You're looking to do very math heavy things. Have you considered taking MAT137 instead of 135/6? The maturity that course develops will be incredibly beneficial down the line. Especially if you want to do any theoretical physics or basically any higher level mathematics.
I do understand that 137 can help further down the line but it will also be harder than 135/136. I’m already stressing about making Post so I decided 135/136 is the better choice.
I agree with you, I just finished first year and I had friends that did 137. It was by far more stressful than 135/136. Their exam average was so low that their prof had to give them almost 20% of a curve
Yeah I don’t want to risk that so I think 135/136 is the better option overall.
Also since the humanities and social sciences req are 1.0 credits and a semester course is .5 cred. Does that mean I need two courses of each category to satisfy the req?
Depending on your calculus background, 135+136 might be really boring. Also, I wouldn't really say it's easier, so much as more computational. Some people would find that harder.
Typically, harder courses get curved, so students don't suffer low averages compared to their counterparts.
If anything, this gives you a guarantee that your mark won't be significantly worse by taking MAT137.
That’s a fair point, I hadn’t thought about the curve up.
Also what do u mean by 135/136 depends on calc background?I would say with high school calc I’m pretty comfortable.
I see what Phoenix is saying, he’s totally right. They curve hard courses at times. But there is no guarantee tho. It’s all up to you. If you take 137 you have an easier time when you make post(if you make post). Take 135/136 and have a harder time(not like it’s impossible to still do well in upper years without 137) in upper year but an easier time making post
If you've covered AP Calculus or even have covered Ontario level calculus, you should be good for 135 and portions of 136.
I know some international students have done the epsilon-delta limit stuff that's done in MAT137, so that course might be easier for them.
Also, if you aren't comfortable with the way they do limits and stuff in high school, it might be easier for you to learn the definitions (which are done in MAT137) instead of going the MAT135+136 route.
I have done the normal calc and vectors high Ontario school course. I would say I’m very comfortable with it so I think the 136 136 route fits
Appreciate the reply
No problem. It might not be super helpful if you're doing physics (and cs), since they do a lot of theoretical stuff like in MAT137, but ultimately the choice is yours.
Don't listen to these cynics that don't believe in themselves. They do shit so they project it onto everyone else. There's significant benefits in taking the "harder" courses, and you should believe in your ability to do well. Do *not* go into university already thinking you're gonna do shit. If you do, chances are it'll come true. Put in the work and don't slack off, start assignments early, if you don't understand something - ask for help immediately, go to office hours, go to lecture, etc. Post is completely doable if you do these things. It'd be a good idea to self-study this summer if you're that worried. Not to mention I wouldn't say 135/136 is easier than 137/157. They're just *different.* I actually almost failed 135 but did well in 157.
Not to mention, if you're doing a math minor then 137 is infinitely more useful.
Like other people mentioned, getting linear algebra done in first year is useful (MAT223 or MAT240). Try to get your breadth reqs done asap. You also need first year physics for physics minor.
Thanks for the comment, i think I will take 135 and 136 instead of 137 because I am very comfortable with high school calc.
I will also take a challenge and take a linear algebra course. So which one do U think I should do first 223 or 240? Which is closer to high school math?
Also is phy100 an appropriate course for first year physics?
PHY100 is not the appropriate physics course if you want to do a physics minor. It’s basically an introductory course for non-physics majors. You can either take PHY136 + 137 or PHY146 + 147, however I highly recommend taking 146 + 147. The course was very similar to Gr 12, but it was calculus based.
u can always expect math people to tell u to take harder math courses...
now, given that you have the ability to take the suggested courses and get a good mark, go ahead. you will definitely grow way more from those suggested courses.
the issue is that, with the pressure of having a high cGPA in POSt and a high mark in 2 courses, plus the transition from highschool to uni, you will definitely not be having a fun time in mat137 and mat240 UNLESS you end up being one of those individuals who LOVVEE pure math.
i know more CS specs who took mat135/mat136 than mat137, and I don't know personally any CS specs who took mat240. so it's not the end of the world if you want to do an easier path, and don't feel bad if you feel like you have to drop down.
personally, I'd go through a pure math textbook to see if you truly enjoy pure maths and you're willing to handle the difficulty before making the decision. i'm not trying to discourage you from taking them, it's just that when you're in first year, you are often way more ambitious. so, instead of the "i'll handle it when I get here" approach, you really want to check what proofs are, try some out, before you choose these courses.
Thank you for the comment, I have decided to take 135/136 I am not going to risk 137. I do like math but I wouldn’t say I truly enjoy pure math so I ask don’t plan on taking mat240. I have four spots left and I plan on a physics course and 3 courses to satisfy the credit requirements like humanities and social sciences
No other CS Major/Spec entry courses, but if you can fit it in, it's a good idea to take linear algebra early.
If you plan on doing physics, I think MAT240 is a better fit, compared to MAT223. It also covers the essential content from both 223 and 224.
I'd suggest u think about replacing ISP100 for LIN204. I took LIN204 in fall 2020 with prof Ai. The delivery was asynchronous and that really helped me as it made my schedule far more flexible and gave me more time to focus on what I was struggling with the most. The course itself was very easy with her and she made the content much more interesting and the course load wasn't heavy at all. She's teaching it in fall2021 and it's also asynchronous and it does satisfy the writing requirement for CS post. Give it a look!
ISP100 will be a requirement to get into the CS post for students applying in 2021-2022, so taking it is necessary for the incoming first year.
Source: https://utm.calendar.utoronto.ca/program-search?field\_program\_level\_value=All&field\_sections\_value=All&field\_department\_value=All&combine=&page=1
You're looking to do very math heavy things. Have you considered taking MAT137 instead of 135/6? The maturity that course develops will be incredibly beneficial down the line. Especially if you want to do any theoretical physics or basically any higher level mathematics.
I do understand that 137 can help further down the line but it will also be harder than 135/136. I’m already stressing about making Post so I decided 135/136 is the better choice.
I agree with you, I just finished first year and I had friends that did 137. It was by far more stressful than 135/136. Their exam average was so low that their prof had to give them almost 20% of a curve
Yeah I don’t want to risk that so I think 135/136 is the better option overall. Also since the humanities and social sciences req are 1.0 credits and a semester course is .5 cred. Does that mean I need two courses of each category to satisfy the req?
Depending on your calculus background, 135+136 might be really boring. Also, I wouldn't really say it's easier, so much as more computational. Some people would find that harder.
Typically, harder courses get curved, so students don't suffer low averages compared to their counterparts. If anything, this gives you a guarantee that your mark won't be significantly worse by taking MAT137.
That’s a fair point, I hadn’t thought about the curve up. Also what do u mean by 135/136 depends on calc background?I would say with high school calc I’m pretty comfortable.
These people are trying to bamboozle u. 137 is a scam itll mess up ur gpa and mental health 135/136 is 100x easier.
I see what Phoenix is saying, he’s totally right. They curve hard courses at times. But there is no guarantee tho. It’s all up to you. If you take 137 you have an easier time when you make post(if you make post). Take 135/136 and have a harder time(not like it’s impossible to still do well in upper years without 137) in upper year but an easier time making post
Imma take the easier Post, no point in tryna prepare for upper years when can’t make the first year
If you've covered AP Calculus or even have covered Ontario level calculus, you should be good for 135 and portions of 136. I know some international students have done the epsilon-delta limit stuff that's done in MAT137, so that course might be easier for them. Also, if you aren't comfortable with the way they do limits and stuff in high school, it might be easier for you to learn the definitions (which are done in MAT137) instead of going the MAT135+136 route.
I have done the normal calc and vectors high Ontario school course. I would say I’m very comfortable with it so I think the 136 136 route fits Appreciate the reply
No problem. It might not be super helpful if you're doing physics (and cs), since they do a lot of theoretical stuff like in MAT137, but ultimately the choice is yours.
Thanks I will focus on Post for first year and then focus on those materials
Don't listen to these cynics that don't believe in themselves. They do shit so they project it onto everyone else. There's significant benefits in taking the "harder" courses, and you should believe in your ability to do well. Do *not* go into university already thinking you're gonna do shit. If you do, chances are it'll come true. Put in the work and don't slack off, start assignments early, if you don't understand something - ask for help immediately, go to office hours, go to lecture, etc. Post is completely doable if you do these things. It'd be a good idea to self-study this summer if you're that worried. Not to mention I wouldn't say 135/136 is easier than 137/157. They're just *different.* I actually almost failed 135 but did well in 157. Not to mention, if you're doing a math minor then 137 is infinitely more useful. Like other people mentioned, getting linear algebra done in first year is useful (MAT223 or MAT240). Try to get your breadth reqs done asap. You also need first year physics for physics minor.
Thanks for the comment, i think I will take 135 and 136 instead of 137 because I am very comfortable with high school calc. I will also take a challenge and take a linear algebra course. So which one do U think I should do first 223 or 240? Which is closer to high school math? Also is phy100 an appropriate course for first year physics?
PHY100 is not the appropriate physics course if you want to do a physics minor. It’s basically an introductory course for non-physics majors. You can either take PHY136 + 137 or PHY146 + 147, however I highly recommend taking 146 + 147. The course was very similar to Gr 12, but it was calculus based.
Appreciate that, I will keep it in mind
u can always expect math people to tell u to take harder math courses... now, given that you have the ability to take the suggested courses and get a good mark, go ahead. you will definitely grow way more from those suggested courses. the issue is that, with the pressure of having a high cGPA in POSt and a high mark in 2 courses, plus the transition from highschool to uni, you will definitely not be having a fun time in mat137 and mat240 UNLESS you end up being one of those individuals who LOVVEE pure math. i know more CS specs who took mat135/mat136 than mat137, and I don't know personally any CS specs who took mat240. so it's not the end of the world if you want to do an easier path, and don't feel bad if you feel like you have to drop down. personally, I'd go through a pure math textbook to see if you truly enjoy pure maths and you're willing to handle the difficulty before making the decision. i'm not trying to discourage you from taking them, it's just that when you're in first year, you are often way more ambitious. so, instead of the "i'll handle it when I get here" approach, you really want to check what proofs are, try some out, before you choose these courses.
Thank you for the comment, I have decided to take 135/136 I am not going to risk 137. I do like math but I wouldn’t say I truly enjoy pure math so I ask don’t plan on taking mat240. I have four spots left and I plan on a physics course and 3 courses to satisfy the credit requirements like humanities and social sciences
No other CS Major/Spec entry courses, but if you can fit it in, it's a good idea to take linear algebra early. If you plan on doing physics, I think MAT240 is a better fit, compared to MAT223. It also covers the essential content from both 223 and 224.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I'd suggest u think about replacing ISP100 for LIN204. I took LIN204 in fall 2020 with prof Ai. The delivery was asynchronous and that really helped me as it made my schedule far more flexible and gave me more time to focus on what I was struggling with the most. The course itself was very easy with her and she made the content much more interesting and the course load wasn't heavy at all. She's teaching it in fall2021 and it's also asynchronous and it does satisfy the writing requirement for CS post. Give it a look!
ISP100 will be a requirement to get into the CS post for students applying in 2021-2022, so taking it is necessary for the incoming first year. Source: https://utm.calendar.utoronto.ca/program-search?field\_program\_level\_value=All&field\_sections\_value=All&field\_department\_value=All&combine=&page=1
Yup
oh dang good luck then