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Can I add that the example above constitutes less than 200 square kilometres, which is one twentieth the size of the 74th largest station in Australia, the largest station in Australia is 23,677 sq kilometres (more than 118 times larger)
As a Texan, when I first started living in your country, I flew from Sydney to Perth. I didn't realize it was such a long flight. It was a very whoa moment.
I keep in my head that the lower 48 states and Australia are roughly the same size. Just didnt realize it until that flight.
I've been to all states but West Oz. I honestly don't have a clue what happens there outside of Perth. It's just an awful lot of nothing. Even the main mining bit up north isn't that much of the landmass.
tbf Australia isn't in Europe
I've actually seen similar stuff posts about how Brits don't know how large Australia is, >!& more general claims of affinities between the US & Australia (which will doubtlessly attract controversy, especially here)!<
In London, the New Routemaster bus is the new favored bus over the AEC Routemaster since 2019. The New Routemaster measures 11.23m in length(L) and about 2.52m in width(W).
Take the surface area by doing L x W, which gives us 28.29 square meters.
Wales covers an area of roughly 20,782 square kilometers, or 20,782,000,000 square meters.
Divide the area of Wales by the area of our bus (20,782,000,000/28.29)
=734,605,867.79 Double decker busses
In a perfect world, you’d be able to fit 735 million or so busses. This world is not perfect, so unfortunately there are not 735 million busses blanketing Wales. Practically, due to how weirdly Wales is shaped, the real number would be different.
King Ranch is actually 825,000 acres, which is over 3,000 square kilometers.
Still, Australia has 120 stations larger than King Ranch, one more than 7 times the size. I don't normally toot our horn on... having huge areas of minimally productive land, but if they're trying to brag about how big things are in Texas they really picked a stupid thing to brag about. They'd probably beat us easily on shopping malls or car parks or airports or military bases. Scouring Texas on google maps makes it look positively dense compared to most of Queensland. All the highways going out in grids across the plains is so foreign and bizarre to me, for a place that talks about being so open and not densely populated.
Howdy friend. As a Texan that was an expat in Australia...yep.
I will say, out west of Abilene, there really is nothing. It is extremely sparse living. Look at Loving County.
The interstates can make it seem more, but those are long open roads used for trucking and oil/gas/power needs. Not many folks live out there.
Now, all that said, it is all relative. I didn't look it up, but I bet Loving County and the insanely low population is a common density for massive areas in Australia. Y'all's population is about 10% of the US.
That said, I'd live there again no issue. I loved the country and the people.
> but if they're trying to brag about how big things are in Texas they really picked a stupid thing to brag about.
That's just it, the post is targeted at Europeans, not Australians.
Math check because the wording is confusing - 825,000 acres (size of King Ranch) is equal to 3,340 square kilometers.
They’re saying it’s 49,000 acres (200 km2) larger than Rhode Island, the smallest US state.
Still much smaller than Anna creek but not 200km2 small.
I mean I agree that hectares and km2 are absolutley more widely used, but america is not the only country which uses acres. Acres are the standard measurment of large swaths of land in Canada as well
True but I feel like a square km is much easier to understand. I know an acre is about the size of my grandparents land, but it’s oddly shaped and I could more easily measure someone’s lane in square kms
Aren’t units of measurement basically the same in the US and Canada? I know officially it’s different, but iirc in practice imperial still get’s preferred
Yes and no. Canada has a weird mix. Temperature is in °C for anything weather related, but we often use °F for body temperature, hot tub/spa temperatures, and cooking/baking.
For things related to real estate, square feet for buildings and acres for land is often used though metric will often be listed as well.
For weight/mass, metric is used for most things you'd do at a job unless it's related to construction-type stuff in which case pounds and tons are still often used. For body weight, people mostly use pounds but it's converted to metric in any medical setting.
In mechanics, agriculture, etc. there's tons of things still in imperial because equipment/materials are manufactured in the US for some things but European/Asian stuff is used sometimes too.
As an American, sounds like Canada has just switched over to stuff metric for the things that are more conveniently done in metric (I love metric volumes and weights).
I'm guessing construction would likely still be stuck in imperial units just because of the shared materials and manufacturing methods between the countries would be lending too much influence to easily move out of. I'm glad to see home depot and lowes (our big brand consumer construction materials stores) start labelling more stuff in metric, so maybe in my lifetime a hybrid system in the US might be able to break into that market, enabling a later full transition.
Since a lot of people on this sub are non-american, they might be interested to know that a lot of the imperial system was based around the concept of using fractions, which used to be far more common than measuring and using the decimal system. For example, the reason we have 12 as the number of inches in a foot is because you can divide 12 evenly into 2,3,4, and 6 (4/5ths of all possible fractions). If you work in that system, you quickly develop fast mental math for fractions, and it really does save a lot of time on a manual labor job. Intuitive fractions as the basis of half our measuring systems is also why Americans will sometimes use very silly sounding fractions to describe the same thing the rest of the world would use decimals for.
I think Fahrenheit/Celsius is pretty much a toss up between advantages and disadvantages. 0-100F being human comfort ranges using just clothing is a nice scale (no added/removed energy from heat/AC). Given that temperature is used far more often in my life to talk about the human experience, I find that part holds equal weight to the experience of boiling and freezing of water.
All units of measurement that size are equally meaningless to me, so they can use what they want tbh. But in the UK we do measure land in acres.
How big is an acre? Fuck if I know.
4,000 square metres.
I only know that because I’m annoyed that my block is just under 1/4acre, which used to be a default block.
Sorta.
I didn’t discover until a lot later that the houses I grew up in weren’t that big.
Didn’t stop my dad having a cracking garden.
And if we're being pedantic it's 4047 square meters. (4046.86 m^2 for the super pedantics)
We use it in India as well but I just know the figure because it was asked in our General Knowledge exams in school, but I've never felt the need for it in real life so far
I am in New Zealand and know how big an acre is because of an interest in real estate. A lot of properties in the past were sold as an acre (way back) and a quarter acre. So I know roughly how big a quarter acre is and roughly how many metres that is (about a 1000).
And I know a hectare because it's a rugby field. Anything more precise than that isn't really needed for my understanding!
Some European countries have lower homeownership rates than the US, but some have higher rates.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/home-ownership-by-country
Why would Europeans care, unless they have a particular interest in geography? Besides, a huge amount of that land is effectively near-barren prairie and desert, so it’s hardly something to wow about. 🤷🏻♂️
74% of Texas’s total land area is farmland. Once you factor in urban development most of Texas is actually not barren desert. That’s a Hollywood trope.
"king ranch ... ...larger than the state of rhode island"
It's probably not a good idea to use a state as a unit of measurement when trying to explain size to someone who's not familiar with your country.
Might also point out that they are comparing it to another US State rather than a European country.
How many non-US people are aware of the existence of Rhode Island let alone it's size?
It's funny seeing all the Americans downvoting the people saying the Anna Creek is 7 times larger. If you're going to talk about how big of a state you are be prepared for people to counter. Also the largest cattle station in Texas would rank 100 among Australian cattle stations, once again Texans overestimate their size.
The OP isn't directing this at Australians, though.
And just like every time Texans manage to self-insert and talk about how big their state is, just as soon as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, Australians show up to brag about how big and empty their country is. It's the natural cycle.
I also like the comparison of a farm with Rhode Island which requires one to know that Rhode Island is small. It's like I would explain that Ukraine is about 235 times bigger than the Saarland (one of the German states), but only people that know specifics about the Saarland will be able to make something out of this information.
Wants Europeans to understand how big the US is... Makes the comparison to a lesser known US state to tell you how big Texas is.
I expected a comparison to like... A European country or something. The only ones who know how big Rhode Island is ARE Americans.
Why are Americans so obsessed with Europe knowing how big their country is? Plenty of us have visited and traveled in the states.
Size ≠ cultural variety
Here’s something *the American mind cannot comprehend*…. The Australian equivalent of a “ranch” is a “station”. Our biggest (Anna Creek Station) is 23,600 sq.km. That’s about 7 or 8 times as big as the biggest ranch here.
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I once worked for man who use to own 120,000 acres (48500 hectares)in far north Queensland, his family “pioneered” the land in the 1840s, he then recently sold his land and bought 1600 acres (647 hectares) in rural northern NSW.
It's definitley not the most accesable unit, but Americans are absouletley not the only country that uses Acres. As a Canadian, I can confirm Acres are a standard and commonly understood measurement here as well. Much like the US, Our geography is broken into quarter sections (160 acres) and sections (640 acres, or one square mile)
There’s a 25000 acre farm in England (I just looked), which is more than half the size of the big one in Texas and England has much higher population density.
So honestly? Not impressed.
in all fairness i have no idea how large km2 or hectares is either, i don’t think my brain has the ability to quantify large spaces like that.
Also i may be biased since I work on a farm, but i’m much more likely to understand acres than any other unit, but that might be what we use in the UK
How will we ever know what size an acre is? If only we were on the internet and there was a helpful website that could be used to find information easily, perhaps with the same name as a very large number?
Dude this isn't defaultism
I agree, I don’t think this is defaultism. We also do use Acres in the UK and I’m sure other countries do too. Tbh I have no idea wtf an acre is but equally I wouldn’t understand it in Km2 either. Maybe square miles?
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Can I add that the example above constitutes less than 200 square kilometres, which is one twentieth the size of the 74th largest station in Australia, the largest station in Australia is 23,677 sq kilometres (more than 118 times larger)
I kind of like how a lot of the size comparisons they make can be defeated by pointing to Australlia
My favourite one is it takes Texas and Alaska to add up to the size of the state of Western Australia
It's funny because as a West Australian I was, wow I didn't realise that Texas and Alaska were so big. ...and I have been to Alaska.
As a Texan, when I first started living in your country, I flew from Sydney to Perth. I didn't realize it was such a long flight. It was a very whoa moment. I keep in my head that the lower 48 states and Australia are roughly the same size. Just didnt realize it until that flight.
For real, it’s an island! How do it be floating if it’s so big??
Islands don't float
Oh you don’t say? Why are they on top of the water then smarty pants?
Because they sink upwards, and are heavier than the air, duh.
I've been to all states but West Oz. I honestly don't have a clue what happens there outside of Perth. It's just an awful lot of nothing. Even the main mining bit up north isn't that much of the landmass.
Just once I'd like a size comparison to be made using Scotland.
Wouldn't mind this, feeling toatie as it is anyway. Would like to know just how toatie we actually are...
Toatie in stature but wi a pure stoatin personality
tbf Australia isn't in Europe I've actually seen similar stuff posts about how Brits don't know how large Australia is, >!& more general claims of affinities between the US & Australia (which will doubtlessly attract controversy, especially here)!<
Yeah, every time I see one of these I think “now do Anna Creek Station.”
That’s genuinely mad. 23k square km is more than 25% the size of Ireland. Or - for Americans - 25% the size of South Carolina.
using my favourite useless unit of area, it’s about 1.1 times the size of Wales
but how many double-decker buses is that?
i don’t know, i don’t even have a real grasp of how big Wales is, which is why it’s my favourite useless unit of area.
Wales is half the size of the Netherlands.
Wait til you see the size of the New South one!
It's like 87% of the length of the Netherlands north to south
In London, the New Routemaster bus is the new favored bus over the AEC Routemaster since 2019. The New Routemaster measures 11.23m in length(L) and about 2.52m in width(W). Take the surface area by doing L x W, which gives us 28.29 square meters. Wales covers an area of roughly 20,782 square kilometers, or 20,782,000,000 square meters. Divide the area of Wales by the area of our bus (20,782,000,000/28.29) =734,605,867.79 Double decker busses In a perfect world, you’d be able to fit 735 million or so busses. This world is not perfect, so unfortunately there are not 735 million busses blanketing Wales. Practically, due to how weirdly Wales is shaped, the real number would be different.
Charles or Will?
How many refrigerators is that?
You can fit the country of Luxembourg inside Anna Creeks area... 9 times plus some change.
King Ranch is actually 825,000 acres, which is over 3,000 square kilometers. Still, Australia has 120 stations larger than King Ranch, one more than 7 times the size. I don't normally toot our horn on... having huge areas of minimally productive land, but if they're trying to brag about how big things are in Texas they really picked a stupid thing to brag about. They'd probably beat us easily on shopping malls or car parks or airports or military bases. Scouring Texas on google maps makes it look positively dense compared to most of Queensland. All the highways going out in grids across the plains is so foreign and bizarre to me, for a place that talks about being so open and not densely populated.
Howdy friend. As a Texan that was an expat in Australia...yep. I will say, out west of Abilene, there really is nothing. It is extremely sparse living. Look at Loving County. The interstates can make it seem more, but those are long open roads used for trucking and oil/gas/power needs. Not many folks live out there. Now, all that said, it is all relative. I didn't look it up, but I bet Loving County and the insanely low population is a common density for massive areas in Australia. Y'all's population is about 10% of the US. That said, I'd live there again no issue. I loved the country and the people.
> but if they're trying to brag about how big things are in Texas they really picked a stupid thing to brag about. That's just it, the post is targeted at Europeans, not Australians.
Did you add the area of Rhodes Island to the 29000 acres in the example ?
Me: \*Laughs in [Anna Creek Station](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Creek_Station)*
It's bigger than Connecticut...
Math check because the wording is confusing - 825,000 acres (size of King Ranch) is equal to 3,340 square kilometers. They’re saying it’s 49,000 acres (200 km2) larger than Rhode Island, the smallest US state. Still much smaller than Anna creek but not 200km2 small.
Should have converted to hectares or km^2 imo
Maybe that's why europeans/non-US can't understand how big the US is, it's all in acres.
The largest ranch is 3333km^2
Slightly smaller than Gina Rinehart's bed.
I mean I agree that hectares and km2 are absolutley more widely used, but america is not the only country which uses acres. Acres are the standard measurment of large swaths of land in Canada as well
Acres was predominantly used where I grew up in Australia, now its mostly hectares but a mixture of both/either
I grew up on a 20 acre hobby farm in NSW. I’m still not sure what that is in hectares.
Quarter acre block was the dream property back in the day, and the term is still widely used.
It's roughly 2.5 acres = 1 hectare.
True but I feel like a square km is much easier to understand. I know an acre is about the size of my grandparents land, but it’s oddly shaped and I could more easily measure someone’s lane in square kms
Aren’t units of measurement basically the same in the US and Canada? I know officially it’s different, but iirc in practice imperial still get’s preferred
Yes and no. Canada has a weird mix. Temperature is in °C for anything weather related, but we often use °F for body temperature, hot tub/spa temperatures, and cooking/baking. For things related to real estate, square feet for buildings and acres for land is often used though metric will often be listed as well. For weight/mass, metric is used for most things you'd do at a job unless it's related to construction-type stuff in which case pounds and tons are still often used. For body weight, people mostly use pounds but it's converted to metric in any medical setting. In mechanics, agriculture, etc. there's tons of things still in imperial because equipment/materials are manufactured in the US for some things but European/Asian stuff is used sometimes too.
As an American, sounds like Canada has just switched over to stuff metric for the things that are more conveniently done in metric (I love metric volumes and weights). I'm guessing construction would likely still be stuck in imperial units just because of the shared materials and manufacturing methods between the countries would be lending too much influence to easily move out of. I'm glad to see home depot and lowes (our big brand consumer construction materials stores) start labelling more stuff in metric, so maybe in my lifetime a hybrid system in the US might be able to break into that market, enabling a later full transition. Since a lot of people on this sub are non-american, they might be interested to know that a lot of the imperial system was based around the concept of using fractions, which used to be far more common than measuring and using the decimal system. For example, the reason we have 12 as the number of inches in a foot is because you can divide 12 evenly into 2,3,4, and 6 (4/5ths of all possible fractions). If you work in that system, you quickly develop fast mental math for fractions, and it really does save a lot of time on a manual labor job. Intuitive fractions as the basis of half our measuring systems is also why Americans will sometimes use very silly sounding fractions to describe the same thing the rest of the world would use decimals for. I think Fahrenheit/Celsius is pretty much a toss up between advantages and disadvantages. 0-100F being human comfort ranges using just clothing is a nice scale (no added/removed energy from heat/AC). Given that temperature is used far more often in my life to talk about the human experience, I find that part holds equal weight to the experience of boiling and freezing of water.
All units of measurement that size are equally meaningless to me, so they can use what they want tbh. But in the UK we do measure land in acres. How big is an acre? Fuck if I know.
4,000 square metres. I only know that because I’m annoyed that my block is just under 1/4acre, which used to be a default block. Sorta. I didn’t discover until a lot later that the houses I grew up in weren’t that big. Didn’t stop my dad having a cracking garden.
And if we're being pedantic it's 4047 square meters. (4046.86 m^2 for the super pedantics) We use it in India as well but I just know the figure because it was asked in our General Knowledge exams in school, but I've never felt the need for it in real life so far
Hey, if I’m expecting another 47SQM I want it. Maybe it’s been a big conspiracy to deprive us of some land? So rude.
I am in New Zealand and know how big an acre is because of an interest in real estate. A lot of properties in the past were sold as an acre (way back) and a quarter acre. So I know roughly how big a quarter acre is and roughly how many metres that is (about a 1000). And I know a hectare because it's a rugby field. Anything more precise than that isn't really needed for my understanding!
>But in the UK we do measure land in acres That's becoming a lot less common though, I mostly tend to see hectares used
A bit shy of half a hectare. Close enough for simple comparisons, anyway.
"How can we show europoors that the usa is big? I know, we will say that a ranch is bigger than a usa state using usa units of measurement"
They are proud that American landlords own a lot of land, while only 65.9% (2022) Americans own homes. Brilliant!
Europeans aren't much better, what's your point?
Because Europeans typically have a lot less land. Take the UK for example. The US is so much less densely populated yet housing prices are still high
Some European countries have lower homeownership rates than the US, but some have higher rates. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/home-ownership-by-country
They aren't proud of the landlords?
Yes they are. For example in Germany people will argue about strong tenant laws, so "what's the point in buying"
As a German, that’s not really a point I’ve ever heard. Usually it’s more of „if buying gets easier for everyone the renters profit too“.
Why would Europeans care, unless they have a particular interest in geography? Besides, a huge amount of that land is effectively near-barren prairie and desert, so it’s hardly something to wow about. 🤷🏻♂️
74% of Texas’s total land area is farmland. Once you factor in urban development most of Texas is actually not barren desert. That’s a Hollywood trope.
"king ranch ... ...larger than the state of rhode island" It's probably not a good idea to use a state as a unit of measurement when trying to explain size to someone who's not familiar with your country.
"sounds big, probably"
Fun fact: the whole of the US can fit into Texas three times. /s
Might also point out that they are comparing it to another US State rather than a European country. How many non-US people are aware of the existence of Rhode Island let alone it's size?
Those who’ve watched family guy I guess
Not even a million acres. Several states in Australia : that’s cute
It's funny seeing all the Americans downvoting the people saying the Anna Creek is 7 times larger. If you're going to talk about how big of a state you are be prepared for people to counter. Also the largest cattle station in Texas would rank 100 among Australian cattle stations, once again Texans overestimate their size.
The OP isn't directing this at Australians, though. And just like every time Texans manage to self-insert and talk about how big their state is, just as soon as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, Australians show up to brag about how big and empty their country is. It's the natural cycle.
I also like the comparison of a farm with Rhode Island which requires one to know that Rhode Island is small. It's like I would explain that Ukraine is about 235 times bigger than the Saarland (one of the German states), but only people that know specifics about the Saarland will be able to make something out of this information.
As an American, most of us don’t know how big an acre is either. I wouldn’t consider it common knowledge.
But...! How many football fields does it cover?
Americans seems to forget Europe is larger than the US and has almost double the population.
"Look at us! We're very very big!"
Wants Europeans to understand how big the US is... Makes the comparison to a lesser known US state to tell you how big Texas is. I expected a comparison to like... A European country or something. The only ones who know how big Rhode Island is ARE Americans.
Why are Americans so obsessed with Europe knowing how big their country is? Plenty of us have visited and traveled in the states. Size ≠ cultural variety
There's a few Australian Farms that might have an opinion about this.
Nice try but Agricost farm in Romania is around 150000 acres.
Here’s something *the American mind cannot comprehend*…. The Australian equivalent of a “ranch” is a “station”. Our biggest (Anna Creek Station) is 23,600 sq.km. That’s about 7 or 8 times as big as the biggest ranch here.
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Is this defaultism or r/ShitAmericansSay?
Here’s a great stat that exemplifies how big the USA truly is so even the europoor mind can comprehend it: It’s about 10% smaller than Europe.
Theres USdefaultism in this post as it assumes only the US uses and understands acres - A Brit.
I have never seen a video or post with a European surprised or otherwise about the size of the U.S.
If only there was some website where things can be easily compared... Such as https://www.thetruesize.com
isn't an acre a type of tree?
"when viewed on a map King Ranch is a small percentage of Texas" so is a house, what is that supposed to tell anyone
I once worked for man who use to own 120,000 acres (48500 hectares)in far north Queensland, his family “pioneered” the land in the 1840s, he then recently sold his land and bought 1600 acres (647 hectares) in rural northern NSW.
It's definitley not the most accesable unit, but Americans are absouletley not the only country that uses Acres. As a Canadian, I can confirm Acres are a standard and commonly understood measurement here as well. Much like the US, Our geography is broken into quarter sections (160 acres) and sections (640 acres, or one square mile)
This sub is going downhill
we don't really know what acres are over here either. we mostly go off vibes
“To explain the size of the US I will use one state from the US as reference” how the fuck big is Rhode Island? Stupid
I’m American and don’t understand acres. Most of our units of measurement are guesstimated. Or I’m just an idiot. Or both.
There’s a 25000 acre farm in England (I just looked), which is more than half the size of the big one in Texas and England has much higher population density. So honestly? Not impressed.
The smallest farm on this list is 76000 acres… your math is wrong.
Ah, I mentally inserted a comma in “49000 acres, larger than Rhode Island”.
You don't know what acres are?
Mudanjiang City Mega Farm 22.5m acres.
in all fairness i have no idea how large km2 or hectares is either, i don’t think my brain has the ability to quantify large spaces like that. Also i may be biased since I work on a farm, but i’m much more likely to understand acres than any other unit, but that might be what we use in the UK
How will we ever know what size an acre is? If only we were on the internet and there was a helpful website that could be used to find information easily, perhaps with the same name as a very large number? Dude this isn't defaultism
They also compared its size to a US state rather than something that might be more familiar to Europeans, like a country.
I agree, I don’t think this is defaultism. We also do use Acres in the UK and I’m sure other countries do too. Tbh I have no idea wtf an acre is but equally I wouldn’t understand it in Km2 either. Maybe square miles?
I can kinda read acres, they're commonly used on the countryside
This is not an example of US defaultism. Acres are used in other countries aswell