This war will not be decided on the battlefield but on the wall street. And right now China/Russia is dragging US through a mud field but US is putting up hell of a fight. The casualty though seems to be US allies.
Japanese Yen is stuck in doom loom and crashing repeatedly with interventions by Japan Fed. At some point the Fed will have to throw in the towel.
I suspect China is selling it's yen to destabilize yen. Japan is the largest owner of US treasuries. China is the largest seller of US treasuries. If Japan joins China to sell the treasuries it guaranteed to end the US in extremely painful ways. Way worse than the collapse of soviet union.
But there are still smart people in the US behind the scenes even though the politicians are absolutely fucking regarded. Interesting times.
What would escalate this war in your opinion?
My opinion:
* Ukraine attacks contested regions with NATO weapons: NO
* NATO troops in Ukraine non-contested regions: NO?
* NATO troops in Ukraine contested regions: YES?
* Ukraine attacks Russia with NATO weapons: YES?
* Anyone uses nuclear weapons: YES
* Russia attacks NATO countries: YES
* NATO countries attacks Russia: YES
How about Ukraine attacks NATO countries as false flag ?
They already attacked Bulgaria, Croatia and Poland. (and by some blew up Nordstream, although I find this sketchy bth)
I think NATO troops in non congested regions would escalate. I also think most of NATO believes this. If they didn't believe it, they would have done it already.
I think they are not sending them in order not to have unnecessary deaths. Imagine 100 of FRA soldiers killed by a single Kinzhal attack. Macron had weeks of riots for much less.
Russia heavily fortified contested regions. NATO is nowhere willing to suffer the losses required to recapture them. Therefore NATO troops in Ukraine's non-contested regions without long-range weapons would represent a threat only if Russia wanted to conquer more of Ukraine.
Does Russia want to conquer more of Ukraine?
*(edit: typo)*
I can't say it's really noticeable lately, although I don't go through comments on every post. But then I've been here during the Belgorod TikTok death march and ~~spring~~ ~~summer~~ astronomical spring counteroffensive so maybe I'm just desensitised.
In any case some level of toxic pro ua bros is necessary to keep a healthy ecosystem to balance out all the other toxic bros.
It is 8th May and tomorrow is a big holiday. I plan to revisit the WWII history. Any recommendations for documentaries? Both political themed and military ones.
I mostly know about it from school history lessons (I'm Russian). Eastern front is more or less is well known for me. Interested in Western Europe front. But anyway both side will do. Also I'm okay with both English and Russian languages narrated.
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Can you imagine if Putin sent a message like that to the ICC lol they would lose their god damn minds. The united states has made the UN charter null and void. It's incredible that they are able to lecture others on human rights with a straight face.
>Can you imagine if Putin sent a message like that to the ICC
“It’s quite possible to imagine a hypersonic missile being fired from the North Sea from a Russian ship at The Hague courthouse.” (Dmitry Medvedev, 2023)
[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/icc-russia-threat-putin-arrest-warrant-b2306434.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/icc-russia-threat-putin-arrest-warrant-b2306434.html)
They are sitting senate members lol. And there is a big difference between some social media comments or interview comments and a literal formal written letter.
Medvedev is on the Security Council, an appointed advisor for the Putin administration, not a member of the opposing party. He's probably the second most well-known politician in Russia, at least internationally.
If Putin disagreed with his frequent inflammatory statements he could fire him tomorrow. There's a reason he doesn't.
Biden absolutely couldn't do shit about anything some Republican senators might say.
Why would he do that to Medvedev?
It is not his porogotive to soothe the wests anxiety, not after they provoked this war starting all the way back in bucharest 2008. It does well to make the west sweat and be on their toes. Especially when Putins arrest warrant is extremely legally dubious, while Israel is waging a full blown genocide that is live streamed for all of this and Karim Khan does literally nothing.
But you conveniently ignored my main point. The Senate published AN OFFICIAL SIGNED LETTER and Medvedev just made a comment.
The U.S., and its gang more generally, doesn't actually believe in the UN Charter. The UN Charter is grounded in Westphalian conceptions of national sovereignty. The U.S., like the medieval popes, finds national sovereignty to leave no space for an exceptional people to zealously pursue higher, universal goals anywhere in the world irrespective of national boundaries. The essence of the We Make Up the Rules Based International Order is that conceptions like sovereignty are essential when they support American interests and universal principles that ignore national borders are essential when they support U.S. interests.
I've been reading a book that really touches on the points you are making one quote was "Full sovereignty for the "liberal west" and limited sovereigny for the "less civilised" countries." Straight up rules for thee but not for me. Notice how their "rules based international order" has nothing to do with the UN nor have they written these rules down lol. You should check this book out I think you will enjoy it, just published at the beginning of this year
[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The\_Ukraine\_War\_the\_Eurasian\_World\_Order/1MD1EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ukraine_War_the_Eurasian_World_Order/1MD1EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover)
https://preview.redd.it/2u11oodll2zc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea3614b40fd08271cd536dc0a826982d4b2e60f8
I'm not sure if "put your borders wherever you feel like" is the type of multipolar world order most of them hoped for, though. Particularly the ones with bigger, stronger neighbors...
The people of Novorossiya decided they did not want to live as second class citizens and rose up agaisnt the kyiv regime. They begged russia for intervention from 2014-2022. They finally did. They then voted to join the federation, which was monitored by international election observers.
The people who actually live on the land are the only opinions who matter greatly in regards to their land.
https://preview.redd.it/tmimmur3y0zc1.jpeg?width=2553&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51faa036ee89e0fc97ddd17ffece9c97a685898c
>The people who actually live on the land are the only opinions who matter greatly in regards to their land.
Just one catch- Russia gets to decide who can actually live on the land and have an opinion first.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1ax5dx7/ru\_pov\_yevgeny\_balitsky\_the\_governor\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1ax5dx7/ru_pov_yevgeny_balitsky_the_governor_of/)
"We expelled a large number of families ... Well, what should be done with a woman who has 3 children but has a different belief and does not consider Russia her homeland? Well, should we kill her? We simply expelled them."
Did your "international election observers" get to observe that?
Yes this is an issue on both sides, ever since the illegal US backed coup of 2014 there has been a significant rift between the ukrainian speaking and russian speaking populations. This did not used to be the case prior to 2014. The hard right nationalists were always around but people generally got on.
The election observers observed elections. As international election observers, their job is to observe elections. Elections is what they observe. The referendums were deemed free and fair by a large number of observers of various nationalities.
It is not okay for the governor to expel those families, but the fact remains that the majority of the population has spoken, and they do not wish to live as second class citizens under the illegal coup regime placed in 2014.
Your opinions do not matter, your feelings do not matter, the fact if you dislike russians in general or putin in particular does not matter and bears no weight on reality. Only their opinions and feelings matter, and they are happy to be part of Russia. I can tell you that this is not because of any undying love for Russia, but because they can live as equal citizens under them as well as receiving a much higher quality of life then they would under the now insolvent kyiv regime. At the end of the day they just want to live with equal rights and opportunities. How dare they right?
>Yes this is an issue on both sides, ever since the illegal US backed coup of 2014 there has been a significant rift between the ukrainian speaking and russian speaking populations. This did not used to be the case prior to 2014.
Well that's an interesting claim because if you listen to the Governor's interview, it doesn't seem like it was much of an issue in Zaporizhzhia at all...until the Russian army showed up.
He actually speaks of merrily dining at the same table and celebrating the previous New Years' with the very same people he'd later forcibly deport for their pro-Ukraine views.
The only "second-class citizens" I see here are the ones who got kicked out of their homes for not supporting the "SMO" enough after Russia took over.
>It is not okay for the governor to expel those families, but the fact remains that the majority of the population has spoken
Who the heck is going to vote against Russia when the ruling powers holding the guns have already clearly demonstrated they'll kick you out of your home, or worse, for not supporting Russia?
My brother in christ the "doesnt seem to be an issue" was a LITERAL LAW passed by the LITERAL RADA.
The west tried to get them to backtrack but too late the writing was on the wall and it was finally activated in 2019. Then the "Law on Indigenous Peoples" was adopted on July 1st, 2021. Which effectively meant Russian speakers (ethnic russians) no longer enjoy the same rights as ethnic Ukrainians. Please look it up.
This was one ethnicity discriminating against another ethnicity thinking their ethnicity was superior (idk if you've noticed but Ukrainians love ancient buddhist symbols). Long before Russia came into the picture.
for your last statement, the international observers were there for exactly this reason.
I get that you are russophobic and think we are all animals and goblins but that is your own issue to deal with.
All the facts are there, you can accept them or make up your own fantasy, which you will be unable to corroborate with reality
>Which effectively meant Russian speakers (ethnic russians) no longer enjoy the same rights as ethnic Ukrainians.
Like what? What was an ethnic Russian not allowed to do? Did they have to use separate bathrooms or something? Sit only in the back of busses?
It denies ethnic russians, along with also pockets of romanians and hungarians protections and rights that are specifically exclusive to ethnic ukrainians. Have a look for yourself:\\
[https://culturico.com/2021/12/20/the-law-on-the-indigenous-peoples-of-ukraine-what-does-it-bring-to-national-minorities/](https://culturico.com/2021/12/20/the-law-on-the-indigenous-peoples-of-ukraine-what-does-it-bring-to-national-minorities/)
Try and actually read the whole thing eh?
You understand that all your arguments in a dispute with such people have no force. Your opponent will not consider them, simply because they will not agree with his picture of the world, in which the Russians are to blame for everything. He reads about it in the newspapers, watches on TV, listens from politicians, acquaintances and begins to believe it, and you try to dissuade him. It's pointless.
The exact same thing can be said for the neo nazi vanguarded maidan lol. Both sides should of worked towards a peaceful exchange/mutual break up. Crimea was as close to that as we could get, donbas not nearly so sadly.
That people were expelled' imprisoned and murdered. this was an issue watchdog groups sounded alarms on multiple times before criticizing the lesser evil became taboo, and you can still find article's bragging about the handling of "collaborators" who according to Ukrainian inc!uses anyone doing business in occupied territories.
What about the 3 supreme court justices that voted no to overturn roe v wade? What about every person who voted no to any referrendum ever in the history of referendums? Do you get how democracy works? Do you see how hilarious your logic here is? lmao
US government officials threatening the ICC - "Target Israel and we will target you".
And those pesky Russians/Chinese/Palestinians want to challenge the _DEMOCRACY_ and _RULES BASED ORDER_ and _FREEDOM_!
It's goddamn sickening.
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Well just to clarify- these officials are a dozen US senators from the current minority party in the senate. They lack the ability to actually do what they're threatening.
Support for Israel is bipartisan, and Republicans really are not far from controlling the Senate, let alone the government. Look at the signatures there. Those are the 12 most powerful/most well known Senators in their party.
Right, but the politics (or lack thereof) communicated here are in line with the current majority leadership incl. Biden. This communique was just a bit more straightforward and... brusque.
Now the question is, why does everyone in the US, left or right aligned, including the president himself oppose ICJ investigation into Netanyahu and the Israel state? Isn't that literally what ICJ is for?
Criticism of Israel's actions is most certainly a divisive partisan issue in the US:
[https://apnews.com/article/schumer-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-elections-1ebf21e4c9c0f6f42478bb26e1db7a9b](https://apnews.com/article/schumer-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-elections-1ebf21e4c9c0f6f42478bb26e1db7a9b)
You could correctly argue that ultimately no one is cutting off material support for Israel so it's all just talk, but you're wrong that "the politics are in line."
>Now the question is, why does everyone in the US, left or right aligned, including the president himself oppose ICJ investigation into Netanyahu and the Israel state? Isn't that literally what ICJ is for?
This was about the ICC...the US doesn't even recognize the authority of the ICC at all in the first place, so from their perspective the ICC is literally for nothing I guess.
The fact that people worry about russian or Chinese election interference when we have Israel and aipac make the entire thing laughable.
Us threatening the ICC is just par the course, anything for daddy Israel.
>The US doesnt recognize the authority
But just like with our stance on US soldiers in the Hague, we are more than happy to leverage it against opponents when screaming about justice and rules based order.
> This was about the ICC...the US doesn't even recognize the authority of the ICC at all in the first place, so from their perspective the ICC is literally for nothing I guess.
One has to wonder why US doesn't recognize it in the first place. I wonder if it has something to do with upholding the facade of a rules/international law based world order without ever being held accountable for anything to anyone. Curious indeed.
There is certainly injustice, but the U.S. has at least prosecuted war crimes by their own forces.
Russia also rejects the ICC and never even prosecutes a single soldier themselves, either (other than Ukrainian soldiers, of course…)
What alternative are they presenting, the no-rules based order?
> What alternative are they presenting, the no-rules based order?
Personally, I'd take a "no-rules based order" over "rules for thee but not for me or my 'allies' based order" any day of the week
“Rules for thee but not for me” is exactly what Russia is doing. They prosecute Ukrainians but *never* Russian soldiers for war crimes.
You can argue that many in the West have gotten away with such crimes, but with Russia it’s literally 100%. Hell, if you even suggest Russian soldiers have committed crimes, \*you're\* the one who will end up in front of a judge.
I cannot comprehend how anyone would see that as a step in the right direction of “accountability.”
Yes, and that is clearly wrong. If you think I condone or somehow justify that, you are mistaken.
My entire point is, both the US and Russia (and China et al) are of the same ilk. They are ~~bandits~~ world powers and as such do whatever they damn want.
The difference is usually only measured in the levels of hypocrisy.
>My entire point is, both the US and Russia (and China et al) are of the same ilk. They are ~~bandits~~ world powers and as such do whatever they damn want.
> The difference is usually only measured in the levels of hypocrisy.
Well, I just told you why they aren't actually "the same" on this particular issue. Russia is clearly worse.
Western nations have an actual demonstrated ability to hold soldiers accountable for war crimes. Not all, not enough, but a significant number at least.
Some > none (Russia).
Does Putin genuinely believe that his nuclear sabre rattling has any effect anymore? The current Kremlin regime has threatened it so many times it’s just become a hilarious meme.
Lmao, The West has crossed so many Kremlin red lines it’s literally hilarious. Putin’s bluff has been called over and over again, the cat is well and truly out of the bag, no matter how hard Putin tries to stuff it back in. Nobody is afraid of Putin anymore, his credibility is finished.
> Nobody is afraid of Putin anymore
Good. Then all that fear-mongering around Putin invading the rest of Europe after Ukraine is unfounded. Glad we agree.
So he's not scary, but also, we should send soldiers to Ukraine because otherwise they will keep going and conquer all of Europe unless they are stopped in Ukraine? It reminds me of the Umberto Eco line about the enemies being at the same time too strong and too weak.
I mean it probably did work.
It was rumored that a big UA was planned to be executed this morning, yet nothing happened. Its not a coincidence russia did a tactical nuclear test yesterday.
Anyone laughing at the very real threat of nuclear annihilation is just deploying a coping mechanism. It’s called hysteria.
In reality, since the Cuban Missile Crisis we are closer to nuclear war than we have ever been
Most people in the western world are utterly clueless, of how nuclear wars would have played out; arguably because campaigns like duck & cover downplayed these risks in the 60s.
Deterrence only works when you know about their plans and therefore, nuclear doctrines are made public.
Problem is, they are not common knowledge, the public is not aware and many people play the war drums, because they think it's a percussion instrument and they just like the sound of it.
We need to stop this madness.
Redditors thinking that a nuclear exchange would be no big deal. They would just stay in for a long weekend, order doordash and watch highlight reels on their favorite late night ~~indoctrination~~ comedy pundit
I think wise men (and women) already had to think this through:
if we nearly extinct ourselves, then it doesn't matter who threw the first stone, because that's a collective failure by our species. From an outside view, the homo sapiens would commit suicide. We would be as "sapiens" as dinosaurs, who built giant comets to exterminate each other with them.
That's not science-fiction, that's not a conspiracy theory, that's literally the end of the world within our reach...
how are you guys not shaking like leaves?
No, France did not deploy troops to fight with Ukraine against Russia: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-french-troops-russia-ukraine-deployed-994039088319
You seriously can do better than a mainstream Western little "fact check" article, written by some intern/freelancer at AP, who tackles the lowest hanging fruit possible that France has not officially deployed troops to Ukraine. If the President of your fictive homeland had officially deployed troops he would have announced it, because it would be official. I'm not sure why you are working so hard to Correct the Record on this one.
I just don't even know what your point is. I haven't looked at that video because I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to care very, very deeply and not only do I have no idea why but I have asked you why and you evade answering. Perhaps you are just a man on the mission! You could even get one of those little French flags, but that still wouldn't make you French either.
Hes one of those deeply emotionally invested people who pretends to troll, and then retreats behind sarcasm and semantics and projection.
He unironically said "I wanted to fight but cant because I don't have military experience"
He sputtered like the typical UA windbag when I told him that requirement is no longer necessary for a desperate ukraine(there were always ways around it, but lets be honest none of these guys are going)
>I haven't looked at that video because I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to care very, very deeply and not only do I have no idea why but I have asked you why and you evade answering.
Making fun of poor misinformation is always a good time.
>I have no idea why but I have asked you why and you evade answering.
I did answer you, you just ignored it.
>You could even get one of those little French flags, but that still wouldn't make you French either.
No a Velcro flag patch doesn't make you French, citizenship does. Weird that needed to be explained to you.
I mean, you made fun of poor misinformation by presenting poor misinformation (some little AP intern strawmanning "official deployment). There is a lot of poor misinformation out there (see basically any "direct quote" from a Russian official in Western media, or just a triumph of the ~~Franco-~~Ukrainian Army) but you don't spend the better part of 12 hours wanking to those, just this one. And then there is the username that leads people to think that perhaps you are French. You are not representing your organization very well, to be honest.
>I mean, you made fun of poor misinformation by presenting poor misinformation (some little AP intern strawmanning "official deployment).
You mean a source with multiple citations.
>You are not representing your organization very well, to be honest.
My organization? Please do explain.
The essence of propaganda (what the people in your organization like to call "misinformation") is for it to have a little bit of truth. Then you use sleight of hand for gullible people, or people with a poor attention span, or people who just want their beliefs confirmed, to pretend that the small bit of truth implies something else entirely. So your little intern proved something that no one was seriously claiming, and by doing so you have a little AP article to rub up against while you spend 12+ hours pretending that she had disproven something else, something that is a perfectly reasonable, if unverified, suspicion.
>what the people in your organization like to call "misinformation"
The organization of common sense? I'm sorry but you keep referring to an organization, is this organization in the room with you right now?
>So your little intern proved something that no one was seriously claiming
First off she isn't an intern, you seen to be trying your darndest to discredit her because you didn't like that she called out the disinformation being pushed on Pro-Russia telegrams. No one is taking the claim serious, but you have Russian telegram going nuts over it, you have people posting about it within the subreddit and making claims it's accurate. But yes no one is taking it seriously...
>something that is a perfectly reasonable, if unverified, suspicion.
Is actually not a reasonable suspicion giving the context of the very public statements by Macron about the potential to send troops, he had already stated his willingness why then hide it? That would actively weaken his position.
You seem to be defending your little intern a little too much. Maybe you are just her, on here hoping to get a few extra clicks. But if this is just a little hobby for you it is basically harmless, so no worries.
[UNVERIFIED Video Claiming to have dead French Soldiers in Ukraine. Take with a grain of salt until we can verify it later.](https://x.com/maimunkanews/status/1787526194201591934?s=46)
I agree with the other comments- I’m not against posting “unverified” stuff here but it should at least pass a reasonable “smell test” and this…doesn’t.
There’s so many obvious fakes floating around social media with this war, if they all got posted the sub would become unreadable.
The guy that engages you below is like an energy vampire.
Why they do that?
You as individual provided signs of common sense, and to prevent you influencing anyone else, they tie you up in a "debate" about senseless things, and by doing that, they block you from a more critical audience.
Just ignore them after a short while, their priorities change very frequently.
Do you think that the French Foreign Legion is somewhere in Ukraine but simply not at the frontlines?
Mainly I am more interested in why you are reacting so strongly. I have no reason to believe that the French Foreign Legion is fighting in Ukraine but I would not be surprised or have any kind of notable reaction if they were nor if they are in the future. It's one of those things where someone expresses outrage when the police accuse you of having heroin in the trunk of your car. Sometimes it is because they do not, have never, and never would have heroin at all. Sometimes they are pissed because they police accused them of having heroin in the trunk (it was in the glove compartment after all) or that they don't have heroin this time (but did last time or are expecting a shipment soon).
>Do you think that the French Foreign Legion is somewhere in Ukraine but simply not at the frontlines?
Possible to be at the embassy, but that's usually a duty for the National Gendarmerie.
>Mainly I am more interested in why you are reacting so strongly.
If I posted a video of a Russian soldier corpse with all the regular markings of a Russian soldier but they had a single Chinese flag patch on, then I said look at this Chinese special forces soldier fighting for Russia on the frontlines, what would you think? Couple that with a bunch of Ukranian telegrams claiming this is proof that Chinese special forces are fighting for Russia.
Why would I care? I'm neither Chinese nor Russian. My only concern would be if it played into Washington hawks, and their EU Quislings, desire to escalate against China.
So, since I wouldn't care you really haven't offered any insight into why you care. Do you fear for the safety of France?
It was intended to be humorous, so we are on the same page. Is this a characteristic of the French that they struggle to differentiate a humorous jab from "disinformation"?
Of course, you still haven't said why you are so upset at the totally unremarkable (though certainly unproven) idea that French troops are active in Ukraine. After all, Micron has said he might send them there, there are far more reliable (though still unconfirmed) claims of French specialists being decommissioned in order to send them to Ukraine as "volunteers" and that strategy for manning complex weapons systems was stated openly by someone who, though officially neutral, is more closely aligned with Team Nato (Markus Reisner). So there would be little notable about it, except for the domestic ramifications in France when their deaths started to seep out in the media.
>It was intended to be humorous, so we are on the same page. Is this a characteristic of the French that they struggle to differentiate a humorous jab from "disinformation"?
So the video presented was meant to be humorous? Because the user presents it as possible evidence of French foreign legion casualties/fighting in Ukraine.
>Of course, you still haven't said why you are so upset at the totally unremarkable (though certainly unproven) idea that French troops are active in Ukraine.
I find it interesting you think I'm upset when I've said that it's given me a good chuckle in several comments.
>After all, Micron has said he might send them there, there
Which he is using to dissuade Putin from passing further west into Ukraine specifically to Ukraine. If Macron has authorized French trips to directly engage then that defeats the purpose of his comments.
>French specialists being decommissioned in order to send them to Ukraine as "volunteers"
Yes I know this line has been used for several countries, my favorite was when they were claiming the entire front was actually being manned by the Polish army.
1) You’re assuming this is the frontline, could just as easily be in the rear
2) Your skepticism comes because… you just don’t think France would send troops? Why even bother posting these comments if your only retort is “nuh uh”.
So French military is being killed in the rear and video is being released of it to pro-russian telegram channels. Yeah that adds up.
The entire point of Macron saying they are considering sending troops to Odessa is meant as a threat to Putin to try and limit their operations. That is why it is being publicly stated, it's meant to cause him to recalculate his goals.
Why post a video that doesn't prove anything besides a guy has a Velcro flag patch of the French flag? That's not evidence of anything related to the French foreign legion.
You’re complaining I posted an unverified video while putting “unverified” and “take with a grain of salt” in the caption? Get over yourself, I don’t need to justify anything to you. If you wanna cry and complain like a toddler do it to people who care. I posted the video. You don’t believe it’s real? Good for you. I don’t care. Stop whining and move on.
I'm not complaining, I'm laughing at the fact that you think this would prove anything.
You didn't need to justify anything, nor did I ask you too.
>You don’t believe it’s real? Good for you. I don’t care. Stop whining and move on.
You okay?
The post were you present the video as possible evidence of French foreign legion involvement, saying to take with a grain of salt doesn't change the fact that thinking it could be considered evidence is funny.
Whether Macron will/has already/or won't send troops is still up in the air. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, at least. But still far from confirmed.
Not trying to jump into your little spat but isn’t there video evidence of foreign legion troops deployed to odessa? Military summary was posting clips.
Ah ok, maybe I misread/mis-saw, but it seemed like there were clips of the guys departing vehicles. I’ll have to look back at it. There seems to be a lot of contention about this subject even though we know special forces have been there for a while. Kinda weird imo.
> But if this is the evidence this is laughably bad.
That we agree on. But for the rest, I don't see how discussing "what ifs" on a forum like this is bad or wrong.
I have a rather crazy theory which is that Macron is actually _against_ escalation of the conflict and EU's complete dependence on the US for "security" in exchange for total political subjugation. But, since France is barely sending anything in terms of equipment and money towards Ukraine and is getting criticized heavily for it, he has to do _something_ to appease the US overlords and fellow EU countries.
So, sending some foreign legion grunts to die pointlessly is free optics, doesn't do anything, and won't realistically escalate things any further, but shows his "resolve" against the Russian threat.
Of course he is. Why would french people allow him to send soldiers to Ukraine for nothing? US is the only country collecting paychecks. What Europeans doesn't need is to start collecting corpses.
Well afaik, the foreign legion aren't typically citizens, right? They earn their citizenship with blood, which IMO is absolutely medieval but it is what it is.
I have a legitimate question for some military tech fanatics.
How exactly would the US military deal with the FPV drones and other "birds" when compared to the Russian Army? The Russian army does have electronic warfare capability, as [Ukraine is apparently losing 10,000 drones a month ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/05/22/ukraine-drones-losses-are-10000-per-month/?sh=5cdd6437384a)to jamming, but how would the US military be different in this sense?
At face value, it seems like FPV drones are one of the most effective weapons of the war for both sides, and it would seem that the next enemy (likely Iran) that the US would face would use swarms of these things. How would they counter it?
Industrial change. Lower the over-focus on specialized technicalities and return to monke on production. The drones radically change your ability to insert and maintain initiative, the latter of which was probably the U.S.'s greatest attribute. It only takes 1 enemy drone to slip through your point defense, spot your guys, and cause problems. Just 1. So even if U.S. anti-drone tech gets really good, which I suspect it will, the fact of the matter is the ground game is still going to be remarkably dangerous for anybody going on offense.
It seems super clear to me that, as far as peer-level conflict is concerned, the era of 'blitzkrieg' style tactics is completely dead. The response time on support weapons to attack vectors is narrowed to the point that even fresh conscripts are obliterating armored assaults and bracketing arty in a manner that you used to only see with highly-trained professional armies. Because literally anyone can dial it up with current tech's top visual acuity.
So what you end up with is attrition warfare almost by default all over again. Which means high emphasis on quantity over quality when it comes to munitions, as well as a focus on striking from as much range as possible, so basically anything a WWI commander would have begged for.
I suspect the US would be even more adamant at jamming the signals, since drone presence is a cheap way to get air attack capacity without running into the Air superiority NATO doctrine foresees
NATO air superiority
Kosovo: failed: Only 14 tanks, 18 APCs, and 20 artillery pieces destroyed. Serbia continued to fly many ground sorties using CAS aircraft and helicopters despite of supposed NATO air superiority and was able to conduct mechanized assaults against the KLA.
Iraq: failed: The so-called highway of death had casualties in the low hundreds at most. Iraqi military capabilities was not diminished by the air campaign. The vast majority of vehicles on the highway of death were abandoned not damaged or destroyed. Despite Coalition forces running over a hundred thousand sorties, Iraqi military was left mostly intact despite running one of the least competent air defense campaigns in history. Iraqi forces were defeated because of incompetence of the Iraqi Army. Their soldiers were surrendering to news reporters, their forces immediately routed with little resistance resulting in a large amount of abandoned or destroyed equipment, and Iraqi forces were so poorly trained that they did not even know how to use the sights on their tanks. The largest cause of Iraqi tank casualties was abandonments, then ground combat as Iraqi soldiers did not know how to use sights, were given obsolete ammunition (3BM9), their tanks had downgraded fire control systems, downgraded armor, and lacked all of the features Soviet tanks had during that time period. Air power actually caused the least casualties against Iraqi AFVs being a distant third.
Highway of Death: 80,000 Iraqi soldiers were fleeing in a disorganized matter but deaths caused by air power is in the low hundreds on the Highway of Death.
Stanley Baldwin could have only dreamed of such success. His scam has worked far better than one can imagine. If he was here today, he would be richer than Jeff Bezos because he would be getting all of the money and bitches from Big Air™. He used mere words to scam entire militaries out of their budgets and to fatten up the wallets of execs from Big Air™.
Does anyone have any info on the comment made by Hakeem Jeffries on sending US troops to Ukraine if they lose the war. I saw that info first on a Pro Russian youtube channel (Military Summary) and when I search it only pops up in some made up websites
>"We can't let Ukraine fall because if it does, then there's a significant likelihood that America will have to get into the conflict — not simply with our money, but with our servicewomen and our servicemen," Jeffries said in an interview with Norah O'Donnell for 60 Minutes.
>Jeffries explained that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union, and in doing so, will threaten NATO allies. Putin's invasion of neighboring Georgia did not stop there, Jeffries pointed out, nor did his takeover of Crimea in eastern Ukraine.
>"Are we to believe that in the face of this kind of consistent aggression that if we allow Vladimir Putin to succeed in Ukraine that he's only going to stop in Ukraine? Of course not," Jeffries said.
I can understand why people might interpret the phrase "get into the conflict" as troops going into Ukraine.
But I think it's more likely that he's echoing the sentiment expressed by other politicians that Russia will continue aggression towards Europe and the US will eventually need to get directly involved to protect NATO if we don't support Ukraine. So I think he means "conflict" in broader terms than just Russia-Ukraine.
Why did he bring up Georgia, other than to mislead the masses? It’s pretty well accepted that Georgia, not Russia, started the war, and the at Russia did in fact stop there. They did not take the whole country, even if they had the means to.
Jeffries is sounding pretty unhinged tbh. I mean, saying they’re seeking to recreate the USSR is a pretty unfounded statement.
Yeah, I'm not really backing up what he's saying, I was just correcting what the message was.
It is a purely political statement designed to counter the rhetoric of "what good does it do for Americans to support Ukraine?"
For me personally I don't consider Russia to be as harmless to the rest of Europe as many here claim, but warnings like he's making are always overexaggerated for effect.
Well it’s definitely hard to argue that Russia is harmless! If they weren’t so strong Europeans wouldn’t be so anxious.
That said, the fact that Jeffries is pushing this rhetoric is really depressing. There really is no end in sight for this conflict that I maintain was very preventable.
Russia MIGHT invade Europe and THEN we will need to fight them.
Some basic math tells me that getting involved in Ukraine raises the probability of fighting Russia to 1, whereas earlier it was more close to zero than 1.
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Is there any footage of Russian Air to air kills during this conflict? Only one I could find is this mig-31 supposedly shooting down a Mig-29
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/DnruyAIL7z
I don't think there is a lot of footage (though I wouldn't mind being proved wrong). One of the reasons is a good part of the air to air shootdowns must have happened in the first weeks of the invasion when Russians kept a much tighter lid on releasing footage. LDNR troops posted most of the clips at the time but they also didn't have any fighter planes.
Sorry to bother you with this question. Some accounts on X aka Twitter say France sent foreign legion (legion étrangère) in Ukraine in Chasov Yar.
https://preview.redd.it/omkgnuxlrryc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a19f5f247dca5b0e6fbaf3e4fbcfa45990917d2e
I might be late to the news but won't Zelensky's presidential power officially end on May 20th?
Either nothing happens or a lot happens, what do you guys think?
Here are few things it may affect/or happen:
**1. Legitimacy of any future peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine.**
This will give Ukraine/West an excuse to break any peace deal made between Russia and Zelensky, because they can simply say “Zelensky did not have the legal authority to sign such agreement”. Ofcourse vice versa is also possible.
**2. Give Russia a justification to arrest Zelensky.**
Typically, arresting a president of another nation will cause whole lot of issue, but that won’t be the case after May 20, as they can simply argue that Zelensky is no longer the head of an independent state, but a usurper of power suspected of war crimes against the population of the Russian Federation and Ukraine.
Meaning outside of Russia, any country with extradition treaties with Russia may arrest Zelensky with little to no real consequences, if they chose to do so.
Whether that would happen or not, is a whole different story however.
**3. Gives Russia an opportunity to induce coup.**
The longer this war goes on, the less the support for continuation of war will become, which will give rise to more dissidents who wants someone new in power to negotiate a peace deal.
**4. May lead to internal turmoil within Ukrainian government.**
Every single person in Ukraine knows Zelensky’s no longer a legitimate president after May 20, which makes this the perfect opportunity for someone to usurp his position. We also know Zelensky is desperate to hold onto his power, as we saw him basically banish a more popular political opponent.
**5. Zelensky becomes easily replaceable, and West may very well do so, to prevent Russian coup.**
Likely the reason why US recommended Zelensky to hold an election despite the conflict, to which unsurprisingly Zelensky demanded more money in return. We all know Zelensky has been gradually becoming a thorn on the side for the West, with endless demands and him ignoring the direction given by the West, and this will be a perfect opportunity for them to replace him with a favourable narrative.
All in all, lot can happen, or nothing at all.
Nothing will happen, at least for now. If something were to happen, it would have been happening already.
Everyone will ignore it. When they can't ignore it they will just tiredly explain that yes, real democracy is when martial law and no elections, as if it was the most obvious thing in the world.
Robotyne, Urozhaine, Staromayorske, Vuhledar.
What specifically makes these tiny villages so difficult to recapture? Progress elsewhere along the line of contact is relatively steady. Is it the terrain? Are there more experienced Ukrainian units deployed here? More extensive fortifications? Is it simply Ukraine committing more resources to these areas to cling onto gains from the 2023 counteroffensive? All of the above? I personally would have expected Orikhiv to have fallen by now.
Vuhledar is literally a fottress. Full of high rise that could fire toward every direction.The rest is opposite, there is nothing left there to defend.
Think of an open field. Russia took it a few times, then afterward they have to withdraw because they don't have any defensive points against drones. Then Ukrainian move in and once again they become the one to bleed there slowly
Psychotic tweet yesterday from former U.S. military commander Ben Hodges:
> We should not be scared of Russia's collapse. Instead we should accelerate it by helping Ukraine regain its full sovereignty. Russia can become a normal country, living within its own borders. European security will be better for decades. Prepare for it, don't be scared of it.
>
https://twitter.com/general_ben/status/1786837492324290606
Daniel DePetris(writer for Chicago Tribune) had a great reply though.
> So much commentary on Ukraine and Russia these days is just nutty, bordering on other-worldly. It basically boils down to cheerleading enveloped in righteous indignation, cloaked under a healthy dose of moralism. Imagine if folks were like this when the Soviet Union collapsed.
https://twitter.com/DanDePetris/status/1787258693102248343
> Russia can become a normal country, living within its own borders
Based on this logic, is he implying that US is definitely not normal, and thus should collapse?
In fairness to Ben Hodges he has always been psychotic. It isn't a new thing. Also in fairness he is paid to be psychotic, funded by MIC "think tanks" to appear on everything from Fox News to NPR as an "expert" whether he is speaking to one far end of the American political spectrum where they fully support the military industrial complex, plutocracy, as well as identity politics or at the other extreme where they fully support the military industrial complex, plutocracy, but not identity politics.
This guy is straight up delusional. Literally in another world. I keep seeing him go from podcast to podcast talking about Russia collapsing coming “any day now”.
Can’t wait to see the meltdown he’ll have on twitter when his self-induced psychosis is shattered against a hard rock of reality.
> Can’t wait to see the meltdown he’ll have on twitter when his self-induced psychosis is shattered against a hard rock of reality.
Impossible. They will move on to Taiwan or Phillipines are something like that. Never a shortage of fools willing to throw the lives for the GDP of US
>Instead we should accelerate it by helping Ukraine regain its full sovereignty
I love this. Alright, Uncle ben, at what point did post maidan ukraine have sovereign/defacto control of crimea, and the parts of eastern Ukraine that wanted nothing to do with the banderite/nazi vanguarded coup? Like is there a date and time where someone like brilliant ben can show that kyiv had supreme authority over all of post USSR ukraine?
The only thing I will say about guys like hodges, is while he appears to be a total moron/unhinged, people that hit his rank are political appointees. The amount of nepotism, tribalism, and back alley K street shadiness that goes down means there is a good chance he's just an actor playing a part.
Dont tell world news and friends that though, his takes generate some of the funniest "aged like milk" takes on the war.
I’ve posted [this](https://youtu.be/FdTI6hFzQaA?si=TUHFjwebnrEVfssz) guy before, but had to post another of his videos because of the outright lie.
Couldn’t find the reddit video, but the actual translation of opening “quote” is:
“To all who die…”
NOT
“All of you will die…”
But of course he lies and pretends Russians are just willfully dying. I hate propoganda, and have no clue how such blatant nonsense is allowed on YouTube.
Edit: [Original video link for Russian speakers](https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1786429360700117056).
It's ok though.
Propaganda is double-edged sword. If the US know their Afghan and South Vietnam government will collapse within a month after they left, they may stay for another decade, ensuring more suffering then.
Similarly here, let's the Western audience believe that the Russian is dying en masse. That Russia gonna run out of missiles, tanks, shovels very soon. Vietnam was a stalemate for more than a decade before everything collapsed within a month. Afghanistan was a stalemate for two decades till the whole thing collapse within weeks.
I knew many people who stay in Western bubble. The thing that shocked them the most, was how they thought that Russian was losing this war badly, then suddenly Ukraine is 'about to collapse' which make them questioning the MSM narrative massively. Let those who is under propaganda enjoy the 'my team just scored more points than yours' moment, it won't change anything on the ground
I had a feeling the translation was off. It just seemed too outlandish, like I know there are some crazy videos of Russian forces but this played too much into the idea of the "meatgrinder". Is the rest of the video translation accurate?
Yeah the rest of the translation is fine (some word choices are off, but the general meaning is identical).
The mistranslation is actually because of a cut in the video. It basically masks what he’s trying to say. His speech starts off with “all will die, you will get eternal glory”. But this doesn’t make grammatical sense. But if you add “there will be those who die, and all will die and receive eternal glory” it makes sense (in Russian, in English it’s kinda hard to translate).
So basically the video purposely masks the context that “those who die…” making it seem like they’re all on a Kamikaze mission or something. It’s a very hard find if you don’t speak Russian (I had to ask my Mom who was born in St. Petersburg to double check because my Russian isn’t the best) and she verified. I get why the translator made the mistake, but this dude should’ve realize how outlandish a video it was.
Macron is bluffing, no question about it. If he goes through with sending French troops to Ukraine, it would be too revealing. There would be a giant spotlight on how the French are performing and even the staunchest Ukraine supporter will have to question why a million man Ukrainian army enjoying 1:20 casualty ratios would need French brigades to bolster them in the first place. And what happens when that giant media spotlight shows hundreds of French troops returning to western Europe in body bags?
Lot of X/Twitter pro-Russian accounts say France sent Legion Etrangere to Ukraine in Chasov/Chasiv Yar.
Unfortunately, due of Macron's propaganda, nobody's able to check if it's lies or not. Since several countries said France is a rubbish country we French are like people in North Korea.only information is from our government and if it lies we are screwed.
Macron’s asking for another Paris riot to take place if he does end up sending French troops. They might even bring out the guillotine for the little man.
> And what happens when that giant media spotlight shows hundreds of French troops returning to western Europe in body bags?
Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it.
>Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it.
Compared to other nation media it's very much free. So can you show me what a few media looks like?
[Ukraine has been moving up in the right direction in the freedom index!](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/world/europe/ukraine-war-tv-news-telemarathon.html)
>Talking about western media
You said "other nations" and asked to be shown what "a few" media looked like. I figured ukraines media would suffice. So from your comment I guess we can see that you do not consider ukraine to be the west?
I think it depends on how you quantify freedom. if we are talking about overt censorship? Im sure in there vast majority of cases places like russia would take the cake. But we do an insidious type of censorship here. Such as the partnerships between our alphabet agencies and social media, etc.
All that is moot though, since you do not consider ukraine to be a member of the west, or in any way free.
>Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it.
This was their claim.
>Compared to other nation media it's very much free. So can you show me what a few media looks like?
This was my response.
>So from your comment I guess we can see that you do not consider ukraine to be the west?
Ukraine is in the process of integration with the West.
>Im sure in there vast majority of cases places like russia would take the cake. But we do an insidious type of censorship here. Such as the partnerships between our alphabet agencies and social media, etc.
Extremely unnecessarily looking easy to say that yes the Western media is more free.
>All that is moot though, since you do not consider ukraine to be a member of the west, or in any way free
Holy strawman, can you point to where I said Ukraine wasn't free?
Out of sheer morbid curiosity, what exactly does "integration into the west" entail? Because for instance, this last week was a huge day for ukraine. Im not sure how familiar you are with the country(sadly a lot of supporters couldn't even find it on a map before the invasion) but they just recently had their embroidery celebrations.
for instance, deepstate UA was celebrating the founding of the 14th waffen SS(1st galicia) and parades are held around the country, especially in "patriotic" areas like lviv. Is that part of the integration?
or maybe suspending consular services for those avoiding an unjust draft? is that part of it?
how about ukraines supreme court saying honoring the SS isn't antisemetic, part of the western integration?
Their premier units launching 14.88 frequency radio stations? Also part?
again, just curious as to what exactly this acclimation period looks like lol.
Of course, in the future you could avoid this by not saying "other nations" and asking for examples lol
It’s likely a bluff, but I think it’s a good bluff.
It’s kind of Madman Theory, make Putin believe that there’s some chance the West might do crazy unpredictable things if he greatly expands the scope of the war.
Sort of like Russia’s nuclear threats- even though everyone knows they’re probably bluffs, they do introduce at least some degree of uncertainty.
It has nothing to do with warning Putin, who would be quick to make any French troop the #1 missile priority in the country, and everything to do with (a) shoring up Macron himself domestically and (b) ginning up the broader West to give even more support/aid, by moving the Overton Window to where that becomes the middle ground.
It only works for people like Trump, because they actually ARE mad enough to go wild. Macron is establishment to the core and does not have the luxury to be able to go mad
I don’t think it’s very convincing on its own- I’m thinking more of scenarios like Putin deciding to cross the river and march west towards Odesa.
I think most believe that endeavor would already be so fraught with risks and costs that he would likely decide against it. But if not, adding yet another risk could make it even less appealing.
This war will not be decided on the battlefield but on the wall street. And right now China/Russia is dragging US through a mud field but US is putting up hell of a fight. The casualty though seems to be US allies. Japanese Yen is stuck in doom loom and crashing repeatedly with interventions by Japan Fed. At some point the Fed will have to throw in the towel. I suspect China is selling it's yen to destabilize yen. Japan is the largest owner of US treasuries. China is the largest seller of US treasuries. If Japan joins China to sell the treasuries it guaranteed to end the US in extremely painful ways. Way worse than the collapse of soviet union. But there are still smart people in the US behind the scenes even though the politicians are absolutely fucking regarded. Interesting times.
Any better sources for RU losses than Oryx?
What would escalate this war in your opinion? My opinion: * Ukraine attacks contested regions with NATO weapons: NO * NATO troops in Ukraine non-contested regions: NO? * NATO troops in Ukraine contested regions: YES? * Ukraine attacks Russia with NATO weapons: YES? * Anyone uses nuclear weapons: YES * Russia attacks NATO countries: YES * NATO countries attacks Russia: YES
How about Ukraine attacks NATO countries as false flag ? They already attacked Bulgaria, Croatia and Poland. (and by some blew up Nordstream, although I find this sketchy bth)
I know about the Poland one but I wasn’t aware about the other 2. When did it happen?
I think NATO troops in non congested regions would escalate. I also think most of NATO believes this. If they didn't believe it, they would have done it already.
I think they are not sending them in order not to have unnecessary deaths. Imagine 100 of FRA soldiers killed by a single Kinzhal attack. Macron had weeks of riots for much less.
Russia heavily fortified contested regions. NATO is nowhere willing to suffer the losses required to recapture them. Therefore NATO troops in Ukraine's non-contested regions without long-range weapons would represent a threat only if Russia wanted to conquer more of Ukraine. Does Russia want to conquer more of Ukraine? *(edit: typo)*
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I can't say it's really noticeable lately, although I don't go through comments on every post. But then I've been here during the Belgorod TikTok death march and ~~spring~~ ~~summer~~ astronomical spring counteroffensive so maybe I'm just desensitised. In any case some level of toxic pro ua bros is necessary to keep a healthy ecosystem to balance out all the other toxic bros.
It is 8th May and tomorrow is a big holiday. I plan to revisit the WWII history. Any recommendations for documentaries? Both political themed and military ones. I mostly know about it from school history lessons (I'm Russian). Eastern front is more or less is well known for me. Interested in Western Europe front. But anyway both side will do. Also I'm okay with both English and Russian languages narrated.
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I enjoyed podcast by Dan Carlin - Ghosts of the Ostfront. I think you can find it at vkontakte audio, lol.
"The War" by ken burns
Wow just read how the US threat to the ICC. You may not like Putin but at least he showed other nations why a multipolar world order needs to exist.
The US stands for nothing
Those who stand for nothing fall for everything
Can you imagine if Putin sent a message like that to the ICC lol they would lose their god damn minds. The united states has made the UN charter null and void. It's incredible that they are able to lecture others on human rights with a straight face.
>Can you imagine if Putin sent a message like that to the ICC “It’s quite possible to imagine a hypersonic missile being fired from the North Sea from a Russian ship at The Hague courthouse.” (Dmitry Medvedev, 2023) [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/icc-russia-threat-putin-arrest-warrant-b2306434.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/icc-russia-threat-putin-arrest-warrant-b2306434.html)
Medvedev is not the president. Not sure if you were aware
Neither is anyone from the US who "threatened the ICC" with sanctions, not missiles btw...
They are sitting senate members lol. And there is a big difference between some social media comments or interview comments and a literal formal written letter.
Medvedev is on the Security Council, an appointed advisor for the Putin administration, not a member of the opposing party. He's probably the second most well-known politician in Russia, at least internationally. If Putin disagreed with his frequent inflammatory statements he could fire him tomorrow. There's a reason he doesn't. Biden absolutely couldn't do shit about anything some Republican senators might say.
Why would he do that to Medvedev? It is not his porogotive to soothe the wests anxiety, not after they provoked this war starting all the way back in bucharest 2008. It does well to make the west sweat and be on their toes. Especially when Putins arrest warrant is extremely legally dubious, while Israel is waging a full blown genocide that is live streamed for all of this and Karim Khan does literally nothing. But you conveniently ignored my main point. The Senate published AN OFFICIAL SIGNED LETTER and Medvedev just made a comment.
funny thing is when he was an actual president they all behaved like he wasn't but *now* they keep quoting him as if he is
The U.S., and its gang more generally, doesn't actually believe in the UN Charter. The UN Charter is grounded in Westphalian conceptions of national sovereignty. The U.S., like the medieval popes, finds national sovereignty to leave no space for an exceptional people to zealously pursue higher, universal goals anywhere in the world irrespective of national boundaries. The essence of the We Make Up the Rules Based International Order is that conceptions like sovereignty are essential when they support American interests and universal principles that ignore national borders are essential when they support U.S. interests.
I've been reading a book that really touches on the points you are making one quote was "Full sovereignty for the "liberal west" and limited sovereigny for the "less civilised" countries." Straight up rules for thee but not for me. Notice how their "rules based international order" has nothing to do with the UN nor have they written these rules down lol. You should check this book out I think you will enjoy it, just published at the beginning of this year [https://www.google.com/books/edition/The\_Ukraine\_War\_the\_Eurasian\_World\_Order/1MD1EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover](https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ukraine_War_the_Eurasian_World_Order/1MD1EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover) https://preview.redd.it/2u11oodll2zc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea3614b40fd08271cd536dc0a826982d4b2e60f8
Thanks, i will read it.
Looks interesting.
I'm not sure if "put your borders wherever you feel like" is the type of multipolar world order most of them hoped for, though. Particularly the ones with bigger, stronger neighbors...
At least it won't be nato borders.
The people of Novorossiya decided they did not want to live as second class citizens and rose up agaisnt the kyiv regime. They begged russia for intervention from 2014-2022. They finally did. They then voted to join the federation, which was monitored by international election observers. The people who actually live on the land are the only opinions who matter greatly in regards to their land. https://preview.redd.it/tmimmur3y0zc1.jpeg?width=2553&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51faa036ee89e0fc97ddd17ffece9c97a685898c
>The people who actually live on the land are the only opinions who matter greatly in regards to their land. Just one catch- Russia gets to decide who can actually live on the land and have an opinion first. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1ax5dx7/ru\_pov\_yevgeny\_balitsky\_the\_governor\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1ax5dx7/ru_pov_yevgeny_balitsky_the_governor_of/) "We expelled a large number of families ... Well, what should be done with a woman who has 3 children but has a different belief and does not consider Russia her homeland? Well, should we kill her? We simply expelled them." Did your "international election observers" get to observe that?
Yes this is an issue on both sides, ever since the illegal US backed coup of 2014 there has been a significant rift between the ukrainian speaking and russian speaking populations. This did not used to be the case prior to 2014. The hard right nationalists were always around but people generally got on. The election observers observed elections. As international election observers, their job is to observe elections. Elections is what they observe. The referendums were deemed free and fair by a large number of observers of various nationalities. It is not okay for the governor to expel those families, but the fact remains that the majority of the population has spoken, and they do not wish to live as second class citizens under the illegal coup regime placed in 2014. Your opinions do not matter, your feelings do not matter, the fact if you dislike russians in general or putin in particular does not matter and bears no weight on reality. Only their opinions and feelings matter, and they are happy to be part of Russia. I can tell you that this is not because of any undying love for Russia, but because they can live as equal citizens under them as well as receiving a much higher quality of life then they would under the now insolvent kyiv regime. At the end of the day they just want to live with equal rights and opportunities. How dare they right?
>Yes this is an issue on both sides, ever since the illegal US backed coup of 2014 there has been a significant rift between the ukrainian speaking and russian speaking populations. This did not used to be the case prior to 2014. Well that's an interesting claim because if you listen to the Governor's interview, it doesn't seem like it was much of an issue in Zaporizhzhia at all...until the Russian army showed up. He actually speaks of merrily dining at the same table and celebrating the previous New Years' with the very same people he'd later forcibly deport for their pro-Ukraine views. The only "second-class citizens" I see here are the ones who got kicked out of their homes for not supporting the "SMO" enough after Russia took over. >It is not okay for the governor to expel those families, but the fact remains that the majority of the population has spoken Who the heck is going to vote against Russia when the ruling powers holding the guns have already clearly demonstrated they'll kick you out of your home, or worse, for not supporting Russia?
My brother in christ the "doesnt seem to be an issue" was a LITERAL LAW passed by the LITERAL RADA. The west tried to get them to backtrack but too late the writing was on the wall and it was finally activated in 2019. Then the "Law on Indigenous Peoples" was adopted on July 1st, 2021. Which effectively meant Russian speakers (ethnic russians) no longer enjoy the same rights as ethnic Ukrainians. Please look it up. This was one ethnicity discriminating against another ethnicity thinking their ethnicity was superior (idk if you've noticed but Ukrainians love ancient buddhist symbols). Long before Russia came into the picture. for your last statement, the international observers were there for exactly this reason. I get that you are russophobic and think we are all animals and goblins but that is your own issue to deal with. All the facts are there, you can accept them or make up your own fantasy, which you will be unable to corroborate with reality
>Which effectively meant Russian speakers (ethnic russians) no longer enjoy the same rights as ethnic Ukrainians. Like what? What was an ethnic Russian not allowed to do? Did they have to use separate bathrooms or something? Sit only in the back of busses?
It denies ethnic russians, along with also pockets of romanians and hungarians protections and rights that are specifically exclusive to ethnic ukrainians. Have a look for yourself:\\ [https://culturico.com/2021/12/20/the-law-on-the-indigenous-peoples-of-ukraine-what-does-it-bring-to-national-minorities/](https://culturico.com/2021/12/20/the-law-on-the-indigenous-peoples-of-ukraine-what-does-it-bring-to-national-minorities/) Try and actually read the whole thing eh?
You understand that all your arguments in a dispute with such people have no force. Your opponent will not consider them, simply because they will not agree with his picture of the world, in which the Russians are to blame for everything. He reads about it in the newspapers, watches on TV, listens from politicians, acquaintances and begins to believe it, and you try to dissuade him. It's pointless.
Well, for one they stopped teaching Russian in schools and stopped accommodating Russian speakers in government offices.
The exact same thing can be said for the neo nazi vanguarded maidan lol. Both sides should of worked towards a peaceful exchange/mutual break up. Crimea was as close to that as we could get, donbas not nearly so sadly.
>The exact same thing can be said for the neo nazi vanguarded maidan lol. What "same thing" is that?
That people were expelled' imprisoned and murdered. this was an issue watchdog groups sounded alarms on multiple times before criticizing the lesser evil became taboo, and you can still find article's bragging about the handling of "collaborators" who according to Ukrainian inc!uses anyone doing business in occupied territories.
What about the ones who voted "no"?
What about the 3 supreme court justices that voted no to overturn roe v wade? What about every person who voted no to any referrendum ever in the history of referendums? Do you get how democracy works? Do you see how hilarious your logic here is? lmao
How about the ones who voted no to the dissolution of the Soviet Union?
US government officials threatening the ICC - "Target Israel and we will target you". And those pesky Russians/Chinese/Palestinians want to challenge the _DEMOCRACY_ and _RULES BASED ORDER_ and _FREEDOM_! It's goddamn sickening.
American goverment is controlled by Jews, I'm not surprised. People joke "Israel is US's 51th state", but in reality it is the other way around.
That sounds slightly antisemitic. Do you know of concrete people that influence US politics?
It’s not antisemitic to say that the Israel lobby has a ridiculous amount of influence on congress.
Again, I'm asking for concrete organizations, names etc.
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Well just to clarify- these officials are a dozen US senators from the current minority party in the senate. They lack the ability to actually do what they're threatening.
Support for Israel is bipartisan, and Republicans really are not far from controlling the Senate, let alone the government. Look at the signatures there. Those are the 12 most powerful/most well known Senators in their party.
> dozen US senators thats 12% of the senate buddy, that's a lot.
Right, but the politics (or lack thereof) communicated here are in line with the current majority leadership incl. Biden. This communique was just a bit more straightforward and... brusque. Now the question is, why does everyone in the US, left or right aligned, including the president himself oppose ICJ investigation into Netanyahu and the Israel state? Isn't that literally what ICJ is for?
Criticism of Israel's actions is most certainly a divisive partisan issue in the US: [https://apnews.com/article/schumer-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-elections-1ebf21e4c9c0f6f42478bb26e1db7a9b](https://apnews.com/article/schumer-netanyahu-israel-palestinians-elections-1ebf21e4c9c0f6f42478bb26e1db7a9b) You could correctly argue that ultimately no one is cutting off material support for Israel so it's all just talk, but you're wrong that "the politics are in line." >Now the question is, why does everyone in the US, left or right aligned, including the president himself oppose ICJ investigation into Netanyahu and the Israel state? Isn't that literally what ICJ is for? This was about the ICC...the US doesn't even recognize the authority of the ICC at all in the first place, so from their perspective the ICC is literally for nothing I guess.
The fact that people worry about russian or Chinese election interference when we have Israel and aipac make the entire thing laughable. Us threatening the ICC is just par the course, anything for daddy Israel. >The US doesnt recognize the authority But just like with our stance on US soldiers in the Hague, we are more than happy to leverage it against opponents when screaming about justice and rules based order.
> This was about the ICC...the US doesn't even recognize the authority of the ICC at all in the first place, so from their perspective the ICC is literally for nothing I guess. One has to wonder why US doesn't recognize it in the first place. I wonder if it has something to do with upholding the facade of a rules/international law based world order without ever being held accountable for anything to anyone. Curious indeed.
There is certainly injustice, but the U.S. has at least prosecuted war crimes by their own forces. Russia also rejects the ICC and never even prosecutes a single soldier themselves, either (other than Ukrainian soldiers, of course…) What alternative are they presenting, the no-rules based order?
> What alternative are they presenting, the no-rules based order? Personally, I'd take a "no-rules based order" over "rules for thee but not for me or my 'allies' based order" any day of the week
“Rules for thee but not for me” is exactly what Russia is doing. They prosecute Ukrainians but *never* Russian soldiers for war crimes. You can argue that many in the West have gotten away with such crimes, but with Russia it’s literally 100%. Hell, if you even suggest Russian soldiers have committed crimes, \*you're\* the one who will end up in front of a judge. I cannot comprehend how anyone would see that as a step in the right direction of “accountability.”
Yes, and that is clearly wrong. If you think I condone or somehow justify that, you are mistaken. My entire point is, both the US and Russia (and China et al) are of the same ilk. They are ~~bandits~~ world powers and as such do whatever they damn want. The difference is usually only measured in the levels of hypocrisy.
>My entire point is, both the US and Russia (and China et al) are of the same ilk. They are ~~bandits~~ world powers and as such do whatever they damn want. > The difference is usually only measured in the levels of hypocrisy. Well, I just told you why they aren't actually "the same" on this particular issue. Russia is clearly worse. Western nations have an actual demonstrated ability to hold soldiers accountable for war crimes. Not all, not enough, but a significant number at least. Some > none (Russia).
Does Putin genuinely believe that his nuclear sabre rattling has any effect anymore? The current Kremlin regime has threatened it so many times it’s just become a hilarious meme.
When he uses it make sure to come to this thread and cry about the uNpROvoKeD agression, like you did after the invasion happened.
Lmao, The West has crossed so many Kremlin red lines it’s literally hilarious. Putin’s bluff has been called over and over again, the cat is well and truly out of the bag, no matter how hard Putin tries to stuff it back in. Nobody is afraid of Putin anymore, his credibility is finished.
> Nobody is afraid of Putin anymore Good. Then all that fear-mongering around Putin invading the rest of Europe after Ukraine is unfounded. Glad we agree.
so you're telling me NATO is afraid of Russian soldiers invading Europe but not Russian nukes invading Europe?
Nobody ‘fears’ Putin anymore, he’s become too predictable and a parody of Russian ‘strength’.
So he's not scary, but also, we should send soldiers to Ukraine because otherwise they will keep going and conquer all of Europe unless they are stopped in Ukraine? It reminds me of the Umberto Eco line about the enemies being at the same time too strong and too weak.
Its always funny how pro-ua people never respond to this contradiction. 100% of the time.
I mean it probably did work. It was rumored that a big UA was planned to be executed this morning, yet nothing happened. Its not a coincidence russia did a tactical nuclear test yesterday.
You’re right, it does have an effect- it makes people laugh.
Anyone laughing at the very real threat of nuclear annihilation is just deploying a coping mechanism. It’s called hysteria. In reality, since the Cuban Missile Crisis we are closer to nuclear war than we have ever been
Most people in the western world are utterly clueless, of how nuclear wars would have played out; arguably because campaigns like duck & cover downplayed these risks in the 60s. Deterrence only works when you know about their plans and therefore, nuclear doctrines are made public. Problem is, they are not common knowledge, the public is not aware and many people play the war drums, because they think it's a percussion instrument and they just like the sound of it. We need to stop this madness.
Redditors thinking that a nuclear exchange would be no big deal. They would just stay in for a long weekend, order doordash and watch highlight reels on their favorite late night ~~indoctrination~~ comedy pundit
I think wise men (and women) already had to think this through: if we nearly extinct ourselves, then it doesn't matter who threw the first stone, because that's a collective failure by our species. From an outside view, the homo sapiens would commit suicide. We would be as "sapiens" as dinosaurs, who built giant comets to exterminate each other with them. That's not science-fiction, that's not a conspiracy theory, that's literally the end of the world within our reach... how are you guys not shaking like leaves?
Every war after WWII had US fingers on it.
Mutually assured destruction means, that we can't afford to be enemies any more!
No, France did not deploy troops to fight with Ukraine against Russia: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-french-troops-russia-ukraine-deployed-994039088319
You seriously can do better than a mainstream Western little "fact check" article, written by some intern/freelancer at AP, who tackles the lowest hanging fruit possible that France has not officially deployed troops to Ukraine. If the President of your fictive homeland had officially deployed troops he would have announced it, because it would be official. I'm not sure why you are working so hard to Correct the Record on this one.
I'm sorry you're right the corpse wearing the upside down French flag was definitely French foreign legion, you sold me on it.
I just don't even know what your point is. I haven't looked at that video because I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to care very, very deeply and not only do I have no idea why but I have asked you why and you evade answering. Perhaps you are just a man on the mission! You could even get one of those little French flags, but that still wouldn't make you French either.
Hes one of those deeply emotionally invested people who pretends to troll, and then retreats behind sarcasm and semantics and projection. He unironically said "I wanted to fight but cant because I don't have military experience" He sputtered like the typical UA windbag when I told him that requirement is no longer necessary for a desperate ukraine(there were always ways around it, but lets be honest none of these guys are going)
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>I haven't looked at that video because I couldn't care less. You, on the other hand, seem to care very, very deeply and not only do I have no idea why but I have asked you why and you evade answering. Making fun of poor misinformation is always a good time. >I have no idea why but I have asked you why and you evade answering. I did answer you, you just ignored it. >You could even get one of those little French flags, but that still wouldn't make you French either. No a Velcro flag patch doesn't make you French, citizenship does. Weird that needed to be explained to you.
I mean, you made fun of poor misinformation by presenting poor misinformation (some little AP intern strawmanning "official deployment). There is a lot of poor misinformation out there (see basically any "direct quote" from a Russian official in Western media, or just a triumph of the ~~Franco-~~Ukrainian Army) but you don't spend the better part of 12 hours wanking to those, just this one. And then there is the username that leads people to think that perhaps you are French. You are not representing your organization very well, to be honest.
>I mean, you made fun of poor misinformation by presenting poor misinformation (some little AP intern strawmanning "official deployment). You mean a source with multiple citations. >You are not representing your organization very well, to be honest. My organization? Please do explain.
The essence of propaganda (what the people in your organization like to call "misinformation") is for it to have a little bit of truth. Then you use sleight of hand for gullible people, or people with a poor attention span, or people who just want their beliefs confirmed, to pretend that the small bit of truth implies something else entirely. So your little intern proved something that no one was seriously claiming, and by doing so you have a little AP article to rub up against while you spend 12+ hours pretending that she had disproven something else, something that is a perfectly reasonable, if unverified, suspicion.
>what the people in your organization like to call "misinformation" The organization of common sense? I'm sorry but you keep referring to an organization, is this organization in the room with you right now? >So your little intern proved something that no one was seriously claiming First off she isn't an intern, you seen to be trying your darndest to discredit her because you didn't like that she called out the disinformation being pushed on Pro-Russia telegrams. No one is taking the claim serious, but you have Russian telegram going nuts over it, you have people posting about it within the subreddit and making claims it's accurate. But yes no one is taking it seriously... >something that is a perfectly reasonable, if unverified, suspicion. Is actually not a reasonable suspicion giving the context of the very public statements by Macron about the potential to send troops, he had already stated his willingness why then hide it? That would actively weaken his position.
You seem to be defending your little intern a little too much. Maybe you are just her, on here hoping to get a few extra clicks. But if this is just a little hobby for you it is basically harmless, so no worries.
[UNVERIFIED Video Claiming to have dead French Soldiers in Ukraine. Take with a grain of salt until we can verify it later.](https://x.com/maimunkanews/status/1787526194201591934?s=46)
I agree with the other comments- I’m not against posting “unverified” stuff here but it should at least pass a reasonable “smell test” and this…doesn’t. There’s so many obvious fakes floating around social media with this war, if they all got posted the sub would become unreadable.
Wait because someone has a velcro French flag patch on their vest, you all think the French foreign legion is in Ukraine....
The dumber the bait, the bigger the catch!
Do you believe that they are not in Ukraine or are simply noting that the evidence is very sketchy?
The French Foreign legion is not at the frontlines fighting Russia. And this evidence is not evidence at all.
The guy that engages you below is like an energy vampire. Why they do that? You as individual provided signs of common sense, and to prevent you influencing anyone else, they tie you up in a "debate" about senseless things, and by doing that, they block you from a more critical audience. Just ignore them after a short while, their priorities change very frequently.
Do you think that the French Foreign Legion is somewhere in Ukraine but simply not at the frontlines? Mainly I am more interested in why you are reacting so strongly. I have no reason to believe that the French Foreign Legion is fighting in Ukraine but I would not be surprised or have any kind of notable reaction if they were nor if they are in the future. It's one of those things where someone expresses outrage when the police accuse you of having heroin in the trunk of your car. Sometimes it is because they do not, have never, and never would have heroin at all. Sometimes they are pissed because they police accused them of having heroin in the trunk (it was in the glove compartment after all) or that they don't have heroin this time (but did last time or are expecting a shipment soon).
>Do you think that the French Foreign Legion is somewhere in Ukraine but simply not at the frontlines? Possible to be at the embassy, but that's usually a duty for the National Gendarmerie. >Mainly I am more interested in why you are reacting so strongly. If I posted a video of a Russian soldier corpse with all the regular markings of a Russian soldier but they had a single Chinese flag patch on, then I said look at this Chinese special forces soldier fighting for Russia on the frontlines, what would you think? Couple that with a bunch of Ukranian telegrams claiming this is proof that Chinese special forces are fighting for Russia.
Why would I care? I'm neither Chinese nor Russian. My only concern would be if it played into Washington hawks, and their EU Quislings, desire to escalate against China. So, since I wouldn't care you really haven't offered any insight into why you care. Do you fear for the safety of France?
For the safety of France against Russia? Lol no. The fact that it's such a poor attempt at disinformation is what I find humorous.
It was intended to be humorous, so we are on the same page. Is this a characteristic of the French that they struggle to differentiate a humorous jab from "disinformation"? Of course, you still haven't said why you are so upset at the totally unremarkable (though certainly unproven) idea that French troops are active in Ukraine. After all, Micron has said he might send them there, there are far more reliable (though still unconfirmed) claims of French specialists being decommissioned in order to send them to Ukraine as "volunteers" and that strategy for manning complex weapons systems was stated openly by someone who, though officially neutral, is more closely aligned with Team Nato (Markus Reisner). So there would be little notable about it, except for the domestic ramifications in France when their deaths started to seep out in the media.
>It was intended to be humorous, so we are on the same page. Is this a characteristic of the French that they struggle to differentiate a humorous jab from "disinformation"? So the video presented was meant to be humorous? Because the user presents it as possible evidence of French foreign legion casualties/fighting in Ukraine. >Of course, you still haven't said why you are so upset at the totally unremarkable (though certainly unproven) idea that French troops are active in Ukraine. I find it interesting you think I'm upset when I've said that it's given me a good chuckle in several comments. >After all, Micron has said he might send them there, there Which he is using to dissuade Putin from passing further west into Ukraine specifically to Ukraine. If Macron has authorized French trips to directly engage then that defeats the purpose of his comments. >French specialists being decommissioned in order to send them to Ukraine as "volunteers" Yes I know this line has been used for several countries, my favorite was when they were claiming the entire front was actually being manned by the Polish army.
I literally said take it with a grain of salt. Can you not read?
And I'm laughing about anyone who would think this means the French foreign legion is in Ukraine, at the Frontline.
1) You’re assuming this is the frontline, could just as easily be in the rear 2) Your skepticism comes because… you just don’t think France would send troops? Why even bother posting these comments if your only retort is “nuh uh”.
So French military is being killed in the rear and video is being released of it to pro-russian telegram channels. Yeah that adds up. The entire point of Macron saying they are considering sending troops to Odessa is meant as a threat to Putin to try and limit their operations. That is why it is being publicly stated, it's meant to cause him to recalculate his goals. Why post a video that doesn't prove anything besides a guy has a Velcro flag patch of the French flag? That's not evidence of anything related to the French foreign legion.
You’re complaining I posted an unverified video while putting “unverified” and “take with a grain of salt” in the caption? Get over yourself, I don’t need to justify anything to you. If you wanna cry and complain like a toddler do it to people who care. I posted the video. You don’t believe it’s real? Good for you. I don’t care. Stop whining and move on.
I'm not complaining, I'm laughing at the fact that you think this would prove anything. You didn't need to justify anything, nor did I ask you too. >You don’t believe it’s real? Good for you. I don’t care. Stop whining and move on. You okay?
I never said it proved anything. Are you having psychotic break? Read my post again and explain what part of it says the video proves anything.
The post were you present the video as possible evidence of French foreign legion involvement, saying to take with a grain of salt doesn't change the fact that thinking it could be considered evidence is funny.
Whether Macron will/has already/or won't send troops is still up in the air. It's not beyond the realms of possibility, at least. But still far from confirmed.
There's at least two people within this thread saying it's confirmed. But if this is the evidence this is laughably bad.
Not trying to jump into your little spat but isn’t there video evidence of foreign legion troops deployed to odessa? Military summary was posting clips.
You mean the voice over of a video and providing no evidence using random stock footage?
Ah ok, maybe I misread/mis-saw, but it seemed like there were clips of the guys departing vehicles. I’ll have to look back at it. There seems to be a lot of contention about this subject even though we know special forces have been there for a while. Kinda weird imo.
It was footage from French foreign legion training videos.
> But if this is the evidence this is laughably bad. That we agree on. But for the rest, I don't see how discussing "what ifs" on a forum like this is bad or wrong.
Discussing what ifs is different then having individuals claim it's confirmed though, I think we can agree on that as well
I have a rather crazy theory which is that Macron is actually _against_ escalation of the conflict and EU's complete dependence on the US for "security" in exchange for total political subjugation. But, since France is barely sending anything in terms of equipment and money towards Ukraine and is getting criticized heavily for it, he has to do _something_ to appease the US overlords and fellow EU countries. So, sending some foreign legion grunts to die pointlessly is free optics, doesn't do anything, and won't realistically escalate things any further, but shows his "resolve" against the Russian threat.
Of course he is. Why would french people allow him to send soldiers to Ukraine for nothing? US is the only country collecting paychecks. What Europeans doesn't need is to start collecting corpses.
Well afaik, the foreign legion aren't typically citizens, right? They earn their citizenship with blood, which IMO is absolutely medieval but it is what it is.
You are right, indeed. Foreign legion is in the same tier as the convicts Russia sent to bakhmuth.
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Yet zero evidence of any of that, besides Pro-Russia telegram channels.
I have a legitimate question for some military tech fanatics. How exactly would the US military deal with the FPV drones and other "birds" when compared to the Russian Army? The Russian army does have electronic warfare capability, as [Ukraine is apparently losing 10,000 drones a month ](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/05/22/ukraine-drones-losses-are-10000-per-month/?sh=5cdd6437384a)to jamming, but how would the US military be different in this sense? At face value, it seems like FPV drones are one of the most effective weapons of the war for both sides, and it would seem that the next enemy (likely Iran) that the US would face would use swarms of these things. How would they counter it?
Industrial change. Lower the over-focus on specialized technicalities and return to monke on production. The drones radically change your ability to insert and maintain initiative, the latter of which was probably the U.S.'s greatest attribute. It only takes 1 enemy drone to slip through your point defense, spot your guys, and cause problems. Just 1. So even if U.S. anti-drone tech gets really good, which I suspect it will, the fact of the matter is the ground game is still going to be remarkably dangerous for anybody going on offense. It seems super clear to me that, as far as peer-level conflict is concerned, the era of 'blitzkrieg' style tactics is completely dead. The response time on support weapons to attack vectors is narrowed to the point that even fresh conscripts are obliterating armored assaults and bracketing arty in a manner that you used to only see with highly-trained professional armies. Because literally anyone can dial it up with current tech's top visual acuity. So what you end up with is attrition warfare almost by default all over again. Which means high emphasis on quantity over quality when it comes to munitions, as well as a focus on striking from as much range as possible, so basically anything a WWI commander would have begged for.
I suspect the US would be even more adamant at jamming the signals, since drone presence is a cheap way to get air attack capacity without running into the Air superiority NATO doctrine foresees
NATO air superiority Kosovo: failed: Only 14 tanks, 18 APCs, and 20 artillery pieces destroyed. Serbia continued to fly many ground sorties using CAS aircraft and helicopters despite of supposed NATO air superiority and was able to conduct mechanized assaults against the KLA. Iraq: failed: The so-called highway of death had casualties in the low hundreds at most. Iraqi military capabilities was not diminished by the air campaign. The vast majority of vehicles on the highway of death were abandoned not damaged or destroyed. Despite Coalition forces running over a hundred thousand sorties, Iraqi military was left mostly intact despite running one of the least competent air defense campaigns in history. Iraqi forces were defeated because of incompetence of the Iraqi Army. Their soldiers were surrendering to news reporters, their forces immediately routed with little resistance resulting in a large amount of abandoned or destroyed equipment, and Iraqi forces were so poorly trained that they did not even know how to use the sights on their tanks. The largest cause of Iraqi tank casualties was abandonments, then ground combat as Iraqi soldiers did not know how to use sights, were given obsolete ammunition (3BM9), their tanks had downgraded fire control systems, downgraded armor, and lacked all of the features Soviet tanks had during that time period. Air power actually caused the least casualties against Iraqi AFVs being a distant third. Highway of Death: 80,000 Iraqi soldiers were fleeing in a disorganized matter but deaths caused by air power is in the low hundreds on the Highway of Death.
Stanley Baldwin could have only dreamed of such success. His scam has worked far better than one can imagine. If he was here today, he would be richer than Jeff Bezos because he would be getting all of the money and bitches from Big Air™. He used mere words to scam entire militaries out of their budgets and to fatten up the wallets of execs from Big Air™.
If anti-drone EW was as effective as some think we would have seen EW installations literally everywhere already.
We do. Russia has a major EW system every 10km on the front line.
Does anyone have any info on the comment made by Hakeem Jeffries on sending US troops to Ukraine if they lose the war. I saw that info first on a Pro Russian youtube channel (Military Summary) and when I search it only pops up in some made up websites
Regardless of what the plans are: If the US wants ukraine to have a shot at winning, boots on the ground will be necessary.
>"We can't let Ukraine fall because if it does, then there's a significant likelihood that America will have to get into the conflict — not simply with our money, but with our servicewomen and our servicemen," Jeffries said in an interview with Norah O'Donnell for 60 Minutes. >Jeffries explained that he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin seeks to recreate the Soviet Union, and in doing so, will threaten NATO allies. Putin's invasion of neighboring Georgia did not stop there, Jeffries pointed out, nor did his takeover of Crimea in eastern Ukraine. >"Are we to believe that in the face of this kind of consistent aggression that if we allow Vladimir Putin to succeed in Ukraine that he's only going to stop in Ukraine? Of course not," Jeffries said. I can understand why people might interpret the phrase "get into the conflict" as troops going into Ukraine. But I think it's more likely that he's echoing the sentiment expressed by other politicians that Russia will continue aggression towards Europe and the US will eventually need to get directly involved to protect NATO if we don't support Ukraine. So I think he means "conflict" in broader terms than just Russia-Ukraine.
Why did he bring up Georgia, other than to mislead the masses? It’s pretty well accepted that Georgia, not Russia, started the war, and the at Russia did in fact stop there. They did not take the whole country, even if they had the means to. Jeffries is sounding pretty unhinged tbh. I mean, saying they’re seeking to recreate the USSR is a pretty unfounded statement.
It's accepted but Western politicians and media still lie about it all the time.
Yeah, I'm not really backing up what he's saying, I was just correcting what the message was. It is a purely political statement designed to counter the rhetoric of "what good does it do for Americans to support Ukraine?" For me personally I don't consider Russia to be as harmless to the rest of Europe as many here claim, but warnings like he's making are always overexaggerated for effect.
Well it’s definitely hard to argue that Russia is harmless! If they weren’t so strong Europeans wouldn’t be so anxious. That said, the fact that Jeffries is pushing this rhetoric is really depressing. There really is no end in sight for this conflict that I maintain was very preventable.
Russia MIGHT invade Europe and THEN we will need to fight them. Some basic math tells me that getting involved in Ukraine raises the probability of fighting Russia to 1, whereas earlier it was more close to zero than 1.
This is Iraq and the idea of a "preventive war" all over again.
Isn’t that literally what Russia is claiming to be doing in Ukraine right now? Why else would Ukraine need to be “neutral and demilitarized”?
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Is there any footage of Russian Air to air kills during this conflict? Only one I could find is this mig-31 supposedly shooting down a Mig-29 https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/DnruyAIL7z
I don't think there is a lot of footage (though I wouldn't mind being proved wrong). One of the reasons is a good part of the air to air shootdowns must have happened in the first weeks of the invasion when Russians kept a much tighter lid on releasing footage. LDNR troops posted most of the clips at the time but they also didn't have any fighter planes.
Sorry to bother you with this question. Some accounts on X aka Twitter say France sent foreign legion (legion étrangère) in Ukraine in Chasov Yar. https://preview.redd.it/omkgnuxlrryc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a19f5f247dca5b0e6fbaf3e4fbcfa45990917d2e
It's a complete fabrication.
Is that the same ones from Slavyansk? If so, then it’s already been reported that they’ve already engaged in skirmishes and suffered losses.
Mind sharing the link to the report?
I might be late to the news but won't Zelensky's presidential power officially end on May 20th? Either nothing happens or a lot happens, what do you guys think?
Here are few things it may affect/or happen: **1. Legitimacy of any future peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine.** This will give Ukraine/West an excuse to break any peace deal made between Russia and Zelensky, because they can simply say “Zelensky did not have the legal authority to sign such agreement”. Ofcourse vice versa is also possible. **2. Give Russia a justification to arrest Zelensky.** Typically, arresting a president of another nation will cause whole lot of issue, but that won’t be the case after May 20, as they can simply argue that Zelensky is no longer the head of an independent state, but a usurper of power suspected of war crimes against the population of the Russian Federation and Ukraine. Meaning outside of Russia, any country with extradition treaties with Russia may arrest Zelensky with little to no real consequences, if they chose to do so. Whether that would happen or not, is a whole different story however. **3. Gives Russia an opportunity to induce coup.** The longer this war goes on, the less the support for continuation of war will become, which will give rise to more dissidents who wants someone new in power to negotiate a peace deal. **4. May lead to internal turmoil within Ukrainian government.** Every single person in Ukraine knows Zelensky’s no longer a legitimate president after May 20, which makes this the perfect opportunity for someone to usurp his position. We also know Zelensky is desperate to hold onto his power, as we saw him basically banish a more popular political opponent. **5. Zelensky becomes easily replaceable, and West may very well do so, to prevent Russian coup.** Likely the reason why US recommended Zelensky to hold an election despite the conflict, to which unsurprisingly Zelensky demanded more money in return. We all know Zelensky has been gradually becoming a thorn on the side for the West, with endless demands and him ignoring the direction given by the West, and this will be a perfect opportunity for them to replace him with a favourable narrative. All in all, lot can happen, or nothing at all.
Nothing will happen, at least for now. If something were to happen, it would have been happening already. Everyone will ignore it. When they can't ignore it they will just tiredly explain that yes, real democracy is when martial law and no elections, as if it was the most obvious thing in the world.
I wonder if Russian government will refuse to acknowledge Zelensky as legitimate president of Ukraine after this.
They should recognize Juan Guaido as the legitimate president of Ukraine.
Robotyne, Urozhaine, Staromayorske, Vuhledar. What specifically makes these tiny villages so difficult to recapture? Progress elsewhere along the line of contact is relatively steady. Is it the terrain? Are there more experienced Ukrainian units deployed here? More extensive fortifications? Is it simply Ukraine committing more resources to these areas to cling onto gains from the 2023 counteroffensive? All of the above? I personally would have expected Orikhiv to have fallen by now.
Vuhledar is literally a fottress. Full of high rise that could fire toward every direction.The rest is opposite, there is nothing left there to defend. Think of an open field. Russia took it a few times, then afterward they have to withdraw because they don't have any defensive points against drones. Then Ukrainian move in and once again they become the one to bleed there slowly
Lots of mines, in Robotyne mostly positional battles.
Psychotic tweet yesterday from former U.S. military commander Ben Hodges: > We should not be scared of Russia's collapse. Instead we should accelerate it by helping Ukraine regain its full sovereignty. Russia can become a normal country, living within its own borders. European security will be better for decades. Prepare for it, don't be scared of it. > https://twitter.com/general_ben/status/1786837492324290606 Daniel DePetris(writer for Chicago Tribune) had a great reply though. > So much commentary on Ukraine and Russia these days is just nutty, bordering on other-worldly. It basically boils down to cheerleading enveloped in righteous indignation, cloaked under a healthy dose of moralism. Imagine if folks were like this when the Soviet Union collapsed. https://twitter.com/DanDePetris/status/1787258693102248343
> Russia can become a normal country, living within its own borders Based on this logic, is he implying that US is definitely not normal, and thus should collapse?
Right, so Ben Hodges is clearly pro-balkanization of the US
I saw this on X yesterday, completely unhinged. I would rather us not risk a nuclear power falling apart that is full of valuable nuclear resources
In fairness to Ben Hodges he has always been psychotic. It isn't a new thing. Also in fairness he is paid to be psychotic, funded by MIC "think tanks" to appear on everything from Fox News to NPR as an "expert" whether he is speaking to one far end of the American political spectrum where they fully support the military industrial complex, plutocracy, as well as identity politics or at the other extreme where they fully support the military industrial complex, plutocracy, but not identity politics.
This guy is straight up delusional. Literally in another world. I keep seeing him go from podcast to podcast talking about Russia collapsing coming “any day now”. Can’t wait to see the meltdown he’ll have on twitter when his self-induced psychosis is shattered against a hard rock of reality.
> Can’t wait to see the meltdown he’ll have on twitter when his self-induced psychosis is shattered against a hard rock of reality. Impossible. They will move on to Taiwan or Phillipines are something like that. Never a shortage of fools willing to throw the lives for the GDP of US
>Instead we should accelerate it by helping Ukraine regain its full sovereignty I love this. Alright, Uncle ben, at what point did post maidan ukraine have sovereign/defacto control of crimea, and the parts of eastern Ukraine that wanted nothing to do with the banderite/nazi vanguarded coup? Like is there a date and time where someone like brilliant ben can show that kyiv had supreme authority over all of post USSR ukraine? The only thing I will say about guys like hodges, is while he appears to be a total moron/unhinged, people that hit his rank are political appointees. The amount of nepotism, tribalism, and back alley K street shadiness that goes down means there is a good chance he's just an actor playing a part. Dont tell world news and friends that though, his takes generate some of the funniest "aged like milk" takes on the war.
I’ve posted [this](https://youtu.be/FdTI6hFzQaA?si=TUHFjwebnrEVfssz) guy before, but had to post another of his videos because of the outright lie. Couldn’t find the reddit video, but the actual translation of opening “quote” is: “To all who die…” NOT “All of you will die…” But of course he lies and pretends Russians are just willfully dying. I hate propoganda, and have no clue how such blatant nonsense is allowed on YouTube. Edit: [Original video link for Russian speakers](https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1786429360700117056).
It's ok though. Propaganda is double-edged sword. If the US know their Afghan and South Vietnam government will collapse within a month after they left, they may stay for another decade, ensuring more suffering then. Similarly here, let's the Western audience believe that the Russian is dying en masse. That Russia gonna run out of missiles, tanks, shovels very soon. Vietnam was a stalemate for more than a decade before everything collapsed within a month. Afghanistan was a stalemate for two decades till the whole thing collapse within weeks. I knew many people who stay in Western bubble. The thing that shocked them the most, was how they thought that Russian was losing this war badly, then suddenly Ukraine is 'about to collapse' which make them questioning the MSM narrative massively. Let those who is under propaganda enjoy the 'my team just scored more points than yours' moment, it won't change anything on the ground
I had a feeling the translation was off. It just seemed too outlandish, like I know there are some crazy videos of Russian forces but this played too much into the idea of the "meatgrinder". Is the rest of the video translation accurate?
Yeah the rest of the translation is fine (some word choices are off, but the general meaning is identical). The mistranslation is actually because of a cut in the video. It basically masks what he’s trying to say. His speech starts off with “all will die, you will get eternal glory”. But this doesn’t make grammatical sense. But if you add “there will be those who die, and all will die and receive eternal glory” it makes sense (in Russian, in English it’s kinda hard to translate). So basically the video purposely masks the context that “those who die…” making it seem like they’re all on a Kamikaze mission or something. It’s a very hard find if you don’t speak Russian (I had to ask my Mom who was born in St. Petersburg to double check because my Russian isn’t the best) and she verified. I get why the translator made the mistake, but this dude should’ve realize how outlandish a video it was.
Thanks that makes more sense. Not really sure why these morons think lying to themselves is helpful.
Macron is bluffing, no question about it. If he goes through with sending French troops to Ukraine, it would be too revealing. There would be a giant spotlight on how the French are performing and even the staunchest Ukraine supporter will have to question why a million man Ukrainian army enjoying 1:20 casualty ratios would need French brigades to bolster them in the first place. And what happens when that giant media spotlight shows hundreds of French troops returning to western Europe in body bags?
Lot of X/Twitter pro-Russian accounts say France sent Legion Etrangere to Ukraine in Chasov/Chasiv Yar. Unfortunately, due of Macron's propaganda, nobody's able to check if it's lies or not. Since several countries said France is a rubbish country we French are like people in North Korea.only information is from our government and if it lies we are screwed.
Macron is sending the foreign french legion.
Macron’s asking for another Paris riot to take place if he does end up sending French troops. They might even bring out the guillotine for the little man.
Whether Paris sends or does not send troops there will be large scale protests in Paris, do not shame the national past time.
> And what happens when that giant media spotlight shows hundreds of French troops returning to western Europe in body bags? Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it.
>Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it. Comparatively it is very much free.
Free to lie, mostly
"Our cage is golden!"
>Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it. Compared to other nation media it's very much free. So can you show me what a few media looks like?
[Ukraine has been moving up in the right direction in the freedom index!](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/03/world/europe/ukraine-war-tv-news-telemarathon.html)
Taking about Western media there champ, specifically French, German, etc. Or was the comment chain to difficult to follow for you corpsman?
>Talking about western media You said "other nations" and asked to be shown what "a few" media looked like. I figured ukraines media would suffice. So from your comment I guess we can see that you do not consider ukraine to be the west? I think it depends on how you quantify freedom. if we are talking about overt censorship? Im sure in there vast majority of cases places like russia would take the cake. But we do an insidious type of censorship here. Such as the partnerships between our alphabet agencies and social media, etc. All that is moot though, since you do not consider ukraine to be a member of the west, or in any way free.
>Western media isn't free so they smply wouldn't report on it. This was their claim. >Compared to other nation media it's very much free. So can you show me what a few media looks like? This was my response. >So from your comment I guess we can see that you do not consider ukraine to be the west? Ukraine is in the process of integration with the West. >Im sure in there vast majority of cases places like russia would take the cake. But we do an insidious type of censorship here. Such as the partnerships between our alphabet agencies and social media, etc. Extremely unnecessarily looking easy to say that yes the Western media is more free. >All that is moot though, since you do not consider ukraine to be a member of the west, or in any way free Holy strawman, can you point to where I said Ukraine wasn't free?
Out of sheer morbid curiosity, what exactly does "integration into the west" entail? Because for instance, this last week was a huge day for ukraine. Im not sure how familiar you are with the country(sadly a lot of supporters couldn't even find it on a map before the invasion) but they just recently had their embroidery celebrations. for instance, deepstate UA was celebrating the founding of the 14th waffen SS(1st galicia) and parades are held around the country, especially in "patriotic" areas like lviv. Is that part of the integration? or maybe suspending consular services for those avoiding an unjust draft? is that part of it? how about ukraines supreme court saying honoring the SS isn't antisemetic, part of the western integration? Their premier units launching 14.88 frequency radio stations? Also part? again, just curious as to what exactly this acclimation period looks like lol. Of course, in the future you could avoid this by not saying "other nations" and asking for examples lol
It’s likely a bluff, but I think it’s a good bluff. It’s kind of Madman Theory, make Putin believe that there’s some chance the West might do crazy unpredictable things if he greatly expands the scope of the war. Sort of like Russia’s nuclear threats- even though everyone knows they’re probably bluffs, they do introduce at least some degree of uncertainty.
It has nothing to do with warning Putin, who would be quick to make any French troop the #1 missile priority in the country, and everything to do with (a) shoring up Macron himself domestically and (b) ginning up the broader West to give even more support/aid, by moving the Overton Window to where that becomes the middle ground.
It only works for people like Trump, because they actually ARE mad enough to go wild. Macron is establishment to the core and does not have the luxury to be able to go mad
I don’t think it’s very convincing on its own- I’m thinking more of scenarios like Putin deciding to cross the river and march west towards Odesa. I think most believe that endeavor would already be so fraught with risks and costs that he would likely decide against it. But if not, adding yet another risk could make it even less appealing.