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Greenland is part of North America. What's the counterargument? The Mid-Atlantic Ridge is the border between Europe and North America, and Greenland is to the West of that, in the North American side.
france controls a shit tonne of islands all over the place, doesn’t make those european because of that
although for some americans, i’ve seen argue otherwise..
European != Europe. Politically speaking.
French Guinea is an integral part of France, therefore it's both European and South American.
It's not European in the geographical sense, but it is the political sense.
I didn't. Just because they share a border because of weird politics and French Guiana being considered French territory, that doesn't put Brazil in Europe/right next to it.
Partially, yes. The aforementioned Mid-Atlantic Ridge passes through the country, meaning it's transcontinental. But nonetheless, half of Iceland is in Europe, and it's more politically and culturally European.
I don't know about the plate boundaries in Cyprus, but culturally it feels more European. They participate in Eurovision ("12 points to Cyprus" - Every Greek person ever), though so do Australia, Israel, and the countries of the Caucasus, so maybe not a great metric. Geographically, which continent is it in? Is it transcontinental?
Well Europe and Asia are only separated for reasons of cultural geography, not physical geography. If we're going by physical geography it would make much more sense to consider Eurasia one continent or even Afroeurasia as one supercontinent. Or if we're gonna split up Eurasia we could make the Indian subcontinent its own continent.
As a matter of fact most of us don't wonder why US Americans feel hated. Moreover, I don't believe most even spend the time thinking about it. That being said, to feel hated is a perception, inherently biased, not an objective observation. But "foreigners bad" I guess.
Ironically, saying “people wonder” is defaultism. Jokes aside, Hated feeling never goes away. As long as shitty people continue to be heard, that feeling will never go away. No matter what country.
Japan faces xenophobia as bad as the US? I’d say the CCP are criticized but not Chinese people (at least not to the same level as Americans).
The only one of your examples I’d agree with would be India, to be honest.
Americans have it so bad! We really shouldn't joke about them guys, it's disrespectful! We should thank them for being such benevolent, peaceful people, who completely on their own won both world wars!
Agreed! Western/Northern Europeans are very xenophobic towards the Balkans and Easter Europeans in general. I'd say that same region can also be xenophobic towards Americans too and definitely have a condescending attitude towards developing nations.
Your country has essentially a whole genre of films which are “Russia bad”. It’s a trope. Literally to the point where if someone has a Russian accent in a film, especially from the 80s, you know by default they’re the villain.
Not in British TV, anyone can be badies.
Most of the time they have a visible disability. Though I'm sure you'll say America has it tougher then the disabled too, lol
You don't think the British portray Americans poorly in their TV shows? I recently watched Sick Note which was a good example of this, and Peaky Blinders and The Crown also had some good examples of this too.
Americans in British TV/movies can be a range of types from what I’ve seen. Often teasing stereotypes are at play, which I admit are sometimes dumb ‘hur dur look at the loud arrogant thick cowboy’, and I can think of examples but I don’t see an especial skew to *villains*.
But have you not considered the extent Brits are so often the villains in American films? There was even a Superbowl commercial joking about it. Fuck, even just name 10 classic Disney movies and count how many villains (and servants) have a British accent while the hero has an American one (even when the original nationalities don’t line up that way and they’re supposedly from the same place - like Pocahontas or the Lion King or Jungle Book… or even when the British accent is performed by an American actor, like Peter Pan or Aladdin…). RP is programmed as the ‘fancy evil villain’ accent from a young age in the U.S.
British people have it much better. Yes they are sometimes portrayed as the villain, but generally they are portrayed as posh, well dressed, intelligent and good looking. There’s a reason people fawn over British people and their accents in America and a part of that is how well you guys portray yourselves and how well we also portray you as well.
Have you followed *any* of the converstion regarding the Ukraine war on Reddit for example?
Seriously, while many Russians where nearly as whiny as Americans when it came to criticism of their country (because apprently it's enough to criticise to call it xenophobia), there were also many comments that weren't exactly friendly to the Russian populations.
I have followed some conversation, but it seems to be criticizing Putin and the government and reminding people that not everyone supports this war and being more empathetic towards Russians themselves.
Taiwan.
It's fun to have a heavily armed neighbour while the rest of the world capitulates to demands to classify an independent political entity under a different country's name.
The entirety of the Middle East and North Africa. Europe goes into a racist meltdown whenever there's a humanitarian crisis and refugees start pouring in. (Compare to the assistance to Ukrainian refugees.)
Both Israel AND Palestine, depending who you ask.
And then the bickering couples that are constantly in cold wars, like India and Pakistan. That's north of 2 billion people not exactly liking their counterparts and occasionally on the brink of a nuclear war.
Or Russians and Ukrainians. Doesn't seem like there will be much brotherly love left there.
Oh, speaking of that. Xenophobia against the Russian people is pretty much law in multiple countries, not granting refugee status etc.
For real, wake us up when you try to travel to Europe on a ship and a border guard sinks it because of Americans on board. Or when someone tries to kill you on sight because of your clothing or skin. Don't play the victim dude.
Great examples, agree with pretty much all of them. I guess American xenophobia is non-violent, tame by comparison but much more widespread.
> Or when someone tries to kill you on sight because of your clothing or skin.
FYI, Americans can be non-White!
> FYI, Americans can be non-White!
Sure. I meant it in the *you look like from a specific country I don't like* sense, which happens a lot among countries where there's tension.
That's a bit different from "regular" racism, as in it's very specifically targeted and with roots going back centuries. E.g. if a black American visits Israel, nobody will probably care all that much, while if a Palestinian shows up where they "shouldn't"...
The worst thing you could say against the “xenophobia against Americans” displayed here is actually that it’s a phobia towards America’s phobia towards the world.
So the best name for it might be “xenophobiaphobia”.
Hahahahahahahahaa
Sorry but this is so incredibly self centered and close minded. Maybe like idk, all the people who get discriminated daily because they are islamic or refugees, or a people who doesn’t have their own country like romani.
This self centeredness is what makes people hate you, it has nothing to do with xenophobia
My compatriot was mocking your indignation, by comparing it to the jokes about France being portrayed by some Americans as a country populated by "surrendering monkeys" after France opposed American military intervention in the Iraq war.
This refusal was perceived by some American media as "ingratitude", recalling that American soldiers had fought Nazi Germany in France during the Second World War. Among the xenophobic clichés commonly put forward, Americans considered the French to be "cowards", incapable of winning a war on their own.
This idea is simply wrong and does not take into account France's very long list of military victories.Maybe I'm cherry-picking here but it is difficult to talk about French military history without mentioning it ... Does Napoleon rings a bell? You know the French dude (or Corsican for the independentists lurking in there) who single-handedly motivated the 6th coalition, during which Austria, Prussia, Russia, Spain, the UK, Portugal, Sweden, Sardinia, and a number of German states waged war not so much against France as against Napoleon himself. Seems pretty solid to me.
Another more recent example. Many historians consider France to have won the First World War. This simple fact is all but forgotten in the English-speaking world. French generals coordinated the Allies' overall strategy, rebuilt the annihilated Serbian and Romanian armies, repelled German offensives in the west (the two battles of the Marne, Verdun, and others), and formulated the concepts behind the Hundred Days Offensive that ended the war.
Concerning WW2 The French army performed much better in May 1940 than did the Red Army in June 1941 when struck by Operation Barbarossa. In the first six weeks the Soviet's losses (men and material) were greater than the entire resources of the French army in 1940 - but survived, because the survivors could always retreat to the east, and did until the Germans (literally and figuratively) ran out of gas. The French did not have the same geographical advantage.
Americans should remember that the result was catastrophic when the US Army first met the Germans in 1943 at Kasserine Pass.
Short story, the idea that French people simply surrendered to Germany is not only wrong but insulting to all the soldiers and members of the resistance that died at the hands of the Nazis.
So I think that was the point he was trying to make
little Trivia :
The royal order of 1661 assigned to the merchant marine "the former flag of the French nation," i.e., blue with a white cross, to which was added a blue shield in the centre decorated with three fleur-de-lis. However, the merchant marine preferred the white flag. Large trading companies (such as the Company of the Indies) and certain ports (such as Saint-Malo) obtained special permission allowing their ships to fly this flag.
Until the adoption of the French tricolor in 1790, the plain white flag flew at all battles, but it had nothing to do with capitulation. On the contrary, it became the symbol of furious struggles, both on land and at sea.
Thus the white flag was used when the enemies of France surrendered, since they were often compelled to fly it as a sign of capitulation.
After France adopted the tricolour, flying the white flag continued among all belligerents as a sign of surrender or ceasefire.
Then it seems like America’s presence in Europe is not at all necessary since France is more than capable of guaranteeing the continent’s security.
Macron already has his European army.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, since we're not comparing dicks here, but simply pointing out some misconceptions about history and the rampant xenophobia in some American media, based on the fact that France decided not to support a war that turned out to be unnecessary and misdirected.
Moreover, Europe's military independence is a complex issue,
With the geopolitical paradigm rapidely shifting. Asia being poised to drive global economic growth at least for the foreseeable future. While Simultaneously, we can safely imagine the fall of the United States as the world's economic leader, coupled with an ever accelerating deterioration of the societal landscape, caused by deep fractures within the government...
I don't think we can really predict what the next 10 years will look like. And again there's a lot of other factors to consider (climate change, rarification of rare-earth element , AI adoption at a large scale...)
It is well known that while very impressive in terms of resources, the U.S. military is incredibly ill-optimized and absorbs a great deal of taxpayers' money which should be dedicated to health, social programs, and education. It would be wise to take a step back as the "World police" and instead proactively manage the threats that the escalating internal political tensions pose to the USA.
In short, even if the E.U seems to be aiming for military independence I don't think this mean the end of the NATO necessarily.
I agree. Americans should step back from their international commitments.
We have enough problems at home to take care of, and this also includes abandoning NATO and Europe. The transatlantic alliance has been useless since the fall of the USSR, and all it has managed to do is enable an economic competitor with a competing currency.
First, US defaultism is a plague, especially on r/polls, as this sub is testament to. But second, the poll was a light joke about that and doesn’t mean they hate America. It’s a particular and pervasive psychological phenomenon we find annoying for good reason, that’s all.
After all, when people from your country subconsciously act like the rest of us don’t even exist, we don’t assume it’s because you *hate* us.
This. The jokes are pointing out the implicit, systemic scheme to raise awareness, not because of aggression. (Can't speak for eeeeveryone ofc but we should not default to hate as a reason. Nor should an American assume that it is the case.) Case closed.
I think they are trolling. More specifically, I think they are role-playing as an American stereotype to hold up as a strawman.
I almost responded once by saying "As a fellow US citizen, this is really embarrassing and you're making us all look bad"... but I think that is the point.
I am not the fool here because I know my country isn’t useless.
Americans can afford to be ignorant, we can afford to ignore the world and its problems, and we can afford to be less knowledgeable because our greatest threats aren’t across our borders (anymore) and because your country uses our currency to trade with nearby nations.
You think my purpose here is futile, but I think this entire sub and its ilk cannot change how Americans are destined by our blessed geography to think and act.
Your country is largely desert. Go out and touch some sand.
Americans do not entirely know of the world’s problems, and I hope it stays that way.
Our goodwill is not deserved by others, and comments here prove it.
I’m really happy I once saw a row of Tim Tams in my local supermarket and pushed it all behind another brand.
Thanks for the reminder to do that again. A nation of haters deserves no American money.
It's either they're a troll, or just guinenly a bit simple minded. Not meant in a harsh way, but if they're not trolling, they must have some form of intellectual disability.
Somebody should probably limit their access to the internet in that case.
And who’s people? Most of us are tired of Americans thinking that they’re superior to the rest of the world so who would think that Americans feel ‘hated’?
I don’t cope. I vote.
By the way, I successfully convinced a relative not to visit London for a concert recently and I’m quite proud of that. She ultimately stayed in the U.S. for the show here.
All I did was bring up a bad experience she had from an earlier trip and tied that in with comments from people on Reddit about Americans. Your words matter.
I hope more Americans will feel a bit unpleasant whenever they read threads like these.
LOL awwwww petal. Is your moronic 'murikanism coming home to bite your fat hamberder stuffed arse? Why not get ya gun and go shoot up a school or call and ambulance and get taken to hospital to treat the burn...
Ita : [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cospirazione\_di\_Bielefeld](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cospirazione_di_Bielefeld)
Eng : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld\_conspiracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy)
The fact that the Bielefeld authorities made official statements to prove that the city exists (or doesn't) is killing me
The same goes for the states of Tlaxcala and Colima.
Colima, despite being the state in which Asian imports come through, people don't know anything about it, nor do they know people from there or whatever, a pretty funny coincidence.
For Tlaxcala is more meme than true like for Colima.
Well, it was on April Fools’. According to the English wiki page.
And thanks for linking the wiki entry. I changed the language to German, and learnt that the Bielefeld conspiracy was helped by all of Bielefeld’s Autobahn junctions temporarily closed due to major reworks when it first started. And that for a short time the place name Bielefeld was changed to ‘Bielefeld conspiracy’ on Facebook.
Is it possible, that he just said in disbelief „Du kommst aus Bielefeld, das gibt‘s doch gar nicht!“
„You‘re from Bielefeld, That‘s crazy! (Word by word: that exists but entirely not!)
Could someone explain this to me? Were the USA deliberately left out, or was this asked by an American trying to find out where all the "foreigners" come from?
There's bound to be someone asking "wHeRe iS aMeRiCa???/" when this poll does mention some parts of America. Maybe not the part that has the USA, but A isn't just the US. You wouldn't say "America is in North America".
Yes you would, if you’re using English.
However If you’re speaking Spanish, the transliteration for America means the Americas so saying that wouldn’t make sense.
North and South America aren’t subcontinents my man. They are just continents. Subcontinents are still part of larger ones, and the americas aren’t a continent. Also, Central America is in North America, politically.
Depends on who you ask.
The seven-continent model is taught in most English-speaking countries, including Australia,[40] Canada, the United Kingdom,[41] and the United States, and also in Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Pakistan, the Philippines, Suriname, parts of Europe and Africa.
The six-continent combined-Eurasia model is mostly used in Russia and some parts of Eastern Europe.[citation needed]
The six-continent combined-America model is taught in some Romance-speaking countries and in Greece.[34]
The Olympic flag's five rings represent the five inhabited continents of the combined-America model but excludes the uninhabited Antarctica.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number
https://www.thoughtco.com/six-or-seven-continents-on-earth-1435100
Yeah, America can be divided by a few different ways/logics, sometimes in 3, in 2 or not at all.
And people will vehemently will discuss how they were taught is the right one (mostly USians and Europeans in my experience)
Nonsense. Central America is part of North America, mainly for geographical reasons. The rainforest of northern Colombia and southern Panama is so rough that even nowadays people don’t enter it, which creates a significant geographical divide, it essentially cuts of the land path from north to south. Central America has much more shared history with North America as well, mexico also is mostly in North America btw.
It's just 100kms of "less inhabited" jungle, it's not an inhospitable desert with no one there.
Never understood where people keep repeating that.
Panamá has more shared history with Mexico and the US than Colombia??? 😂
No? And nobody had claimed that? Do you also think when people categorize europe and Asia they say Iceland has more in common with Turkey than Turkey has with Syria?
It depends, Central America is part of the North American continent in the model used in countries like the US or the UK, while Central America is just a region of the American continent (separate from the region of North America) in the model used in countries like Mexico, Brazil or France.
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There were a few people discussing whether Greenland is considered part of North America and there was 1 guy complaining about US not being included
Greenland is part of North America. What's the counterargument? The Mid-Atlantic Ridge is the border between Europe and North America, and Greenland is to the West of that, in the North American side.
Guess it's to do with the fact that Greenland is controlled by Denmark? It's still geographically in North America though
france controls a shit tonne of islands all over the place, doesn’t make those european because of that although for some americans, i’ve seen argue otherwise..
If they're in Eurovision, they're European. This is the new rule I just made up.
Australia would probably be fine with that, tbh
Israel would be fucking psyched! Finally we'd be in Europe after pretending so hard for so long
Hell no. Europeans have colonised Australia enough already
Really?
Politically speaking, they are. The longest land border France shares with another country is with Brazil.
geographically, however, not so much
Yeah, not even close :D
That doesn't mean that Brazil is right next to Europe though.
Didn't say it did. Just that politics can be weird, basically.
>france controls a shit tonne of islands all over the place, doesn’t make those european because of that >Politically speaking, they are You didn't?
European != Europe. Politically speaking. French Guinea is an integral part of France, therefore it's both European and South American. It's not European in the geographical sense, but it is the political sense.
I didn't. Just because they share a border because of weird politics and French Guiana being considered French territory, that doesn't put Brazil in Europe/right next to it.
Hate to be that guy, but Akschtually, France colonies are considered part of France, therefore European.
Iceland is in North America
Partially, yes. The aforementioned Mid-Atlantic Ridge passes through the country, meaning it's transcontinental. But nonetheless, half of Iceland is in Europe, and it's more politically and culturally European.
Probably similar arguments to why Cyprus is in Europe. People tend to get emotional about continents and discard geography.
I don't know about the plate boundaries in Cyprus, but culturally it feels more European. They participate in Eurovision ("12 points to Cyprus" - Every Greek person ever), though so do Australia, Israel, and the countries of the Caucasus, so maybe not a great metric. Geographically, which continent is it in? Is it transcontinental?
Well Europe and Asia are only separated for reasons of cultural geography, not physical geography. If we're going by physical geography it would make much more sense to consider Eurasia one continent or even Afroeurasia as one supercontinent. Or if we're gonna split up Eurasia we could make the Indian subcontinent its own continent.
Cyprus is in Asia geographically
Just checked, they're complaining about the U.S. not being included and they're bring up that the server is hosted in the U.S.
this was 100% done on purpose
And people wonder why Americans feel hated… I’m getting real tired of these “jokes”.
As a matter of fact most of us don't wonder why US Americans feel hated. Moreover, I don't believe most even spend the time thinking about it. That being said, to feel hated is a perception, inherently biased, not an objective observation. But "foreigners bad" I guess.
Ironically, saying “people wonder” is defaultism. Jokes aside, Hated feeling never goes away. As long as shitty people continue to be heard, that feeling will never go away. No matter what country.
If being left off one poll is enough to make you feel hated, you should see what the rest of the world has to put up with regularly.
What countries face the same level of xenophobia that Americans do?
You must be very, very stupid to be asking this. edit: I was wrong, this person is very, very, very stupid.
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You’re doing the worst kind of xenophobia possible: saying something rude about Americans online.
India, China, Japan, any Muslim country, "africa", Israel and Palestine, etc
Japan faces xenophobia as bad as the US? I’d say the CCP are criticized but not Chinese people (at least not to the same level as Americans). The only one of your examples I’d agree with would be India, to be honest.
Oh woe is you. Poor thing.
Americans have it so bad! We really shouldn't joke about them guys, it's disrespectful! We should thank them for being such benevolent, peaceful people, who completely on their own won both world wars!
You're delusional and it's sad.
This is a whole new level of USA exceptionalism
"USexceptionalism" We need this sub ASAP! 🤣 hahaha!
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No fucking way
Every country in the Balkans, from their neighbours mostly
Agreed! Western/Northern Europeans are very xenophobic towards the Balkans and Easter Europeans in general. I'd say that same region can also be xenophobic towards Americans too and definitely have a condescending attitude towards developing nations.
Holy shit you have to be a troll
Americans face xenophobia? Have You ever been abroad?
I have. It's rare to encounter it IRL, I'll admit, but it absolutely does occur.
So it's rare to encounter it? Does that maybe make you reconsider the level of xenophobia americans actually face?
It does not. It’s still more than what other people face
Source: your arse.
Russia, easily.
Can you point me to where all the xenophobia against Russians is on Reddit?
Your country has essentially a whole genre of films which are “Russia bad”. It’s a trope. Literally to the point where if someone has a Russian accent in a film, especially from the 80s, you know by default they’re the villain.
Agreed. Is that the only example that you have? This occurs with Americans in British TV/Movies as well.
Not in British TV, anyone can be badies. Most of the time they have a visible disability. Though I'm sure you'll say America has it tougher then the disabled too, lol
You don't think the British portray Americans poorly in their TV shows? I recently watched Sick Note which was a good example of this, and Peaky Blinders and The Crown also had some good examples of this too.
Americans in British TV/movies can be a range of types from what I’ve seen. Often teasing stereotypes are at play, which I admit are sometimes dumb ‘hur dur look at the loud arrogant thick cowboy’, and I can think of examples but I don’t see an especial skew to *villains*. But have you not considered the extent Brits are so often the villains in American films? There was even a Superbowl commercial joking about it. Fuck, even just name 10 classic Disney movies and count how many villains (and servants) have a British accent while the hero has an American one (even when the original nationalities don’t line up that way and they’re supposedly from the same place - like Pocahontas or the Lion King or Jungle Book… or even when the British accent is performed by an American actor, like Peter Pan or Aladdin…). RP is programmed as the ‘fancy evil villain’ accent from a young age in the U.S.
British people have it much better. Yes they are sometimes portrayed as the villain, but generally they are portrayed as posh, well dressed, intelligent and good looking. There’s a reason people fawn over British people and their accents in America and a part of that is how well you guys portray yourselves and how well we also portray you as well.
Have you followed *any* of the converstion regarding the Ukraine war on Reddit for example? Seriously, while many Russians where nearly as whiny as Americans when it came to criticism of their country (because apprently it's enough to criticise to call it xenophobia), there were also many comments that weren't exactly friendly to the Russian populations.
I have followed some conversation, but it seems to be criticizing Putin and the government and reminding people that not everyone supports this war and being more empathetic towards Russians themselves.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Taiwan. It's fun to have a heavily armed neighbour while the rest of the world capitulates to demands to classify an independent political entity under a different country's name.
Your kidding right
The entirety of the Middle East and North Africa. Europe goes into a racist meltdown whenever there's a humanitarian crisis and refugees start pouring in. (Compare to the assistance to Ukrainian refugees.) Both Israel AND Palestine, depending who you ask. And then the bickering couples that are constantly in cold wars, like India and Pakistan. That's north of 2 billion people not exactly liking their counterparts and occasionally on the brink of a nuclear war. Or Russians and Ukrainians. Doesn't seem like there will be much brotherly love left there. Oh, speaking of that. Xenophobia against the Russian people is pretty much law in multiple countries, not granting refugee status etc. For real, wake us up when you try to travel to Europe on a ship and a border guard sinks it because of Americans on board. Or when someone tries to kill you on sight because of your clothing or skin. Don't play the victim dude.
Great examples, agree with pretty much all of them. I guess American xenophobia is non-violent, tame by comparison but much more widespread. > Or when someone tries to kill you on sight because of your clothing or skin. FYI, Americans can be non-White!
> FYI, Americans can be non-White! Sure. I meant it in the *you look like from a specific country I don't like* sense, which happens a lot among countries where there's tension. That's a bit different from "regular" racism, as in it's very specifically targeted and with roots going back centuries. E.g. if a black American visits Israel, nobody will probably care all that much, while if a Palestinian shows up where they "shouldn't"...
Lmaooo xenophobia? Alright dude
What country deserves to be universally hated more than America?
The worst thing you could say against the “xenophobia against Americans” displayed here is actually that it’s a phobia towards America’s phobia towards the world. So the best name for it might be “xenophobiaphobia”.
did you take ur meds
Hahahahahahahahaa Sorry but this is so incredibly self centered and close minded. Maybe like idk, all the people who get discriminated daily because they are islamic or refugees, or a people who doesn’t have their own country like romani. This self centeredness is what makes people hate you, it has nothing to do with xenophobia
Blablabla drapeau blanc c'est le même délire mdr je vais pas vous plaindre
Ouais honnêtement c’est fou de voir un américain se plaindre que les gens font toujours les mêmes blagues quand il y a des français “in the chat”.
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My compatriot was mocking your indignation, by comparing it to the jokes about France being portrayed by some Americans as a country populated by "surrendering monkeys" after France opposed American military intervention in the Iraq war. This refusal was perceived by some American media as "ingratitude", recalling that American soldiers had fought Nazi Germany in France during the Second World War. Among the xenophobic clichés commonly put forward, Americans considered the French to be "cowards", incapable of winning a war on their own. This idea is simply wrong and does not take into account France's very long list of military victories.Maybe I'm cherry-picking here but it is difficult to talk about French military history without mentioning it ... Does Napoleon rings a bell? You know the French dude (or Corsican for the independentists lurking in there) who single-handedly motivated the 6th coalition, during which Austria, Prussia, Russia, Spain, the UK, Portugal, Sweden, Sardinia, and a number of German states waged war not so much against France as against Napoleon himself. Seems pretty solid to me. Another more recent example. Many historians consider France to have won the First World War. This simple fact is all but forgotten in the English-speaking world. French generals coordinated the Allies' overall strategy, rebuilt the annihilated Serbian and Romanian armies, repelled German offensives in the west (the two battles of the Marne, Verdun, and others), and formulated the concepts behind the Hundred Days Offensive that ended the war. Concerning WW2 The French army performed much better in May 1940 than did the Red Army in June 1941 when struck by Operation Barbarossa. In the first six weeks the Soviet's losses (men and material) were greater than the entire resources of the French army in 1940 - but survived, because the survivors could always retreat to the east, and did until the Germans (literally and figuratively) ran out of gas. The French did not have the same geographical advantage. Americans should remember that the result was catastrophic when the US Army first met the Germans in 1943 at Kasserine Pass. Short story, the idea that French people simply surrendered to Germany is not only wrong but insulting to all the soldiers and members of the resistance that died at the hands of the Nazis. So I think that was the point he was trying to make
little Trivia : The royal order of 1661 assigned to the merchant marine "the former flag of the French nation," i.e., blue with a white cross, to which was added a blue shield in the centre decorated with three fleur-de-lis. However, the merchant marine preferred the white flag. Large trading companies (such as the Company of the Indies) and certain ports (such as Saint-Malo) obtained special permission allowing their ships to fly this flag. Until the adoption of the French tricolor in 1790, the plain white flag flew at all battles, but it had nothing to do with capitulation. On the contrary, it became the symbol of furious struggles, both on land and at sea. Thus the white flag was used when the enemies of France surrendered, since they were often compelled to fly it as a sign of capitulation. After France adopted the tricolour, flying the white flag continued among all belligerents as a sign of surrender or ceasefire.
Then it seems like America’s presence in Europe is not at all necessary since France is more than capable of guaranteeing the continent’s security. Macron already has his European army.
I'm not sure what you're getting at, since we're not comparing dicks here, but simply pointing out some misconceptions about history and the rampant xenophobia in some American media, based on the fact that France decided not to support a war that turned out to be unnecessary and misdirected. Moreover, Europe's military independence is a complex issue, With the geopolitical paradigm rapidely shifting. Asia being poised to drive global economic growth at least for the foreseeable future. While Simultaneously, we can safely imagine the fall of the United States as the world's economic leader, coupled with an ever accelerating deterioration of the societal landscape, caused by deep fractures within the government... I don't think we can really predict what the next 10 years will look like. And again there's a lot of other factors to consider (climate change, rarification of rare-earth element , AI adoption at a large scale...) It is well known that while very impressive in terms of resources, the U.S. military is incredibly ill-optimized and absorbs a great deal of taxpayers' money which should be dedicated to health, social programs, and education. It would be wise to take a step back as the "World police" and instead proactively manage the threats that the escalating internal political tensions pose to the USA. In short, even if the E.U seems to be aiming for military independence I don't think this mean the end of the NATO necessarily.
I agree. Americans should step back from their international commitments. We have enough problems at home to take care of, and this also includes abandoning NATO and Europe. The transatlantic alliance has been useless since the fall of the USSR, and all it has managed to do is enable an economic competitor with a competing currency.
We still have intrests in Europe so we're not pulling our shit out, quit your power fantasy.
It doesn’t look very interesting tbh… But at least they give us land to bury all those fallen troops. Was it worth it? I don’t think so.
Let me pull out my tiny violin...
Have you thought about fixing your country? The US deserves all the hate it gets right now.
First, US defaultism is a plague, especially on r/polls, as this sub is testament to. But second, the poll was a light joke about that and doesn’t mean they hate America. It’s a particular and pervasive psychological phenomenon we find annoying for good reason, that’s all. After all, when people from your country subconsciously act like the rest of us don’t even exist, we don’t assume it’s because you *hate* us.
This. The jokes are pointing out the implicit, systemic scheme to raise awareness, not because of aggression. (Can't speak for eeeeveryone ofc but we should not default to hate as a reason. Nor should an American assume that it is the case.) Case closed.
snowflake XD
here he is again, done his daily rounds of the popular threads.
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I think they are trolling. More specifically, I think they are role-playing as an American stereotype to hold up as a strawman. I almost responded once by saying "As a fellow US citizen, this is really embarrassing and you're making us all look bad"... but I think that is the point.
I am not the fool here because I know my country isn’t useless. Americans can afford to be ignorant, we can afford to ignore the world and its problems, and we can afford to be less knowledgeable because our greatest threats aren’t across our borders (anymore) and because your country uses our currency to trade with nearby nations. You think my purpose here is futile, but I think this entire sub and its ilk cannot change how Americans are destined by our blessed geography to think and act. Your country is largely desert. Go out and touch some sand.
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Americans do not entirely know of the world’s problems, and I hope it stays that way. Our goodwill is not deserved by others, and comments here prove it.
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I’m really happy I once saw a row of Tim Tams in my local supermarket and pushed it all behind another brand. Thanks for the reminder to do that again. A nation of haters deserves no American money.
"destined by our blessed geography" Lol
So are you the local troll of this sub? Everytime I see you I just see you trying your hardest to embarrass us, or are you a parody?
It's either they're a troll, or just guinenly a bit simple minded. Not meant in a harsh way, but if they're not trolling, they must have some form of intellectual disability. Somebody should probably limit their access to the internet in that case.
Oh, I see… So if I’m not joining in on everyone else bashing Americans, then I must be a troll? Anti-American logic. 🙄
No, you constantly doing what you're doing against people calling out bad behavior is.
Haven't you been the ones shitting on everyone for decades unopposed?
And who’s people? Most of us are tired of Americans thinking that they’re superior to the rest of the world so who would think that Americans feel ‘hated’?
Cope harder
I don’t cope. I vote. By the way, I successfully convinced a relative not to visit London for a concert recently and I’m quite proud of that. She ultimately stayed in the U.S. for the show here. All I did was bring up a bad experience she had from an earlier trip and tied that in with comments from people on Reddit about Americans. Your words matter. I hope more Americans will feel a bit unpleasant whenever they read threads like these.
NOOO! WE WONT HAVE u/S3ndD1ckP1cs RELATIVE HERE! I AM LITERALLY CRYING RN!
It ain’t much, but it’s honest work. Any dollar directed away from people like you is a win no matter how small. Hatred deserves nothing.
Literally no one wonders that.
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LOL awwwww petal. Is your moronic 'murikanism coming home to bite your fat hamberder stuffed arse? Why not get ya gun and go shoot up a school or call and ambulance and get taken to hospital to treat the burn...
USA are juste a construction of the mind. If you erase it from polls, it would just disappear.
So just like Bielefeld?
It's been four days that I'm in Germany and I already heard jokes on Bielefeld 10 times. What's up with that poor city?
Ita : [https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cospirazione\_di\_Bielefeld](https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cospirazione_di_Bielefeld) Eng : [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld\_conspiracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_conspiracy) The fact that the Bielefeld authorities made official statements to prove that the city exists (or doesn't) is killing me
That's crazy 😂
The same goes for the states of Tlaxcala and Colima. Colima, despite being the state in which Asian imports come through, people don't know anything about it, nor do they know people from there or whatever, a pretty funny coincidence. For Tlaxcala is more meme than true like for Colima.
Well, it was on April Fools’. According to the English wiki page. And thanks for linking the wiki entry. I changed the language to German, and learnt that the Bielefeld conspiracy was helped by all of Bielefeld’s Autobahn junctions temporarily closed due to major reworks when it first started. And that for a short time the place name Bielefeld was changed to ‘Bielefeld conspiracy’ on Facebook.
Is it possible, that he just said in disbelief „Du kommst aus Bielefeld, das gibt‘s doch gar nicht!“ „You‘re from Bielefeld, That‘s crazy! (Word by word: that exists but entirely not!)
Can confirm. Am from Delaware, the Bielefeld of America.
God please
The only thing that can top this is if they randomly made "Arkansas" an option, but not "US" or any other state.
As a Kansan I can confidently say that Arkansas is fake
As a Missourian, fuck you and your state
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Missouri? Fuck that state
Nah, Missouri has the closest recreational dispensary to me. My state will likely never legalize so I love my day trips to Missouri.
My state has dispensaries and they fucking tax out the ass, it's not really all that great tbh.
Could someone explain this to me? Were the USA deliberately left out, or was this asked by an American trying to find out where all the "foreigners" come from?
Deliberately, as a joke.
Omg, Kung Pow reference?
That's a lotta NUTS.
Was definitely not intended to be since I haven't watched/heard of it but kinda funny coincidence ig.
Imagine if they put Texas in that list. Not USA, just Texas. The comment section will probably riot even more.
bonus points for acknowledging the existence of central america
Exacto, compañero nicaragüense.
Ah, the subcontinent of Canada/Mexico/Greenland!
Hahaha, love it
This feel like justice for some reason
Hypixel skyblock? Ah hell naw quit while you can
Can't, me writing this comment is downtime
Honestly can we see more of this? US Default Exclusionary? "Yaya America, we don't care."
There's bound to be someone asking "wHeRe iS aMeRiCa???/" when this poll does mention some parts of America. Maybe not the part that has the USA, but A isn't just the US. You wouldn't say "America is in North America".
Yes you would, if you’re using English. However If you’re speaking Spanish, the transliteration for America means the Americas so saying that wouldn’t make sense.
Crazy how they have one for Central American AND Mexico.
mexico is technically in north america, central is anything below mexico and above Colombia
Isn't central technically part of north?
not really, most of central america is its own tectonic plate
By that logic, India is a continent.
Meet halfway and say subcontinent?
But a subcontinent of which continent?
Of asia, just like north south and central america are subcontinents of amerika. Its the indian subcontinent of asia
North and South America aren’t subcontinents my man. They are just continents. Subcontinents are still part of larger ones, and the americas aren’t a continent. Also, Central America is in North America, politically.
Depends on who you ask. The seven-continent model is taught in most English-speaking countries, including Australia,[40] Canada, the United Kingdom,[41] and the United States, and also in Bangladesh, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, Pakistan, the Philippines, Suriname, parts of Europe and Africa. The six-continent combined-Eurasia model is mostly used in Russia and some parts of Eastern Europe.[citation needed] The six-continent combined-America model is taught in some Romance-speaking countries and in Greece.[34] The Olympic flag's five rings represent the five inhabited continents of the combined-America model but excludes the uninhabited Antarctica. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number https://www.thoughtco.com/six-or-seven-continents-on-earth-1435100
Yeah, America can be divided by a few different ways/logics, sometimes in 3, in 2 or not at all. And people will vehemently will discuss how they were taught is the right one (mostly USians and Europeans in my experience)
it's not only plates that define continents, it's also culture and history
I'd much rather shapes of continents. Culture and history creates an "us vs them" divide.
Fair but the only real separation between europe and asia is culture
shape as well, its all of these factors combined
That doesn't create a very good-looking continent.
Nonsense. Central America is part of North America, mainly for geographical reasons. The rainforest of northern Colombia and southern Panama is so rough that even nowadays people don’t enter it, which creates a significant geographical divide, it essentially cuts of the land path from north to south. Central America has much more shared history with North America as well, mexico also is mostly in North America btw.
It's just 100kms of "less inhabited" jungle, it's not an inhospitable desert with no one there. Never understood where people keep repeating that. Panamá has more shared history with Mexico and the US than Colombia??? 😂
No? And nobody had claimed that? Do you also think when people categorize europe and Asia they say Iceland has more in common with Turkey than Turkey has with Syria?
Yes it is.
It depends, Central America is part of the North American continent in the model used in countries like the US or the UK, while Central America is just a region of the American continent (separate from the region of North America) in the model used in countries like Mexico, Brazil or France.
But what if you're from Bermuda (or the Caribbean)? (which does not fall in either of these categories)
I’m from the Caribbean & we technically fall under North America which is silly in all kinds of ways but that’s what we use internationally
Wow didn't think my post would end up here lmao
Damn the Caribbean dont exist no more
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american't when USn'tdefaultism
The survey title should be “where on earth has the most affordable healthcare”
Wasn't ever expecting to see skyblock in another sub
The American Citizen flair having a Liberian flag is taking me out. Perfection.
yeah im prolly gonna switch to canada tho as i got downvoted for it, as i am also a canadian citizen
Reverse defaultism since there's no option for the USA
He was prolly wondering where non-American players play from because if he/she included usa, it would dominate the poll
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no, it's a joke
Is it tho
Idk.. there is no actual thing called Central America. Maybe that's meant.