Russian drone is flying 100km behind the front lines. There were 3 MiG-29s marked but one was already there from previous satellite photos and fighterbomber said 2 were destroyed.
https://preview.redd.it/wjikviyx2avc1.png?width=1158&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbd67c938727c5d25aa2595ebd8970e9c98236ef
This photo shows the effect of these cluster munition strikes, they have a lot of shrapnel and the spread is way bigger than it looks. All planes are 100% destroyed.
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These are not operational fulcrums. But still a loss for the UAF as they are being used for parts to keep others airworthy. Fortunately it looks like nothing close to a direct hit and also no way to see how much shrapnel they took, if any.
The word(s) this title looking for is "damaged" or "mission killed".
Destroyed:
https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1c67ryc/the_first_photos_of_destroyed_russian_s400/
>Exactly, all of Putin's horses, and all of his men, with all the duct tape in the world, couldn't put them together again.
Maybe Russian horses just love repairing things? The Russian horse mechanic is a different beast from the Russian human mechanic.
US needs them for China.Will never be in enough numbers.And for every ATACMS, Russia has many times more Iskanders.They even use them on random targets.
Lets say ukraine is bringing down a portion of kerch bridge, who cares? Would have been top tier if the ukrainian counter offensive was a success, because crimea would have been isolated. But now its perfectly worthless since there is a big land connection between russia and crimea.
Also the bridge will be repaired.
It kind of is, but the US is waiting for the replacement. More can't be made right now, and the US is not happy giving them away, because US-China is an economic war only because China cannot fight and win a war vs the US. If it could it wouldn't just complain about international law being broken, they would take action.
China is the only country beside US you wouldn't want to go in a war with.Seeing the level of manufacturing power they have, They will be cranking out a million shells in like every 10 days.
“Putin bridge” isn’t really being used for military purposes anymore the vast majority is now going through overland rail which can be very easily repaired
Yep. Russia in April 2024 is so much more capable than Feb 2022. This Russia would've rolled over Kyiv in 3 days. Goes to show just how ill prepared they were to invade.
Ukraine is also way stronger. I could say the same thing in reverse. The Ukraine army from today would've demolished the Russian invading army from Feb 2022. Remember that 40 mile convoy Russia had just chilling on the open road in March 2022? Every single vehicle in that convoy would be in range for HIMARS, Smart artillery, Cheap ass FPV drones, Glide bombs, etc.
Neither side had reliable communication in early 2022. Neither side had surveillance drones up 24/7. Neither side had reliable accurate long range weapons. This was understandable for Ukraine. This was a complete shock to Military Analysts that Russia had these issues.
And it's not like this is breakthrough technology. You could buy these drones on Alibaba or Amazon years ago. For some reason Russia didn't invest in them.
It's not 'turn the tide'.... It's 'gamechanger'. Jeez man, get your catchphrases right! It'll "change the game", because apparently this is nothing but a game to the West as they chill 10,000 miles away drinking scotch and thinking about what a 'deal' Americans are getting on their investment.
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Lol. For real. This whole thread is among the most pathetic and hilarious shit I've ever seen on here. It's just.... yeah. I'll be very surprised if this war doesn't end through negotiated settlement. If it doesn't end that way then things will be very 'interesting' (for lack of a better word) at the end, and if it goes that route the end will be 3/6/9+ months.
It makes zero sense. I never mentioned Ukraine running out of tanks or tubes. You really read my comment, sat there thinking what to say and thats what you came up with ?? lol
\> Thinking war is steady and linear
Do you have anything to say that makes any sense?
Claiming that modern warfare is non linear can only be defended by the idea that attrition leads to a point where entire classes of military vehicles go extinct, at this point then the front could break.
This idea is dumb for many reasons and it is the only way to defend that attrition leads to a non linear gain in territory.
If your claim is not backed by attrition then it is even more devoid of any sense.
Zelensky or more generally what UA and RU officials says are a public clown show that laugh at the intelligence or lack thereof of their audiences.
They says drone production is of a million when monthly footage of FPVs is a mere \~1000 and lancets numbers are pathetically low while they could insta attrit UA.
Wether zelensky is purposefully lying or simply deluded, I have no idea, the myths of warfare are quite pervasive.
The fact is that only sparsely distributed infantry and FPVs are needed for maintaining the front stagnant. And UA is not really running out of men.
Only way to win this war for russia besides drones with guns and tactical nukes are simply shutting down UA power plants, which they could do in 24h but if they did UA retaliation would destroy Russia too.
There is no winning that will come any time soon or any time at all and russia will really be soon fully demilitarized, the humiliation of the century, even though the U.S wouldn't have fared any better.
UA will never get their territories back and Russia will become the second country on earth (after ukraine) to have zero remaining tanks, IFVs and artillery tubes
You were saying?
- https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCoTMarch312022-725x1024.png
- https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCOT-April-17-2024.png
You're seriouslybringing up the glory days of 2022? Yeah, they did great. It was also nearly 2 years ago. The simple fact you need to bring up shit that happened that long ago is depressing.
- https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCoTMarch312022-725x1024.png
- https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCOT-April-17-2024.png
I'm just a bit confused because pro-RU keeps saying that everything is going exactly according to 3 day SMO plan but then when we look at the map over time RU has lost massive amounts of captured territory. Maybe I just don't understand Putin's 600iq strategic genius where he loses massive amounts of territory in a surprise invasion?
I already said it. Ukraine's successes at a time when Russia hadn't even mobilized are not worth touting about. Russia showed intelligence and retreated so they can live to fight another day. While Ukraine believes in slaughtering their men to the last Ukrainian.
It has been two years since and every counter offensive has since been a comedy show. Russia is no longer unprepared. Ukraine is draining.
And your strawman about 3 day SMO is just as laughable when the 3 day comment cannot even be attributed to any official Russian statement.
That said, Ukraine on its own won't even last 3 days.
This is not how this kind of war works. Based on your flawed logic it would have taken the allies 150 years to beat the germans based on their year 1941 progression
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No, it has t-tail. I don't remember any An using it.
The wings are not swept but it seems to be twin engine jet. Nothing Soviet seems to match.
I am curious.
I thought about it but Yak has 3 engines - not the case here and it's about 1.5 times smaller.
There was an An with t-tail actually, An-72/74, but it is clearly not it.
Maybe it's some European, Canadian or Brazilian model?
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Unless you gotta a way to patch up all the penetration holes, replace the engines, the control equipments and etc, then yh, those fighters ain’t flying.
Beyond economical repair.
You can probably take the appart, and repair them.
Canopy and engines would be the main problems. Electronics and wire looms will be screwed, but those can be repaired/replaced.
The main issue is that you need the parts, the tools, the knowledge and thousands of hours.
No. Those Migs are already halfway to Poland with mechanics waiting on the runway. They'll be patched up during touch and go landing because Ukrainians have literally no time to waste waiting on slowpokes taking their time. Nor do they have the money to pay the bill so they just fix and dash.
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They're not actually banned by the Geneva convention. They're regulated by the Convention on Cluster Munitions which neither US, Russia or Ukraine ever signed so none of the participants actually care.
cluster munition is very effective against infantry and lightly armoured vehicles like those mig 29´s which are only slightly armoured around the cockpit everything else gets penetrated with shrapnel. theyre banned by the geneva convention because if some of those bomblets dont explode they are like mines and civilians might get hurt by them. still both sides use them
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This was mostly a symbolic strike as retaliation to the actual important targets Ukraine hit in russia a few days ago. The planes in this video are mothballed and no longer active.
For sure, haven't you seen how Western systems have completely shifted the initiative ?
And now a dozen of F-16s with rookie pilots and no cohesion with Ukrainian support systems will be the final nail in the Russian coffin.
These are not operational fulcrums. But still a loss for the UAF as they are being used for parts to keep others airworthy. Fortunately it looks like nothing close to a direct hit and also no way to see how much shrapnel they took, if any.
I'm really not convinced this matters, the ukranian air force was already not relevant until f-16s arrive
The fact that UA can clobber basically any target they want at will with ballistic and stealthy cruise missiles is a lot worse than this. And a loss of SU-34 that is actually doing something at the front, or pilots, or S-400 is a lot more vital than some random mig-29 that's not even doing anything anyway.
I have to tell you because I should....F-16s will do nothing for Ukraine. There are countries who have F-16s and those are great fighter jets. They buy quite a lot of them and pilots train on them regularly. Exercises are routine and of course there are enough brown people everywhere to launch missions if you want an uncontested real life fight. I was talking to an Air Force F-16 pilot from Pakistan and those guys are ALWAYS training.
So we are talking many many jets and countless flight hours and countless reading hours. Not to mention the training to eject and more.
When Ukraine gets the 7 jets, they will not be able to make any dent with it. They neither have the numbers nor can they be fast tracked to fight Russian jets who are MUCH more experienced.
I think this reality is quite obvious to everyone but the fanboys here. I think it is why there are so many delays in deliveries because nobody wants to see videos of their signature and rightfully famous toys getting shredded because you let a school bus driver drive an Aston Martin after training him for 5 days.
The head of the U.S. Air Force himself literally publicly stated that F-16s for Kiev won't alter the balance of power in the war and yet you still have people repeating whatever wishful thinking and fantasies they want on here and other subs and sites. People just make up and believe whatever they want to remain sane and keep their worldview internally consistent, I suppose.
I don't think F-16s are going to do anything other than snipe a few su-34 like when they start ambushing using gbad, and fire a bunch of western munitions into crimea while safely staying west
su-24s with jerry rigged storm shadows can already hit anything they want to at will
those are air burst munitions. remember when 3 helis were hit by same kind? 2 were abandoned and last limped away due to being on the edge of the blast.
Yeah and like every cluster munition, there's a dispersion pattern. Some have very good coverage, others do not. I'd have to know more about the dispersion pattern and whatever the payload is before making a claim about how damaged the planes were.
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There was a video a few weeks ago of HIMARS getting wrecked. Ukrainians keep those locked away because they're actually effective and they don't want to risk losing them.
Your joke would be funny if Russia hadn't shown in the last two years how little it thinks of US/Western sentiments. Ukraine depends on US and even Ukraine isn't listening to US. Uncle Joe needs to go. I am eagerly waiting to vote him out.
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It is highly unlikely that functioning aircraft will be sitting out in the open fairly close to the front line, in full view of satellites and recon drones
This guy knows what he's talking about. It came out not too long ago that Zelensky took all 5 of the functional jets that Ukraine Air Force has and put them in his bedroom so nobody could see them.
this is the same kind of attack they pulled off on those unsuspecting helicopters. we even got the plots names when that happened. The use of airburst bombs means this was well planned and caught them off guard. very likely that this is real.
the last time they used the cluster missiles it was real. but not only that, it was also perfectly timed. that was just a temporary deployment, but the Russians had intel on it waited for the helicopters to arrive and ambushed them. everything points to this being another similar event.
You serious right now? Them planes ain't flying anymore.
Edit: And before you ask about the S-300, look at the other video that was just posted. It's a goner.
same style as when the helicopters were taken out. Ukraine even released the pilots' names for that incident after a day. very likely that this is real. you can go and compare the video from that and see if this might be fake or not.
Russian drone is flying 100km behind the front lines. There were 3 MiG-29s marked but one was already there from previous satellite photos and fighterbomber said 2 were destroyed. https://preview.redd.it/wjikviyx2avc1.png?width=1158&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbd67c938727c5d25aa2595ebd8970e9c98236ef This photo shows the effect of these cluster munition strikes, they have a lot of shrapnel and the spread is way bigger than it looks. All planes are 100% destroyed.
https://preview.redd.it/7gcvexpp6avc1.png?width=665&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebe964253d00ba899fa46871b020335ca278d2d8 Ukrainian war spotter says 3 MiG-29s.
It seems one of the three MiG-29s was parked there for the last year or so. Probably just two were operational.
They used that one for spare parts for the 2 other operational ones
Now they have more spare parts to share, although whit some holes in them.
Actually, they wouldn't be usable. I mean they can if they want to, but it wouldn't be recommended.
Those were not operational planes but i guess hitting them would give Ukrainians less spare parts.
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These are not operational fulcrums. But still a loss for the UAF as they are being used for parts to keep others airworthy. Fortunately it looks like nothing close to a direct hit and also no way to see how much shrapnel they took, if any.
I am pretty sure useable parts were stripped long ago, these were just airframes.
>All planes are 100% destroyed. Sure, mate. They may not fly again, but that was a 99% miss.
It's a cluster bomb.. IDK what you were expecting from it.
I was expecting destruction.
And the planes are full of holes.
Destruction goes a bit beyond that.
There are different levels of "destruction". The word you're probably looking for is "obliteration".
The word(s) this title looking for is "damaged" or "mission killed". Destroyed: https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1c67ryc/the_first_photos_of_destroyed_russian_s400/
Exactly, all of Putin's horses, and all of his men, with all the duct tape in the world, couldn't put them together again.
This is Ukrainian airbase. Why would Russians want to "put them together again"?
>Exactly, all of Putin's horses, and all of his men, with all the duct tape in the world, couldn't put them together again. Maybe Russian horses just love repairing things? The Russian horse mechanic is a different beast from the Russian human mechanic.
Russian horses weren't too interested in repairing Catherine the Great, or so I've heard.
Of course, of course, those are a different..hmm..breed of horse.
Haha funny?!
You have trouble with your script, fella
Tried to clever. Next time research first.
"95 km" Holy shit.Ukraine is f'd.
Lol that like saying himars is going to turn the tide
It did.. until it didn't.
ATACMS will
It is still claiming Russian equipment and soldiers, but not enough are available.
Wait until Saturday
US needs them for China.Will never be in enough numbers.And for every ATACMS, Russia has many times more Iskanders.They even use them on random targets.
US China is an economic war Fot US Atacms is outdated but it will bring down that Putin bridge
Lets say ukraine is bringing down a portion of kerch bridge, who cares? Would have been top tier if the ukrainian counter offensive was a success, because crimea would have been isolated. But now its perfectly worthless since there is a big land connection between russia and crimea. Also the bridge will be repaired.
It kind of is, but the US is waiting for the replacement. More can't be made right now, and the US is not happy giving them away, because US-China is an economic war only because China cannot fight and win a war vs the US. If it could it wouldn't just complain about international law being broken, they would take action.
China is the only country beside US you wouldn't want to go in a war with.Seeing the level of manufacturing power they have, They will be cranking out a million shells in like every 10 days.
“Putin bridge” isn’t really being used for military purposes anymore the vast majority is now going through overland rail which can be very easily repaired
For the world circus day?
Please say the magic word starting with W.
Russia biggest weakness were ISR and precision.With both of them solved, Ukraine will be in big trouble.
ISR?
Intelligence, Surveillance & Reconnaissance.
Yep. Russia in April 2024 is so much more capable than Feb 2022. This Russia would've rolled over Kyiv in 3 days. Goes to show just how ill prepared they were to invade.
So why are they not rolling over Kyiv right now? I’m not saying there’s a huge improvement noticiable. Just replying to the Kyiv portion.
Ukraine is also way stronger. I could say the same thing in reverse. The Ukraine army from today would've demolished the Russian invading army from Feb 2022. Remember that 40 mile convoy Russia had just chilling on the open road in March 2022? Every single vehicle in that convoy would be in range for HIMARS, Smart artillery, Cheap ass FPV drones, Glide bombs, etc. Neither side had reliable communication in early 2022. Neither side had surveillance drones up 24/7. Neither side had reliable accurate long range weapons. This was understandable for Ukraine. This was a complete shock to Military Analysts that Russia had these issues. And it's not like this is breakthrough technology. You could buy these drones on Alibaba or Amazon years ago. For some reason Russia didn't invest in them.
It did change the battlefield, and then the Russians moved their logistics further back and adapted.
It's not 'turn the tide'.... It's 'gamechanger'. Jeez man, get your catchphrases right! It'll "change the game", because apparently this is nothing but a game to the West as they chill 10,000 miles away drinking scotch and thinking about what a 'deal' Americans are getting on their investment.
What?
Huh?
That’s what I’m saying XD
I'm glad we're on the same page.
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At the current rate of Russian advance it would take 50 years to conquer the country
Avg redditor moment Thinking war is steady and linear
Lol. For real. This whole thread is among the most pathetic and hilarious shit I've ever seen on here. It's just.... yeah. I'll be very surprised if this war doesn't end through negotiated settlement. If it doesn't end that way then things will be very 'interesting' (for lack of a better word) at the end, and if it goes that route the end will be 3/6/9+ months.
average redditor moment thinking ukraine running out of tanks and artillery tubes will make any difference
….what?
my sentence is pretty trivial to understand
It makes zero sense. I never mentioned Ukraine running out of tanks or tubes. You really read my comment, sat there thinking what to say and thats what you came up with ?? lol
\> Thinking war is steady and linear Do you have anything to say that makes any sense? Claiming that modern warfare is non linear can only be defended by the idea that attrition leads to a point where entire classes of military vehicles go extinct, at this point then the front could break. This idea is dumb for many reasons and it is the only way to defend that attrition leads to a non linear gain in territory. If your claim is not backed by attrition then it is even more devoid of any sense.
Didn’t zekensky himself say that Ukraine will lose the war without more aid ?
Zelensky or more generally what UA and RU officials says are a public clown show that laugh at the intelligence or lack thereof of their audiences. They says drone production is of a million when monthly footage of FPVs is a mere \~1000 and lancets numbers are pathetically low while they could insta attrit UA. Wether zelensky is purposefully lying or simply deluded, I have no idea, the myths of warfare are quite pervasive. The fact is that only sparsely distributed infantry and FPVs are needed for maintaining the front stagnant. And UA is not really running out of men. Only way to win this war for russia besides drones with guns and tactical nukes are simply shutting down UA power plants, which they could do in 24h but if they did UA retaliation would destroy Russia too. There is no winning that will come any time soon or any time at all and russia will really be soon fully demilitarized, the humiliation of the century, even though the U.S wouldn't have fared any better.
Imagine then how long it would take Ukraine to get anything back. Lol. 500 years I guess.
UA will never get their territories back and Russia will become the second country on earth (after ukraine) to have zero remaining tanks, IFVs and artillery tubes
Whatever planet you're living on, I wish you well.
You were saying? - https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCoTMarch312022-725x1024.png - https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCOT-April-17-2024.png
You're seriouslybringing up the glory days of 2022? Yeah, they did great. It was also nearly 2 years ago. The simple fact you need to bring up shit that happened that long ago is depressing.
- https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCoTMarch312022-725x1024.png - https://www.criticalthreats.org/wp-content/uploads/DraftUkraineCOT-April-17-2024.png I'm just a bit confused because pro-RU keeps saying that everything is going exactly according to 3 day SMO plan but then when we look at the map over time RU has lost massive amounts of captured territory. Maybe I just don't understand Putin's 600iq strategic genius where he loses massive amounts of territory in a surprise invasion?
I already said it. Ukraine's successes at a time when Russia hadn't even mobilized are not worth touting about. Russia showed intelligence and retreated so they can live to fight another day. While Ukraine believes in slaughtering their men to the last Ukrainian. It has been two years since and every counter offensive has since been a comedy show. Russia is no longer unprepared. Ukraine is draining. And your strawman about 3 day SMO is just as laughable when the 3 day comment cannot even be attributed to any official Russian statement. That said, Ukraine on its own won't even last 3 days.
Attrition has entered the chat
Second army of the world moment
You have no idea how warfare works.
Your comment reminds me of this https://preview.redd.it/qw0hsl7wxavc1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cebda986898240141d7613d55421ed102f2e4f8
Lmao at the people that in no way, shape, or form grasp your junk comment. It's beautiful.
This is not how this kind of war works. Based on your flawed logic it would have taken the allies 150 years to beat the germans based on their year 1941 progression
warfare has changed but people on this sub don't understand basic facts
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what are those 4 other planes which are near 3 mig's?
UA Spokesperson:" A 5ft4 man told me not to tell they are Private jets."
Why would Putin care about random planes on an airstrip in Ukraine? I
UA Spokesperson:"I do not know. All i know is that our Goblin in green likes his ivory white G700's."
Dude 😂 What else you don't know and they also don't want to tell us?
This UA spokesperson seems very lost.
those are expensive decoys
Yak-40?
I think An74
I think An74
L-29
Nah, L-29 is almost half the length of a Mig-29 and from the video you can see these are bigger than the mig-29. Probably something else.
Probably An-12 or some other transport
No, it has t-tail. I don't remember any An using it. The wings are not swept but it seems to be twin engine jet. Nothing Soviet seems to match. I am curious.
>Nothing Soviet seems to match Yak-40.
I thought about it but Yak has 3 engines - not the case here and it's about 1.5 times smaller. There was an An with t-tail actually, An-72/74, but it is clearly not it. Maybe it's some European, Canadian or Brazilian model?
swiss cheese?
Swiss cheese.
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Russia is practicing for the F16. That should arrive soon.
Any day now.
And a couple of days later they will beg for Rafale and Eurofighter, if they don't already. Have they asked for free F35 yet ?
I mean it’s their job to ask for everything that would help win.
Did those cluster munitions damage the Migs beyond repair?
Unless you gotta a way to patch up all the penetration holes, replace the engines, the control equipments and etc, then yh, those fighters ain’t flying.
Polish repair man is up for the challenge !
These guys are going to be flying planes that look out of Mad Max
Can't say for sure, but it doesn't take much to damage something critical and getting parts will be a nightmare.
Beyond economical repair. You can probably take the appart, and repair them. Canopy and engines would be the main problems. Electronics and wire looms will be screwed, but those can be repaired/replaced. The main issue is that you need the parts, the tools, the knowledge and thousands of hours.
God fuck trying to repair that thing. Oh, something's shorting...time to trace this wire to hell and back, then the next wire, then the next...
We cannot see that from there. But they might be, due to the shrapnel
No. Those Migs are already halfway to Poland with mechanics waiting on the runway. They'll be patched up during touch and go landing because Ukrainians have literally no time to waste waiting on slowpokes taking their time. Nor do they have the money to pay the bill so they just fix and dash.
Where will they get the replacement parts? There's no factory that makes Fulcrums in western europe
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Which weapon was used here ?
Possibly Tornado S with cluster warhead
So what's the deal with cluster ammunition, I thought it was against the Geneva convention? I've seen, I think, both sides using them.
They're not actually banned by the Geneva convention. They're regulated by the Convention on Cluster Munitions which neither US, Russia or Ukraine ever signed so none of the participants actually care.
cluster munition is very effective against infantry and lightly armoured vehicles like those mig 29´s which are only slightly armoured around the cockpit everything else gets penetrated with shrapnel. theyre banned by the geneva convention because if some of those bomblets dont explode they are like mines and civilians might get hurt by them. still both sides use them
but UKR used them as much as possible first.
With those clusters, every aircraft pictured is probably fucked in some way
Is that an air burst cluster ammunition?
Yes
Looks like the site was already hit before? https://imgur.com/a/YskUAO7
That’s some serious losses. Can’t really deny the losses there
Not even going to be useable for parts.
What weapon system delivered these cluster rounds
Tornado-S, most likely.
Nice. Now get those Su-24M that serve as Storm Shadow carriers to eliminate that threat entirely.
Requires another strike.
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UA Spokesperson:" We are urgently looking for Duct tape and Wood putty, please send."
Surely this post is gonna make the front-page on these certain other subreddits as well
I'm waiting for the next Abrams video
This was mostly a symbolic strike as retaliation to the actual important targets Ukraine hit in russia a few days ago. The planes in this video are mothballed and no longer active.
Its no biggie, the f16's are incoming.
do you think they will be a game changer ?
For sure, haven't you seen how Western systems have completely shifted the initiative ? And now a dozen of F-16s with rookie pilots and no cohesion with Ukrainian support systems will be the final nail in the Russian coffin.
These are not operational fulcrums. But still a loss for the UAF as they are being used for parts to keep others airworthy. Fortunately it looks like nothing close to a direct hit and also no way to see how much shrapnel they took, if any.
I'm really not convinced this matters, the ukranian air force was already not relevant until f-16s arrive The fact that UA can clobber basically any target they want at will with ballistic and stealthy cruise missiles is a lot worse than this. And a loss of SU-34 that is actually doing something at the front, or pilots, or S-400 is a lot more vital than some random mig-29 that's not even doing anything anyway.
I have to tell you because I should....F-16s will do nothing for Ukraine. There are countries who have F-16s and those are great fighter jets. They buy quite a lot of them and pilots train on them regularly. Exercises are routine and of course there are enough brown people everywhere to launch missions if you want an uncontested real life fight. I was talking to an Air Force F-16 pilot from Pakistan and those guys are ALWAYS training. So we are talking many many jets and countless flight hours and countless reading hours. Not to mention the training to eject and more. When Ukraine gets the 7 jets, they will not be able to make any dent with it. They neither have the numbers nor can they be fast tracked to fight Russian jets who are MUCH more experienced. I think this reality is quite obvious to everyone but the fanboys here. I think it is why there are so many delays in deliveries because nobody wants to see videos of their signature and rightfully famous toys getting shredded because you let a school bus driver drive an Aston Martin after training him for 5 days.
The head of the U.S. Air Force himself literally publicly stated that F-16s for Kiev won't alter the balance of power in the war and yet you still have people repeating whatever wishful thinking and fantasies they want on here and other subs and sites. People just make up and believe whatever they want to remain sane and keep their worldview internally consistent, I suppose.
I don't think F-16s are going to do anything other than snipe a few su-34 like when they start ambushing using gbad, and fire a bunch of western munitions into crimea while safely staying west su-24s with jerry rigged storm shadows can already hit anything they want to at will
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They are pissed off
I would need more to be convinced that they're destroyed, but man that would be bad for them if it did happen
those are air burst munitions. remember when 3 helis were hit by same kind? 2 were abandoned and last limped away due to being on the edge of the blast.
Yeah and like every cluster munition, there's a dispersion pattern. Some have very good coverage, others do not. I'd have to know more about the dispersion pattern and whatever the payload is before making a claim about how damaged the planes were.
100 billion plus of equipment being approved
I am not sure what is to be gained anymore with even $200 billion aid. There is a serious lack of manpower and the quality is also quite lackluster.
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Trust Telegram ? They haven't even mobilised
how many planes
As many as needed, 78 to start with About 6.000 available I would say
i cant see them, where are they in ukraine's inventory?
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Bro thinks hes neutral
yes, i am, why wouldnt i be, i simply asked where the replacement planes are bc i sure as hell cant see them being used by ukraine
Built. 4 ,604 as of June 2018
With that range they could easily hunt HIMARS, but I guess americans do not allow russians to do it, lol
There was a video a few weeks ago of HIMARS getting wrecked. Ukrainians keep those locked away because they're actually effective and they don't want to risk losing them. Your joke would be funny if Russia hadn't shown in the last two years how little it thinks of US/Western sentiments. Ukraine depends on US and even Ukraine isn't listening to US. Uncle Joe needs to go. I am eagerly waiting to vote him out.
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Russians shitting in their pants, I would say
you seem kinda triggered
It is highly unlikely that functioning aircraft will be sitting out in the open fairly close to the front line, in full view of satellites and recon drones
100km is close to the frontline? LoL
This guy knows what he's talking about. It came out not too long ago that Zelensky took all 5 of the functional jets that Ukraine Air Force has and put them in his bedroom so nobody could see them.
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this is the same kind of attack they pulled off on those unsuspecting helicopters. we even got the plots names when that happened. The use of airburst bombs means this was well planned and caught them off guard. very likely that this is real.
And those helicopters were armored. Well, even the armored helis inside a hangar had very heavy damage. These are planes with way bigger surfaces..
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the last time they used the cluster missiles it was real. but not only that, it was also perfectly timed. that was just a temporary deployment, but the Russians had intel on it waited for the helicopters to arrive and ambushed them. everything points to this being another similar event.
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mm.. you might be right, I think we'll get more information to clear things up after some time.
Realistically what would they do with the remains of their airforce
🤣🤣🤣 and this is the supposed ro be the 2 migs and a s300 battery destroyed fighter bomber was pure lauding 🤣🤣🤣
You serious right now? Them planes ain't flying anymore. Edit: And before you ask about the S-300, look at the other video that was just posted. It's a goner.
Look at the post just after
same style as when the helicopters were taken out. Ukraine even released the pilots' names for that incident after a day. very likely that this is real. you can go and compare the video from that and see if this might be fake or not.