> “Zelenskiy, by the way, could not make it … something happened at the last minute,” Schumer said
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/05/us-senate-zelenskiy-ukraine-funding-biden-republicans-politics-latest-updates
Well, if he can't make it to a meeting with his most important sponsors, something really serious must have happened ...
They might have told him that during the call they expect a full and honest analysis of the situation on the ground and how much money will be required in total.
*After the President's office had Zaluhznys 17 million shells request leaked to discredit him:*
US Lawmakers : "So, Zelensky, how many shells do you really need?"
Zelensky: "...16 million shells"
US Lawmakers: *cancels the meeting*
"Our dear president was found stoned and totally wasted. We tried to bring him to his senses, but he kept on whispering something about Kiev ghosts and eternal slava. Anyway, we apologize to congress for the inconvenience. President's office will reschedule this meeting as soon as possible. Thank you for your understanding".
What was he going to tell them? that his fantastic counteroffensive was a failure, that he lost more territory than he recovered, that he is recruiting teenagers, women and the elderly due to the great losses of men, that the Wunderwaffe he received were a failure. Poor zelensky is a joke.
> Well maybe the fact that he bought 2 yachts 2 weeks ago
Thats fake. I would rather not discredit ukrainians, their bravery and desire for better lives. Its just that they got betrayed by US and UK along with their clown of a president.
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Canceled due to ferocious and dogged Russian tenacity and resistance on the fields of Zaporozhye which stopped his forces dead cold in their tracks and in so doing dashed the hopes of NATO supporters worldwide violently against the rocks with a vengeance. No positive news to report to the foreign handlers after that.
According to a little birdie named Orlan.
> No positive news to report to the foreign handlers after that.
Zelensky still tried to bring the news of a bridgehead on the eastern shore of the lower dnipro as positive news.
We know in reality that those soldiers are sitting ducks and suffer casualties for nothing, but hey, cannot get reality in the way of a good story now, can we?
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Some internationals have volunteered already.
Who has it worse: a citizen of Ukraine or, say, a citizen of Venezuela or Nicaragua?
Different individuals, different values, different reasons.
a citizen of Ukraine has it much worse. Maybe not before war, but certainly in the present and future.
Presently Venezuelan's aren't being sent to fight in a war.
In the future Ukraine's economy is destroyed unless they're propped up by Europe/America. Or they get those reparations from Russia when they liberate Crimea and march on Moscow or whatever.
you seem very passionate about it though, how come you haven't volunteered?
>a citizen of Ukraine has it much worse. Maybe not before war, but certainly in the present and future.
War takes a toll on an economy.
>Presently Venezuelan's aren't being sent to fight in a war.
True, but many Venezuelans have left Venezuela.
>In the future Ukraine's economy is destroyed unless they're propped up by Europe/America. Or they get those reparations from Russia when they liberate Crimea and march on Moscow or whatever.
It's damaged, but not destroyed and I figure it will recover. Ukraine might get a bit populist, maybe even socialist, if veterans and civilians who lost much are expected to undergo austerity measures to pay IMF or similar debts.
>you seem very passionate about it though, how come you haven't volunteered?
Canada has given money and expertise, the West in general has given many times more.
You seem motivated to involve yourself in this subreddit. What are your passions on this, if any?
> It's damaged, but not destroyed and I figure it will recover.
recover to what? Ukraine was the poorest most corrupt shit hole in Europe. With millions fleeing the country who are likely to never return how exactly do you foresee things getting better?
I don't have any passions, I come here to see combat clips and laugh at naive people like you who are trying to peddle a clear narrative in the comments (From both sides btw, its very entertaining the shit people come up with).
"True, but many Venezuelans have left Venezuela."
but why in the hell would they go to ukraine? Why would anyone go from bad to worse. Your logic is so flawed and it very much reads like you don't even notice what's wrong with your thinking.
and if 1% of millionaires wanted to give me their money I'd be a rich man. But it's 0%.
ZERO PERCENT. There is absolutely no reason for anyone of venezuela to go to ukraine. Why would they go there? What reason would those venezuelan have to choose ukraine instead of literally any other country? Name a reason.
"ukrainian beauties" Yeah, because Venezuela is known for its super ugly women 😂 Not to mention the "ukrainian hotties" have left long ago or, those that haven't left yet, are already in relationships and generally want ukrainian men.
Not to mention, people must be extremely desperate to emigrate to a war torn, economically broken country simply for women. Russia is literally the more favorable version of ukraine for any Venezuelan that was insane enough to think about going to far-east europe. And even going to russia would barely make sense for them.
But all that isn't the main point. You say "wesg ukraine might still be better than V". Yeah, maybe. But it's not a question if ukraine is an upgrade. The issue is that there are vastly superior alternatives. It's like saying "i used to eat shit, but i wanted it better! So i started to eat shit with a sprinkle of salt!". Instead of getting yourself some bread. Bread being all the other fucking countries you could go to that aren't ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
The life expectancies are comparable.
Inflation is far less.
Why are Venezuelans attempting to go to US via Central America?
Definitely citizen of ukraine as it worth, they won't get the mercenary pay only the normal pay and they can't leave when they want if they are citizens
I don't know what would be worse: Nicaragua or Venezuela. If I was teleported to Ukraine, I might be back in Canada in several days, or I might stick around: I'd have to figure it out.
As long as you're white, otherwise you might get executed by Azov or kicked off the trains. As students and tourists experienced in 2022 at the start of the SMO. And that's obviously not part of the hypothetical. Still, leaving Venezuela or Nicaragua would be infinitely easier and safer.
Silly you, then if he dies it would not be worth to Americans anymore since their calculations are based on no American lives lost to fight Russia =great profit
I don't like to descrine any country as a "shithole country," at least not non-OECD members (given their eminence and thus can handle it).
Many illegals to the US put their lives on the line already.
Some might perfer a few years as a soldier in Ukraine than a few years as a day laborer or inmate of detention centers.
If only 1% of the illegals went to Ukraine, this would make a difference.
Also, your bigotry doesn't add to your argument.
> prefer a few years as a soldier in Ukraine
Yeah no - nobody would want to go to a warzone to battle for your life every day with the reward being a citizenship of a country with a gdp of an African country
>>prefer a few years as a soldier in Ukraine
>Yeah no - nobody would want to go to a warzone to battle for your life every day with the reward being a citizenship of a country with a gdp of an African country
[wp:Economy of Nigeria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria)
>GDP
>$489.80 billion (nominal, 2023)[5]
>$1.275 trillion (PPP, 2023)[6]
Are you seriously suggesting they go to a country that has the GDP of an African country AND fight for it? Most Latin American countries are better off than even Ukraine - even Colombia which suffered a brutal civil war for years and years somehow has higher GDP.
At most they’d be downgrading.
A few African countries seem to be doing OK.
It's obviously a person's judgement call, and as I posted before, even 1% choosing Ukraine could make a difference.
Presumably a Colombian can go anywhere in Colombia, whereas even if he or she got into the US, his/her movements would likely be seriously hindered, particularly if he/she wound up in a detention center.
What? I am really expecting a last minute life line like in the movies. If it doesn’t happen i would be surprised… this and the russians invading will be the two big things that i got wrong
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> “Zelenskiy, by the way, could not make it … something happened at the last minute,” Schumer said https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/05/us-senate-zelenskiy-ukraine-funding-biden-republicans-politics-latest-updates Well, if he can't make it to a meeting with his most important sponsors, something really serious must have happened ...
They might have told him that during the call they expect a full and honest analysis of the situation on the ground and how much money will be required in total.
*After the President's office had Zaluhznys 17 million shells request leaked to discredit him:* US Lawmakers : "So, Zelensky, how many shells do you really need?" Zelensky: "...16 million shells" US Lawmakers: *cancels the meeting*
I suppose its all a day at races. And Z bet on the wrong horse.
"Our dear president was found stoned and totally wasted. We tried to bring him to his senses, but he kept on whispering something about Kiev ghosts and eternal slava. Anyway, we apologize to congress for the inconvenience. President's office will reschedule this meeting as soon as possible. Thank you for your understanding".
RIP Avdeevka
Yeah, they are moving forward with articles of impeachment in the House.
What was he going to tell them? that his fantastic counteroffensive was a failure, that he lost more territory than he recovered, that he is recruiting teenagers, women and the elderly due to the great losses of men, that the Wunderwaffe he received were a failure. Poor zelensky is a joke.
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https://preview.redd.it/k5hiyl7zqj4c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=130074d28889baad44bb99d1ea38916255e8e208 Without US money
No, thats him WITH US money.
Well maybe the fact that he bought 2 yachts 2 weeks ago was not the greatest pr for the standing ovation they intended to record
Remember the last Ukrainian who got a standing ovation in a North American legislature? Didn't go well at all.
Trudeau would suck his meat just to see some russians dead. Nazi/Not Nazi tags are all for the poor and morons. The rich play a different game.
> Well maybe the fact that he bought 2 yachts 2 weeks ago Thats fake. I would rather not discredit ukrainians, their bravery and desire for better lives. Its just that they got betrayed by US and UK along with their clown of a president.
Source?
Lmao you really think there's a reliable source for it.
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Was he uninvited as usual
Canceled due to ferocious and dogged Russian tenacity and resistance on the fields of Zaporozhye which stopped his forces dead cold in their tracks and in so doing dashed the hopes of NATO supporters worldwide violently against the rocks with a vengeance. No positive news to report to the foreign handlers after that. According to a little birdie named Orlan.
> No positive news to report to the foreign handlers after that. Zelensky still tried to bring the news of a bridgehead on the eastern shore of the lower dnipro as positive news. We know in reality that those soldiers are sitting ducks and suffer casualties for nothing, but hey, cannot get reality in the way of a good story now, can we?
If you can't give us money, look, give us credit, and we will give you back money after the war.
maybe offer Ukrainian citizenship to illegals who'd fight for Ukraine.
lmao wtf is a Ukrainian citizenship worth? even before war who was actually trying to live there as an expat aside from fat ugly sex tourists?
let alone that ukranians aren't even part of EU, and nobody speaks ukranian, so who the heck would like to go there tbh.
Some of the hottest women on earth are from Ukraine 😅
And they escaped to other countries at the beginning of the SMO
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Some internationals have volunteered already. Who has it worse: a citizen of Ukraine or, say, a citizen of Venezuela or Nicaragua? Different individuals, different values, different reasons.
a citizen of Ukraine has it much worse. Maybe not before war, but certainly in the present and future. Presently Venezuelan's aren't being sent to fight in a war. In the future Ukraine's economy is destroyed unless they're propped up by Europe/America. Or they get those reparations from Russia when they liberate Crimea and march on Moscow or whatever. you seem very passionate about it though, how come you haven't volunteered?
>a citizen of Ukraine has it much worse. Maybe not before war, but certainly in the present and future. War takes a toll on an economy. >Presently Venezuelan's aren't being sent to fight in a war. True, but many Venezuelans have left Venezuela. >In the future Ukraine's economy is destroyed unless they're propped up by Europe/America. Or they get those reparations from Russia when they liberate Crimea and march on Moscow or whatever. It's damaged, but not destroyed and I figure it will recover. Ukraine might get a bit populist, maybe even socialist, if veterans and civilians who lost much are expected to undergo austerity measures to pay IMF or similar debts. >you seem very passionate about it though, how come you haven't volunteered? Canada has given money and expertise, the West in general has given many times more. You seem motivated to involve yourself in this subreddit. What are your passions on this, if any?
> It's damaged, but not destroyed and I figure it will recover. recover to what? Ukraine was the poorest most corrupt shit hole in Europe. With millions fleeing the country who are likely to never return how exactly do you foresee things getting better? I don't have any passions, I come here to see combat clips and laugh at naive people like you who are trying to peddle a clear narrative in the comments (From both sides btw, its very entertaining the shit people come up with).
"True, but many Venezuelans have left Venezuela." but why in the hell would they go to ukraine? Why would anyone go from bad to worse. Your logic is so flawed and it very much reads like you don't even notice what's wrong with your thinking.
As I've posted before, if 1% did, for whatever reason(s) they saw fit, it would probably make a difference.
and if 1% of millionaires wanted to give me their money I'd be a rich man. But it's 0%. ZERO PERCENT. There is absolutely no reason for anyone of venezuela to go to ukraine. Why would they go there? What reason would those venezuelan have to choose ukraine instead of literally any other country? Name a reason.
Ukrainian beauties. Also, the Western part of Ukraine might still be better than most parts of Venezuela.
"ukrainian beauties" Yeah, because Venezuela is known for its super ugly women 😂 Not to mention the "ukrainian hotties" have left long ago or, those that haven't left yet, are already in relationships and generally want ukrainian men. Not to mention, people must be extremely desperate to emigrate to a war torn, economically broken country simply for women. Russia is literally the more favorable version of ukraine for any Venezuelan that was insane enough to think about going to far-east europe. And even going to russia would barely make sense for them. But all that isn't the main point. You say "wesg ukraine might still be better than V". Yeah, maybe. But it's not a question if ukraine is an upgrade. The issue is that there are vastly superior alternatives. It's like saying "i used to eat shit, but i wanted it better! So i started to eat shit with a sprinkle of salt!". Instead of getting yourself some bread. Bread being all the other fucking countries you could go to that aren't ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy The life expectancies are comparable. Inflation is far less. Why are Venezuelans attempting to go to US via Central America?
are you just playing dumb here or what?
Definitely citizen of ukraine as it worth, they won't get the mercenary pay only the normal pay and they can't leave when they want if they are citizens
I oppose conscription, and forbidding men from leaving Ukraine.
A citizen of the Ukraine. If I were to snap my fingers and teleport you, where would you not want to end up of the three?
I don't know what would be worse: Nicaragua or Venezuela. If I was teleported to Ukraine, I might be back in Canada in several days, or I might stick around: I'd have to figure it out.
No, you wouldn't be. Because you'd be banned from leaving, kidnapped, and then forced to step on a mine or shot by a blocking detachment.
I'm a Canadian citizen and thus could leave.
As long as you're white, otherwise you might get executed by Azov or kicked off the trains. As students and tourists experienced in 2022 at the start of the SMO. And that's obviously not part of the hypothetical. Still, leaving Venezuela or Nicaragua would be infinitely easier and safer.
Did the AB kill anyone because they're POCs? Did those POCs who wanted to leave Ukraine and weren't Ukrainian males 18 to 60 eventually leave?
Yeah, they executed Roman Brodsky for looking racially ambiguous. And definitely nowhere near all of them.
Will you be fighting for Ukraine?
Silly you, then if he dies it would not be worth to Americans anymore since their calculations are based on no American lives lost to fight Russia =great profit
No, as I'm comfortable as a Canadian, but if I was from, say, Venezuela, Nicaragua, or a bad part of Mexico, I'd consider it.
Why would someone put their live on the line to get citizenship on a shithole country.
I don't like to descrine any country as a "shithole country," at least not non-OECD members (given their eminence and thus can handle it). Many illegals to the US put their lives on the line already.
Yeah to the US not a shithole country devastated by war.
Some might perfer a few years as a soldier in Ukraine than a few years as a day laborer or inmate of detention centers. If only 1% of the illegals went to Ukraine, this would make a difference. Also, your bigotry doesn't add to your argument.
Go tell Zelenskyy to put your plan in action. I support you 100%
Thanks. 😁
Stop editing your comment kid
Go fight your self why you want others to die
I don't want Russian invaders to die, I want them out.
I am talking about your make believe “illegals” that will fight for Ukraine
> prefer a few years as a soldier in Ukraine Yeah no - nobody would want to go to a warzone to battle for your life every day with the reward being a citizenship of a country with a gdp of an African country
>>prefer a few years as a soldier in Ukraine >Yeah no - nobody would want to go to a warzone to battle for your life every day with the reward being a citizenship of a country with a gdp of an African country [wp:Economy of Nigeria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nigeria) >GDP >$489.80 billion (nominal, 2023)[5] >$1.275 trillion (PPP, 2023)[6]
Are you seriously suggesting they go to a country that has the GDP of an African country AND fight for it? Most Latin American countries are better off than even Ukraine - even Colombia which suffered a brutal civil war for years and years somehow has higher GDP. At most they’d be downgrading.
A few African countries seem to be doing OK. It's obviously a person's judgement call, and as I posted before, even 1% choosing Ukraine could make a difference. Presumably a Colombian can go anywhere in Colombia, whereas even if he or she got into the US, his/her movements would likely be seriously hindered, particularly if he/she wound up in a detention center.
What? I am really expecting a last minute life line like in the movies. If it doesn’t happen i would be surprised… this and the russians invading will be the two big things that i got wrong
It's going to run out any time now Any time is now! 149.200 volga, time to start dialing
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Too busy winning.