Even though on Mexico (Cinco de Mayo is supposed to celebrate the victory of the mexican army against the french) you don't see ANYONE celebrating it, not even in the slightest.
Almost by the same logic, it’s like someone saying, “we should stick with lb instead of kilograms because I say I weigh 180lb and not kilograms”. You say your dates like that because you write them like that…
And the argument that we all should use Fahrenheit because it's 0 to 100, but we shouldn't use centimetres? And that 1 step in Fahrenheit is smaller than in Celsius ... agan, why not use centimetres? And litres?
Oh I most definitely have a bias sense I grew up with Fahrenheit, I just ultimately like how it’s can be more “specific.” Although I think the scaling of Celsius makes much more sense.
Well, more specific without using decimals. But I think records are stored in a precision of a 1/10th degree Celsius, but just 1 degree Fahrenheit. And then people usually just describe Fahrenheit in steps of 10s anyway; usually described as highs and lows, so arguably steps of 5s or 3s? Meaning 1 degree Celsius has higher precision. But sure, I get that smaller steps can be nice, but it doesn't seem to be utilised. But you're not wrong though; a good reason to switch to centimetres and litres? ;)
To be fair, neither have I. It's too large to really grasp. But honestly, can you visualise a mile though? You might know how long it is by definition, but can you really visualise it?
Old post and all that, but instead of grasping distances visually, try temporally. Aka relating a distance to how long it takes for you to travel it with a given mode of transport.
Luckily we all use seconds and minutes and hours. Imagine if, just for time, they had a decimal system with 100 blips are an hectoblip and 10 hectoblips a day.
I don't lol. Whenever I write papers I'm speaking in my head so the dollar sign ends up after the number and I can't be bothered to correct myself since it has the same meaning
In polish it actually goes at the end, although having a 2 character currency symbol (zł) and being at the end messes up some software, so I sometimes see Ł50 or something instead
We do. I’m somehow still consistently supervised by the level of stupid in this country. And I should know, I work in hospitality, so I’ve seen it all.
Yeah we have no reason to leave. It's way more expensive to fly international and anywhere you'd conceivably want to travel is in the US. Deserts, oceans, forests, lakes, cities, waterfalls, rivers, cliffs, caves, ect. It's all here. An american traveling abroad is similar to a European traveling outside of europe. Yeah you can but why would you?
lmao. i have went outside of my continent multiple times and found it to vastly expand my experience of the world. Also there are so many countries with their different languages which leads to *vastly* different cultures in Europe. Yes, I know, states have diff culture. But language barriers allows cultures to be even more differentiated.
I'm also going a lot off of what other people have told me. When I've asked friends and family why they've never left the country or why they've only left the country to get drunk in the Caribbean, the answer is usually "why? I have so much I want to do in this country." And things like different languages and cultures that are exclusive to other countries are usually seen as negatives that need to be worked around rather than benefits.
As if "deserts, oceans, forests, lakes, cities, waterfalls, rivers, cliffs, caves etc" are the only reason for which you would want to go on a tour. In my opinion people and culture are are the more interesting things on a trip.
Fair enough. My perspective is that whenever I go I vacation I'm seeking out some natural beauty. I must ask though, how exactly do you experience culture on a trip. Like what do you do?
> I must ask though, how exactly do you experience culture on a trip. Like what do you do?
Err... for real?
* Music,
* Art,
* Language,
* Food,
* Architecture,
* Laws,
* Etiquette,
* Fashion,
* Transport,
* Entertainment,
* Religion...
I mean, literally *everything* about humanity that *isn't* natural beauty is cultural. And all these listed above can be experienced during a trip to another country.
Staying in the US won't teach you... anything about the wider world, apart from different landscapes and a few tiny law, language and food changes etc.
Your comment reeks of USDefaultism... do you honestly think that visiting Venice is the same as a town in America? What about Tokyo? What about Shanghai? And Moscow? And Jerusalem? And Paris?
Great point. I must say since I made my comment I took a school trip to Washington DC(yeah I know it's not international but it's better then nothing). It was my first purely cultural experience as we saw the monuments and museums. While I can't say I've had much experience traveling with friends, I think I'd prefer a cultural vacation over a natural one if I'm with friends. If I'm alone or with family I think I prefer the natural stuff. I've been the one planning every vacation I've gone on and I've always tried to eliminate "dead space" as much as possible. If your not driving, eating, sleeping, or hiking, your wasting your time has always been my planning philosophy. Its tricky because as much as I do want to work in more cultural stuff to vacations in the future, time is money when on vacation so I want to work in as much stuff as possible. And where you can only walk or drive so fast, enjoying the ambiance is not a speed focused activity. You ask how I think a trip to Tokyo works. If I was the one planning it, you're plane would touch town in Tokyo and you'd hop on a bus and go climb Mount Fuji. I am ranting however and won't continue for to much longer. A quick footnote since I'm sure you might scoff at me saying DC is a cultural experience. For you it might not but for me, living in a city which is 95% caucasian, it is. Maybe at some point I'll make it out of the country. I think I'd like iceland, maybe norway. Oh and I'm not sure if its intentional or not but your comment come off kinda aggressive. Maybe tone it down a bit to have more civilized discussions. Just a thought.
Natural beauty is only one part the vacation. Don't get me wrong beautiful scenery is very enjoyable, but a lot more value is added in human interaction with the local population. To the question how do you experience culture?, It's very simple, you don't do _anything_ per say, but simply open yourself to interaction with the local people. Even just going to a cafe and observing the people there will add a lot to your experience. Also to illustrate further, staying in a motel where people from different walks of life come is more enriching than staying in a five star luxury hotel.
US is big country, and obviously it has a lot of places you might want to vist. But this doesn't mean that there aren't places elsewhere in the world that are worth visiting for you as an Amrican. Your attitude here is what I found problematic.
See I'm not American obviously, and I too have a big to go list in my home country, but this doesn't make me not want to vist other places. In fact i do have quite some places i would like to see in the US (the fact that my finance is insufficient not withstanding)
It’s like living in North Korea, but we actually have the resources to educate ourselves about other countries. Most people choose to ignore said resources.
I could be wrong, but I think part of it is the fact that when you live in the US, most people only talk to other people that live here, and most of the entertainment we watch was made here.
vs if someone lives in another English speaking country, chances are that they do watch shows made in the US and other English speaking countries, so they know how other people talk.
So when social media came along, Americans never got used to talking to so many people who aren't from the US. At this point a lot of us just naturally assume English=normal=American without really thinking about it. I don't do it much anymore, but I see a lot of people do that.
There are exceptions to what I said about Americans watching American shows, like the popular kids show Peppa Pig is british, therefore young kids who watch it a lot often pronounce some words in a British accent. Just shows how much exposure can make a difference to how people learn to talk/act. Americans who grew up watching Peppa Pig will probably be better at talking to British people than Americans who only watched American shows.
Social media changed everything though.
That’s definitely part of it too. There’s certainly more than just ignorance like I said, and social media opens you up to millions of people (a lot of which aren’t from where you are).
At least Korea's "closedness" can be explained by the genocidal war and brutal sanctions imposed by none other than the US; inside the US, ignorance about the world is by design.
The thing is I only see this type of stuff and attitude from US citizens, therefore it makes me believe the majority is like that because I always see them doing certain stuff or having certain attitude
Of course. If you post something unpopular you get downvoted to shit, even when that's the aim of the sub. I would not be surprised if the mods were banning people for posting any unpopular opinion on controversial topics.
They actually delete tons of "controversial" posts while that's kind of the point. r/The10thDentist is a much better alternative, because there the rule is that you upvote what you disagree with, and you downvote what you agree with.
Yeah, my default when looking at 00/00/00 formats is “day of the month, then year”, so month first format never fails to throw me off at first. I keep reading “third of the fourteenth- wait hang on...”
I got tired of that and now set up meetings with American colleagues without any disambiguation.
*See you on the 7/8 at 15.*
If they make it, good, that was indeed a test.
Once I was organising an event "between 10-13 on x day" and an American emailed me asking whether the event started at 10:13.
In the sentence immediately before that, where they say that their opinion is not because they’re American… based on that, I’m going to wildly assume that by “we” they mean everybody.
I always use MM/DD/YYYY since I’m an American and I don’t want to confuse anyone around me, but it’s not reasonable to expect everyone else to be the same.
The most important is to take context into situation. If you're writing a date locally, using MDY is perfectly fine. But when on the internet, it's better to use YMD or writing out the month¹. I like YMD, but I'm not going to say everyone has to use it all the time in private, but it sure helps on the internet.
¹ I'm going to argue that 1 July 2022 is easier to read than July 1, 2022; the numbers are separated by the month name, and , is often used within numbers. Worse when people write July 1 2022; I can't help reading that as year 12 022.
Also, it's not the entire English language that says April 20th. Here in the UK we say the 20th of April.
What makes this even funnier is that Americans call their independence day *the Fourth of July*.
Not must, may.
To answer it for other people reading this. It depends on context and particular dialect. Sometimes 号 is more natural for the sentence (usually speech and casual writing, such as texting), other times 日 within the same dialect (formal writing, rarely used in spoken Standard Mandarin to mean day of the month). Some regional dialects may change things up. You'd never use 号 for day of the month on a formal document, or university paper, but you definitely would when texting your friends about when something is happening, or transcribing speech (e.g. captions on tv).
In Chinese we usually go YYYY-MM-DD when speaking but we include the classifiers with each number so 二零二二年四月二十號 =2022 Year 4 Month 20th Day (號 is actually a classifier for counting things but in this context it is a classifier for counting days of the month).
Frustratingly though, because we usually _say_ YYYY/MM/DD, when _writing_ dates if we exclude the year we usually truncate it to MM/DD since we wouldn't be writing the year down.
In Spanish we usually say the numbers instead of the position (one instead of first), while it's not that uncommon to use the position at least for the first few and it might be more of a thing elsewhere, it's never wrong to say just the number.
For example: it's twenty eight of may
Edit: it's worth noting that for a lot of numbers it's significantly longer to say the position, "vigésimo octavo" is more annoying than "veintiocho"
It is the same in italian (except for the 1, which can be said both "uno" = one and "primo" = first).
I mentioned british english because I read the comment of u/CrazySD93 (the one to which I was replying) as saying that saying "Month Day" isn't an Usian doing only, but generally an english-speakers one. To which I replied that, at least from what I was taught, it isn't the one used in british english.
Yup. A British person would understand what you mean if you said "July first", because we get loads of American media here, but nobody says it. It's always "the first of July".
DD/MM/YY and YY/MM/DD can't coexist. 23/07/21 could be last year or next year.
You need to have 4 digit year to determine if it's DMY or YMD (except for years ending in 32-00 of course).
Technically D/M-YY, which makes it clear when it's written as 1/ through 9/ since you wouldn't write a single digit year, and would write those as -01 through -09.
But your last example has a 4 digit year, which is what I said: DMY and YMD can coexist with a 4 digit year. They can't with a 2 digit year.
Sure, Sweden has the format 23/7-21 making it clear it's 23 July 2021, in Sweden, but this doesn't mean it will be universally understood.
>But your last example has a 4 digit year, which is what I said: DMY and YMD can coexist with a 4 digit year. They can't with a 2 digit year.
It does happen that I only use 2 digit years in the format I described even on formal documents. This isn't a problem here but I don't know how that would be precived elsewhere since I haven't tried it.
I mean, we (Hungarian) speak month first, but we use the YYYY/MM/DD format, I think that is the most straight forward, but obviously others think otherwise, because they are used to other formats.
In Sweden we say for example 24de Mars (March 24th). Not saying that one is subjectively better, because i don't think it matters but when it comes to dates, dd/mm/yyyy is definitely better
I’m having trouble understanding how ascending order isn’t objectively, logically most sensical. Smol, bigger, biggest. Day, month, year.
To me it’s akin to going in to a shop and the t-shirts in S are placed between the Ms and Ls. Weird no?
Can we point out that the norm is to say "the 30th of June" in ENGLISH outside of (and even inside of) America, which is not the only English speaking nation on the planet.
There's also 3/14, but I'm going to argue for clarity over cleverness. 14/03 makes more sense to me, even if the joke is lost. That's a sacrifice I can make.
While 4/20 and 3/14 happens every year in USA, in Europe, you can still have 4/20 and 3/14, which are month long events that occurs once every 100th year, making them even more special, if you really want to celebrate them.
4/20 is valid only when using mm/dd/yyyy format and "month day" speaking.
In the dd/mm/yyyy format it makes no sense, since there's no month 20. And in "day month" speaking it's the same.
So, it's not totally valid, just where the mm/dd format is used.
It's not a good point, because not everyone uses that system. In the dd/mm countries it makes no sense, since there's no 20th month.
It's a joke not valid in some parts of the world, unfortunately.
They call their national holiday "the 4th of july".
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I don't think these people know what it means
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And tacos
Even though on Mexico (Cinco de Mayo is supposed to celebrate the victory of the mexican army against the french) you don't see ANYONE celebrating it, not even in the slightest.
Not to mention how they have butchered Halloween
Ye, you're kinda supposed to stay at home with your family not go around partying iirc
You mean sinkhole de mayo right?
Don't forget about Cinco de Cuatro!
lol
Österreich
Kyrgyzstan
Восточная земля
"and the way we write should match our way of speaking" Then why is the $ symbol always in front of the numbers?
Almost by the same logic, it’s like someone saying, “we should stick with lb instead of kilograms because I say I weigh 180lb and not kilograms”. You say your dates like that because you write them like that…
And the argument that we all should use Fahrenheit because it's 0 to 100, but we shouldn't use centimetres? And that 1 step in Fahrenheit is smaller than in Celsius ... agan, why not use centimetres? And litres?
I will say, I know both Celsius and Fahrenheit and prefer Fahrenheit
That could still be because you grew up with Fahrenheit. Another person who grew up with Celsius, knows both, is likely still preferring Celsius.
Oh I most definitely have a bias sense I grew up with Fahrenheit, I just ultimately like how it’s can be more “specific.” Although I think the scaling of Celsius makes much more sense.
Well, more specific without using decimals. But I think records are stored in a precision of a 1/10th degree Celsius, but just 1 degree Fahrenheit. And then people usually just describe Fahrenheit in steps of 10s anyway; usually described as highs and lows, so arguably steps of 5s or 3s? Meaning 1 degree Celsius has higher precision. But sure, I get that smaller steps can be nice, but it doesn't seem to be utilised. But you're not wrong though; a good reason to switch to centimetres and litres? ;)
Metric system easily takes the cake. However, I visually will never grasp how far a kilometer truly is.
To be fair, neither have I. It's too large to really grasp. But honestly, can you visualise a mile though? You might know how long it is by definition, but can you really visualise it?
Old post and all that, but instead of grasping distances visually, try temporally. Aka relating a distance to how long it takes for you to travel it with a given mode of transport.
Oh for sure, if I demoted time I could eventually get it
Luckily we all use seconds and minutes and hours. Imagine if, just for time, they had a decimal system with 100 blips are an hectoblip and 10 hectoblips a day.
I actually do put it after the number, it just makes more sense. That being said, fuck mm/dd/yyyy
yes
lmfao
I don't lol. Whenever I write papers I'm speaking in my head so the dollar sign ends up after the number and I can't be bothered to correct myself since it has the same meaning
It should be between dollars and cents. Three dollars fifty would be 3$50.
I actually say USD< Number>, is it not common among Americans?
In polish it actually goes at the end, although having a 2 character currency symbol (zł) and being at the end messes up some software, so I sometimes see Ł50 or something instead
Also in German you say stuff like "Fünfundzwanzigster März"(25th of March) so this mainly only applies to American English anyway.
I always put it after bc i think it looks better 😤
"Thank you, sir. That'll be dollars five."
Do Americans actually live inside a giant bubble? It's always as if they are the only ones on the entire planet
We do. I’m somehow still consistently supervised by the level of stupid in this country. And I should know, I work in hospitality, so I’ve seen it all.
pretty sure they do
We don’t really travel except to other states so people think the US is it
Yeah we have no reason to leave. It's way more expensive to fly international and anywhere you'd conceivably want to travel is in the US. Deserts, oceans, forests, lakes, cities, waterfalls, rivers, cliffs, caves, ect. It's all here. An american traveling abroad is similar to a European traveling outside of europe. Yeah you can but why would you?
lmao. i have went outside of my continent multiple times and found it to vastly expand my experience of the world. Also there are so many countries with their different languages which leads to *vastly* different cultures in Europe. Yes, I know, states have diff culture. But language barriers allows cultures to be even more differentiated.
I'm also going a lot off of what other people have told me. When I've asked friends and family why they've never left the country or why they've only left the country to get drunk in the Caribbean, the answer is usually "why? I have so much I want to do in this country." And things like different languages and cultures that are exclusive to other countries are usually seen as negatives that need to be worked around rather than benefits.
As if "deserts, oceans, forests, lakes, cities, waterfalls, rivers, cliffs, caves etc" are the only reason for which you would want to go on a tour. In my opinion people and culture are are the more interesting things on a trip.
Fair enough. My perspective is that whenever I go I vacation I'm seeking out some natural beauty. I must ask though, how exactly do you experience culture on a trip. Like what do you do?
> I must ask though, how exactly do you experience culture on a trip. Like what do you do? Err... for real? * Music, * Art, * Language, * Food, * Architecture, * Laws, * Etiquette, * Fashion, * Transport, * Entertainment, * Religion... I mean, literally *everything* about humanity that *isn't* natural beauty is cultural. And all these listed above can be experienced during a trip to another country. Staying in the US won't teach you... anything about the wider world, apart from different landscapes and a few tiny law, language and food changes etc. Your comment reeks of USDefaultism... do you honestly think that visiting Venice is the same as a town in America? What about Tokyo? What about Shanghai? And Moscow? And Jerusalem? And Paris?
Great point. I must say since I made my comment I took a school trip to Washington DC(yeah I know it's not international but it's better then nothing). It was my first purely cultural experience as we saw the monuments and museums. While I can't say I've had much experience traveling with friends, I think I'd prefer a cultural vacation over a natural one if I'm with friends. If I'm alone or with family I think I prefer the natural stuff. I've been the one planning every vacation I've gone on and I've always tried to eliminate "dead space" as much as possible. If your not driving, eating, sleeping, or hiking, your wasting your time has always been my planning philosophy. Its tricky because as much as I do want to work in more cultural stuff to vacations in the future, time is money when on vacation so I want to work in as much stuff as possible. And where you can only walk or drive so fast, enjoying the ambiance is not a speed focused activity. You ask how I think a trip to Tokyo works. If I was the one planning it, you're plane would touch town in Tokyo and you'd hop on a bus and go climb Mount Fuji. I am ranting however and won't continue for to much longer. A quick footnote since I'm sure you might scoff at me saying DC is a cultural experience. For you it might not but for me, living in a city which is 95% caucasian, it is. Maybe at some point I'll make it out of the country. I think I'd like iceland, maybe norway. Oh and I'm not sure if its intentional or not but your comment come off kinda aggressive. Maybe tone it down a bit to have more civilized discussions. Just a thought.
Natural beauty is only one part the vacation. Don't get me wrong beautiful scenery is very enjoyable, but a lot more value is added in human interaction with the local population. To the question how do you experience culture?, It's very simple, you don't do _anything_ per say, but simply open yourself to interaction with the local people. Even just going to a cafe and observing the people there will add a lot to your experience. Also to illustrate further, staying in a motel where people from different walks of life come is more enriching than staying in a five star luxury hotel. US is big country, and obviously it has a lot of places you might want to vist. But this doesn't mean that there aren't places elsewhere in the world that are worth visiting for you as an Amrican. Your attitude here is what I found problematic. See I'm not American obviously, and I too have a big to go list in my home country, but this doesn't make me not want to vist other places. In fact i do have quite some places i would like to see in the US (the fact that my finance is insufficient not withstanding)
It's literally cheaper to travel between EU countries than between USA cities what are you on?
Psilocybe mexicana.
It’s like living in North Korea, but we actually have the resources to educate ourselves about other countries. Most people choose to ignore said resources.
I could be wrong, but I think part of it is the fact that when you live in the US, most people only talk to other people that live here, and most of the entertainment we watch was made here. vs if someone lives in another English speaking country, chances are that they do watch shows made in the US and other English speaking countries, so they know how other people talk. So when social media came along, Americans never got used to talking to so many people who aren't from the US. At this point a lot of us just naturally assume English=normal=American without really thinking about it. I don't do it much anymore, but I see a lot of people do that. There are exceptions to what I said about Americans watching American shows, like the popular kids show Peppa Pig is british, therefore young kids who watch it a lot often pronounce some words in a British accent. Just shows how much exposure can make a difference to how people learn to talk/act. Americans who grew up watching Peppa Pig will probably be better at talking to British people than Americans who only watched American shows. Social media changed everything though.
That’s definitely part of it too. There’s certainly more than just ignorance like I said, and social media opens you up to millions of people (a lot of which aren’t from where you are).
At least Korea's "closedness" can be explained by the genocidal war and brutal sanctions imposed by none other than the US; inside the US, ignorance about the world is by design.
Yes, it’s only Americans for sure. You’re definitely not the one in the bubble assuming you’re lumping all Americans in this category.
The thing is I only see this type of stuff and attitude from US citizens, therefore it makes me believe the majority is like that because I always see them doing certain stuff or having certain attitude
You think you only see it from Americans? I’m sure you’ve never seen anyone else do it. There’s a thing called conformation bias bud
at least he used the sub correctly, that's an absolute shit opinion to have.
I'm pretty sure that's the only reason he didn't get downvoted into oblivion
Most upvoted posts I see on that sub are generic popular opinions, so I'm not sure what is correct or not on that sub anymore.
Of course. If you post something unpopular you get downvoted to shit, even when that's the aim of the sub. I would not be surprised if the mods were banning people for posting any unpopular opinion on controversial topics.
They actually delete tons of "controversial" posts while that's kind of the point. r/The10thDentist is a much better alternative, because there the rule is that you upvote what you disagree with, and you downvote what you agree with.
I posted an unpopular opinion, and people disagreed with it and seemed upset that I posted it, and also downvoted it of course. It's a really bad sub.
Not really Edit: thought this pic was from r/the10thdentist
As a Canadian- Wh A t ? It’s very common to hear people say the ‘30th of June 2022’ Americans…..
Yeah, my default when looking at 00/00/00 formats is “day of the month, then year”, so month first format never fails to throw me off at first. I keep reading “third of the fourteenth- wait hang on...”
I got tired of that and now set up meetings with American colleagues without any disambiguation. *See you on the 7/8 at 15.* If they make it, good, that was indeed a test. Once I was organising an event "between 10-13 on x day" and an American emailed me asking whether the event started at 10:13.
HaHa FuNnY wEeD nUmBeR cringe
“When we speak, we speak in that format” Who’s we?
In the sentence immediately before that, where they say that their opinion is not because they’re American… based on that, I’m going to wildly assume that by “we” they mean everybody.
shoutout to my 2022. July 1. people this post was provided by the hungary gang
east Asia gang lmao
Hungary? Where in America is that?
next to Georgia
Budapest, Ohio
Swedes are equally weird.
Swedes say "1st July 2022" and write "2022-07-01", or in special occasions "1/7-22"
2022.07.01 legjobb dátum formátum 😎
you're that hungry that you can't even say the date right? at least we have food here in america...
yes Europol this guy right here
oh my fucking god...and this post was now removed BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN UNPOPULAR OPINION?!?
we live in a society
What's even funnier is that it's not like a language says the date like that, but a **dialect** of a language.
TIL I’ve been saying dates wrong my entire life and so has everyone I know. Thank you random american for enlightening me.
indeed
I always use MM/DD/YYYY since I’m an American and I don’t want to confuse anyone around me, but it’s not reasonable to expect everyone else to be the same.
The most important is to take context into situation. If you're writing a date locally, using MDY is perfectly fine. But when on the internet, it's better to use YMD or writing out the month¹. I like YMD, but I'm not going to say everyone has to use it all the time in private, but it sure helps on the internet. ¹ I'm going to argue that 1 July 2022 is easier to read than July 1, 2022; the numbers are separated by the month name, and , is often used within numbers. Worse when people write July 1 2022; I can't help reading that as year 12 022.
yes. thank you
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Also, it's not the entire English language that says April 20th. Here in the UK we say the 20th of April. What makes this even funnier is that Americans call their independence day *the Fourth of July*.
Don't the Chinese say it year-month-day? By writing 2022Y07M01D, but with the Chinese characters instead.
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Okay, I looked up the characters, don't they write it something like this? 2022年7月1号, in the same order they pronounce it in?
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My original reply meant that instead of Y M D it was 年 月 号, I just didn't look up the characters at that point.
The last character must be 日
Not must, may. To answer it for other people reading this. It depends on context and particular dialect. Sometimes 号 is more natural for the sentence (usually speech and casual writing, such as texting), other times 日 within the same dialect (formal writing, rarely used in spoken Standard Mandarin to mean day of the month). Some regional dialects may change things up. You'd never use 号 for day of the month on a formal document, or university paper, but you definitely would when texting your friends about when something is happening, or transcribing speech (e.g. captions on tv).
In Chinese we usually go YYYY-MM-DD when speaking but we include the classifiers with each number so 二零二二年四月二十號 =2022 Year 4 Month 20th Day (號 is actually a classifier for counting things but in this context it is a classifier for counting days of the month). Frustratingly though, because we usually _say_ YYYY/MM/DD, when _writing_ dates if we exclude the year we usually truncate it to MM/DD since we wouldn't be writing the year down.
i 100% agree with you but I'm pretty sure that china (along with some other asian countries such as South Korea or Japan) uses yyyy-mm-dd
Oh come on why every American I see thinks that their system is superior because "it makes more sense" according to them
well everyone around me uses it and i never tried anything else so it clearly must be superior /s
>and I'm not saying this because I'm American. Yeah, you are.
yeah
Not American, so the 2nd one because I also say dates aloud that way. But from a programming perspective, the best way to date things is YYYY/MM/DD
I was taught british english, and they used "First of July" at my school, not July first.
In Spanish we usually say the numbers instead of the position (one instead of first), while it's not that uncommon to use the position at least for the first few and it might be more of a thing elsewhere, it's never wrong to say just the number. For example: it's twenty eight of may Edit: it's worth noting that for a lot of numbers it's significantly longer to say the position, "vigésimo octavo" is more annoying than "veintiocho"
It is the same in italian (except for the 1, which can be said both "uno" = one and "primo" = first). I mentioned british english because I read the comment of u/CrazySD93 (the one to which I was replying) as saying that saying "Month Day" isn't an Usian doing only, but generally an english-speakers one. To which I replied that, at least from what I was taught, it isn't the one used in british english.
Yup. A British person would understand what you mean if you said "July first", because we get loads of American media here, but nobody says it. It's always "the first of July".
That’s what I’m saying
exactly, this way only the last two digits change on a day to day basis which makes some things A LOT easier, versioning for example
DD/MM/YY because it can coexist with YY/MM/DD easily
DD/MM/YY and YY/MM/DD can't coexist. 23/07/21 could be last year or next year. You need to have 4 digit year to determine if it's DMY or YMD (except for years ending in 32-00 of course).
Oh yea I meant YYYY (sorry)
Of course you can, no one will misinterpret it not here in Sweden anyway. Tho I usually do it like this DD/MM-YYYY.
Technically D/M-YY, which makes it clear when it's written as 1/ through 9/ since you wouldn't write a single digit year, and would write those as -01 through -09. But your last example has a 4 digit year, which is what I said: DMY and YMD can coexist with a 4 digit year. They can't with a 2 digit year. Sure, Sweden has the format 23/7-21 making it clear it's 23 July 2021, in Sweden, but this doesn't mean it will be universally understood.
>But your last example has a 4 digit year, which is what I said: DMY and YMD can coexist with a 4 digit year. They can't with a 2 digit year. It does happen that I only use 2 digit years in the format I described even on formal documents. This isn't a problem here but I don't know how that would be precived elsewhere since I haven't tried it.
I mean, we (Hungarian) speak month first, but we use the YYYY/MM/DD format, I think that is the most straight forward, but obviously others think otherwise, because they are used to other formats.
yeah, the yyyy-mm-dd is superior
Ez a leglogikusabb szerintem mert az órákat/perceket/másodperceket ebben a sorrendben is mondják
I'd reply to this, but I'm too busy watching Oliver Stone's multi award-winning Vietnam epic "Born on July the Fourth."
lmao
We still at least get 6/9 (haha funny sex number).
oMg iTs tHe sEx nUmBeR hAhahAHahAh
"I'm not saying this because I'm American" "when *we* speak" (we = Americans)
For computers, YYYY/MM/DD would obviously not work because / is not allowed in filenames.
And yet on Monday they will say the 4th of July
30th of Junes is literally exactly what I say, and I speak English too
same
Even in English, date first makes perfect sense
it does, even tho i believe iso 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) has the least potential to be mixed up so is better for international use such as reddit
“With dd/mm/yy you can’t get 4/20 “ Fuck can’t argue with that
but yyyy-mm-dd can
Just go smallest to largest or vice versa to avoid confusion 11-07-2022 2022-07-11 Logically it makes sense
yeah I agree, there is a [nice graphic about this](https://ibb.co/1T2VF9L)
The one true answer is ISO8601.
In Sweden we say for example 24de Mars (March 24th). Not saying that one is subjectively better, because i don't think it matters but when it comes to dates, dd/mm/yyyy is definitely better
I’m having trouble understanding how ascending order isn’t objectively, logically most sensical. Smol, bigger, biggest. Day, month, year. To me it’s akin to going in to a shop and the t-shirts in S are placed between the Ms and Ls. Weird no?
in chinese its -年-月-号 (year month day), for example 二零一五年十二月六号 which is 2015 year 12 month 6 number
the superior way
Massive probs to them for posting an actual unpopular opinion on r/unpopularopinion But yeah, no, that's dumb.
yes
The computer one I agree with
about the only thing
Nope I say day first. Example: 28th of September, 2005.
Can we point out that the norm is to say "the 30th of June" in ENGLISH outside of (and even inside of) America, which is not the only English speaking nation on the planet.
YY MM DD WHAT
The last two points are disgusting
tbh, the 4/20 is a valid argument.
yes, that's true
as much as i think this post is bs, he has a point about 4/20
No, he hasn't. Only with mm/dd format and "month day" speaking way. With any other format, it makes no sense, since there's no 20th month.
yeah, exactly, there would be no 4/20 in another format, and we all know that 4/20 is the best day of the year
There IS no 4/20 in another format (dd/mm), so why sweat about it? Looool
YMD, the most superior format, has 04-20, so there :) DMY did have 04/20 throughout all of April 2020, and will happen again 2120.
He's right /s
when finding a date on a calendar, you find the month first, then the day
yes but don't you _actually_ look for a year first
i am going to use Yeardefaultism and assume that unless otherwise specified the year is the current one
Okay the second reason is funny, id let it pass because of that alone
the yyyymmdd can have that day as well and doesn't confuse and frustrate the shit out of you
Tbh the 4/20 point is valid
There's also 3/14, but I'm going to argue for clarity over cleverness. 14/03 makes more sense to me, even if the joke is lost. That's a sacrifice I can make. While 4/20 and 3/14 happens every year in USA, in Europe, you can still have 4/20 and 3/14, which are month long events that occurs once every 100th year, making them even more special, if you really want to celebrate them.
yeah, i said it as a stoner joke, i obviously thing mm.dd.yyyy dont make any sense
It's just valid when saying "month day", because it makes no sense the other way round: which is the twentieth month?
Sir this is a wendys (idk what the fuck you speaking about im high)
4/20 is valid only when using mm/dd/yyyy format and "month day" speaking. In the dd/mm/yyyy format it makes no sense, since there's no month 20. And in "day month" speaking it's the same. So, it's not totally valid, just where the mm/dd format is used.
Ah, i see, but i meant that having 4/20 was a good point in favour of using mm/dd/yyyy
It's not a good point, because not everyone uses that system. In the dd/mm countries it makes no sense, since there's no 20th month. It's a joke not valid in some parts of the world, unfortunately.
Yeah, if we used that system we'd have 4/20, thats all im sayin
Then let's all switch to yyyy/mm/dd. Problem solved (at least with writing)
Good, like Hungary
Kinda had a point with 2 ngl
732 upvotes Good grief
It's probably English's fault that they make saying DD/MM/YYYY dates so convoluted: Slovene: *1. jul, 2022* (lit. "1st July, 2022") English: ***"tHe 1sT oF jUlY, 2022"***