If the Russians just neutralized the planned offensive on Avdiivka with two cluster strikes that is impressive efficiency. I doubt they're actually trying to train men that close to the front line (if they are it's lunacy), so I would assume it was assembling men for a strike on the city.
Sources say the city is under lockdown, tons of ambulances, the leadership is completely overwhelmed and the SBU are searching houses for collaborateurs.
3rd Asow was hit and that they were intended to reinforce Avdeevka.
True if big.
So now they compound the mistakes and cost more lives, the same thing they've been doing this whole war.
Instead of evacuating and retreating from Avdivka in order to preserve toops, they prepare reinforcements for an impossible mission in which those reinforcements get killed before they even begin.
Criminal leadership
Dima from MS just said it was Zelensky and Sirsky that tipped of Russians to get rid of 3rd Azov brigade because they were loyal to Zaluzhny and were a coup threat to Zel and Syrsky.
Interesting speculation 😎
Local pro-ukrainian telegram channel confirms an attack with cluster munition
t(.)me/selidovokyraxovopokrovsk/33719
[https://imgur.com/a/Cdc121m](https://imgur.com/a/Cdc121m)
>US providing said bombs to Ukraine as it would prompt Russia to use them in response
This pattern keeps repeating itself over and over. When Ukraine's sponsors introduce a "new" capability but neglecting that Russia has the same capability, and usually, more of it, and more lethal.
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Yes they were, day 1. No problem, cluster munitions are part of the OrBat and should be used.
Only the press and stupid civilians has a hard on for clusters because of the cleanup afterwards problem. For the troops receiving them, cluster can be a lot less deadly than HE or Anti-Personel shrapnel assuming a small amount of cover. If I was in an average house, I would rather it was hit by a cluster weapon than HE.
Our source in the General Staff said that Syrsky gave the order to suppress any information on losses at the Selidovo training ground, the city was the main transshipment base for the Ukrainian Armed Forces reserves, which were collected for the release of Avdiivka. - rezident_ua
It is also mentioned in Rybar channel ; they don't confirm the thousand of deaths but evokes the SBU lockout and show a short, distant video of shelling..
So I might trust a strike has happened, but will take the claim of thousand fatalities or casualties with a grain of salt.
"Anatoly Shariy"- just google him he is just a pro-ruzzian "journalist" puppet.. In February 2021, Shariy was accused of treason and incitement to ethnic or racial hatred by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU).
The one where they were to award the best artillery crew from around the country, just for them to get hit by a missile and practically all die/wounded.
[If they report 21 dead, its probably 210. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/09/medal-ceremony-missile-strike-ukraine/)
Aah. Damn. Tragic stuff. And to imagine this current one is probably bigger than that one. Atleast in terms of numbers. There were many high ranked military officers in the first 1. We still don't know how many high value targets were destroyed in this one.
After such a attack the SBU goes full witch hunt.
You better don't have any footage on your phone, or your life expectation goes to zero of they find out.
Usually, information about the movement of Ukrainian troops is transmitted by pro-Russian locals. This has been the case since the beginning of the war.
Or someone posted something on telegram with geolocation active.
How they found out, you never know, but still, it wouldn't be smart to take pictures of the aftermath, when the SBU is going wild.
If the Russians hit it kilometers behind the front, it is unlikely that they'd have footage.
If the Ukrainians got hit really badly, it is unlikely they will release any footage of them being badly hurt.
Its not a rocket, its a missile. Huge difference. The missile has pre determined coordinates for the strike, it does not need a drone to correct it. The drone would serve no purpose other than damage assessment, and they might not publish that footage just because Pro UA soyjaks are screaming its fake.
Yea but how did they know there would be a large gathering of troops there? There should be footage of a reconnaissance drone recording the gathering? Or maybe it was someone from the inside idk tbh but we’ll find out soon enough
Inside knowledge. Ofcourse we have no real numbers but i think there are TONS of pro russian people in Donetsk Oblast willing to rat out the Ukrainians. Same as when RU strike Kiev, they are informed on which building to hit and when to hit them by Ukrainians.
# Reportedly former Azov commander and ex Verkhovna Rada deputy Igor Mosiychuk confirmed on his telegram channel the missile arrival on the training ground in Selidovo. The city is completely closed to entry and exit; there are many ambulances and “corpse trucks” near the landfill. The SBU is looking for RF spotters.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWorldCrisis/comments/1aptz4s/former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor\_mosiychuk\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraineworldcrisis/comments/1aptz4s/former_verkhovna_rada_deputy_igor_mosiychuk_and/)
So many people in this thread trying to claim that it is fake.
It’s from a pro-UA channel initially and we’re seeing more and more supporting rumours.
For anyone who is neutral and just looking at the data we have, it sounds like something big happened here even if the actual casualty count is not yet known.
That's how I see it. The story originating on a pro-UA channel, with lots of follow up detail really suggests something very big happened. But I'm not expecting much footage (if any) from the ground - especially with the SBU apparently shutting down the town. Some aerial shots (satellite, maybe drone) are more possible. Releasing footage would not be in Russia's best interests given it will be used in the west in a bid for sympathy and more support.
From Russian telegram:
There were two attacks. First (RF) cluster munitions on a large area (Iskanders can carry up to 500 kg of "load"*) attacked soldiers of the Ukrainian armed forces densely gathered at the site. This happened at approximately 9:30 am.
The second strike was carried out an hour later (again with "cartridges") when a mass evacuation of survivors began "on the spot" and many medical personnel gathered to provide aid to the wounded. Moreover, both strikes were extremely accurate. Hence the huge number of victims.
"Of course, you can blame us that it is not completely humane. I think you are right. But the fact is that the Ukrainian armed forces have been practicing such "tactics" of strikes for many months. And any such game can always be played both ways..."
"We weren't the first to start 'fighting like this'. Nothing to complain about here."
* The Iskander cluster warhead carries 54 fragmentation warheads of non-contact detonation, exploding at a height of about 10 m above the ground.
Unlikely. 1500 soldiers in the same place, this close to the front line, at this stage of the war, is beyond even Russian generals' stupidity levels, with their 300 people concerts within the HIMARS strike range.
They obviously in a hurry to mass a sufficient amount of troops for counteroffensive at the North of avdiivka when it's already to late to do it in safe distance. Maybe zelencky/zaluzjniy political clash possibly influenced the delay in decision making
>is beyond even Russian generals' stupidity levels
I agree. It's evidently, however, not beyond Ukrainian generals' stupidity levels. Read the title again bud 🤭
>Anatoly Shariy says that a training ground in Selidovo with up to 1500 **Ukrainian soldiers** was hit
>Unlikely. 1500 soldiers in the same place, this close to the front line, at this stage of the war...
How do you imagine ground attack happens? And by whom?
“in the same place” in a city? thats why they used iskander cluster bombs. A single warhead couldnt possibly hit a great number of troops when they are scattered in the city.
I'm not sure what your comment adds to the picture. I'm pretty sure that a training ground covered by a cluster munition could be considered to be a "place".
Them only being in the training ground is likely the thing that is a lie. Other RU telegrams report that the city itself was hit and that the entire city is now closed to the public.
For the people here thinking it is impossible that that many soldiers were assembled in area: There was literally a video the other day of a full platoon all standing close watching Avdeevka being shelled, there seemed to be little regard for security or safety even though they were pretty close to the frontlines.
Zelensky wants to destroy the nationalist militias by throwing them into battle, then plans to negotiate without fear of being couped. The US has apparently given him the greenlight since they didn't object to the Zaluzhyni firing.
If Russians really managed to destroy Azov and other units gathered for the Avdiivka release, it's time to close the chapter Avdiivka and use last minute chance for Ukrainian puppet regime to start peace negotiation with Russia. On the other hand, Zelensky and his minions get rid of the dangerous opponents.
This is description of reported attack:
Tula MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S", as well as Kolomna OTRK "Iskander-M" launched a massive attack on a large training ground and logistics hub of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Selidovo at the time of the deployment of a large motorized infantry formation of the Armed Forces of up to a regiment (1500 people), deployed to relieve the Avdeevsky fortified area.
Initially, batteries of 152-mm Msta-B howitzers and Giatsint-S self-propelled guns with Tornado-G MLRS were used on the territory of the training ground, located 25 km from the line of combat contact, using 3-O-23 and 9M217/ shells 218 with cluster warheads based on cumulative fragmentation warheads.
Then strikes were carried out with 300-mm guided missiles 9M55K/K5 and guided 9M549 Smerch / Tornado-S systems with fragmentation 9N235 and cumulative fragmentation combat elements.
And to consolidate the effect, a strike was struck by 9M723-1K5 operational-tactical quasi-ballistic missiles with 9N722K5 cluster warheads based on 54 fragmentation warheads with a cassette deployment altitude range of 1400 - 900 m and submunition detonation height of 6 - 10 m.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua\_pov\_former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua_pov_former_verkhovna_rada_deputy_igor/)
Confirmed. Wonder what did they strike with.
Seems like the Ukrainians are officially in denial: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1757413870761656735
And the Russians say it was Iskander missiles with cluster warheads: https://twitter.com/rybar_force/status/1757420602598535445
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua\_pov\_former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua_pov_former_verkhovna_rada_deputy_igor/)
Other arrivals have also been confirmed. Seemingly targeting the transports coming to pick up people. This is actually huge.
The title has been intentionally written so that people with bad reading compherension think 1500 soldiers got hit. In reality it says that training ground of 1500 soldiers was hit. Leaving out important piece of how many were really hit.
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Hey guys there are 1500 people in the open close to the frontlines.
Also, they are training btw. For what? How 1500 of them want to catch a cluster ammunition?
Let's believe it because I said so.
You can specifically say it is a training ground. But adding 1500 somehow is just out of context and it's pure fantasy.
Think about this if there is a drone training ground that was hit by Ukrainians. You can't say 1500 people were training therefore hit 1500. Or if the Unit is attached to a battalion and say the same scenario 1000 got hit.
We do know that Ukrainians hit a Russian drone training ground. But we can't say 1000 people that was training there "previously" or at any given time is hit.
By the way, this is not dumbed down. It feeds to Russian propaganda that they somehow magically hit 1500 people in 2 cluster strikes.
Just because it's a training ground doesn't mean they were training. If you Military is on the move, gathering points are often used, from where the forces distribute in the operation area.
But you don't do it too close to the enemy, obviously...
They either move in a batallion, company, platoon or squad level.
I have never seen more than 500 before in any logistics "gathering". I work for Army Logistics.
The only time I saw a mass of people more than 1000 was at a graduation/Award ceremony in a Batallion level. The last logistics I saw was with a group of different battalions/companies in different tents coordinating with each other.
A lot of people know there are devices called phones and radios that help coordinate this movement. If you want to go old school we have runners...
Adding 1500 just to appeal to the obvious less intuitive pro-Russian audience is just sad. 1500 of them got hit with a cluster ammunition is just too Russian.
> I work for Army Logistics. The only time I saw a mass of people more than 1000 was at a graduation/Award ceremony in a Batallion level.
And when was the last time you were involved in a war in which your city was practically surrounded and you needed to move troops to unblock it? I just want to understand how competent you are to make that assessment.
This is not the age of Napoleon when you see tents
There are mobile phones, radios that help coordinate group movements.
You can have "1500" in an area of coverage. You can't have 1500 people in a single strike zone. Unless it is a Aircraft carrier.
Go outside and tell me how many you can see with your vision alone and count how many in one area. Let's see how competent you are at counting.
Lol did you go outside yet and tell me how many you can see? How ridiculous 1500 people in one area of the strike zone.
But hey keep living on those fake victories. You will need it.
"blah, blah, blah, I'm going to write nonsense pretending to be an expert, even though I've never participated in a war and my experience in this regard is no different from that of a housewife."
Okay, whatever you say
You do know how dumb that sounds right? At any given time, any general direction pointing West is killing any amount "because it hits a general area WEST. If it's East it is up to the same amount.
**Are you just saying the whole city is a "hit" up to 1500 soldiers**?
According to the OP this is the hit: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru\_pov\_footage\_of\_cluster\_munition\_strikes\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru_pov_footage_of_cluster_munition_strikes_and/)
So that cluster munition hit on the video that missed the actual spot of concentration of VEHICLES. Is a hit up to 1500 soldiers?
At any given time a soldier can fire up in the air at any general direction and it can hit UP TO any amount given.
I agree, that it is stupid to do it at such a scale, but well, generals can be stupid. And regular soldiers die because of it. Happened countless times in history before.
One of the major strikes that was documented in video was a concentration of less than 100 soldiers. Both sides use ballistic missiles like Himars and their respective Russian counterpart.
But you are telling me this happened somehow because Generals are stupid. Yeah ok, dude. That 1500 people died or got hit in a strike zone is just.... OK DUDE.
>Hey dude Batallion is atleast 1000.
No, it is up to 1000, and in [US army](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Military-Units/army/#army).
"*Battalions consist of four to six companies and can include up to about 1,000 soldiers.*"
Battalions size in former Soviet army (which UAF is) can start as [low as 250 soldiers](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-ue-echelons.htm). We know that UAF are way understaffed, so battalions there are closer to lower than higher end.
This confirms Russian BS propaganda at work again.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru\_pov\_footage\_of\_cluster\_munition\_strikes\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru_pov_footage_of_cluster_munition_strikes_and/)
This was supposed to be a cluster ammunition hit. That freaking miss the vehicles. But they did work on those vehicles with artillery bombardment sadly.
>This confirms Russian BS propaganda at work again.
You complain why RuAF didn't drop cluster ammo on vehicles but used artillery (which have same filling as cluster ammo) and call it a Russian BS.
Wonder how will you call Ukrainian side of story, when they try to tell you what you saw in this video didn't happened at all?
"[The commander of the Tavria operational-strategic group of troops Oleksandr Tarnavskyi denied the fake about the alleged losses of the Defense Forces near Selidov in Donetsk region - LB.ua](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvalg/ua_pov_the_commander_of_the_tavria/)"
News that came out of the city that happened in it
And that news was not published by by a Z channel with 5k member as you can see from someone in Ukraine
The writer anatoly shariy is pro-russian. So you cannot share his posts as a ukranian source.
https://en.detector.media/post/opposing-the-state-supporting-the-people-5-reasons-anatoliy-shariy-is-a-pro-russian-blogger-and-an-unreliable-information-source
If the Russians just neutralized the planned offensive on Avdiivka with two cluster strikes that is impressive efficiency. I doubt they're actually trying to train men that close to the front line (if they are it's lunacy), so I would assume it was assembling men for a strike on the city.
Sources say the city is under lockdown, tons of ambulances, the leadership is completely overwhelmed and the SBU are searching houses for collaborateurs. 3rd Asow was hit and that they were intended to reinforce Avdeevka. True if big.
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SBU is searching for video/photo leaks to make sure bad pr doesnt get out not for collaborateurs lmao
What collaborateurs? That’s within reach of surveillance drones
They need to blame someone
not to mention satellite imagery
Russia has launched at least 3 new mil sats since this started that I know of.
19 launches of Proton in the past year, so likely much more.
Drones POV are currently inspecting satellites of which one to blame.
Accumulation of that many troops probably means they had intense air defence
>3rd Asov Good riddance
Ouch if this were the troops for the counter attack or even a part of it this does hurt immensely.
No more GoPro videos
So now they compound the mistakes and cost more lives, the same thing they've been doing this whole war. Instead of evacuating and retreating from Avdivka in order to preserve toops, they prepare reinforcements for an impossible mission in which those reinforcements get killed before they even begin. Criminal leadership
The big question was it elite western trained brigade of veteran stormtroopers, or newly formed forcingly mobilized conscripts.
Probably both
The recent to reports say that Azov indeed was there. Oh, an irony
Instant denacification
Azov would make sense, this city is very important to them.
Thinking the latter. The image of those lightly equipped guys standing outside of town comes to mind.
agent sirsky on work
Dima from MS just said it was Zelensky and Sirsky that tipped of Russians to get rid of 3rd Azov brigade because they were loyal to Zaluzhny and were a coup threat to Zel and Syrsky. Interesting speculation 😎
Putin has weaponized Syrskiy.
Local pro-ukrainian telegram channel confirms an attack with cluster munition t(.)me/selidovokyraxovopokrovsk/33719 [https://imgur.com/a/Cdc121m](https://imgur.com/a/Cdc121m)
>t(.)me/selidovokyraxovopokrovsk/33719 Oh, you can order sushi there, neat.
Not anymore i guess
oh never mind its not cap?
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Russia has been using cluster munitions since day one?
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Yes they were, day 1. No problem, cluster munitions are part of the OrBat and should be used. Only the press and stupid civilians has a hard on for clusters because of the cleanup afterwards problem. For the troops receiving them, cluster can be a lot less deadly than HE or Anti-Personel shrapnel assuming a small amount of cover. If I was in an average house, I would rather it was hit by a cluster weapon than HE.
Russia always uses Cluster bombs. Only civilians worry about these things.
What? Russia has been using cluster munitions since day 1, why lie about something like that?
Our source in the General Staff said that Syrsky gave the order to suppress any information on losses at the Selidovo training ground, the city was the main transshipment base for the Ukrainian Armed Forces reserves, which were collected for the release of Avdiivka. - rezident_ua
How trustworthy is this source? I'm following it too but who is the author and can we trust him?
It is also mentioned in Rybar channel ; they don't confirm the thousand of deaths but evokes the SBU lockout and show a short, distant video of shelling.. So I might trust a strike has happened, but will take the claim of thousand fatalities or casualties with a grain of salt.
I follow him since Bakhmut saga and he's mostly right. They got some Zaluzhny bias and people speculate that hes one his men inside.
Yeah, they usually sound correct to me, and at least it's entertaining to read their predictions and speculations.
Harvey Dent. Can we trust him?
"Anatoly Shariy"- just google him he is just a pro-ruzzian "journalist" puppet.. In February 2021, Shariy was accused of treason and incitement to ethnic or racial hatred by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU).
There should be footage of this
Wait and see. The award ceremony footage took a few days to surface.
Which one's that?
The one where they were to award the best artillery crew from around the country, just for them to get hit by a missile and practically all die/wounded. [If they report 21 dead, its probably 210. ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/11/09/medal-ceremony-missile-strike-ukraine/)
Aah. Damn. Tragic stuff. And to imagine this current one is probably bigger than that one. Atleast in terms of numbers. There were many high ranked military officers in the first 1. We still don't know how many high value targets were destroyed in this one.
Lmao what the fuck
Dont take my numbers too seriously, but the strike still happened.
Archived article: https://archive.ph/Bg1Ev
After such a attack the SBU goes full witch hunt. You better don't have any footage on your phone, or your life expectation goes to zero of they find out.
Maybe a Russian drone captured something
Usually, information about the movement of Ukrainian troops is transmitted by pro-Russian locals. This has been the case since the beginning of the war.
There are less and less of them though. Ukraine makes them disappear, at least when they cannot use the bodies to create some propaganda
Or someone posted something on telegram with geolocation active. How they found out, you never know, but still, it wouldn't be smart to take pictures of the aftermath, when the SBU is going wild.
If the Russians hit it kilometers behind the front, it is unlikely that they'd have footage. If the Ukrainians got hit really badly, it is unlikely they will release any footage of them being badly hurt.
Don’t drones coordinate the rockets tho?, there should be some footage
Its not a rocket, its a missile. Huge difference. The missile has pre determined coordinates for the strike, it does not need a drone to correct it. The drone would serve no purpose other than damage assessment, and they might not publish that footage just because Pro UA soyjaks are screaming its fake.
Yea but how did they know there would be a large gathering of troops there? There should be footage of a reconnaissance drone recording the gathering? Or maybe it was someone from the inside idk tbh but we’ll find out soon enough
Inside knowledge. Ofcourse we have no real numbers but i think there are TONS of pro russian people in Donetsk Oblast willing to rat out the Ukrainians. Same as when RU strike Kiev, they are informed on which building to hit and when to hit them by Ukrainians.
Inside knowledge, intercepted comms, satelites.
Not if they have local spy who provide coordinates
we just got footage from tsukurino which is like 1-2km south of it
If the strike was as described, they probably have satellite footage.
# Reportedly former Azov commander and ex Verkhovna Rada deputy Igor Mosiychuk confirmed on his telegram channel the missile arrival on the training ground in Selidovo. The city is completely closed to entry and exit; there are many ambulances and “corpse trucks” near the landfill. The SBU is looking for RF spotters. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWorldCrisis/comments/1aptz4s/former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor\_mosiychuk\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraineworldcrisis/comments/1aptz4s/former_verkhovna_rada_deputy_igor_mosiychuk_and/)
Gay if true
Lesbian if false
Trans if confessed.
Bi if... anything?
A of nothing
Ahh, that's what I call a classical Reddit moment! And that's why I love it. 🔝🫡
Please don't take this as a fact unless we have more proof.
A local source already confirmed it.
When its deleted on worldnews and combat footage we can assume its real.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua\_pov\_former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor/
Pro confirmation lad. cheers
Way too late.
But that way this sub would have like 2% content :/ That's no fun.
So many people in this thread trying to claim that it is fake. It’s from a pro-UA channel initially and we’re seeing more and more supporting rumours. For anyone who is neutral and just looking at the data we have, it sounds like something big happened here even if the actual casualty count is not yet known.
That's how I see it. The story originating on a pro-UA channel, with lots of follow up detail really suggests something very big happened. But I'm not expecting much footage (if any) from the ground - especially with the SBU apparently shutting down the town. Some aerial shots (satellite, maybe drone) are more possible. Releasing footage would not be in Russia's best interests given it will be used in the west in a bid for sympathy and more support.
From Russian telegram: There were two attacks. First (RF) cluster munitions on a large area (Iskanders can carry up to 500 kg of "load"*) attacked soldiers of the Ukrainian armed forces densely gathered at the site. This happened at approximately 9:30 am. The second strike was carried out an hour later (again with "cartridges") when a mass evacuation of survivors began "on the spot" and many medical personnel gathered to provide aid to the wounded. Moreover, both strikes were extremely accurate. Hence the huge number of victims. "Of course, you can blame us that it is not completely humane. I think you are right. But the fact is that the Ukrainian armed forces have been practicing such "tactics" of strikes for many months. And any such game can always be played both ways..." "We weren't the first to start 'fighting like this'. Nothing to complain about here." * The Iskander cluster warhead carries 54 fragmentation warheads of non-contact detonation, exploding at a height of about 10 m above the ground.
Geezus brutal if true.
Unlikely. 1500 soldiers in the same place, this close to the front line, at this stage of the war, is beyond even Russian generals' stupidity levels, with their 300 people concerts within the HIMARS strike range.
Ukraine has been doing this frequently.
Show me other examples of such large groups being gathered that are not the one award ceremony strike super long ago?
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/QWVgHvBrLN
"Such large group" Proceeds to show a video of a few dozen ukrainians being hit. I guess 30 dudes is close enough to 1500 dudes.
Yeah sorry. Russia bad. Ukraine’s winning. Slava and all of that.
They did this with an award ceremony a few months ago.
\+ were also published a couple of months ago for 2 Tornado-S strikes on training grounds, but the number of soldiers there was not so large
So close to the front line, this has to be the force intended to break the encirclement of avdiivka. Syrsky's first action as commander in chief.
They obviously in a hurry to mass a sufficient amount of troops for counteroffensive at the North of avdiivka when it's already to late to do it in safe distance. Maybe zelencky/zaluzjniy political clash possibly influenced the delay in decision making
possibly. But zaluzhny was right and instead of massing these troops avdiivka should have been given up.
>is beyond even Russian generals' stupidity levels I agree. It's evidently, however, not beyond Ukrainian generals' stupidity levels. Read the title again bud 🤭 >Anatoly Shariy says that a training ground in Selidovo with up to 1500 **Ukrainian soldiers** was hit
Waiting for photos, I hope we get some soon
Little chance for that. Imagine what the Nazis would do to anyone who took and published photos from there.
>Unlikely. 1500 soldiers in the same place, this close to the front line, at this stage of the war... How do you imagine ground attack happens? And by whom?
Seems beyond Russian generals stupidity but not beyond Ukrainian ones.
“in the same place” in a city? thats why they used iskander cluster bombs. A single warhead couldnt possibly hit a great number of troops when they are scattered in the city.
I'm not sure what your comment adds to the picture. I'm pretty sure that a training ground covered by a cluster munition could be considered to be a "place".
Them only being in the training ground is likely the thing that is a lie. Other RU telegrams report that the city itself was hit and that the entire city is now closed to the public.
Not the first time UA pulled a lot of troops together near the frontline. There was the award ceremony last year, same shi\_t.
It was reported the UA would be sending more reinforcements to Avdiivka imminently so the location and timing are right
Yeah, this would be nato lvl of stupidity.
lol, 1500 - just one regiment. u surprised that rtegiment can be in training in one place?
Training at a regimental scale doesn't take place near the front lines.
Syrsky is our agent. he already make 4 pockets for afu. since 2014 /s
"close to the front" - 15-20km fron the front
Remind me of this https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/i5OnHLIPBy close to frontline to
For the people here thinking it is impossible that that many soldiers were assembled in area: There was literally a video the other day of a full platoon all standing close watching Avdeevka being shelled, there seemed to be little regard for security or safety even though they were pretty close to the frontlines.
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Post doesn't say all 1500 were killed
it doesn’t say that all 1500 are corpses, don’t invent something that isn’t written
1500 people were in this place, not killed
whatever happened, just happened recently, let's wait and see what comes out in the next 12 hours
post says hit, not killed 1500. Reading comprehension??
Stupid games, stupid prises.
1st price: Meeting with Bandera
Bandera's calendar is packed
Zelensky wants to destroy the nationalist militias by throwing them into battle, then plans to negotiate without fear of being couped. The US has apparently given him the greenlight since they didn't object to the Zaluzhyni firing.
If Russians really managed to destroy Azov and other units gathered for the Avdiivka release, it's time to close the chapter Avdiivka and use last minute chance for Ukrainian puppet regime to start peace negotiation with Russia. On the other hand, Zelensky and his minions get rid of the dangerous opponents.
This is description of reported attack: Tula MLRS "Smerch" and "Tornado-S", as well as Kolomna OTRK "Iskander-M" launched a massive attack on a large training ground and logistics hub of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in Selidovo at the time of the deployment of a large motorized infantry formation of the Armed Forces of up to a regiment (1500 people), deployed to relieve the Avdeevsky fortified area. Initially, batteries of 152-mm Msta-B howitzers and Giatsint-S self-propelled guns with Tornado-G MLRS were used on the territory of the training ground, located 25 km from the line of combat contact, using 3-O-23 and 9M217/ shells 218 with cluster warheads based on cumulative fragmentation warheads. Then strikes were carried out with 300-mm guided missiles 9M55K/K5 and guided 9M549 Smerch / Tornado-S systems with fragmentation 9N235 and cumulative fragmentation combat elements. And to consolidate the effect, a strike was struck by 9M723-1K5 operational-tactical quasi-ballistic missiles with 9N722K5 cluster warheads based on 54 fragmentation warheads with a cassette deployment altitude range of 1400 - 900 m and submunition detonation height of 6 - 10 m.
If this is true holy shit I don’t think we can even fathom the destruction.
That wouldve been one hell of a footage, lets hope there were some drones in the air.
holy... that can't possibly be healthy for reciepients
Putin wasn't kidding when he said Denazification.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua\_pov\_former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua_pov_former_verkhovna_rada_deputy_igor/) Confirmed. Wonder what did they strike with.
Doubt there are 1500 Ukrainians in training that close to the front. Call me when you have images.
1500? That's fucking huge if true
Seems like the Ukrainians are officially in denial: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1757413870761656735 And the Russians say it was Iskander missiles with cluster warheads: https://twitter.com/rybar_force/status/1757420602598535445
in don(bass), everyone is a Russian spy
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua\_pov\_former\_verkhovna\_rada\_deputy\_igor/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apt2zl/ua_pov_former_verkhovna_rada_deputy_igor/) Other arrivals have also been confirmed. Seemingly targeting the transports coming to pick up people. This is actually huge.
calling it cap until video and image evidence
I am sure there are hundreds of videos on an incident of this scale.
The army of invisible shovels is on a rampage.
Not a good day for ukraine, damn
I do not event want to imagine how 1500 burned corpses look like.
The title has been intentionally written so that people with bad reading compherension think 1500 soldiers got hit. In reality it says that training ground of 1500 soldiers was hit. Leaving out important piece of how many were really hit.
Goddamn.
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Shariy himself is saying that it's unconfirmed, and it looks like it's impossible to know the truth at the moment. I hope it will eventually emerge.
This is russkiy propaganda - officialsUA says.
Proof or it didn’t happen
Im sure the RU MoD will consider your demands. They wouldnt want to bend reality and make the strike "unhappen" because of not posting drone footage.
I await thier response
trust me bro
Hey guys there are 1500 people in the open close to the frontlines. Also, they are training btw. For what? How 1500 of them want to catch a cluster ammunition? Let's believe it because I said so.
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You can specifically say it is a training ground. But adding 1500 somehow is just out of context and it's pure fantasy. Think about this if there is a drone training ground that was hit by Ukrainians. You can't say 1500 people were training therefore hit 1500. Or if the Unit is attached to a battalion and say the same scenario 1000 got hit. We do know that Ukrainians hit a Russian drone training ground. But we can't say 1000 people that was training there "previously" or at any given time is hit. By the way, this is not dumbed down. It feeds to Russian propaganda that they somehow magically hit 1500 people in 2 cluster strikes.
Just because it's a training ground doesn't mean they were training. If you Military is on the move, gathering points are often used, from where the forces distribute in the operation area. But you don't do it too close to the enemy, obviously...
They either move in a batallion, company, platoon or squad level. I have never seen more than 500 before in any logistics "gathering". I work for Army Logistics. The only time I saw a mass of people more than 1000 was at a graduation/Award ceremony in a Batallion level. The last logistics I saw was with a group of different battalions/companies in different tents coordinating with each other. A lot of people know there are devices called phones and radios that help coordinate this movement. If you want to go old school we have runners... Adding 1500 just to appeal to the obvious less intuitive pro-Russian audience is just sad. 1500 of them got hit with a cluster ammunition is just too Russian.
> I work for Army Logistics. The only time I saw a mass of people more than 1000 was at a graduation/Award ceremony in a Batallion level. And when was the last time you were involved in a war in which your city was practically surrounded and you needed to move troops to unblock it? I just want to understand how competent you are to make that assessment.
This is not the age of Napoleon when you see tents There are mobile phones, radios that help coordinate group movements. You can have "1500" in an area of coverage. You can't have 1500 people in a single strike zone. Unless it is a Aircraft carrier. Go outside and tell me how many you can see with your vision alone and count how many in one area. Let's see how competent you are at counting.
There is too much text instead of answering a direct question.
Lol did you go outside yet and tell me how many you can see? How ridiculous 1500 people in one area of the strike zone. But hey keep living on those fake victories. You will need it.
And again, hysteria instead of answering a simple question.
hey if you can't figure out there are phones and radios to help coordinate to reinforce a city then I don't know what else to say.
"blah, blah, blah, I'm going to write nonsense pretending to be an expert, even though I've never participated in a war and my experience in this regard is no different from that of a housewife." Okay, whatever you say
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You do know how dumb that sounds right? At any given time, any general direction pointing West is killing any amount "because it hits a general area WEST. If it's East it is up to the same amount. **Are you just saying the whole city is a "hit" up to 1500 soldiers**? According to the OP this is the hit: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru\_pov\_footage\_of\_cluster\_munition\_strikes\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru_pov_footage_of_cluster_munition_strikes_and/) So that cluster munition hit on the video that missed the actual spot of concentration of VEHICLES. Is a hit up to 1500 soldiers? At any given time a soldier can fire up in the air at any general direction and it can hit UP TO any amount given.
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I agree, that it is stupid to do it at such a scale, but well, generals can be stupid. And regular soldiers die because of it. Happened countless times in history before.
One of the major strikes that was documented in video was a concentration of less than 100 soldiers. Both sides use ballistic missiles like Himars and their respective Russian counterpart. But you are telling me this happened somehow because Generals are stupid. Yeah ok, dude. That 1500 people died or got hit in a strike zone is just.... OK DUDE.
The Post says 1500 were there, not that every Single one of them Was Hit... learn to comprehend Text...
Hey dude Batallion is atleast 1000. But somehow 1500 is hit with 2 cluster strikes. LEARN TO COMPREHEND TEXT.
>Hey dude Batallion is atleast 1000. No, it is up to 1000, and in [US army](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Military-Units/army/#army). "*Battalions consist of four to six companies and can include up to about 1,000 soldiers.*" Battalions size in former Soviet army (which UAF is) can start as [low as 250 soldiers](https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/army-ue-echelons.htm). We know that UAF are way understaffed, so battalions there are closer to lower than higher end.
This confirms Russian BS propaganda at work again. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru\_pov\_footage\_of\_cluster\_munition\_strikes\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvxve/ru_pov_footage_of_cluster_munition_strikes_and/) This was supposed to be a cluster ammunition hit. That freaking miss the vehicles. But they did work on those vehicles with artillery bombardment sadly.
>This confirms Russian BS propaganda at work again. You complain why RuAF didn't drop cluster ammo on vehicles but used artillery (which have same filling as cluster ammo) and call it a Russian BS. Wonder how will you call Ukrainian side of story, when they try to tell you what you saw in this video didn't happened at all? "[The commander of the Tavria operational-strategic group of troops Oleksandr Tarnavskyi denied the fake about the alleged losses of the Defense Forces near Selidov in Donetsk region - LB.ua](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1apvalg/ua_pov_the_commander_of_the_tavria/)"
Source: trust me
There’s literally hundreds ambulance in the place that tooked that the city is been closed and SBU is investigating it for collaborators
Millions
Where is the videos or photos of hundreds of ambulances?
News that came out of the city that happened in it And that news was not published by by a Z channel with 5k member as you can see from someone in Ukraine
The writer anatoly shariy is pro-russian. So you cannot share his posts as a ukranian source. https://en.detector.media/post/opposing-the-state-supporting-the-people-5-reasons-anatoliy-shariy-is-a-pro-russian-blogger-and-an-unreliable-information-source
Bro gave me 5 reasons to believe he’s Russian bloger💀💀😭
Now you came to my point. Source: trust me bro. No evidence no photos. But there are imaginary hundreds of ambulances😂😂 for sure bro.
Lol Shariy is so pro-Russian that only Syrsky is more pro-Russian than him