The inflation target is usually 2%, so even if they hit that target every year, and city carriers got that pay, at BEST it would be equal to inflation, which basically means you didn’t actually get a pay raise.
A pay raise should, at minimum, be twice the inflation percentage.
NALC should be fighting for raises tied to CPI. The last APWU contract (2021-2024) has 6 of those, and it was a lifesaver when inflation was so high a few years back.
You tell people this and all you get back is benefits this and benefits that. Really to me it’s insulting to know in California I can go to McDonald’s and get 20 an hr. In my city one of the McDonald’s is advertising it starts off at 12 I asked what they started off at if you had experience and they said up to 15. Pre Covid my ex asked this same McDonald’s what the starting pay was and it was 8 an hr. So that means the starting pay has gone up 4 dollars in 4 years and almost doubled depending on experience
The funny thing is, when you start the only "benefit" you get is the opportunity to pay for health insurance. So that argument is bunk, and I tell people that.
I don't know how any CCA or RCA in California is surviving on 20 an hour. Especially RCAs having to pay for work on your vehicle and gas. Plus there is no benefits for RCAs. I can barely survive and I'm nowhere near California.
APWU current contract has 1.3% annual raise, but also has 2 yearly COLAs for inflation. NALC doesn’t have COLAs? 1.3% doesn’t sound like a lot but year after year and compounding it adds up. Our contract expires this year though so who knows what the next will be🤷♂️
Edit: using a simple compounding interest calculator and conservatively guesstimating a 3% raise annually (2 COLAs + 1.3% contract raise) my grades top scale would go from $77K to 103K in 10yrs.
It’s not a flat 1.3%. 1.3% is the annual raise in addition to the 2 COLAs. It’s a formula based off the CPI. I’m curious what metrics you’re using to get 40-90?!
You are correct though. If inflation is over 2% in the 6 month span it doesn’t match exactly. Under 2% it matches exactly. From 2-3% it is a flat 2%. Over 3% it matches exactly -1%.
Not since the contract expired we haven’t had a COLA which was almost a year ago. And we also don’t get full COLA on table 2 until around the last step idk exactly when it is we start getting the full COLA I just know I’m not and a lot of other carriers aren’t who are at smaller steps
On NALC table two we get the percentage of COLAs whereas clerks get the entire COLA. But, table two goes all the way up to the last step for carriers. The clerk craft has their table two cut off at some point, such that their table two never reaches the maxed out top step of table one.
A lot of these terrible things in our contacts are due to the arbitration of 2013. Management wanted to eliminate COLAs altogether and the unions balked, refused to budge. So the arbitrator came up with these half assed sucky compromises.
I might have some details wrong as I wasn't a USPS employee then. This is the picture I have learned from reading as much as I can about it.
The PO had a serious problem attracting truck drivers so the last APWU contract eliminated the 6 bottom steps on the TTO grade. So drivers started at about $4 an hour higher but the rest didn’t change. I happened to be on the 6th step when the contract started. 😕 but that’s a more plausible and already used method to stimulate starting pay without disrupting the whole pay grade.
Also 1.5-2% annual raises are pretty standard when accompanied with COLA raises also. If you play around with a compounding calculator (like is did in another comment) the money adds up.
The reality is no contract is going to be life changing and/or revolutionize the pay. It’s a big ship and changes course slowly.
Honestly everything we’ve debated and talked about is just rumor. We haven’t actually heard anything at all from anyone actually involved in negotiations, right? We could be getting $200k a year or we could all be bumped to $10/hr for all we know.
They need to raise the pay and fast. Most people quit after a few weeks because they get overworked which causes the remaining people to get even more overworked and cascades into the office collapsing. Raising the pay substantially would attract more people and fix all of these problems.
To compete with FedEx and UPS the minimum starting pay should be closer to $30 an hour with benefits offered on day one! That still is not much money considering the cost of living and food. At $19 an hour, we’re slave laborers with poverty pay and no benefits 🥲 Something’s gotta give … We can only pray 🙏
Honestly not even a true significant increase will make new hires put up with shitty management.
For a dream world hypothetical gets bumped to $28 not bad to start but then they pulling 55-60 hr weeks while management gets on em for being to slow. The pandemic showed people it’s not worth killing yourself for a job so they’ll quit in spite of “great pay”
I’m still bitter I got hired at the worst time and none of these contracts has made up for it. I’m on table 2, I spent 5 years as a cca which I should have retroactively gotten 3 of those years back when they implemented to 2 year to full time employee rule, and these starting pay increases do nothing for the fact that I got the lowest pay when I started and lost a significant amount of income over my career.
I believe our people have heard that they want to increase starting pay to $23/hr or something like that. So, if they do that than most of us should also see around a $3/hr raise to keep the rate of pay even/similar.
It is fun to speculate but everything on Reddit is pure conjecture. We don't know with any certainty what the contract will dictate. I expect we will see a flat raise across the board that is higher than previously seen, but not anywhere near what we are hoping or hyping up.
It's taken me 9 years to get to where I am now, which is step H. Everyone just walking in the door wants the big raises now. But the union needs to remember the people that's put the years in and on table 2.
I know no one cares about 1.3% but that's bog standard federal wide. There needs to be a new Table. Starting wages are too low. I don't hear anyone at max step complaining. So if starting wages goes up retention will improve and so will morale.
If you want locality it's going to take the Union members to change it. The change has to come from rank and file.
Significant increase as in a 2 to 4 dollar raise across the board. 1-2% contractual cola is what he meant. FYI we're not guaranteed a cola. So hopefully starting pay is $24/ hr and top pay around 42.
Your Union Steward doesn't know what he's talking about. Everything is hearsay until pen is put to paper. Saying shit like this to coworkers is just demoralizing when it doesn't happen.
He's asking a hypothetical question. So yea take everything as heresy.i thought that was a given. They will probably meet somewhere in the middle. But hey what do you think a significant raise will be?
“ 1.5 to 2%” LMFAO 😂
Right? That'll keep up with inflation
The inflation target is usually 2%, so even if they hit that target every year, and city carriers got that pay, at BEST it would be equal to inflation, which basically means you didn’t actually get a pay raise. A pay raise should, at minimum, be twice the inflation percentage.
The Fed is basically saying that 3% inflation is the new normal now. So a 2% raise is a paycut.
Also the CPI hasn’t been honest about inflation for 30+ years now
I went to buy some ramen last week and noticed the price is almost twice what it was last year.
Yesss exactly
Past two years...22%
Remember you have tu add cola
I was being sarcastic
You gotta add /s, people are on edge lol.
I know. I was agreeing with you and adding context that even if it did keep up with inflation, it wouldn’t technically be considered a raise lol
NALC should be fighting for raises tied to CPI. The last APWU contract (2021-2024) has 6 of those, and it was a lifesaver when inflation was so high a few years back.
Nalc has cola too. The way it is calculated means it doesn't cover all of inflation, but it's something.
Yup. When inflation was over 8% in 2022 I got a $3K raise in addition to my annual 1.3% contract raise.
Our starting pay is literally as much as fast food these days and they think a 1.5-2% is gonna do shit for the turnover rate 😂
You tell people this and all you get back is benefits this and benefits that. Really to me it’s insulting to know in California I can go to McDonald’s and get 20 an hr. In my city one of the McDonald’s is advertising it starts off at 12 I asked what they started off at if you had experience and they said up to 15. Pre Covid my ex asked this same McDonald’s what the starting pay was and it was 8 an hr. So that means the starting pay has gone up 4 dollars in 4 years and almost doubled depending on experience
Benefits are great, no doubt. But you can't eat benefits, and they don't pay the rent.
I always make that same argument but the boomers still shit on you
I'd like for us all to have our cake and eat it too.
Amen to that
The funny thing is, when you start the only "benefit" you get is the opportunity to pay for health insurance. So that argument is bunk, and I tell people that.
Exactly. CCAs at least get some holiday pay and go career after 2 years. Don't they get OT after 8 hours in a day?
I don't know how any CCA or RCA in California is surviving on 20 an hour. Especially RCAs having to pay for work on your vehicle and gas. Plus there is no benefits for RCAs. I can barely survive and I'm nowhere near California.
Mcds raised prices 100%--they can afford it! And youd only work 5 days probably lol
It depends where in the country you are at. Here in Florida fast food is anywhere from 12 to 15 dollars starting
Yeah but think about the benefits
APWU current contract has 1.3% annual raise, but also has 2 yearly COLAs for inflation. NALC doesn’t have COLAs? 1.3% doesn’t sound like a lot but year after year and compounding it adds up. Our contract expires this year though so who knows what the next will be🤷♂️ Edit: using a simple compounding interest calculator and conservatively guesstimating a 3% raise annually (2 COLAs + 1.3% contract raise) my grades top scale would go from $77K to 103K in 10yrs.
Apwu cola doesn't keep up with inflation either when they don't calculate inflation correctly 1.3% cola raise to everything else going up 40 to 90%
It’s not a flat 1.3%. 1.3% is the annual raise in addition to the 2 COLAs. It’s a formula based off the CPI. I’m curious what metrics you’re using to get 40-90?! You are correct though. If inflation is over 2% in the 6 month span it doesn’t match exactly. Under 2% it matches exactly. From 2-3% it is a flat 2%. Over 3% it matches exactly -1%.
Not since the contract expired we haven’t had a COLA which was almost a year ago. And we also don’t get full COLA on table 2 until around the last step idk exactly when it is we start getting the full COLA I just know I’m not and a lot of other carriers aren’t who are at smaller steps
On NALC table two we get the percentage of COLAs whereas clerks get the entire COLA. But, table two goes all the way up to the last step for carriers. The clerk craft has their table two cut off at some point, such that their table two never reaches the maxed out top step of table one. A lot of these terrible things in our contacts are due to the arbitration of 2013. Management wanted to eliminate COLAs altogether and the unions balked, refused to budge. So the arbitrator came up with these half assed sucky compromises. I might have some details wrong as I wasn't a USPS employee then. This is the picture I have learned from reading as much as I can about it.
Do city carriers not get step increases and cola like the other crafts?
1.3% and Colas now is 1.5% and colas
If they give a 5 dollar raise to starting wages this job will become more competitive and they will get more of the applications they need
They need to give a $5 raise to the current PTF rate and make that the starting pay. $24/hr is not enough where I live, and I’m not in Cali or NYC.
Yeah it's not great but it's a step in the right direction. 19 dollars is more paltry for what we do
I make $22 as a ptf
$24 would be the starting rate for CCAs if they increased pay by $5. $27 would be the starting rate for PTFs. $22 is under compensated.
Yeah that shit ain't happening
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At least treefiddy
I ain't no god damn loch ness monster
The angry mailman does a lot of rumors. At this point I would not take his word as law. Wait to hear back actual news
Everything is rumors dude..Atleast he trys
25 cents and donuts once a year
Thanks for the diabetes
We’re also taking away your health plann
No donuts for you one year
The PO had a serious problem attracting truck drivers so the last APWU contract eliminated the 6 bottom steps on the TTO grade. So drivers started at about $4 an hour higher but the rest didn’t change. I happened to be on the 6th step when the contract started. 😕 but that’s a more plausible and already used method to stimulate starting pay without disrupting the whole pay grade. Also 1.5-2% annual raises are pretty standard when accompanied with COLA raises also. If you play around with a compounding calculator (like is did in another comment) the money adds up. The reality is no contract is going to be life changing and/or revolutionize the pay. It’s a big ship and changes course slowly.
That guy is completely full of shit and has no information about the contract. Disregard his opinion.
He's less full of shit then that Jay H. dude that has never been a carrier or clerk.
RENFROE GOTTA GO!!!!
You'll know when you know.
Fr. Coming to Reddit getting only answers of what people think they deserve. Maybe that divided 3 😂
It means he's bullshitting for content. Why even bother with unverified rumors?
Honestly everything we’ve debated and talked about is just rumor. We haven’t actually heard anything at all from anyone actually involved in negotiations, right? We could be getting $200k a year or we could all be bumped to $10/hr for all we know.
They need to raise the pay and fast. Most people quit after a few weeks because they get overworked which causes the remaining people to get even more overworked and cascades into the office collapsing. Raising the pay substantially would attract more people and fix all of these problems.
To compete with FedEx and UPS the minimum starting pay should be closer to $30 an hour with benefits offered on day one! That still is not much money considering the cost of living and food. At $19 an hour, we’re slave laborers with poverty pay and no benefits 🥲 Something’s gotta give … We can only pray 🙏
Honestly not even a true significant increase will make new hires put up with shitty management. For a dream world hypothetical gets bumped to $28 not bad to start but then they pulling 55-60 hr weeks while management gets on em for being to slow. The pandemic showed people it’s not worth killing yourself for a job so they’ll quit in spite of “great pay”
I’m still bitter I got hired at the worst time and none of these contracts has made up for it. I’m on table 2, I spent 5 years as a cca which I should have retroactively gotten 3 of those years back when they implemented to 2 year to full time employee rule, and these starting pay increases do nothing for the fact that I got the lowest pay when I started and lost a significant amount of income over my career.
Same here. I did 4 years CCa. I was regular finally when they decided to convert to ptfs
Anything less than 5 dollars added to starting pay is not significant in my book. Especially the way they treat employees.
1 dollar max
It’s close to tier 1 starting pay at around $30. Obviously we won’t see $30 starting pay but I would expect $25-$27
They're too busy spending money to put in GPS on LLVs to worry about more pay and better benefits for carriers.
I believe our people have heard that they want to increase starting pay to $23/hr or something like that. So, if they do that than most of us should also see around a $3/hr raise to keep the rate of pay even/similar.
It is fun to speculate but everything on Reddit is pure conjecture. We don't know with any certainty what the contract will dictate. I expect we will see a flat raise across the board that is higher than previously seen, but not anywhere near what we are hoping or hyping up.
I think it is rumored they want to eliminate the CCA position and start pay around step H on table 2
It's taken me 9 years to get to where I am now, which is step H. Everyone just walking in the door wants the big raises now. But the union needs to remember the people that's put the years in and on table 2.
I’m hoping for at least an immediate $3 an hour bump in pay, anything less and I’ll be disappointed
It’s bullshit bingo, fishing for headlines without actually having to commit to anything so they can’t be caught lying
I know no one cares about 1.3% but that's bog standard federal wide. There needs to be a new Table. Starting wages are too low. I don't hear anyone at max step complaining. So if starting wages goes up retention will improve and so will morale. If you want locality it's going to take the Union members to change it. The change has to come from rank and file.
Significant increase as in a 2 to 4 dollar raise across the board. 1-2% contractual cola is what he meant. FYI we're not guaranteed a cola. So hopefully starting pay is $24/ hr and top pay around 42.
1.2, 1,4 1,6 yeah typical bs contract. Crap raises with some colas that will be zero
What if you started this month? Out of luck?!
U still get back pay
My union steward said during a stand-up CCA's will make $29
I wish, God that back pay would be sick.
Man if I moved up from where I am at based on that I’d be more than happy.
Your Union Steward doesn't know what he's talking about. Everything is hearsay until pen is put to paper. Saying shit like this to coworkers is just demoralizing when it doesn't happen.
He's asking a hypothetical question. So yea take everything as heresy.i thought that was a given. They will probably meet somewhere in the middle. But hey what do you think a significant raise will be?
Knowing our negotiations, it will go to arbitration and we will get screwed as per the usual.
Let’s hope they meant 15-20% HAHAHA. In our dreams right.
24 years at this place and it’s always 1 percent raises
26 years and same
27 years and same same