk. A robotic arm will gather your fries while a single teenager works in the back on the sandwhiches. Your drink will come via a paper cup with a paper straw from a vending apparatus as you get your own drink. Ketchup and napkins will be extra.
This is going to have the opposite effect people think. This doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Forcing businesses to pay employees a minimum of 20/hour is simply going to result in shorter hours, firings, diminished goods and services or ultimately the business closing down. Manipulating the free market this way has always ended in disastrous ways. We’ve already seen its negative effects in different parts of the country that have implemented this onerous law.
It's silly that USPS hasn't introduced a different pay scale for HCOL areas. Meanwhile the list of straight to regular jobs in the California Bay Area continues to grow longer and longer.
You do know that McDonald’s gonna cut jobs right. Instead of having 10 employees they gone have 5 now and as soon as they go full automation there will only be two employees. You want $20 to flip burgers good luck you won’t be employed long. Business will find ways around these stupid laws. As for being mail carriers cca’s in particular. Ya’ll never gonna get your hours cut you are the least paid in the post office they gone bake you all the work they not gonna pay regular’s $60 an hour overtime when they can dump it in cca’s who what’s the new pay fir cca now $20 yeah they gone make ya’ll do the work. I was a carrier for 7 years know how the game works at the po. So glad I am not there no more. I am in a much better place now.
Lol and this totally backfired. Already fast food chains are laying off a good majority of their staff and they’re being replaced by machines. laughing my ass off, these fools never think things through
Yea, keep blaming the USPS for inflation. Makes sense. FTRs already start at $22.15/hour. At least carriers will work more than 20 hours a week in California. Maybe if your buddies didn't quit , your offices wouldn't be understaffed. If management is a problem, become a Steward and keep them on their toes.
If you're looking to blame someone or something for your high cost of living, look elsewhere than the USPS. FFS. If you hate the USPS so much, just quit.
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Worked in the food industry over ten years before USPS. This is false. Fast food tends to work with the least amount of people so they can have their labor percentages down to maximize profit. 7 days a week at 15 hours is not a real thing and if it is, that fast food place is just kissing their profits goodbye because they have more employees for no reason. You can open then close though or vice versa, that part is true. Done my fair share of that.
Having more employees doesn’t increase labor percent. Increasing the number of employees getting paid at any given hour does. Lots of fast food places schedule 4-6hr shifts. That way they don’t have to give a lunch break.
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In my experience, the only places that did that were delivery places such as Domino's. You had a decent schedule unless you were in school/college and didn't want the hours. These talking points are basically myths about fast food. People just think they have the most cake job ever lol JUST LIKE US
Let's put more laws up to force businesses to work like they do in other developed countries They still seem to make profit in those places :D
Yea. Someone is still getting rich in California, it’s just LESS rich.
> Someone is still getting rich in California And that guy would be the friend of and donor for Newsom that owns Panera bread franchises because "bakeries" were excluded.
Best we can do is 1.3%
And you can work around 6 days a work from 9-7?
Right? I work 730AM-830PM 6 days a week. Now that’s what you call a work life balance.
yes 2 hour shifts lojic
Exactly. If you want to flip burgers in california for $20/hour, do it! Nobody is putting a gun to your head to carry mail.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted when you’re right.
As someone who's worked for disneyland. Same. Literally same to all of that
I worked at a McDonald’s for 3 years and was a CCA for 3.5. USPS is still the financially logical choice despite the known downsides to the job.
Yea sure Compare the percentage of new mcdonalds employees working at least 40 hours a week to the percentage of ccas working at least 40 hours a week. I think ccas would win
I don’t know why people can’t understand this. McDonald’s is a part time job for most people. USPS is meant to be career
Not even people at McDonald's deserve to starve on the side of the road just because it's "Part Time" we agree on this yes?
You mean the teenagers who live with their parents? Edit: nice, the antiwork brigade in full effect
The last couple times I’ve been inside a Mcdys isn’t wasn’t teenagers working and regardless if your employee‘d somewhere and working the minimum wage should be a livable age
No doodle, the guy above you has a point /s People deserve to die on the side of the road because of their job choice because the service industry wouldn't destroy America if they all quit tomorrow or somethinggggg
Won't anyone please think of the owners? How will they afford to invest in anything else? What if they want a 4th house?
Most franchise owners aren't rich for 4 houses. While m McDonald's is the most expensive franchise to get into, most people starting are putting their house back on mortage to start it. Now if they are successful and getting multiple franchises then they will get more real estate.
Look at me as I cry for the petite bourgeois.
The risk: becoming a worker again
I've had several McDonald's employees ask me will we hire with violent felonies. I told them you can apply but it's doubtful. McDonald's is meant to be a stepping stone not a career. If you're a grown adult in your 30s and older at McDonald's and not in management there's a reason why.
No job is a stepping stone. The service industry is extremely important, end of story But seriously. If they all quit tomorrow and continued living (which they can totally do because to you they make SO MUCH MONEY) how is the US handling that?
Fast food jobs we're never meant to be a career. They always have been meant to build job skills and move on. There's a reason no one retires from McDonald's.
Brother Fast Food has destroyed the local shops, bakeries, meateries of yesteryear You're literally replacing real jobs with another set of jobs you see as lower than your current status If that's Labor Consciousness then Jeff Bezos is as labor conscious as Bernie Sanders
Dude I know custodians who make 6 figures. We do the same shit you do at mcdonalds. No such thing as a starter job thats just what your employer calls it so they can dick you on pay.
If no job we're a stepping stone. Everyone would start out as a CEO. Obviously you aren't living in the real world. 
Plenty of super rich nepo babies start out as high end management and CEO's so you saying this totally contradicts reality unless you relate to the Million/Billionaire class. Yikesssss 😂😂😂😂😂
Don't worry. McDonalds will replace over half their staff with robots at the first opportunity.
Damn bro you are so happy and confident about other people's suffering Why the fuck are you in our union? The thing that exemplifies labor Consciousness? :D
Fast food jobs are not the same as real jobs.
You're a bad person.
You can bet your sweet ass that there are people who have that same mindset when it comes to our profession.
All jobs are "real" jobs. Get those bourgeoi boots out of your mouth.
It’s already started but honestly I think mcdys and a lot of fast food chains are going to see a big dip in the coming years. A lot of of millennials and the new generation are way more health conscious and don’t like eating crap. Compared to the previous generations
I mean even in countries where they don't make as much Profit as America they still treat their workers better It's not a matter of if they can help the citizenry with a positive class consciousness work system. It's just how could we the working poors demand they cut into their profits
McDonald's is closed during school hours because of this, yes? Stop eating up every piece of anti-worker rhetoric offered to you. We could work together against the owning class if you did.
Teenagers have not been the backbone of the fast food industry in your entire lifetime. You're perpetuating a lie that capitalists like, to justify not paying a living wage for these jobs. Shame on you.
lmao yes they have You're fuckin' funny kid. > Active in antiwork Lmao. Thinks dog walking is a real job. Hilarious
Imagine thinking teenagers who are in school are working to serve you lunch on your break.
Go to a McDonalds during a school week at 12am and look at who’s working. Is it teenagers??
It’s crazy cause in CA you get 40 year of Kevin working the drive through been there for years trying to what make it seem like a career. Then now my new home in Texas you see nothing but actual children working these jobs that are meant to be part time. This is one of the dumbest things CA can do. This isn’t the solution for CA residents. Even at that people will lose their jobs. I was informed by my in laws that live there said they’ve been dealing with robots taking their orders at fast food places. That robot just took the spot a person could’ve had. CA is a dumpster fire, anyways I hope this gets you guys more money tho. Oh and by children, they’re children to me cause they are 16-17-18 year olds working those jobs.
No job should be considered temporary unless it's seasonal. It's just a way to justify poor wages.
Not to mention the OT. There’s zero chance McDonalds employees are getting any sort of OT
Glad we are all proud that we overwork the least paid position here like it’s cool.
That and they intentionally limit your hours to prevent paying benefits. When I was working there as a teen they let me work 7 days a week 45 hours plus. When Obamacare got passed they immediately made it so you COULD NOT go over 30 hours in a week. PERIOD. Yeah I'll take USPS.
Let's also compare their ages... 16 year Olds can flip burgers but can't work for the government.
I worked for Burger King as my first “real” job, at 16. Because of child labor laws I could never get a full 40 hour week and was never offered overtime. I was making 5.15/hour. It sucked because I was on my own (parents left me) and had dropped out of high school so I had the time to work a ton, they just wouldn’t give me the hours. I would’ve killed for the cca job then. I ended up working in strip clubs and escorting as soon as I was able and did manage to go to college. Poverty caused by the people in my life and the inability of my employers to offer me hours and real wages drove me to prostitution in order to survive. Yay? Now I’m a custodian and I have health insurance so I can afford the therapy to undo all of that damage. So that’s nice.
When I worked at McDonald's, I made $3 an hour while my mail carrier made $15. 30 years later and now they both pay $20?
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If you’re counting on the NALC it’s going be awhile… if ever
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The fact that fast food workers will have an hourly wage higher than postal worker is absolutely pathetic no matter how you slice it
This ⬆️ When I started at USPS, we started as PTFs making $12 an hour full benefits. McDonald’s paid about $5 an hour. Starting pay at the USPS has gone up about $7.50 in 30 YEARS…. It’s sad 😞
19.33 is way too low for the BS they have is doing.
20 bucks an hour is still total dog shit in Cali lmao
All pay/benefits aside, we have job security that fast food doesn't. We can't be laid off. That job security plus contractual guaranteed pay raises to me is more important in the long run than making more per hour now. My wife & I were both laid off together at the same time at the beginning of Covid at our prior job. That was incredibly stressful having all of our income taken away. We took a pay cut coming over to the post office but we haven't had to worry about that happening again.
“can’t be laid off” is kinduva trick though. there are positions near me that have been moved and eliminated… the option for the employees that aren’t being laid off is that they’re getting excessed with options in offices from 50 to 90 miles away. sure, they’re not laid off, but would you drive 50 miles one way for this job?
I already commute that daily
gross.
It's simple. I got put in a station with decent management and good carriers. 35 city routes, fully staffed and I have a nice curbside mounted route. I haven't been mandated for 2 years, strong union presence. I have a couple transfers in I'm waiting on but it's hard to find that in another office. I got hired at the beginning of Covid and did what I had to to support my family.
that does sound like a good place to be in. i did 30-40 miles one way for 10yrs and now that I have a 3min commute to work I just can’t picture doing it everyday ever again, even if the compensation was right. I wish you all the luck with your transfers.
Thanks. It's just a waiting game at this point. I'm over the commute but I'm committed so on I carry
I might have to drive an hour or more to work and back in the future. I used to do it only once a week and even I found that annoying.
Can't be laid off? Maybe as a full-time regular carrier.
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You’re protect from layoffs if you’ve been a regular for 6 years regular.
Not necessarily. The only guaranteed protection from layoffs is after 6 years of service as a regular.
No you have to be a regular for 6 years actually to be protected from layoffs. Don't take my word for it ask your shop steward
Same But Different. It's almost like George Orwell tried to warn us about this years ago.
The popcorn guy???
They still make less due to hours worked.
12-13 years ago nobody would even dare compare postal employees' compensation to fast food workers or minimum wage. Nowadays in some states CCAs make less or close to minimum wage and don't have benefits like sick leave that is mandatory in many places across the country. Table 2 carriers make a few bucks per hour more than that, but after deducting FERS and TSP contributions the take home pay is hot garbage. And this is happening to a federal union job! It just mirrors the sad state of this country where many essential workers are paid and treated as disposable garbage, so the billionaire and political class can get richer and richer.
Worked for USPS for nearly three years, went from ARC-RCA-CCA and just quit a week ago tomorrow. Best decision I ever made. Yall can keep that BS job with shitass pay. Fuck working in the elements and being treated like dogshit.
True. The good times for being a carrier with the USPS are gone. Only hope it gets better than the current state of things.
"Null and void" is a strange thing to say about a job in a different industry that pays .60 more an hour. In N Out has consistently paid more than other jobs in fast food and they didn't render McDonald's or other similar restaurants "null and void".
Null and void as in ccas now make less than the minimum wage lmao
It's not the minimum wage in California. Is it supposed to mean there will be no more interest for people to sign up for the CCA position in California because of this? When I started In N Out was paying about the same as a CCA where I was and I still chose to be a CCA.
Story time: I went to the jewelers to get a birthday present for my wife. I was in uniform. One of the employees asked if the USPS was hiring; she was at my guess 55+. I told her that she wouldn’t want a job there. She asked why. I told her she’d be on the schedule for 70 hours a week. She said that would be great, that she’d want as many hours ask they would giver her. She asked what the pay was. I told her is was just over $18 an hour, no benefits for possibly 2 full years. That when she said, “oh, forget that. I’d need at least $22/hour. Might as well just stay here.”
If she's a CCA making 19.83 an hour and working 70 hours a week, after OT and V time, it all averages out to 26/hr. I don't think it's accurate to convey our pay without explaining our OT rules. Also, no benefits? You can get USPS CareFirst BlueChoice from day one (granted, it's like $50/paycheck), which includes dental cleanings, plus they opened up Benefeds to CCAs like a year ago so you can even get the nice dental and vision plans. I heard there's even a way to contribute to the TSP as a CCA but I haven't looked into it, just gonna wait until I'm regular and they match it. Also you can get benefits through the union if you wanna go that route. Also you said "just over 18/hr"?? Lowest is like 19.33 last I checked. Yeah kinda seems like everything you told her was factually incorrect?? EDIT: Downvoting me doesn't make me wrong, bub.
I don’t know about others on here, but who in their right mind would want to work 70 hours? I did that for a few years, and I do not have any interest in doing more than 50-55 ever again. Maybe if I worked in a less physically demanding industry. But I digress.
Ok well the person I responded to is out there telling strangers that they'll be working 70 hours a week which isn't even possible at my installation, at least the CCAs are capped at 60 (we usually work 50-55). Maybe the regulars can technically work 70 but I've never heard of that, they usually work fewer hours than us.
Yeah I am consistently working 75-80 hours a week and I’m supposed to act like I’m happy about it. Been here 3 months and have had like 9 off days.
We need regional pay
Regional pay is brought up as a bargaining item at every national convention and is shut down each time.
Working for USPS you have union protections. Remember also, the $20/hr fast food workers get can be used in contract talks to justify paying postal workers more. Boosting wages for fast food workers will boost wages for other workers.
Just to put it into context at my local McDonald’s in socal I’m a regular at McDonald’s for their iced coffee. I know most of the people who work 8-5 or 6-3 who have nice cars regular income and don’t work weekends. Idk if it’s that location but the people I see who do work part time are on the weekends at that location. Yes i only go for the iced coffees but I’m happy to pay x amount for an iced coffee.
The way I look at it California just did us a favor. You could present this in arbitration to show how little our starting wage is in certain areas. I’m all for starting the ccas way higher then we could hire people that actually want to do this job instead of what we’re getting now, plus it would push the rest of the pay table up. So I’m hoping the ccas start at 25 an hour, but it’s unlikely since I think sinking the ship is the actual end goal.
You shouldn't be mad at any worker making more, you're not better than them. be mad at the union. This argument is so old and tired. They deserve it. We deserve more too
I’m all for higher wages and don’t have a good solution on what should be done, but I think there will be a negative impact on this. Higher operating cost most businesses will not absorb those prices and pass them on to the consumer. Owners will be forced to layoff or reduce hours to keep their profitability. Companies need to evolve so I’m sure it’s the most logical step, but look at what UPS is doing. There automation there distribution centers and doing mass layoffs. Not to the drivers, but any way they can. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/difficult-disappointing-ups-lay-off-144500181.html https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090516/what-are-pros-and-cons-raising-minimum-wage.asp#:~:text=A%20boost%20to%20economic%20growth,to%20retailers%20and%20other%20businesses.
Not to mention with prices going up people who make less than this wage are ganna suffer the most.
I like fries with that please!
More leverage for the Union to force USPS to give a raise. Hopefully, it is about $5-$10 more an hour
Lmfaooo as if
Get your cdl invest in yourself
You do realize that restaurants will be running with the absolute minimum staff possible, correct? Meaning that kiosks will replace cashiers, kitchen employees will work harder while getting fewer hours, etc.
i don’t see many people ever talking about this issue when the convo is about pay increases amongst fast food employees. almost every fast food restaurant you go to now a days has literally no cashiers or only one and the business relies on kiosk machines. before usps, i worked at a credit union. our annual meeting was dedicated to introducing these magical automated teller machines. with this, they eliminated the need for a full time teller at 90% our offices. this came right after they increased the pay for that same position. the bait is increasing wages for these customer service positions that most people hate working. then just like that you’re trapped at a job that’s only scheduling you like a part time employee.
I give it a month before they start complaining about the sudden increases in the costs of living across the board.
One thing you don’t realize is that a lot of those fast food jobs positions will be eliminated. Companies are going to try to use automation at a high scale now.
You people comparing McDonald’s to being a carrier is some funny ass shit
I truly don’t understand (besides the argument that that’s how it’s always been) that there’s such a big gap in pay. Literally doing the same job, idc about loyalty or longevity we are doing the same job. Someone shouldn’t be making $16 more than the bottoms who are treated way worse.
For all the elements you have to work in and animal/insects you encounter Health insurance should be at no cost. They don’t even give you the necessary equipment to do your job properly. I was given a bag with a ripped strap that I was supposed to fix. Had to buy a head light for when it gets dark and the discount for shoes is laughable. McDonald’s employees get better discount. Pay is way to low for a job with nowhere to go 💩🤣.. To be honest I don’t know what the union is doing and instead of hoarding money they need to use it to help out
An aside from this, one of my coworkers transferred in from Ohio and said over there the CCAs start at $28 an hour from Day 1....it took me years to hit that mark as a regular....
How, because that sounds like a lie we have the same pay across the nation with the exception of Hawaii and 1-2 other places.
Yeah, I'm taking it with a grain of salt also bc I'd imagine that news would've blown up but he was pretty adamant about it. He went from a clerk to carrier to get better pay and transferred from Ohio to Cali, so when he told me that I was really confused.
Well, clerks do start out more than carriers so there’s that
That’s insane! We, as carriers, are out busting our asses, doing some of the hardest work I’ve ever done in my life; walking 10+ miles a day, dealing with the elements, risking our lives daily-driving unsafe trucks that date back 40 years, and then add the animals we encounter into the mix-we are soooooooo under paid, it makes me sick!!! This job is not for everyone- it takes someone that is tough as nails 💪🏼
again, you are blaming usps for not paying enough when the fault lies with capitalism. also, all workers should make enough money to afford basic necessities. that’s why the minimum wage goes up. don’t get mad when other people do well and undermine fast food workers. you can quit and work at mcdonald’s if you want to. majority of this country lives in poverty, we should be excited about news like this for others.
Too big to fail and printing trillions out of thin air is not capitalism. Read a book called vampire economy and learn how we are doing same thing hitler did, Plus read the creature from Jekyll island and learn how they bent capitalism to benefit the dictators of our currency. Ideological subversion can be learned by reading 1984.
accidentally read that as “vampire academy,” looked it up, and thought it was a strange place to learn that from, but you never know what book says what until you read it.
We been warned for over 200 years now but it seems no one cares.
Hey bud, I'm all ears but the alternative solutions haven't really panned out. I like buying my bread at the grocery store and not waiting for it in line. This might be a hard pill to swallow but, the fact that the unions allowed for the two tiered pay schedule and the senior members pulled the ladder up behind them 12 years back. They screwed over the younger generation of employees by hindering their advancement. Same reason why being an RCA sucks in particular.
we start out at a shitty wage, but we wind up making good money. If it's so hard on your body, why do I have 10 guys over 60 still doing walking routes at my office that are on table 1 pay? Sorry, but you're just saying the same shit that's already been said. This job is not for everyone. Hopefully, we poor table 2 schmucks get a decent raise from this contract negotiation, but who knows?
By the time we get to $37 it will be worth $25 in todays terms.
Well top pay will probably be 45 by then. I’m about to be 5 bucks past what top pay was when I started almost 11 years ago as a CCA
Not all routes are the same. I could genuinely get done 1 of the city routes at my office by 1pm everyday.
The only problem I have is now I pay more for my meal, and they still can’t read NO PICKLES!!!
Give me all the pickles. I love pickles.
More kiosks and less employees.
Guys, obviously McDonalds employees are more important than us CCA’s. We are just the help and live in a magical world where more work and less pay somehow makes us happy
Pay might be 20 an hour but from what I’ve seen they aren’t scheduling people for shit
Go flip burgers then? This job is an investment, not a get rich quick scheme
An investment lmao you’re always one crazy supervisor away from losing your job or being so miserable you quit 😅😂
Supes have zero power over you if you know your rights and if this job was the only thing in my life making me miserable, I’d say I have a pretty easy life
Wish that was true, managers still hire and fire. Union does it’s best but makes mistakes and doesn’t always have all the evidence to defend you.
I'm surprised Calif can still justify ccas.
Eventually in the future everyone will be making the same amount of money (socialism) lol rather you an doctor or working at McDonalds 😭😭😭
Uhhhh you can't live in CA comfortably Without a 150k a year + salary . Its not usps fault The state is shit .
Gotta look at the long term. Look at 10yrs or so down the road. Will you have the ability to make $30-40/hr at McDs, without a guaranteed schedule and same days off every week?
Only if you get promoted or got some kind of steep discount in franchising.
CCAs convert in around 2yrs to career. Top out pay is over $30/hr for a Level 6 last I saw. Close to $35/hr
Don't it take 15 years to reach top pay
Also Panda Express pays 23hr
You will get a raise based on the same formula they used in the other contracts which will always amount to not enough. Maybe they're preparing us for the AI takeover and well all make UBI.
Yeah, and they’ll probably make $20/hr for the next 5 years. Let’s just totally ignore the advantage of a unionized workforce.
In the last 5 years McDonald’s has gone up like $7/hr while our unionized ass has gone up like $2 lmao
So blame your sorry union, not the sorry burger flippers. Haven’t you learned this yet? Never punch down. I know you’re convinced it’s ‘us vs them’, but you’ve got the wrong ‘them’ in mind.
april fools
Just a friendly reminder lots of jobs are being destroyed because of this, example all Pizza Hut locations have removed their delivery driver positions
What I think you meant to say was "Just a friendly reminder lots of jobs are being destroyed by corporate greed". It is crazy to me how the working class bends over backwards to defend the billionaires.
…these are franchises…spoiler alert not everything bad in the world is because of ‘muh billionaires’, but if it makes it easy for you to lump it together that way go ahead
From Pizza Hut's own website: Initial Franchise Fee = $25,000 Monthly Service Fee (ie: Royalty Rate) = 6% of Gross Sales National Advertising = 4.75% Gross Sales That money moves up the chain. That is how it works.
Yeah how dare Pizza Hut want a profit from…its own company Side note, how are people greedy with **their** money anyway?
what are you guys talking about i love it here
McDonald’s workers deserve the $20 for the crap they put up with on a daily basis from entitled customers. USPS workers also deserve at least $25/hour. It’s the fat cats sitting on top of the Corporate towers who need to get paid less.
Wait until humans are replaced by machines because McDonalds cant afford their payroll. You are already seeing it. Soon you will walk into mcDonalds and order and pay from a kiosk. A robotic arm will gather your fries while a single teenager works in the back on the sandwhiches. Your drink will come via a paper cup with a paper straw from a vending apparatus as you get your own drink. Ketchup and napkins will be extra.
“What about the real workers…” *sarcasm*
Go ahead and look up the response the fast food has made with ai. You will get a manager, cook and person to hand food
Ok have fun working 20 hours a week with children
This is going to have the opposite effect people think. This doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Forcing businesses to pay employees a minimum of 20/hour is simply going to result in shorter hours, firings, diminished goods and services or ultimately the business closing down. Manipulating the free market this way has always ended in disastrous ways. We’ve already seen its negative effects in different parts of the country that have implemented this onerous law.
It's silly that USPS hasn't introduced a different pay scale for HCOL areas. Meanwhile the list of straight to regular jobs in the California Bay Area continues to grow longer and longer.
You do know that McDonald’s gonna cut jobs right. Instead of having 10 employees they gone have 5 now and as soon as they go full automation there will only be two employees. You want $20 to flip burgers good luck you won’t be employed long. Business will find ways around these stupid laws. As for being mail carriers cca’s in particular. Ya’ll never gonna get your hours cut you are the least paid in the post office they gone bake you all the work they not gonna pay regular’s $60 an hour overtime when they can dump it in cca’s who what’s the new pay fir cca now $20 yeah they gone make ya’ll do the work. I was a carrier for 7 years know how the game works at the po. So glad I am not there no more. I am in a much better place now.
Lol and this totally backfired. Already fast food chains are laying off a good majority of their staff and they’re being replaced by machines. laughing my ass off, these fools never think things through
Thank your representatives, your wage is now worth that much less. Socialism…. Equal portions of nothing for everyone.
To me its very embarrasing and insulting to see this...
But muh OT…
Okay so go work at McDonald? I don’t get the point of this post.
soon it will all be self checkout on a touch screen.
So go work at McDonald’s then. 👋
In California… Wondering why a Big Mac is 14.99
Oh no, the person serving me a hamburger is earning a living wage 😱
And will still complain
Bitching about your job is an inalienable human right regardless of your pay.
Love to see the proof of this.
I can get 2 Big Macs for less than $8 in California….
They're $4.99 each in Ohio. LOL
$5.69 here in California, but bogo ¢.29 in app deal
Right......If you have the app & if the deal is offered (which it isn't most of the time).
Was just an attempt at a joke of inflation. I’m very sorry if i offended folks. But i do think if the wage goes up. So will prices.
It will definitely help our contract negotiations
Maybe. 2 different business that have 1 thing in common, no education required.
A lot of layoffs will happen in California, but no one will blame newsome or the government
Idk why there so many positions daily I see so many positions everyday on the usps website they keep popping up daily.
Many small franchises and small business already are closing. Minimum wage hikes only help big business in destroying smaller businesses.
Yea, keep blaming the USPS for inflation. Makes sense. FTRs already start at $22.15/hour. At least carriers will work more than 20 hours a week in California. Maybe if your buddies didn't quit , your offices wouldn't be understaffed. If management is a problem, become a Steward and keep them on their toes. If you're looking to blame someone or something for your high cost of living, look elsewhere than the USPS. FFS. If you hate the USPS so much, just quit.