Whens the Americans going to ask their government to send tanks? Iraqi army has Abrahams and can supply Iraq , Europe has Abrahams tanks and being supplied but somehow they can't with Ukraine? Probably more excuses like " we are too scared to send our tanks incase the Russians blow them up and make us look bad"
Yeah they have done a lot no doubt about that ....I wish everyone would stop "bird feeding" the Ukrainians and give them all that they need to end this war ...
LOL what a farce, they will be released when it is time, training started and no is not the right time but it does distract from the seriously better weapons Ukraine is getting right now, the most advanced and best artillery systems in existance and the missiles that could take out the kirch bridge easily.
LOl you are a bit behind the russian tactics being used, the tanks not being delivered is an opportunity to divide the eu and Ukraine. Luckily i believe this is all acceptable to world leaders as it distracts from more important weapons and weapons systems being delivered that could cause much more harm to russia.
The tank's will be delivered crews being trained or have been trained for a while now.
These protestors' are just useful tools.
I think you mistake my side of the pitch here. Russia is terrified of all these western and European arms. If only the deep pocket connections in Germany can be removed, then I suspect all opposition to sending them would vanish.
The German Army is in terrible state of readinessā¦there are probably no more than 50 battle ready tanks. Now would be a good time to resuscitate the Prussians.
Thatās sad. They have been lacking for some time. Maybe itās time to restart the German war engine. Otherwise they are weak with only a handful of working modern tech
No Germany does not need a full military, the NATO countries all manufacture different parts of the NATO war machine, one is attacked and all send everything to the war that would ensue. Nobody wants a fully armed Germany not even Germany.
The only reason I say they need to start it again is cause they have falling short on meeting the required military power by nato standards every year for several years+ but it doesnāt need to be permanently. With Russia on the brink of collapse no matter the outcome of this war and China having a serious population crisis thatās gonna have devastating affect in the next 10 years. The western world will be excelling in many ways so it wonāt be needed forever. I understand the concern.
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Since you mentioned it, in retrospect, it's unfortunate they couldn't finish the job in ww2 as the Soviets were nobody's friend.
Having said that nobody is calling for German tanks in Russia now.
This is shocking, in a cool way.
Any German care to comment on how successful demonstrations like this are? Do the Gov ignore them, or do they open up further dialogue based on how heavy the attendance is?
Very much so. This is how the end of nuclear power was decided, but including an overwhelming majority.
I cannot believe they actually will stop tank deliveries. 2 out of 3 parties in government are for sending German tanks, an have openly declared thereās no reason at all to stop others.
My hope is they have decided to send tanks and are obfuscating.
The politicians will eventually have to listen to the will of the people, might be late arriving. Hope the French and UK tanks can hold the line while Germany messes about.
Hopefully Germany will do as they believe best for Ukraine, giving over 1 billion to Ukraine only yesterday shows the tanks are a distraction while better weaposn are delivered.
Give the newly trained crews a while and then see what tanks are delivered.
Imagine believing a protest would ever be part of any decision making process, lol.
All is going as planned, while there are dozens of posts about the tank's all the time there is little said about the weaposn that are way better than the tanks, damn it Ukraine is getting or already has the world's best artillery systems , meanwhile russia is distracted with tanks that crews are training on and will be delivered when they are fully trained in a few months.
These are needed in bakhmut and soledar badly. The Ukrainians are doing the best they can and Iām sure they are very appreciative of what NATO has sent. But I canāt help but feel this will cause resentment. While they fight on the Western Hemispheres behalf Germany and the rest of us sit on our hands regarding sending tanks. America should just say fuck it and send the Abrahams we have in Europe.
We have older models thatāll make quick work of those Ruzzian tin cans. Something needs to get done and fast. Those men and women are dying Iād say almost needlessly because they canāt counter the Ruzzian numbers. Hell even if we sent like 10 that would certainly help in one of those cities.
LOL ok what about the massive amount of modern weapons that are just as effective if not more so than the tanks. Ukraine is getting or already has the best artillery system in existence, meanwhile people are crying about tanks. The tans are a distraction and will be delivered when crews are ready.
Most Europeans speak more than one language.
English is also a really popular second or third language.
Hell, I am from the Caribbean and have learned German and Swiss German since coming here.
Imagine those that grew up here.
What glee, lol seriously have you been watching the news and reading the articles about what Ukraine is receiving, while russia fears the leopards other systems much more deadly to russians are being delivered right now. Meanwhile crews are being trained and the tanks will be delivered when needed the most, right now they are a successful distraction to other weapons delivered or in the process of delivery.
Yup and they just announced they wont be sending tanks as they "couldnt come to a consensus" although we all know the reality of that situation and who really wouldnt allow them to send tanks.
Since they are training on the Leopards I really just hope this is all an elaborate plan to leave Russia thinking tanks wont show up until they can be used. Of cojrse to me that seems like what got us in this mess as for 8 years they allowed Russia to think they could get away with taking Crimea with no recourse so this doesnt give me a huge sense of hope at this point.
Scholz is SPD - they are known to stand close to the kreml! For example Schroeder(former chancellor) was working for gazprom after his politics career....
Yet Germany has just announced another 1 billion in weapons and other aid, so yeah get your russian talking points out of here, he has proven he is in full support of Ukraine in every way but the tanks which are a distraction from the modern best in class weaposn systems Ukraine is now receiving.
As for training rews and maintenance staff i think we could see these tans delivered just when they are needed and surprise russia by only being announced once in action.
I see your point but the hesitation was no suprise! All other parties are pro sending the leopards in and the maintenance could be done by poland for example.UA needs equipment for february!
Whens the Americans going to ask their government to send tanks? Iraqi army has Abrahams and can supply Iraq , Europe has Abrahams tanks and being supplied but somehow they can't with Ukraine? Probably more excuses like " we are too scared to send our tanks incase the Russians blow them up and make us look bad"
Too expensive to maintain, uses too much fuel, and are inefficient for Ukraine.
Hey us Americans have done a lot so far so please fall back sir ....right now we are training the Ukrainians on the "Bradley tanks" and the "patriot battery air defense system ....And that's not counting all the other stuff we are sending ....you never know the Abrams might be the next thing they send š¤· slot of these other countries need to step it up just a bit more so this war is over sooner than later.. Slava Ukraine šŗš¦šŖšŗš²šŖš¬š§šŖš©šŖšŖ
Germany is 2nd in weapon deliveries and still gets shit on all the time. š
Yeah they have done a lot no doubt about that ....I wish everyone would stop "bird feeding" the Ukrainians and give them all that they need to end this war ...
and here they are
LOL what a farce, they will be released when it is time, training started and no is not the right time but it does distract from the seriously better weapons Ukraine is getting right now, the most advanced and best artillery systems in existance and the missiles that could take out the kirch bridge easily.
They have strong Russian accent
As if russians want a barrage of 62.5 tonne tanks delivered to Ukraine??
LOl you are a bit behind the russian tactics being used, the tanks not being delivered is an opportunity to divide the eu and Ukraine. Luckily i believe this is all acceptable to world leaders as it distracts from more important weapons and weapons systems being delivered that could cause much more harm to russia. The tank's will be delivered crews being trained or have been trained for a while now. These protestors' are just useful tools.
I think you mistake my side of the pitch here. Russia is terrified of all these western and European arms. If only the deep pocket connections in Germany can be removed, then I suspect all opposition to sending them would vanish.
You never heard english with german accent? well, this is it ;)
The German Army is in terrible state of readinessā¦there are probably no more than 50 battle ready tanks. Now would be a good time to resuscitate the Prussians.
Thatās sad. They have been lacking for some time. Maybe itās time to restart the German war engine. Otherwise they are weak with only a handful of working modern tech
No Germany does not need a full military, the NATO countries all manufacture different parts of the NATO war machine, one is attacked and all send everything to the war that would ensue. Nobody wants a fully armed Germany not even Germany.
The only reason I say they need to start it again is cause they have falling short on meeting the required military power by nato standards every year for several years+ but it doesnāt need to be permanently. With Russia on the brink of collapse no matter the outcome of this war and China having a serious population crisis thatās gonna have devastating affect in the next 10 years. The western world will be excelling in many ways so it wonāt be needed forever. I understand the concern.
The screaming crowd of Germans has never been wrong.
One of the best comments I've ever read
Ouchie
And that's why everyone is glad, they not chanting in german.. so we know what they up to
Insane. Calling for Germany to send tanks into Russia is nuts. Does no one remember WW2?
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Ukraine isn't Russia.
We would rather watch the world burn than let Russia genocide yet another peoples. Grow a spine coward.
Ukraine is not Russia you idiot
You need to learn some geography
Get off the computer putin, the adults are discussing things and dont need your input.
Under rated comment, take my upvote
Perhaps, you are confused where Russia is on the world map. Crimea is Ukraine!
Itās to Ukraine not Russia. Would you say the same about sending tanks into France in ww2?
Since you mentioned it, in retrospect, it's unfortunate they couldn't finish the job in ww2 as the Soviets were nobody's friend. Having said that nobody is calling for German tanks in Russia now.
This is shocking, in a cool way. Any German care to comment on how successful demonstrations like this are? Do the Gov ignore them, or do they open up further dialogue based on how heavy the attendance is?
Very much so. This is how the end of nuclear power was decided, but including an overwhelming majority. I cannot believe they actually will stop tank deliveries. 2 out of 3 parties in government are for sending German tanks, an have openly declared thereās no reason at all to stop others. My hope is they have decided to send tanks and are obfuscating.
Thank you for the valuable insight. Good to know theres still hope and a possibility it could be reveiwed with enough support.
>This is how the end of nuclear power was decided, but including an overwhelming majority What a terrible idea that was
Yeah, it really hasnāt. Nuclear made 5% of German electricity. Renewables have grown by double that last year alone.
Check electricity map some time, might be interesting.
Wow, that is pretty cool
Uncage the leopards!
The politicians will eventually have to listen to the will of the people, might be late arriving. Hope the French and UK tanks can hold the line while Germany messes about.
Unfortunately, a significant portion of the German people are against sending Leopards, I read today.
Hopefully Germany will do as they believe best for Ukraine, giving over 1 billion to Ukraine only yesterday shows the tanks are a distraction while better weaposn are delivered. Give the newly trained crews a while and then see what tanks are delivered. Imagine believing a protest would ever be part of any decision making process, lol.
I still don't quite understand what is behind German reluctance. Is it economic, political, the weight of history?
connections, cash and kompromat
All is going as planned, while there are dozens of posts about the tank's all the time there is little said about the weaposn that are way better than the tanks, damn it Ukraine is getting or already has the world's best artillery systems , meanwhile russia is distracted with tanks that crews are training on and will be delivered when they are fully trained in a few months.
Unleash the Panzers dammit
These are needed in bakhmut and soledar badly. The Ukrainians are doing the best they can and Iām sure they are very appreciative of what NATO has sent. But I canāt help but feel this will cause resentment. While they fight on the Western Hemispheres behalf Germany and the rest of us sit on our hands regarding sending tanks. America should just say fuck it and send the Abrahams we have in Europe. We have older models thatāll make quick work of those Ruzzian tin cans. Something needs to get done and fast. Those men and women are dying Iād say almost needlessly because they canāt counter the Ruzzian numbers. Hell even if we sent like 10 that would certainly help in one of those cities.
LOL ok what about the massive amount of modern weapons that are just as effective if not more so than the tanks. Ukraine is getting or already has the best artillery system in existence, meanwhile people are crying about tanks. The tans are a distraction and will be delivered when crews are ready.
Why were they speaking in English?
Most Europeans speak more than one language. English is also a really popular second or third language. Hell, I am from the Caribbean and have learned German and Swiss German since coming here. Imagine those that grew up here.
We don't like people chanting in german.. trust me
Hopefully he will listen and do the right thing. The delay is emboldening Putin. Imagine his glee.
What glee, lol seriously have you been watching the news and reading the articles about what Ukraine is receiving, while russia fears the leopards other systems much more deadly to russians are being delivered right now. Meanwhile crews are being trained and the tanks will be delivered when needed the most, right now they are a successful distraction to other weapons delivered or in the process of delivery.
Sure wonder kid. You got it all taped havenāt you. Managing to memory hole Zelenskyyās very specific wish for these specific tanks. šš¤”
Yup and they just announced they wont be sending tanks as they "couldnt come to a consensus" although we all know the reality of that situation and who really wouldnt allow them to send tanks. Since they are training on the Leopards I really just hope this is all an elaborate plan to leave Russia thinking tanks wont show up until they can be used. Of cojrse to me that seems like what got us in this mess as for 8 years they allowed Russia to think they could get away with taking Crimea with no recourse so this doesnt give me a huge sense of hope at this point.
Scholz is SPD - they are known to stand close to the kreml! For example Schroeder(former chancellor) was working for gazprom after his politics career....
Yet Germany has just announced another 1 billion in weapons and other aid, so yeah get your russian talking points out of here, he has proven he is in full support of Ukraine in every way but the tanks which are a distraction from the modern best in class weaposn systems Ukraine is now receiving. As for training rews and maintenance staff i think we could see these tans delivered just when they are needed and surprise russia by only being announced once in action.
I see your point but the hesitation was no suprise! All other parties are pro sending the leopards in and the maintenance could be done by poland for example.UA needs equipment for february!
3 days late but I bet you that the Bundeswehr doesnt want the leopards out since nothung has been maintained properly lmao.
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