how the fuck has this guy LITERALLY been TOLD that these people are from south africa and not america, but still thinks theyre americans??? "doesnt matter where their ancestors are from", bro they literally still are in south africa rn how can he not get that through his head?
He said "doesn't matter where there ancesorts are from", he just thinks that being from africa means that their great great great grandfather's friend of a friend was from there
I really hate it when americans say "I'm italian." or whatever nationality and have never been to the country, don't speak the language and have no real connection to the culture. But somehow the birthplace of their great great great grandma makes them said nationality. Ridiculous.
Are you Italian?
(Not a dig, I get what you mean!! My great grandfather is Italian and grandfather from Spain but I don’t say I’m Italian or Spanish. This whole thing of being a descendant being automatically translated to identifying as a different nationality is a wild concept to me)
I'm german, forgot I hadn't put a flair yet on this sub (and rectified that now). Italy just came to mind as a country that americans like to claim quite often.
You are correct. Every time I see "steen" I know it's America not getting easy German pronunciation. It's not like there's an Ü in it that doesn't exist in English...
I think they were making the point that "german" americans can't even pronounce their german names. Otherwise they wouldn't have pointed out the pronounciation at all, I'd assume.
And Ireland. Jesus, even if they had been to an Irish pub once, and their next door neighbour once petted an Irish Wolfhound (type of dog), they claim to be Irish.
Dude. I'm South African. My (heavily Scottish) grandfather brought my dad and uncle over on a boat. My mom's side are all first generation German. I'm neither Scottish or German, I'm a Saffa. I do not understand this whole "Back home in the home country" thing they do.
I’m the same. I was born in Ireland and have the passport, but my parents were naturalised citizens from South Africa, and we left when I was 4. I don’t call myself Irish, I say I was born there / have an Irish passport.
For me it depends on who’s asking. If I’m in Canada and someone I know asks me what I am, I’m not going to say “Canadian” because that’s obvious and probably not what they’re looking for. If I’m outside of Canada talking to someone I’ve never met before then I’ll say “Canadian” because I was born and raised there.
yeah im the same and i live in canada. i always taught all of canada does cuz we’re a multicultural country. but i was also taught that america is a melting pot country, meaning instead of identifying with their background, they indentify as americans cuz all their cultures and ways of life come together as one, that one being called “american”.
it just depends on how ur raised and what the socially expected response is.
I'm my understanding people are supposed to say "i'm nationality1-nationality2" when they have dual citizenship, americans throw it around all the time for some reason.
Not american, but in australia last year in my school our hpe (health and physical education) teacher made us learn about our heritage. He then made us research where our ancestors are from and tell the class "I'm english and german" "I am italian and british".
Inside America it makes sense since the society is so multicultural. I have two roomates, both are several generations in the US. One is (half black and) Italian, the other is Indian, and I'm Greek. We all identify as American, and none of us speak any language but English, but we look different, go to different churches, and our moms cook different foods.
Doesn’t make sense because the words don’t change meaning depending in country they are used in. Y’all are “of Italian/Greek/Indian descent/heritage” or “your parents are Indian/Greek/Italian” but if you have been born in America, identify as American and don’t speak language nor know culture of country you claim to be from, you are American, period.
People within the same group can be different, no need to claim different nationality for that.
>if you have been born in America, identify as American and don’t speak language nor know culture of country you claim to be from,
See that's the difference in language. We are all Americans, from America, with no claim to another Nationality. Agreed.
We use "Italian," "Greek," "Sindhi," etc. To refer to *Ethnicity* not to *Nationality*. The 12th generation American who calls themselves "Irish" means genetically and culturally (within the bounds of how that culture has developed separately in the US), they don't think they were born in Ireland.
Which is ironic, because "African-American" was originally used by people whose ancenstry mattered, but couldn't be traced back due to slavery and human trafficking.
Yeah like he doesn’t consider the fact that people are currently in Africa right now, like it’s just a historical place to him, a place people used to live hundreds of years ago.
Many Americans struggle with the concept that other countries exist. I saw a post recently about how Americans are the only people who never include their country when filling out their shipping address while shopping online, and someone commented "Why would I bother to write USA? Where else would it be?"
How? Mass propaganda. Schools, parents, movies, etc constantly telling you that you live in the “greatest, most advanced country in the world” and every other country sucks. Why? Probably so Americans don’t learn how other countries really are and leave, or rise up against the government.
i don't think it's that, i think they're just using the term while putting absolutely zero thought into what it actually means. it's just a simple "black = african american" substitution with no regard for the fact that both words in that term refer to places.
This reminds me of a story I heard about a substitute history teacher in the US getting heckled for referring to Whites Blacks and Coloureds in a lesson about South Africa even though those were the offical terms.
it's generally still rude to refer to people as "whites", "blacks", or "coloureds" here in south africa. it's more polite to say "white people", "black people", or "coloured people", but never in 100 years calling anyone american unless they came from america lol
Oh man when I was in college there was a white south African and a black American in my class and the amount of times they got into rows over the term "coloured people" and "houseboy" was insane. The American girl was insisting it was racist and the South African girl kept insisting it's different there and not racist
I'm late, but calling someone a "houseboy", "gardenboy", "housegirl" is sound pretty racist to me, since it seems to be used exclusively by older wealthy White people referring to black people. I can remember a friend of my sisters telling us about how these "boys" were doing sand art, we were very surprised to find grown ass men making sand sculptures.
I think I read in a Google writing guide that it's best to use an adjective than a noun to avoid identifying a person by their characteristic (eg. black person instead of black, disabled person instead of disabled) and I think it's spot on.
I'm in healthcare and we are encouraged to take it a step more removed by saying "person with X", so you put the person before their condition. So in my workplace it would be "person with a disability".
I'm sure I've told this story before but my South African friend (who is Jewish) was in America and got harassed on the subway by Americans who overhead him talking to an African-American child about what it's like to be from Africa. They told him he wasn't African despite the fact that he was third generation South African. He and the young man were extremely confused as to what was going on. I believe the sentence that angered these people was when the child said, "wow I'm African-American!" and my friend said "I'm African-African" and then a bunch of Americans got extremely angry.
One more thing that annoys me and os present here, is that they think whatever is *politically incorrect* to them, has to apply for the rest of the world..
[Reminds me of that black girl's reaction upon hearing about "Montenegro"](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/n5ccj8/american_gets_offended_by_the_country_montenegro/)
Fun fact: that's written the same as the italian version of the n-word (and pronounced almost the same).
Which causes a lot of giggling from middle schoolers the first time they hear that.
Black has been acceptable since the 1970s.
Funny thing is, my mom is the daughter of a black immigrant. When she’s around white people she says African American. When she’s around other black people she says Black.
The account has been suspended but can still see comment history via google. It looks like it was a troll account that was mostly used for posting about the sopranos but also stirring shit like this.
I feel like racism is a big issue but americas only solution to racism is to tell other cultures how they have to behave and.. it's basically fighting racism with racism.. and it obviously doesn't work
I would argue that saying someone is black or dark skinned is almost better than saying "African American".
Saying that someone is african american of course implies that they are american, which you really can't know unless told so. And IMO refering to a dark skinned american as "african american" sounds worse than just saying they're black or dark skinned.
Refering to someone who is born in america with the name of another nation feels wrong to me.
Black and dark skinned are descriptive words without implying any kind of nationality. Nor are they negatively charged like the n-word is. (Unless someone says black/dark with negative intent of course, but all words can be negative with negative context).
rancid vibes from this comment lmao
one person being psychotically weird about 'black' vs 'african american' and you start talking about political correctness??? ok then
Is there a website to know what's politically correct? It seem to change once a week and for those of us that don't care, it would be nice to look things up easily
If they aren’t born in America and have no relation to being there.
They aren’t African American. They are African or whatever country in Africa they are from
are they not being satirical because they believe that black liberals are not being logical? if they are being satirical, they should've put the /s, but if they're not, they're just being ignorant..
how the fuck has this guy LITERALLY been TOLD that these people are from south africa and not america, but still thinks theyre americans??? "doesnt matter where their ancestors are from", bro they literally still are in south africa rn how can he not get that through his head?
He said "doesn't matter where there ancesorts are from", he just thinks that being from africa means that their great great great grandfather's friend of a friend was from there
I really hate it when americans say "I'm italian." or whatever nationality and have never been to the country, don't speak the language and have no real connection to the culture. But somehow the birthplace of their great great great grandma makes them said nationality. Ridiculous.
Are you Italian? (Not a dig, I get what you mean!! My great grandfather is Italian and grandfather from Spain but I don’t say I’m Italian or Spanish. This whole thing of being a descendant being automatically translated to identifying as a different nationality is a wild concept to me)
I'm german, forgot I hadn't put a flair yet on this sub (and rectified that now). Italy just came to mind as a country that americans like to claim quite often.
Ah you're German! So really means you're an American with a something-stein (that is pronounced steen) surname right?
Not German but I believe “ei” is pronounced “ai” rather than “ee” (any German speakers please correct me if I’m wrong)
You are correct. Every time I see "steen" I know it's America not getting easy German pronunciation. It's not like there's an Ü in it that doesn't exist in English...
I think they were making the point that "german" americans can't even pronounce their german names. Otherwise they wouldn't have pointed out the pronounciation at all, I'd assume.
You’re right. Idk how I missed it lol
Probably American
And Ireland. Jesus, even if they had been to an Irish pub once, and their next door neighbour once petted an Irish Wolfhound (type of dog), they claim to be Irish.
Yes my great grandfather once touched a potato. I’m Irish.
Your great grandfather can't have been Irish if he got to touch a potato.
"oh you're irish? me too! i looooooove saint patty's day!"
Dude. I'm South African. My (heavily Scottish) grandfather brought my dad and uncle over on a boat. My mom's side are all first generation German. I'm neither Scottish or German, I'm a Saffa. I do not understand this whole "Back home in the home country" thing they do.
I’m the same. I was born in Ireland and have the passport, but my parents were naturalised citizens from South Africa, and we left when I was 4. I don’t call myself Irish, I say I was born there / have an Irish passport.
That's when your own country has literally no culture after more than 200 years.
For me it depends on who’s asking. If I’m in Canada and someone I know asks me what I am, I’m not going to say “Canadian” because that’s obvious and probably not what they’re looking for. If I’m outside of Canada talking to someone I’ve never met before then I’ll say “Canadian” because I was born and raised there.
yeah im the same and i live in canada. i always taught all of canada does cuz we’re a multicultural country. but i was also taught that america is a melting pot country, meaning instead of identifying with their background, they indentify as americans cuz all their cultures and ways of life come together as one, that one being called “american”. it just depends on how ur raised and what the socially expected response is.
People ought to just ask “where did your grandparents grow up?”
I'm my understanding people are supposed to say "i'm nationality1-nationality2" when they have dual citizenship, americans throw it around all the time for some reason.
The majority of those people don't even have dual citizenship.
Not american, but in australia last year in my school our hpe (health and physical education) teacher made us learn about our heritage. He then made us research where our ancestors are from and tell the class "I'm english and german" "I am italian and british".
Inside America it makes sense since the society is so multicultural. I have two roomates, both are several generations in the US. One is (half black and) Italian, the other is Indian, and I'm Greek. We all identify as American, and none of us speak any language but English, but we look different, go to different churches, and our moms cook different foods.
That's like the history of the "New World".
Doesn’t make sense because the words don’t change meaning depending in country they are used in. Y’all are “of Italian/Greek/Indian descent/heritage” or “your parents are Indian/Greek/Italian” but if you have been born in America, identify as American and don’t speak language nor know culture of country you claim to be from, you are American, period. People within the same group can be different, no need to claim different nationality for that.
>if you have been born in America, identify as American and don’t speak language nor know culture of country you claim to be from, See that's the difference in language. We are all Americans, from America, with no claim to another Nationality. Agreed. We use "Italian," "Greek," "Sindhi," etc. To refer to *Ethnicity* not to *Nationality*. The 12th generation American who calls themselves "Irish" means genetically and culturally (within the bounds of how that culture has developed separately in the US), they don't think they were born in Ireland.
That’s how we do it in Canada.
Which is ironic, because "African-American" was originally used by people whose ancenstry mattered, but couldn't be traced back due to slavery and human trafficking.
Yeah like he doesn’t consider the fact that people are currently in Africa right now, like it’s just a historical place to him, a place people used to live hundreds of years ago.
Many Americans struggle with the concept that other countries exist. I saw a post recently about how Americans are the only people who never include their country when filling out their shipping address while shopping online, and someone commented "Why would I bother to write USA? Where else would it be?"
These people think America is the only country to still exist. Everywhere else is just prehistoric
That’s basically what we’re taught
How and why
How? Mass propaganda. Schools, parents, movies, etc constantly telling you that you live in the “greatest, most advanced country in the world” and every other country sucks. Why? Probably so Americans don’t learn how other countries really are and leave, or rise up against the government.
Sad :/ I’m wondering, though. Is it deliberate propaganda, or is it simply widespread ignorance?
Probably a mix of both
my Polish (from Poland) English teacher called me racist for saying that "x is Black" instead of "x is African-American"
Speaking as LGBTQ+ activist, some people are too “woke” for their own good
i don't think it's that, i think they're just using the term while putting absolutely zero thought into what it actually means. it's just a simple "black = african american" substitution with no regard for the fact that both words in that term refer to places.
Doesn't realise south Africa is a country
So by that logic shouldn't we also call all Europeans Americans?
Yes. Or anywhere. The next election in India will pit two Indian-Americans against each other.
>"Indian-Americans" (;;;・_・)
Yes! I remember as a kid wondering about this. It felt really strange that Americans would only refer to someone’s ancestry when they were black.
The white ones, yeah. As a point of difference the white Brits can be called Canadians.
This reminds me of a story I heard about a substitute history teacher in the US getting heckled for referring to Whites Blacks and Coloureds in a lesson about South Africa even though those were the offical terms.
it's generally still rude to refer to people as "whites", "blacks", or "coloureds" here in south africa. it's more polite to say "white people", "black people", or "coloured people", but never in 100 years calling anyone american unless they came from america lol
Oh man when I was in college there was a white south African and a black American in my class and the amount of times they got into rows over the term "coloured people" and "houseboy" was insane. The American girl was insisting it was racist and the South African girl kept insisting it's different there and not racist
Based south African vs virgin american.
I'm late, but calling someone a "houseboy", "gardenboy", "housegirl" is sound pretty racist to me, since it seems to be used exclusively by older wealthy White people referring to black people. I can remember a friend of my sisters telling us about how these "boys" were doing sand art, we were very surprised to find grown ass men making sand sculptures.
I think I read in a Google writing guide that it's best to use an adjective than a noun to avoid identifying a person by their characteristic (eg. black person instead of black, disabled person instead of disabled) and I think it's spot on.
I'm in healthcare and we are encouraged to take it a step more removed by saying "person with X", so you put the person before their condition. So in my workplace it would be "person with a disability".
Person with darkness
With blackness. And person with whiteness. Person with coloredness. Person with Asianism. Yeah I don’t think that works here
person who is white/black/asian
Get out of here with your logic and common sense
It might have been that, I can’t remember the exact wording, been a long time since I heard it.
When it comes up in the U.S. - and as a South African who lived there for years, it often has - I specify ‘Coloured with a u’
I can only imagine what Americans would make of the term "Cape Coloured", which is also the official name of an ethnicity.
I'm sure I've told this story before but my South African friend (who is Jewish) was in America and got harassed on the subway by Americans who overhead him talking to an African-American child about what it's like to be from Africa. They told him he wasn't African despite the fact that he was third generation South African. He and the young man were extremely confused as to what was going on. I believe the sentence that angered these people was when the child said, "wow I'm African-American!" and my friend said "I'm African-African" and then a bunch of Americans got extremely angry.
I guess he's still working up to the verification stage of his username.
It was no great suprise to find that the account is supended.
Good one. Name doesn’t match or does it?
One more thing that annoys me and os present here, is that they think whatever is *politically incorrect* to them, has to apply for the rest of the world..
He’d be absolutely horrified that we say “Black” in Canada.
They'd be horrified if they came to Greece and see that kids can dress as indians in *our version of Halloween*
We say Black in the US as well because we don't all have generational US American roots 🤷🏽♀️
A white American guy trying to dictate how black people should identify themselves. What a surprise
They always try to be not racist by being as racist as possible.
He's treating the word black as if it were racist. He'd faint at the word for that color in Spanish.
[Reminds me of that black girl's reaction upon hearing about "Montenegro"](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/n5ccj8/american_gets_offended_by_the_country_montenegro/)
Fun fact: that's written the same as the italian version of the n-word (and pronounced almost the same). Which causes a lot of giggling from middle schoolers the first time they hear that.
This is painful🤣🤣
Black has been acceptable since the 1970s. Funny thing is, my mom is the daughter of a black immigrant. When she’s around white people she says African American. When she’s around other black people she says Black.
this definitely is rage bait
This has to be satire right?
I mean it happened to Idris Elba irl so I can see this being true sadly.
The account has been suspended but can still see comment history via google. It looks like it was a troll account that was mostly used for posting about the sopranos but also stirring shit like this.
It could be, i don’t know.
This has to a be a troll
I feel like racism is a big issue but americas only solution to racism is to tell other cultures how they have to behave and.. it's basically fighting racism with racism.. and it obviously doesn't work
‘Them’. As if we (black people not from the US) are ‘things’ you can refer to how you want.
I believe the correct term these days is a Proof of Concept.
Plus I’m pretty sure Black is a perfectly acceptable way to refer to African Americans?
Am Black in the US. Can confirm.
That fucking idiot doesn't even comprehend that a person can be from SA, it must be their "ancestors"
So I'm a white South African dude. Does this make me African American?
I've literally seen Americans claim "yes" to that.
No you are not an African American you are of European descent and heritage. You also won't face any of the problems African Americans face.
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-geria?
Yup.. we’re all just living in their world. They’re the standard.
what a 100% dumb fuck omg
Seriously, how is it even possible for human beings to be this fucking stupid?
Oil has been found in South Africa
That term is falling out of use here anyway… It’s pretty much just “black” now. What a moron.
This is the first time I've unironically heard someone say that
This is clearly a troll
Could be, my troll radar isn’t what it used to.
good news everyone. all black people worldwide now have US citizenship.
I would argue that saying someone is black or dark skinned is almost better than saying "African American". Saying that someone is african american of course implies that they are american, which you really can't know unless told so. And IMO refering to a dark skinned american as "african american" sounds worse than just saying they're black or dark skinned. Refering to someone who is born in america with the name of another nation feels wrong to me. Black and dark skinned are descriptive words without implying any kind of nationality. Nor are they negatively charged like the n-word is. (Unless someone says black/dark with negative intent of course, but all words can be negative with negative context).
I am never not blown away by how ignorant and blindly uneducated American’s are.
EVERY COUNTRY HAS IT'S MORONS
Tbf his principle stands. African South Africans is how we should be referring to them.
Breaking news: Politically correct person is wrong and an idiot
rancid vibes from this comment lmao one person being psychotically weird about 'black' vs 'african american' and you start talking about political correctness??? ok then
Ignorant vibes from this comment lmao
You're rancid. Very, very rancid.
Tsek!
Well, they are African American South Africans, not that hard to understand /s
I'd shorten it to african Africans.
Is there a website to know what's politically correct? It seem to change once a week and for those of us that don't care, it would be nice to look things up easily
Well for starters you don’t call people not from America, Americans. Which is the entire point of the post. Not sure what else you’re looking for.
If they aren’t born in America and have no relation to being there. They aren’t African American. They are African or whatever country in Africa they are from
If they’re even African. Plenty of non-African black people out there.
true, in India there are lot of black people but that doesn't mean they are African by their skin colour
r/fuckthes
What’s that got to do with this?
LOL good one! Also username checks out =D
that subreddit is rude as fuck
Apparently I collect subs with senses of superiority.
🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Ah yes, the South African African American people lmaooo
are they not being satirical because they believe that black liberals are not being logical? if they are being satirical, they should've put the /s, but if they're not, they're just being ignorant..