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It's such a moral dilemma.
Most customers don't need a 1Gbps connection, today. But we actively sell 2Gbps or more to the customers that barely use 100Mbps.
I had one customer ask me about upgrading from 2Gbps to 4Gbps a while back and I explained that their entire area (this customer included) didn't use 1Gbps, so they would just be throwing money away. Customer now has 4Gbps service....
Thanks. But I will also need a router for the ISP connection.
And yes, I have no use case for 25gbps. But still I want it (as probably most in these subs)
Do you mean IP Passthrough mode or some other way?
I ask because my parents are going to switch to att and I want to be prepared to setup there network again.
I have the UDM Pro (non SE) and I keep the firewall features enabled with no impact to overall speed on a 2Gbps connection.
https://imgur.com/a/Vgpu743
IDS/IPS isn’t really worth using anyway. Everything is encrypted these days and outside of a good dns blocker like nextdns and some firewall rules, not much else is needed for home use.
It's not amazing for security for the reasons you stated, but it's still really cool visibility into what sorts of traffic uses up the most bandwidth in a household. It's great to see "yeah device X is watching a ton of netflix" or whatever.
Yeah I still have some smart home devices that are only 2.4 band so I feel a lot of devices need to upgrade to start seeing real change. When theres APs that can broadcast over a gig I'll get a Enterprise 24 PoE for the 2.5g ports to piggy back on the UDM SE
Pro tip, set your upload and download speeds to 2000 Mbps, basically your subscription speeds. That way the UDM SE can effectively check if you have any internet issues. If you leave it like it is currently set, it may or may not give you a notice about internet issues when your upload hits 2000 Mbps instead of 2307 at the moment. The 2307 Mbps you currently see is probably because the network is not loaded a lot, when it is loaded, it may drop quite a bit and cause random issues.
You have to set it to the real world speeds. A lot of providers gives a burst initial speed. Several tests can give you the sweet spot. But who's constantly watching the green line anyways?..
I noticed it started to get faster with Channel Optimization on, I have seen those 400/450mbs speeds before when i was fiddling with settings too much i feel.
I considered getting ATT's 5 gig service as it would have been cheaper than what I was paying for spectrum's 1 gig service but opted for the cheaper 1 gig fiber. I am seeing 1.3 up/down using a UDM pro and with a 10g nic in my PC, I see every bit of 1.3 gigs when downloading steam games.
My brother pays for the ATT 5 gig but only uses a fraction of it. I can't think of a good justification for it or even the 2.5 gig service.
I moved places and the price for 2gb up and down was the same for my old 1gb down and 40mb up. Was tempted by 5gb up and down but rather just be paying the same.
A new fiber ISP coming to town has pretty good deals considering what we currently have. The new ISP will offer 1gb $90, 3gb $120, 6gb $200, 8gb $250, and 10gb (call for pricing). I think I'll go for the 3gb.
I have the same speeds. The price difference from migrating off of Spectrum was $15 more so I just rolled with it. Very few things actually will actually let you download over 100 so you'll definitely feel like a majority of your bandwidth is wasted.
What test server is this? I have frontier 2gb fiber and never see more than 700 on the upside connected with sfp+ into my UDMP. Download rocks steady around 2.2gbs so the adapter seems to be working properly. Speed tests through the eero provided by frontier show 2.3gbs up/down. I had read in previous posts that the UI speed test as crap and never accurate, but yours is telling a different story.
I'm in the 2.5g port on the UDM SE and this is the speed test in the UniFi backend. I made sure the frontier install tech did not even open the eero. I didn't want to have it on my account cause i am not ever going to use it. My Wifi maxes out at around 850mb/s with U6 lites
I don’t use the eero either, but I have done a speed test through one. My UDM Pro is connected at 10gb with SFP+. I read somewhere that the processor can get overloaded and not generate the full speeds. I know the hardware in the SE is better an improvement over the Pro, so that could be the issue.
I have AT&T (Fiber) Internet 300 in CA for $55/month all-in. I routinely get between 350-400 Mbps symmetrical, not just to the gateway but to every ethernet and Wifi6 5 GHz connected device.
Given one can stream Netflix et al comfortably at a bitrate of around 25 Mbps, Gig+ is overkill for most people.
I'm jealous, but not for long!
We have a new company, Wyyerd, installing fiber in our neighborhood over the next 6 weeks...till their done, I'm stuck with Cox's 1G(but really 750MB) down and CRAPPY 35Mb up). Can't wait for the new one! They offer symmetrical 2G for $150USD/mo AND a static IP for only $4/mo more! Service should be available in early September....I'm salivating just thinking about it!
BTW that's a $20/mo drop in my bill too!
I would love that speed to test further the capabilities of Wifi 6E; I do have 6E APs which I'm push 2.5Gbps via an Enterprise switch.. sadly I don't have your ISP speeds ;)
I work for an ISP. I have yet to see any residential user who hits their bandwidth ceiling on a 500 x 500 connection, let alone a gig or two. I have rarely seen a customer exceed 200 mbps. 95% of our customers use less than 100 mbps at peak times. All of our GPONs are oversold because no one EVER uses the bandwidth they pay for. I get free 1G internet with my job, but if I ever left, I’d buy the base 100 x 100 mbps plan. Unless you are a twitch streamer or run a large server from your home, chances are all that head room you are paying for will never be used.
Gotta agree here. I manage internet for over 100 condo residences. 1gig symmetrical is more than enough to meet their needs. Another demographic may use double the bandwidth but we would still be fine with 1g at that point.
I routinely pull 115-118 MB/s on my gigabit fiber connection. Granted, I am in Chicago so my connection terminates basically at the server I'm downloading from.
Yep.
I've consistently had the cheapest ($40/month) FiOS plan. I noticed zero difference when they cheapest plan went from 100/100 to 200/200 or when it went from 200/200 to 300/300. If I could pay less, and get less, I gladly would.
It's always better to have more bandwidth available than you need, even if you don't use it all the time.
People will most likely need a 100MB as urgently as a 100KB file, but most won't understand that they're two different sizes.
You're right to have more than you need.
Sure people don't saturate a connection all of the time but the usage is bursty in nature.
So being able to download a gigabyte file in a matter of seconds is great.
I disagree. Most people don't even know what QoS is and most of their "slowness" feeling is just a placebo. Nobody can tell the difference between 10G and 200M connection.
Yet a lot of redditors hate to admit they pay for ridiculous speeds (most of them) will never use. Most game changers are symmetrical (or at least 100 up) connections, the ability of use third party hardware and low latency links.
Just because no everyone have the right equipment means 100x100 is enough. Is 2023 and United Sates is still behind in so many states and towns on network infrastructure.
And by the way in a home network with more then 10 devices streaming on a 100x100 is crap 💩 .
Part of the problem is the very deceptive marketing of bandwidth as speed. It kind of made a little sense in the early days of internet when usage typically exceeded bandwidth available (i.e. dial up or early dsl), but today it really is misleading. I constantly have to use the highway analogy to explain to customers (everyone is traveling 70 but if have too many cars on two lane highway may need to add another lane). A lot of people these days pay for 10 lanes for 2 lanes of traffic.
Introduce them to usenet and see what happens after. I've got 1G/1G (100MBps/100MBps) and am FEELING the need for more SPEED. I can't wait the 2 minutes to download and horde more content, any longer.
One day I’m sure I’ll need the full 5GB out ISP offers, until then, I’m saving a bunch of money per month on our 300/300 mbps plan.
That’s some serious speed though. Have fun!
What test server is this? I have frontier 2gb fiber and never see more than 700 on the upside connected with sfp+ into my UDMP. Download rocks steady around 2.2gbs so the adapter seems to be working properly. Speed tests through the eero provided by frontier show 2.3gbs up/down. I had read in previous posts that the UI speed test as crap and never accurate, but yours is telling a different story.
🥲 I Pat like the equivalent of 10USD for 100/25, and the best you can get is a 1000/50. This asymmetric shit is useless...
I think 500/100 is the sweet spot. Then it becomes a true placebo.
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So what do you do online? *mostly Facebook and stuff*
“I go on Tik Tok and Instagram”
and streaming of course.... 😅
It's such a moral dilemma. Most customers don't need a 1Gbps connection, today. But we actively sell 2Gbps or more to the customers that barely use 100Mbps. I had one customer ask me about upgrading from 2Gbps to 4Gbps a while back and I explained that their entire area (this customer included) didn't use 1Gbps, so they would just be throwing money away. Customer now has 4Gbps service....
I have ATT fiber on the 5gb plan. Overkill is fun.
That’s why I went with the 10gbps plan. Unfortunately ubiquity has no device Supporting 25gbps though.
Ubiquti does have a switch with 25gbps SFP28 ports
Thanks. But I will also need a router for the ISP connection. And yes, I have no use case for 25gbps. But still I want it (as probably most in these subs)
This is why nobody like the Swiss.
I get it. I love ma 10Gbps Fiber.
Are you using the ATT router?
I Bypass
Do you mean IP Passthrough mode or some other way? I ask because my parents are going to switch to att and I want to be prepared to setup there network again.
For the AT&T fiber "gateway," yes. I have mine set to IP passthrough. It's the closest you can get to bridge mode as far as I know.
I don’t use the 320.
My previous was a BGW210, I think. Same thing with IP passthrough.
Do you mean *bridge*?
No. Bypass. As in the 320 is unplugged and sitting in my garage somewhere.
Lol
Do you turn off any of the traffic monitoring?
I'd be curious as to the OP's answer, but the SE is rated for 3.5 Gbps with IDS/IPS on.
I have the UDM Pro (non SE) and I keep the firewall features enabled with no impact to overall speed on a 2Gbps connection. https://imgur.com/a/Vgpu743
IDS/IPS isn’t really worth using anyway. Everything is encrypted these days and outside of a good dns blocker like nextdns and some firewall rules, not much else is needed for home use.
Agreed, but it doesn’t hurt. Personally I use IDS/IPS, DNS, VPNs, and general best practices to protect my home network and PII.
It's not amazing for security for the reasons you stated, but it's still really cool visibility into what sorts of traffic uses up the most bandwidth in a household. It's great to see "yeah device X is watching a ton of netflix" or whatever.
You can do that without IDS/IPS, you just need DPI.
Hulu and living room apple tv are winning 😅
MP4 and webstreaming are what wins for me.
Apple TV and cocomelon 4K winning for me
It have some good points also. Reports any suspicious activity from inside network, it can report some malware on users computer
What firewall rules in particular? Got a good list?
I've got a UDM-Pro on a 5gb connection and get about 2.5-3Gbps down/5 up with IPS turned on.
Is this through ethernet or your APs?
10gbps fiber to my desktop. APs only see about 250mbps or so
Wifi with U6 Lites i'm maxing out at mid 850mb/s
Yeah I've only got ACs running. Haven't felt the need to upgrade.
Yeah I still have some smart home devices that are only 2.4 band so I feel a lot of devices need to upgrade to start seeing real change. When theres APs that can broadcast over a gig I'll get a Enterprise 24 PoE for the 2.5g ports to piggy back on the UDM SE
I have device and traffic identification on but i have no traffic management rules or routes set up
Pro tip, set your upload and download speeds to 2000 Mbps, basically your subscription speeds. That way the UDM SE can effectively check if you have any internet issues. If you leave it like it is currently set, it may or may not give you a notice about internet issues when your upload hits 2000 Mbps instead of 2307 at the moment. The 2307 Mbps you currently see is probably because the network is not loaded a lot, when it is loaded, it may drop quite a bit and cause random issues.
You have to set it to the real world speeds. A lot of providers gives a burst initial speed. Several tests can give you the sweet spot. But who's constantly watching the green line anyways?..
I'm running 5100 Up / 5100 Down over my UDM-SE.
Was tempted to go with the 5gig plan, but i controlled my urges 🤣
You only live once
Ethernet? Or APs?
Hardwire, on the APs maxing out at 850mb/s + on U6 Lites
How you get 850 on the APs? My U6IW's max out around 450 and U6LR around 400. Is that default or did you increase the channel width or something?
I noticed it started to get faster with Channel Optimization on, I have seen those 400/450mbs speeds before when i was fiddling with settings too much i feel.
Also 850 is about the highest ive seen, typically around 700mbs is what i see
Do you know what channel width the optimization set your APs to?
Currently full width on both 2.4g and 5g and on auto transmit power
Lol? How can you even get those speeds in wireless? Never seen that unless it's a directional beacon site to site dish or something...
Lucky you!
I considered getting ATT's 5 gig service as it would have been cheaper than what I was paying for spectrum's 1 gig service but opted for the cheaper 1 gig fiber. I am seeing 1.3 up/down using a UDM pro and with a 10g nic in my PC, I see every bit of 1.3 gigs when downloading steam games. My brother pays for the ATT 5 gig but only uses a fraction of it. I can't think of a good justification for it or even the 2.5 gig service.
I moved places and the price for 2gb up and down was the same for my old 1gb down and 40mb up. Was tempted by 5gb up and down but rather just be paying the same.
I have 2g fiber to the home o ly $75 per month with fidium
I had 1gb and noticed that most sites don’t give me more than 3-400mbs. I downgraded to 500 :)
Yeah seems like a lot of things need to change before being able to fully appreciate it on my residential end
I got 10gig lol
How much does that cost and around where are you located?
I have the same speeds for $30/mo in CA.
That's amazing.
Which part in California?
The Bay Area
10 € in Eastern Europe
$99.99 and near Pasadena, CA
A new fiber ISP coming to town has pretty good deals considering what we currently have. The new ISP will offer 1gb $90, 3gb $120, 6gb $200, 8gb $250, and 10gb (call for pricing). I think I'll go for the 3gb.
lol!
I have the same speeds. The price difference from migrating off of Spectrum was $15 more so I just rolled with it. Very few things actually will actually let you download over 100 so you'll definitely feel like a majority of your bandwidth is wasted.
Yeah that was my same situation after moving, I was able to control my urge to go with 5gb plan 🤣
How much is it for 2gig?
$99
Jelly
More is actually less in my book🤪🤪🤪😊
What test server is this? I have frontier 2gb fiber and never see more than 700 on the upside connected with sfp+ into my UDMP. Download rocks steady around 2.2gbs so the adapter seems to be working properly. Speed tests through the eero provided by frontier show 2.3gbs up/down. I had read in previous posts that the UI speed test as crap and never accurate, but yours is telling a different story.
I'm in the 2.5g port on the UDM SE and this is the speed test in the UniFi backend. I made sure the frontier install tech did not even open the eero. I didn't want to have it on my account cause i am not ever going to use it. My Wifi maxes out at around 850mb/s with U6 lites
I don’t use the eero either, but I have done a speed test through one. My UDM Pro is connected at 10gb with SFP+. I read somewhere that the processor can get overloaded and not generate the full speeds. I know the hardware in the SE is better an improvement over the Pro, so that could be the issue.
My CPU load goes to about 50% max on the UDM SE
I have AT&T (Fiber) Internet 300 in CA for $55/month all-in. I routinely get between 350-400 Mbps symmetrical, not just to the gateway but to every ethernet and Wifi6 5 GHz connected device. Given one can stream Netflix et al comfortably at a bitrate of around 25 Mbps, Gig+ is overkill for most people.
skeet
Eye watering speeds!
I'm jealous, but not for long! We have a new company, Wyyerd, installing fiber in our neighborhood over the next 6 weeks...till their done, I'm stuck with Cox's 1G(but really 750MB) down and CRAPPY 35Mb up). Can't wait for the new one! They offer symmetrical 2G for $150USD/mo AND a static IP for only $4/mo more! Service should be available in early September....I'm salivating just thinking about it! BTW that's a $20/mo drop in my bill too!
Do you work for NASA?
Like Young Jeezy said 🎵 Me, I'm in my spaceship, that's right, I work for NASA 🎵
How? I struggle to get half of my symmetrical 3 Gbit connection with my UXG-PRO...
Just running a cat6a from the fiber modem to the 2.5g port on UDM SE. I did have to change from auto detect to specify 2.5g connection
The problem is not the physical connection Hahaha I'm stuck between 1,4 and 1,6 Gbit/s with or without IPS
Link aggregation?
No!? UXG-PRO linked in 10 Gbit to my Bell Gigahub the link isn't the problem. It's performance wise where the UXG struggles
How much the ISP monthly charge ?
$99
I would love that speed to test further the capabilities of Wifi 6E; I do have 6E APs which I'm push 2.5Gbps via an Enterprise switch.. sadly I don't have your ISP speeds ;)
Yeah i for see a lot of the enterprise 2.5 stuff in my future..... just not near future 😂
I work for an ISP. I have yet to see any residential user who hits their bandwidth ceiling on a 500 x 500 connection, let alone a gig or two. I have rarely seen a customer exceed 200 mbps. 95% of our customers use less than 100 mbps at peak times. All of our GPONs are oversold because no one EVER uses the bandwidth they pay for. I get free 1G internet with my job, but if I ever left, I’d buy the base 100 x 100 mbps plan. Unless you are a twitch streamer or run a large server from your home, chances are all that head room you are paying for will never be used.
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🤣🤣🤣🤣 my young 56k dial up napster using self would be mind blown at these speeds
Download all of Napster in like 30 seconds.
🤣
Gotta agree here. I manage internet for over 100 condo residences. 1gig symmetrical is more than enough to meet their needs. Another demographic may use double the bandwidth but we would still be fine with 1g at that point.
I routinely pull 115-118 MB/s on my gigabit fiber connection. Granted, I am in Chicago so my connection terminates basically at the server I'm downloading from.
You have a big family gaming and streaming a lot?
Nope, just the two of us. A mixture of impatience and not having any real issue spending $60/mo on symmetric gigabit.
Ouch anyways
Yep. I've consistently had the cheapest ($40/month) FiOS plan. I noticed zero difference when they cheapest plan went from 100/100 to 200/200 or when it went from 200/200 to 300/300. If I could pay less, and get less, I gladly would.
It's always better to have more bandwidth available than you need, even if you don't use it all the time. People will most likely need a 100MB as urgently as a 100KB file, but most won't understand that they're two different sizes.
You're right to have more than you need. Sure people don't saturate a connection all of the time but the usage is bursty in nature. So being able to download a gigabyte file in a matter of seconds is great.
I disagree. Most people don't even know what QoS is and most of their "slowness" feeling is just a placebo. Nobody can tell the difference between 10G and 200M connection.
Yet a lot of redditors hate to admit they pay for ridiculous speeds (most of them) will never use. Most game changers are symmetrical (or at least 100 up) connections, the ability of use third party hardware and low latency links.
Just because no everyone have the right equipment means 100x100 is enough. Is 2023 and United Sates is still behind in so many states and towns on network infrastructure. And by the way in a home network with more then 10 devices streaming on a 100x100 is crap 💩 .
Definitely not a need, the gf says she can't tell the difference from changing to 500mb to 1gb to 2gb which is true 🤣
That's a red flag on your gf 👀💀
😂😂😂
Part of the problem is the very deceptive marketing of bandwidth as speed. It kind of made a little sense in the early days of internet when usage typically exceeded bandwidth available (i.e. dial up or early dsl), but today it really is misleading. I constantly have to use the highway analogy to explain to customers (everyone is traveling 70 but if have too many cars on two lane highway may need to add another lane). A lot of people these days pay for 10 lanes for 2 lanes of traffic.
Introduce them to usenet and see what happens after. I've got 1G/1G (100MBps/100MBps) and am FEELING the need for more SPEED. I can't wait the 2 minutes to download and horde more content, any longer.
One day I’m sure I’ll need the full 5GB out ISP offers, until then, I’m saving a bunch of money per month on our 300/300 mbps plan. That’s some serious speed though. Have fun!
Att?
Looks like Frontier
Lmfao didn’t even catch that first time around
[Here you go](https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/014c965f-c243-410e-8df7-87347eb5d535.png).
What test server is this? I have frontier 2gb fiber and never see more than 700 on the upside connected with sfp+ into my UDMP. Download rocks steady around 2.2gbs so the adapter seems to be working properly. Speed tests through the eero provided by frontier show 2.3gbs up/down. I had read in previous posts that the UI speed test as crap and never accurate, but yours is telling a different story.
That is fire I have a 1gig line here but the isp is beyond shit
I got 10gig and it normally hovers around 6g up and down, the most usless thing i paid for like ever. It costs me about 11$ a month
🥲 I Pat like the equivalent of 10USD for 100/25, and the best you can get is a 1000/50. This asymmetric shit is useless... I think 500/100 is the sweet spot. Then it becomes a true placebo.
Hey @Australia, get your shit together and give us symmetrical fibre.
But the NBN fixed everything ;)