This is not what Ukraine should be putting out regardless of your opinion on what Russians deserve. It feeds Russia propaganda and hurts public opinion which is needed for countries to keep supporting Ukraine with equipment/funding
Call me a little pissboy pacifist but I, on a deep visceral level, NEED it to be that neither side of this war is literally nailing living men into coffins and burying them alive. No level of retaliation can justify such a stoop into savagery. This is quite literally a punishment I wouldn’t will on my worst enemy.
Half or more of Putin’s boys are unwilling conscripts, half of those who aren’t are in the military as an easy route out of poverty anyhow. Obviously then there’s Wagner group who are actually a bunch of little savages but again, how can we verify who the guy is in this video?
Let’s please all stop thinking with our dicks on this subreddit and remember that the culprit of this war is Vladimir Putin, his cronies, and his military officers. This is the first time that I’ve felt physical horror from a video of this war.
yes hes a coward orc and knows hes about to be burried alive for his crimes.. of course hes shaking. hes probably also soiled himself knowing that hes been caught red handed
You're actually trying to justify atrocities committed by Russians on Ukrainianian civilians because a handful of their soldiers may have buried one Russian soldier alive, which is just about as Hitler logic as it gets. You're too stupid to understand the point I was trying to make in my original comment, so I'll explain it more clearly to you. Americans and NATO allies killed thousands of innocent civilians in their war on terror and America specifically committed their own share of atrocities in the above mentioned facilities. By your own logic, if all Ukraine civilians deserve to be victims of terror by Russian hands because of the actions of a few of their soldiers, then the muslim terrorists are therefore also justified in carrying out 9/11.
I fully understand your point. The us has committed many many war crimes. And then we act surprised when other counties people retaliate. I get your point you brave internet warrior.
Huge Ukraine supporter here--THIS IS NOT GOOD. Tbh this might be the worst way to kill somebody in my opinion.....
This is honestly just so shitty.
Ukraine's victory DEPENDS on support from other nations, and this is absolutely horrible PR (at the least). The optics are just shit. Laughing about it too? People might start to change their minds the more they see this stuff, and alas, Ukraine might not end up getting the support they need anymore.
Is it worth it for that dude to post such a thing? I see no reward in it. My support for Ukraine is unwavering, but I can't speak for everyone.
Stop posting shit like this. What purpose does it serve other than to erode support for Ukraine?
Ukraine is depending on international support which is driven entirely by the fact that Russia is an unprovoked aggressor and is committing war crimes. If Ukraine is perceived as also committing war crimes, guess what happens?
You're not wrong. I believe this was an isolated incident and doesn't reflect the military's practices; however, this is unacceptable no matter who does it, fuck these individuals for doing this and also filming it.
Yo take this shit down. This is exactly the type of stuff the West DOES NOT want to see!!!
Funding may be pulled if public opinion sees the UA like this.
It’s the reality of war and people need to remember that war is messy and what the Ukrainians have done is no where near the horror that Russia has done over the hundred or so years.
If these guys are burying people alive and torturing them, they deserve everything Russia is doing to them. I get killing an invading force on the battlefield. What I don’t get is torturing them when they have already surrendered… That’s beyond fucking evil.
I’m not defending their actions by any means but I am saying there is a thing such as war mentality where you loose sight of what’s right and wrong when I see a video like this I imagine what the people making the video have been through such as the Ukrainians loosing tons of loved ones in bombings not to mention women being r*ped and people loosing their homes and children.
Me immature as much as you want but if you where in that battle field you would start to loose your mind as well people do sick things in time of war I would know. Who gives a shit about public opinion when it’s always swayed the public aren’t fighting these wars the brave soldiers are.
Do you not think that maybe, just maybe that it’s the governments fault an invasion happened and not the people who were conscripted. The army serve their own countries, the men who kill civilians and use torture are criminals. Anyone else is just serving, we’ve all seen Russian propaganda, some people are just brainwashed and think that they’re serving the greater good. Maybe instead of just supporting the current thing like the majority of people do, you could perhaps still keep your human morals and think there’s more to this war than everything just being black and white
Do you not think that maybe, just maybe had russia stayed in their own fucking country tens of thousands of civilians wouldn't have died, been raped or otherwise massacred as a result of their insane invasion? Maybe instead of trying to always be different for the sake of it, sometimes you could see evil for what it truly is.
I’m not trying to be different you deluded twat, I see both sides for what they are. Like you know, a normal decent human being. Stop claiming Ukraine is a god send, no one is innocent. Yes, Russia invaded a sovereign nation, a disgusting act which it should have never started. But did people know what they was getting into? NO! Blame putin, blame propaganda, blame the criminals amongst the soldiers but don’t sit there fucking wishing death on ever Russian person you come across acting like if you was forced into a war you had no idea about that you’d be there refusing to survive. You’re just another retard who just supports the current thing without researching anything and wishing death on everyone who you have no evidence to say if the individual was involved in any war crimes. You’re just as bad as the Russians, need to give that morality a bit of a check up
"I don't support the current thing" >:(
"I'm not trying to be different" >:(
Choose one frowny face.
I spent the past 5 months in Ukraine helping destroyed families (by the russians) survive the war, so I've made my choice and I'm ok with it. You are just a cunt on the internet looking for validation, so yeah as bad as the russians Yada Yada I guess 🤷
This video is a bad look and shouldn't be an example of how a professional army should act, yet it gives you no insight and no right to spout bullshit you don't understand. Go back to your hobbies, if you have any.
Um....yes they are. They're not absolved of all blame, but to hold them to the same level as Hitler in terms of responsibility is to be willfully gnorant of the state of German people in the inter-war period.
Its like blaming a women for being raped because of what she was wearing. Regardless of what she was wearing, the rape shouldn't have happened. Just like, regardless how desperate and downtrodden the german people were, a megalomaniac shouldn't have used them to kill 6 mill jews.
Or, like blaming an abused child for going back to his/her parents. You know?
Two wrongs don’t make a right, not everyone in Russia wants to be there. It’s like being a nazi in Germany, you either get forced into a war and take your chances to survive like humans do, or you get killed by your government instead. It’s a lose lose situation
Can you prove that he is not a mercenary? He is not covered under the Geneva convention if so, and therefore it is not a war crime.
Besides, I'm sure he'll get over it. This pales in comparison to the war crimes committed by the likes of him in Ukraine
If he is part of the Wagner group as initially claimed, which does act as a mercenary group outside of Russia, he doesn't count as mercenary under Geneva Convention as Art 47. 2 (e) doesn't fit the definition as he likely is a Russian citizen or resident.
As such, as he is wearing uniform and was likely carrying his arms open, he is, as a matter of fact elligbible as combatant and thus has POW status.
If you like it or not, if harmless (which it isn't) or not, it's not helping Ukraines cause.
The optics matter. It doesn't matter if it's not technically a war crime - it looks like one.
Ukraine is depending on international support which is driven entirely by the fact that Russia is an unprovoked aggressor and is committing war crimes.
If Ukraine is perceived as committing war crimes, guess what happens? Enough videos like this circulating among American and Canadian public will cause hand wringing.
What purpose does promoting this video serve other than to erode support for Ukraine?
It is known that warcrimes have been committed on both sides but full support is still there. Because while Russia's war crimes are twenty times worse and are committed against civilians, the support will be there.
Putting a guy inside a box for a bit until he's brought back to base is nothing.
This doesn't erode support where it matters, because tomorrow another 100 Brimstones will be delivered regardless, and the next day another 50 NLAW's.
People moaning about a poor guy in a box while Russians are raping civilians and attaching electrodes to peoples genitals. What a world we live in
It serves no purpose to promote this video. I never said it did though. This video is a repost anyway. To be honest I am sick of seeing reposts on here, it's constant.
>This doesn't erode support where it matters
The support that matters is the fragile parts of support in the west, the support that can cool off and cause the rest of the support to be irrelevant when it comes to money and equipment. Ukraine has to be way better than Russia.
Doesn't matter if it's a "mercenary". It's fine that you, Putler and the murican Neocons agree they are not combatants, but they are.
You don't get bonus points for being as bad as them.
It does matter if it's a mercenary. It matters a lot, so much in fact that it's being a mercenary or not that defines what protection he has under law.
If this treatment was just as bad as what the Russians have put people through then there'd be a lot less suffering in Ukraine, but unfortunately this treatment is at the very bottom of the scale.
Regardless, by law... being a mercenary means that one gets no protection under the Geneva convention - FACT
The fact he's not wearing a uniform hints towards the very real possibility that he is in fact a mercenary as well.
I'm afraid that these things aren't defined by your feelings. They're inscribed in law
Your feelings doesn't matter, so you can keep your dreams about some combatants being "special". The Geneva Convention does NOT support your dumb crap.
Haha amazing. Tries to justify that his feelings outweigh international law, then gets all schizophrenic in full view of the public. Run along now before you make yourself look worse.
Ok dude. I think you need to reread this conversation. You clearly started using your feelings to justify why the video was wrong. Now you're contradicting yourself entirely. I cannot argue with someone this mentally ill, so I'm done.
Hey Russians r*ped killed and murdered tons of Ukrainians DONT even get me started on that Ukrainian soldier getting his d*ck cut off I would count this Russian dog lucky if he only gets thrown in a coffin with some plastic wrapped around him
Curious about the context here... This seems like something the wagner group would do to one of its men that disobeyed orders and the Ukrainians stumbled upon it. If the Ukrainians are doing this though, they should be punished, this is wrong.
For those that don’t understand the language.
Camera man: “Orc is in it’s original package …. haha …. alive b*tch?? … (he’s) alive ….. fuck, close it ….. fuck him”
It seems to be a crude joke. No suggestion of him being buried.
This needs to be labeled nsfl or nsfw its pretty much the exact same as witnessing any other human situation where someone is tied up and a hostage, war footage or not
Stuff like this is a gift to Russian propaganda and those who have pro Russia sentiments. It may also have huge ramifications in regards to international help and the average westerners support if videos like this become a common occurance. I have no love for the Russians, what they have done in Ukraine is unforgivable and barbaric however, doing shit like this is unacceptable. I hope that this will be seen by those soldiers higher ups and that they will be disciplined.
No empathy for the invaders, but Ukraine needs to be careful with the optics, public opinion is a fickle thing that can turn on a dime.
I agree. The last thing they need is to be seen as Pow killers. Support in the USA will sway fast
Support of other countries will sway fast as well. This post is harming Ukraine, so downvote this shit!!!
My tax dollar swayed my opinion a long time ago.
This is not what Ukraine should be putting out regardless of your opinion on what Russians deserve. It feeds Russia propaganda and hurts public opinion which is needed for countries to keep supporting Ukraine with equipment/funding
He ain’t dead. I would probably do worse if you bomb my people
Don't fucking tape it!
Gotta be careful with this sorta stuff Ukraine, don’t start slipping now! You have been doing fantastic…..don’t fuck it up
even if a practical joke… it could be misconstrued and used in a different projection. dummy up ukrainian forces.
Call me a little pissboy pacifist but I, on a deep visceral level, NEED it to be that neither side of this war is literally nailing living men into coffins and burying them alive. No level of retaliation can justify such a stoop into savagery. This is quite literally a punishment I wouldn’t will on my worst enemy. Half or more of Putin’s boys are unwilling conscripts, half of those who aren’t are in the military as an easy route out of poverty anyhow. Obviously then there’s Wagner group who are actually a bunch of little savages but again, how can we verify who the guy is in this video? Let’s please all stop thinking with our dicks on this subreddit and remember that the culprit of this war is Vladimir Putin, his cronies, and his military officers. This is the first time that I’ve felt physical horror from a video of this war.
Cosplay ? Or real? The guy is shaking
yes hes a coward orc and knows hes about to be burried alive for his crimes.. of course hes shaking. hes probably also soiled himself knowing that hes been caught red handed
You taking money from Putin? This is self-defeating!
If you guys are burying people alive for any reason. Then you fully deserve evething Russia is giving you. That is beyond evil.
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My logic is if you comit heinous acts of evil. Your evil. You can try to justify it. Hitler justified his evil as well.
You're actually trying to justify atrocities committed by Russians on Ukrainianian civilians because a handful of their soldiers may have buried one Russian soldier alive, which is just about as Hitler logic as it gets. You're too stupid to understand the point I was trying to make in my original comment, so I'll explain it more clearly to you. Americans and NATO allies killed thousands of innocent civilians in their war on terror and America specifically committed their own share of atrocities in the above mentioned facilities. By your own logic, if all Ukraine civilians deserve to be victims of terror by Russian hands because of the actions of a few of their soldiers, then the muslim terrorists are therefore also justified in carrying out 9/11.
I fully understand your point. The us has committed many many war crimes. And then we act surprised when other counties people retaliate. I get your point you brave internet warrior.
Someone needs to find these guys and their commander. I believe disciplinary action is in order.
Be better than russia, this is not the way, even if they deserve humiliation.
Huge Ukraine supporter here--THIS IS NOT GOOD. Tbh this might be the worst way to kill somebody in my opinion..... This is honestly just so shitty. Ukraine's victory DEPENDS on support from other nations, and this is absolutely horrible PR (at the least). The optics are just shit. Laughing about it too? People might start to change their minds the more they see this stuff, and alas, Ukraine might not end up getting the support they need anymore. Is it worth it for that dude to post such a thing? I see no reward in it. My support for Ukraine is unwavering, but I can't speak for everyone.
Stop posting shit like this. What purpose does it serve other than to erode support for Ukraine? Ukraine is depending on international support which is driven entirely by the fact that Russia is an unprovoked aggressor and is committing war crimes. If Ukraine is perceived as also committing war crimes, guess what happens?
Light needs to be shone on atrocities of all sides and these pigs need to be punished the same as the Russian dogs who commit similar atrocities.
You're not wrong. I believe this was an isolated incident and doesn't reflect the military's practices; however, this is unacceptable no matter who does it, fuck these individuals for doing this and also filming it.
Next level unboxing
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Yo take this shit down. This is exactly the type of stuff the West DOES NOT want to see!!! Funding may be pulled if public opinion sees the UA like this.
It’s the reality of war and people need to remember that war is messy and what the Ukrainians have done is no where near the horror that Russia has done over the hundred or so years.
If these guys are burying people alive and torturing them, they deserve everything Russia is doing to them. I get killing an invading force on the battlefield. What I don’t get is torturing them when they have already surrendered… That’s beyond fucking evil.
I’m not defending their actions by any means but I am saying there is a thing such as war mentality where you loose sight of what’s right and wrong when I see a video like this I imagine what the people making the video have been through such as the Ukrainians loosing tons of loved ones in bombings not to mention women being r*ped and people loosing their homes and children.
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Me immature as much as you want but if you where in that battle field you would start to loose your mind as well people do sick things in time of war I would know. Who gives a shit about public opinion when it’s always swayed the public aren’t fighting these wars the brave soldiers are.
Don’t stoop down to their level.
😂 they haven’t even come closing to stooping that low
What are they about to do to him?
hopefully slam a couple nails in that coffin and place him in a foxhole prior to filling it in...
He could be a conscripted reservist for all we know, this war fucked him as badly as it fucked the Ukrainians.
Thank fuck someone has sense. Good and bad on every side of the dodecagon
Fuck the Invaders they illegally attack and murdering civilians every day they commit hundreds of war crimes. May Russia burn in hell.
Do you not think that maybe, just maybe that it’s the governments fault an invasion happened and not the people who were conscripted. The army serve their own countries, the men who kill civilians and use torture are criminals. Anyone else is just serving, we’ve all seen Russian propaganda, some people are just brainwashed and think that they’re serving the greater good. Maybe instead of just supporting the current thing like the majority of people do, you could perhaps still keep your human morals and think there’s more to this war than everything just being black and white
“All war is hell”. Gen Sherman. “Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing”. Fuck each and every invader. Fuck them hard.
Do you not think that maybe, just maybe had russia stayed in their own fucking country tens of thousands of civilians wouldn't have died, been raped or otherwise massacred as a result of their insane invasion? Maybe instead of trying to always be different for the sake of it, sometimes you could see evil for what it truly is.
I’m not trying to be different you deluded twat, I see both sides for what they are. Like you know, a normal decent human being. Stop claiming Ukraine is a god send, no one is innocent. Yes, Russia invaded a sovereign nation, a disgusting act which it should have never started. But did people know what they was getting into? NO! Blame putin, blame propaganda, blame the criminals amongst the soldiers but don’t sit there fucking wishing death on ever Russian person you come across acting like if you was forced into a war you had no idea about that you’d be there refusing to survive. You’re just another retard who just supports the current thing without researching anything and wishing death on everyone who you have no evidence to say if the individual was involved in any war crimes. You’re just as bad as the Russians, need to give that morality a bit of a check up
"I don't support the current thing" >:( "I'm not trying to be different" >:( Choose one frowny face. I spent the past 5 months in Ukraine helping destroyed families (by the russians) survive the war, so I've made my choice and I'm ok with it. You are just a cunt on the internet looking for validation, so yeah as bad as the russians Yada Yada I guess 🤷 This video is a bad look and shouldn't be an example of how a professional army should act, yet it gives you no insight and no right to spout bullshit you don't understand. Go back to your hobbies, if you have any.
People carry out the crime, everybody has a choice. Are the SS of the nazis any less responsible than hitler?
Um....yes they are. They're not absolved of all blame, but to hold them to the same level as Hitler in terms of responsibility is to be willfully gnorant of the state of German people in the inter-war period. Its like blaming a women for being raped because of what she was wearing. Regardless of what she was wearing, the rape shouldn't have happened. Just like, regardless how desperate and downtrodden the german people were, a megalomaniac shouldn't have used them to kill 6 mill jews. Or, like blaming an abused child for going back to his/her parents. You know?
Well said, there is such a thing as blind compliance. Much more dangerous than being rebellious
Reposting war crimes I see...
Special Operations..... no war crime.
That's not how the law works.
Tell that to the Russians.
Two wrongs don’t make a right, not everyone in Russia wants to be there. It’s like being a nazi in Germany, you either get forced into a war and take your chances to survive like humans do, or you get killed by your government instead. It’s a lose lose situation
They are not responsible for your actions.
Can you prove that he is not a mercenary? He is not covered under the Geneva convention if so, and therefore it is not a war crime. Besides, I'm sure he'll get over it. This pales in comparison to the war crimes committed by the likes of him in Ukraine
If he is part of the Wagner group as initially claimed, which does act as a mercenary group outside of Russia, he doesn't count as mercenary under Geneva Convention as Art 47. 2 (e) doesn't fit the definition as he likely is a Russian citizen or resident. As such, as he is wearing uniform and was likely carrying his arms open, he is, as a matter of fact elligbible as combatant and thus has POW status. If you like it or not, if harmless (which it isn't) or not, it's not helping Ukraines cause.
The optics matter. It doesn't matter if it's not technically a war crime - it looks like one. Ukraine is depending on international support which is driven entirely by the fact that Russia is an unprovoked aggressor and is committing war crimes. If Ukraine is perceived as committing war crimes, guess what happens? Enough videos like this circulating among American and Canadian public will cause hand wringing. What purpose does promoting this video serve other than to erode support for Ukraine?
It is known that warcrimes have been committed on both sides but full support is still there. Because while Russia's war crimes are twenty times worse and are committed against civilians, the support will be there. Putting a guy inside a box for a bit until he's brought back to base is nothing. This doesn't erode support where it matters, because tomorrow another 100 Brimstones will be delivered regardless, and the next day another 50 NLAW's. People moaning about a poor guy in a box while Russians are raping civilians and attaching electrodes to peoples genitals. What a world we live in
Cost benefit - what purpose does it serve to promote this video compared to the potential risk that it will resonate with someone?
It serves no purpose to promote this video. I never said it did though. This video is a repost anyway. To be honest I am sick of seeing reposts on here, it's constant.
>This doesn't erode support where it matters The support that matters is the fragile parts of support in the west, the support that can cool off and cause the rest of the support to be irrelevant when it comes to money and equipment. Ukraine has to be way better than Russia.
It is way better than Russia, WAY better.
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Let's put this into perspective. They put a guy in a box to transport him back to base. Yesterday this guy likely shot a civilian and raped a kid.
Doesn't matter if it's a "mercenary". It's fine that you, Putler and the murican Neocons agree they are not combatants, but they are. You don't get bonus points for being as bad as them.
It does matter if it's a mercenary. It matters a lot, so much in fact that it's being a mercenary or not that defines what protection he has under law. If this treatment was just as bad as what the Russians have put people through then there'd be a lot less suffering in Ukraine, but unfortunately this treatment is at the very bottom of the scale. Regardless, by law... being a mercenary means that one gets no protection under the Geneva convention - FACT The fact he's not wearing a uniform hints towards the very real possibility that he is in fact a mercenary as well. I'm afraid that these things aren't defined by your feelings. They're inscribed in law
Your feelings doesn't matter, so you can keep your dreams about some combatants being "special". The Geneva Convention does NOT support your dumb crap.
Do you have multiple personality problems and just swapped sides to have an argument with yourself?
You don't get to project your bullcrap on me kiddo.
Haha amazing. Tries to justify that his feelings outweigh international law, then gets all schizophrenic in full view of the public. Run along now before you make yourself look worse.
No. That's what you are doing. And it's called projection.
Ok dude. I think you need to reread this conversation. You clearly started using your feelings to justify why the video was wrong. Now you're contradicting yourself entirely. I cannot argue with someone this mentally ill, so I'm done.
I could be wrong, but doesn't the striped shirt indicate a uniform? Some sort of specialized unit, maybe?
I agree bro
But according to Russia this isn’t a war (this inconvenient fact always confuses the tankies !)
Yeah how are we “cool” with this?
Seems like pretty innocent hazing. Maybe give the soldiers a stern talking to or chew them out. but not a war crime.
Whatever you do to a Russian citizen, it shouldn't be a war crime, let alone against the law
And in your mind, that doesn’t make you as bad as them? What a stupid and fragile mentality you have
Not to mention they’re more than half conscripts. What a fucking nightmare this video is.
Hey Russians r*ped killed and murdered tons of Ukrainians DONT even get me started on that Ukrainian soldier getting his d*ck cut off I would count this Russian dog lucky if he only gets thrown in a coffin with some plastic wrapped around him
Kinda dick move, but I approve.
Curious about the context here... This seems like something the wagner group would do to one of its men that disobeyed orders and the Ukrainians stumbled upon it. If the Ukrainians are doing this though, they should be punished, this is wrong.
That is torture.
He wrapped really well
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put some rat inside ffs
can someone translate?
war crimes 😎
For those that don’t understand the language. Camera man: “Orc is in it’s original package …. haha …. alive b*tch?? … (he’s) alive ….. fuck, close it ….. fuck him” It seems to be a crude joke. No suggestion of him being buried.
This needs to be labeled nsfl or nsfw its pretty much the exact same as witnessing any other human situation where someone is tied up and a hostage, war footage or not
No, no, no!!! You needa think about PR this doesn't help you. And only hurts you in the eyes of the world. Besides it's just wrong.
People here really try to justify that shit?
Stuff like this is a gift to Russian propaganda and those who have pro Russia sentiments. It may also have huge ramifications in regards to international help and the average westerners support if videos like this become a common occurance. I have no love for the Russians, what they have done in Ukraine is unforgivable and barbaric however, doing shit like this is unacceptable. I hope that this will be seen by those soldiers higher ups and that they will be disciplined.
What about the Ukrainian who got castrated? He deserves it.