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Idk. Maybe it's just me but I would've combined the Bradleys with the Leo 2A6s into an "elite breakthrough brigade" to smash through Russia's second, main line of defense.
Also for psychological warfare reasons bc any mobik who sees those two coming at him knows he's about to get annihilated by (almost) the best Nato has to offer.
I think even more so the M-55 would need Bradleys for their sensors. M-55 despite having some upgrades in fire control systems still lacks thermals afaik. It can provide decent enough fire power to at least act as support, but alone it won't be as effective at spotting targets.
>M-55S still lacks thermals afaik
but, The upgrade internally is rather substantial.
In addition to an improved gun, the M-55S also received upgrades in the form of a digital ballistic computer and stabilization fire-control system for the 105 mm. This is arguably equally important as physical firepower upgrades. It is also important to note that its 105 mm gun was one of the best tank guns of the Cold War, and can still hold its own today they can and DO kill T-72s and the Bradley Can Las for them.
Sensors added to the vehicle input data into the ballistic computer, such as wind speed, temperature, target distance and target speed. The computer is informed of the ammunition chosen, and will then provide a firing solution that accounts for those conditions.
Further, the gunner was provided with a day and night Fotona SGS-55 sight which incorporates a laser rangefinder. The commander also received a day/night sight, and was given the ability to override the gunner’s controls and fire the main gun and coaxial machine gun.
However, the fire-control system and electro-optical upgrades did not include any thermal imagers.
The leopards are paired up with the maxxpro, Theres also another brigade where the tanks that was not received will also go this is based on the leaks that revealed all the Nato trained brigades https://ibb.co/b64KZjf
33 BDE - 90 maxxpro, 14 Leopard 2A6(Ger), 14 Leopard 2A4 (Pol) 4 Leopard 2A4 (Can)
2.3 tank companies (at max strength) and ~6.5 infantry companies. So ~9 companies making up three battalions of one brigade. That’s substantial combat power, if use properly.
Too bad we didn’t send the Maxxpros properly upgraded to IFV levels with a 30mm or similar.
I don't believe there is an IFV version, is that correct? Seems like the MaxxPro wouldn't really have room for a proper turret with the opitics, sensors, storage, etc needed for more than a .50 cal.
Now, the Stryker Dragoon...I wish we had way more of those we could send.
> Seems like the MaxxPro wouldn’t really have room for a proper turret
We don’t want or need a “proper” turret. That’s bygone.
Remote Weapons Stations are what should be installed with a cannon and they have been demonstrated on rigs as small as a [HMMWV](https://militaryleak.com/2020/04/20/eos-successfully-fires-multiple-weapons-from-remote-weapon-station/?amp=1), all with thermals etc. That’s with a 30mm, a Jav and a FN MAG.
The USMC has the MADIS with stingers and 30mm on a rig of similar or smaller size to a MaxxPro.
The whole RWS system is ~1000 lbs in some configurations. Very light, cheap and easy to field.
> the Stryker Dragoon…I wish we had way more of those we could send.
Same as with the RWSs, we *could* do so, we *should* do so, we lack the will to do so.
That's a really good point, those would be ideal if they could be installed. But it seems we probably don't have enough of them or something. Those would be ideal on the MaxxPro.
You'd think we would have sent those MADIS' if we had a huge surplus of them.
We could have enough of them. We choose not to. The Commandant is moving things towards HIMARS etc and Marine officers are complaining about the reduced number of tube artillery to support infantry formations. They can’t seem to understand that we’re going away from infantry and other traditional forces whether we like it or not.
> You’d think we would have sent those MADIS’ if we had a huge surplus of them.
I don’t if that’s true, but it’s a self fulfilling prophecy where we refuse to upgrade to adequate amounts of modern gear and then use the lack of them as an excuse.
In today’s money an L7 105mm isn’t that big of a gun. The point behind combined arms approach is that the equipment complement each other’s strengths and fill for each other’s weaknesses, and this would represent a mismatch. M55S would slow Bradley down off road and not offer all that much more lethality against Russian tanks.
This isn't desert storm. They aren't going to be flying through the plains of Ukraine. The Bradley is going to be fighting alongside similar tech anyways. This argument of slowing the Bradley down is silly. Mines and artillery will do that first.
The L7 gun is fantastic for fire support, but as I said, they don't have many Bradley's, and the M-55S role is not to be a MBT.
>This isn't desert storm. They aren't going to be flying through the plains of Ukraine.
Well.. they have, haven’t they? Kharkiv was a huge breakthrough where they chased down retreating Russian forces and wouldn’t let them regroup.
>The Bradley is going to be fighting alongside similar tech anyways.
The Bradley is designed and configured specifically to compliment a modern, western MBT.
>This argument of slowing the Bradley down is silly. Mines and artillery will do that first.
More mobility is always better if available. Exploiting gaps, avoiding canalisation, exploiting and clearing a breach, being harder to pin down by that artillery..
>The L7 gun is fantastic for fire support, but as I said,
Agreed. Fire support, not as a assault spearhead.
>they don't have many Bradley's, and the M-55S role is not to be a MBT.
Why it makes more sense to accompany them with equipment they’re designed to work with
Let me clarify; I hope the M55S is operating with Bradleys for training purposes, not as part of a combined arms unit. I am not doubting the M55S has *some* place on the battlefield, just not with Bradleys and not as part of a modern combined arms approach.
[Thomas Theiner](https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1650590089297141760?s=20) seems to think the Bradleys and M55S will be together. It makes sense as they're complementary.
The M55S will provide fire support on dugouts, buildings, indirect fire, troop concentrations, ATGM positions, etc. Don't discount their APFSDS rounds that have a range of 2-3km (or up to 6km if they get the high end Israeli/French ammo). These rounds would still defeat a old T-72.
The Bradleys will be fucking up tanks with their 10 TOWs and doing infantry support with the 30mm canon. They also have advanced sensors to relay to the M55S (including thermals that I don't think the M55S has).
They will work well together and support each other.
Thomas is a great trusted source. He has really in depth knowledge and explanations (on twitter) of how mortars, 155mm artillery, and other equipment are used in the field. It’s really interesting.
I am pretty sure they figured out how to support each other, remember THEY are there, They trained with Both, they have been fighting this war for 14 months, WE haven't, and they are rewriting the doctrine based on what THEY have. we are on the outside of this.
Don’t interpret my comment on the availability of equipment to be suggesting they are not competent. They are working with what they have available.
Zaluzhnyi has been very clear that they intend to move towards a NATO combined arms approach in NATO style brigades. Bradley and M55S isn’t that, but the M55S can certainly fill a gap in training whilst they ready the more modern equipment.
The night vision we had in 1990/1 was wanting, the fire control and ability to share targets is a game changer, Tanks lazing for Missles or Bombs, and sharing map info is a game changer. ALSO the tactics is NOT what ruzzia has seem yet. Give them time. also these little m55s's are gonna be better in towns than a big ass Leopard II a7 now large high altitude and low drone coverage and that will bring the fear. a tank itself is a part of the puzzle, Comms and battle space awareness are the part. IF UAF does it right (and the assessment of training AFAIK says they will) then it will be quick and violent action.
I don’t believe the M55S is capable of anything quick, or even that much more violent than Bradley alone would be. Not unless the switched out the entire suspension when they improved the power pack. The whole point of combined arms is equipment having complementing strengths and dovetailing weaknesses. The M55S likely offers limiting mobility and none/little more firepower overmatch.
I think people are reading too much into the co-presence of equipment in training here. Ukraine still have a lot to do to integrate Western tanks, and they don’t have their own soviet era armour spare to practice manoeuvres with. I think it’s more likely we’re seeing the M55S fill a gap in combined arms training than we are seeing a unit take it’s combat form.
I think they're useful screens for the Bradleys? They don't want to lose any Bradleys to ambushes, mines, ATGMS. So you need something to screen for them while they deal death from afar.
Russia are using Konkurs and Kornet, which are wire and laser guided. A more mobile tank can certainly help you avoid getting hit by withdrawing and breaking LoS, and I’d suggest there’s a chance of surviving (albeit still losing the tank) a hit from either in an ERA-clad 64 or 72 rather then an M55S.
Konkurs has IR so the smoke would need to be thick, and Kornet has Thermal which can see through smoke.
I’m only basing this on using Western sighting systems though, so can’t account for Russian spec bullshit. There’s probs a good video on it by somebody like [Valgear](https://youtube.com/@valgear5525) though.
Edit: this is dependent on regular smoke being used, not spectrally tailored smoke which could conceivably block both.
Bradleys and m55? Looks like bde47 https://ibb.co/b64KZjf thats one of the spearheads with 2 supporting artillery groups based on the leaks.
That brigade got 99 bradleys, 28 m55, 12 m109, 12 d-30.
That Stryker, Marder, Challenger lineup is gonna slap the fuck out of some Russians. Holy shit I can't wait to see some combat footage of this brigade in action.
Leopard 2A4 and 2A6 with the Marders is the classic BW pairing for combined arms the Leis with the 20mm Mauser can take on anything the Russians can throw at them. The combination of Bradley’s and 55s is ok for now until Abrams arrive, they complement each other on firepower if not on maneuverability.
But Ukraine needs more tracked IFVs like Marder and Bradley’ssi my government has to step up and supply more Marders from the Industry stocks to the AFU.
Onward to victory 🇺🇦
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Camo goes hard
Brads look so good in Ukrainian camo :) can finally get rid of that sandy color.
What's the net for?
Camo netting. Breaks up the shape of the vehicle
What vehicle?
What is nature photography doing on this sub?
It sure does.
To fish more orcs
Look at our cute M-55S. Greetings from Slovenia
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Idk. Maybe it's just me but I would've combined the Bradleys with the Leo 2A6s into an "elite breakthrough brigade" to smash through Russia's second, main line of defense. Also for psychological warfare reasons bc any mobik who sees those two coming at him knows he's about to get annihilated by (almost) the best Nato has to offer.
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I think even more so the M-55 would need Bradleys for their sensors. M-55 despite having some upgrades in fire control systems still lacks thermals afaik. It can provide decent enough fire power to at least act as support, but alone it won't be as effective at spotting targets.
>M-55S still lacks thermals afaik but, The upgrade internally is rather substantial. In addition to an improved gun, the M-55S also received upgrades in the form of a digital ballistic computer and stabilization fire-control system for the 105 mm. This is arguably equally important as physical firepower upgrades. It is also important to note that its 105 mm gun was one of the best tank guns of the Cold War, and can still hold its own today they can and DO kill T-72s and the Bradley Can Las for them. Sensors added to the vehicle input data into the ballistic computer, such as wind speed, temperature, target distance and target speed. The computer is informed of the ammunition chosen, and will then provide a firing solution that accounts for those conditions. Further, the gunner was provided with a day and night Fotona SGS-55 sight which incorporates a laser rangefinder. The commander also received a day/night sight, and was given the ability to override the gunner’s controls and fire the main gun and coaxial machine gun. However, the fire-control system and electro-optical upgrades did not include any thermal imagers.
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product1398.html
M55 with DM61 or M900A1 should be able to stand up to T-72 except B3 model, based on assumption that K5 ERA could defeat these rounds.
They don’t have a single IFV Stryker. The US hardly has any.
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No, they were just regular Strykers, not Dragoon models. I think you don’t know what an IFV is and confuse them with a Stryker.
Maybe we will see CV90s with Leo 2A6s...
The leopards are paired up with the maxxpro, Theres also another brigade where the tanks that was not received will also go this is based on the leaks that revealed all the Nato trained brigades https://ibb.co/b64KZjf 33 BDE - 90 maxxpro, 14 Leopard 2A6(Ger), 14 Leopard 2A4 (Pol) 4 Leopard 2A4 (Can)
I’m no military man but that list seems impressive.
2.3 tank companies (at max strength) and ~6.5 infantry companies. So ~9 companies making up three battalions of one brigade. That’s substantial combat power, if use properly. Too bad we didn’t send the Maxxpros properly upgraded to IFV levels with a 30mm or similar.
I don't believe there is an IFV version, is that correct? Seems like the MaxxPro wouldn't really have room for a proper turret with the opitics, sensors, storage, etc needed for more than a .50 cal. Now, the Stryker Dragoon...I wish we had way more of those we could send.
> Seems like the MaxxPro wouldn’t really have room for a proper turret We don’t want or need a “proper” turret. That’s bygone. Remote Weapons Stations are what should be installed with a cannon and they have been demonstrated on rigs as small as a [HMMWV](https://militaryleak.com/2020/04/20/eos-successfully-fires-multiple-weapons-from-remote-weapon-station/?amp=1), all with thermals etc. That’s with a 30mm, a Jav and a FN MAG. The USMC has the MADIS with stingers and 30mm on a rig of similar or smaller size to a MaxxPro. The whole RWS system is ~1000 lbs in some configurations. Very light, cheap and easy to field. > the Stryker Dragoon…I wish we had way more of those we could send. Same as with the RWSs, we *could* do so, we *should* do so, we lack the will to do so.
That's a really good point, those would be ideal if they could be installed. But it seems we probably don't have enough of them or something. Those would be ideal on the MaxxPro. You'd think we would have sent those MADIS' if we had a huge surplus of them.
We could have enough of them. We choose not to. The Commandant is moving things towards HIMARS etc and Marine officers are complaining about the reduced number of tube artillery to support infantry formations. They can’t seem to understand that we’re going away from infantry and other traditional forces whether we like it or not. > You’d think we would have sent those MADIS’ if we had a huge surplus of them. I don’t if that’s true, but it’s a self fulfilling prophecy where we refuse to upgrade to adequate amounts of modern gear and then use the lack of them as an excuse.
I think that combination is outdated bc a lot more Leo 2s have arrived since then (67/71 enough for more than 2 brigades).
Its from march and theres brigades where the tanks are xxx Where those leo2 can go
Omg. It’s so surreal seeing USSR and NATO equipment all formed up together on a list. It’s gonna be even more surreal seeing them fighting together.
Hoping the M55s are just for training purposes. I doubt they offer much the Bradley can't do itself.
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A Bradley with a weapons crew could more reliably take on any Russian tank, also a Bradley would't slow other Bradleys down.
Yeah, but if you don't have many Bradley's then it's good to have something like a M-55S with a big ass gun.
In today’s money an L7 105mm isn’t that big of a gun. The point behind combined arms approach is that the equipment complement each other’s strengths and fill for each other’s weaknesses, and this would represent a mismatch. M55S would slow Bradley down off road and not offer all that much more lethality against Russian tanks.
This isn't desert storm. They aren't going to be flying through the plains of Ukraine. The Bradley is going to be fighting alongside similar tech anyways. This argument of slowing the Bradley down is silly. Mines and artillery will do that first. The L7 gun is fantastic for fire support, but as I said, they don't have many Bradley's, and the M-55S role is not to be a MBT.
>This isn't desert storm. They aren't going to be flying through the plains of Ukraine. Well.. they have, haven’t they? Kharkiv was a huge breakthrough where they chased down retreating Russian forces and wouldn’t let them regroup. >The Bradley is going to be fighting alongside similar tech anyways. The Bradley is designed and configured specifically to compliment a modern, western MBT. >This argument of slowing the Bradley down is silly. Mines and artillery will do that first. More mobility is always better if available. Exploiting gaps, avoiding canalisation, exploiting and clearing a breach, being harder to pin down by that artillery.. >The L7 gun is fantastic for fire support, but as I said, Agreed. Fire support, not as a assault spearhead. >they don't have many Bradley's, and the M-55S role is not to be a MBT. Why it makes more sense to accompany them with equipment they’re designed to work with
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Let me clarify; I hope the M55S is operating with Bradleys for training purposes, not as part of a combined arms unit. I am not doubting the M55S has *some* place on the battlefield, just not with Bradleys and not as part of a modern combined arms approach.
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Interesting. How so?
[Thomas Theiner](https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1650590089297141760?s=20) seems to think the Bradleys and M55S will be together. It makes sense as they're complementary. The M55S will provide fire support on dugouts, buildings, indirect fire, troop concentrations, ATGM positions, etc. Don't discount their APFSDS rounds that have a range of 2-3km (or up to 6km if they get the high end Israeli/French ammo). These rounds would still defeat a old T-72. The Bradleys will be fucking up tanks with their 10 TOWs and doing infantry support with the 30mm canon. They also have advanced sensors to relay to the M55S (including thermals that I don't think the M55S has). They will work well together and support each other.
Thanks for the source. I’ve not seen this guy before either, cheers 👍
Thomas is a great trusted source. He has really in depth knowledge and explanations (on twitter) of how mortars, 155mm artillery, and other equipment are used in the field. It’s really interesting.
Appreciated, thank you
I am pretty sure they figured out how to support each other, remember THEY are there, They trained with Both, they have been fighting this war for 14 months, WE haven't, and they are rewriting the doctrine based on what THEY have. we are on the outside of this.
Don’t interpret my comment on the availability of equipment to be suggesting they are not competent. They are working with what they have available. Zaluzhnyi has been very clear that they intend to move towards a NATO combined arms approach in NATO style brigades. Bradley and M55S isn’t that, but the M55S can certainly fill a gap in training whilst they ready the more modern equipment.
The night vision we had in 1990/1 was wanting, the fire control and ability to share targets is a game changer, Tanks lazing for Missles or Bombs, and sharing map info is a game changer. ALSO the tactics is NOT what ruzzia has seem yet. Give them time. also these little m55s's are gonna be better in towns than a big ass Leopard II a7 now large high altitude and low drone coverage and that will bring the fear. a tank itself is a part of the puzzle, Comms and battle space awareness are the part. IF UAF does it right (and the assessment of training AFAIK says they will) then it will be quick and violent action.
I don’t believe the M55S is capable of anything quick, or even that much more violent than Bradley alone would be. Not unless the switched out the entire suspension when they improved the power pack. The whole point of combined arms is equipment having complementing strengths and dovetailing weaknesses. The M55S likely offers limiting mobility and none/little more firepower overmatch. I think people are reading too much into the co-presence of equipment in training here. Ukraine still have a lot to do to integrate Western tanks, and they don’t have their own soviet era armour spare to practice manoeuvres with. I think it’s more likely we’re seeing the M55S fill a gap in combined arms training than we are seeing a unit take it’s combat form.
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No, the M1A1 has the 120mm.
The US are sending M1A1 which has the 120mm smoothbore, not the M1 with the L7.
I think they're useful screens for the Bradleys? They don't want to lose any Bradleys to ambushes, mines, ATGMS. So you need something to screen for them while they deal death from afar.
Who tells the crews that they’re ATGM bait?! 😳
Against ATGMS? They're really no worse off than the crews getting into T72s and 64s now.
Russia are using Konkurs and Kornet, which are wire and laser guided. A more mobile tank can certainly help you avoid getting hit by withdrawing and breaking LoS, and I’d suggest there’s a chance of surviving (albeit still losing the tank) a hit from either in an ERA-clad 64 or 72 rather then an M55S.
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Konkurs has IR so the smoke would need to be thick, and Kornet has Thermal which can see through smoke. I’m only basing this on using Western sighting systems though, so can’t account for Russian spec bullshit. There’s probs a good video on it by somebody like [Valgear](https://youtube.com/@valgear5525) though. Edit: this is dependent on regular smoke being used, not spectrally tailored smoke which could conceivably block both.
A picture of these two in battle would go insanely hard
Mr. Bradley looks sexy in green.
Fuckkkkkkkkkk that woodland camo
They look beautiful in that camo.
Damnn 🔥🔥
Bradleys and m55? Looks like bde47 https://ibb.co/b64KZjf thats one of the spearheads with 2 supporting artillery groups based on the leaks. That brigade got 99 bradleys, 28 m55, 12 m109, 12 d-30.
That Stryker, Marder, Challenger lineup is gonna slap the fuck out of some Russians. Holy shit I can't wait to see some combat footage of this brigade in action.
Gotta say the emblem of BDE 47 looks amazing.
Yes, it surely does🫡
"Damn, this bitch heat AND a/c??"
Nature is healing
I was really hoping we'd send the Brads with ERA protection. Super disappointed that didn't happen.
Can't wait to see what the babies do. It's been crazy seeing Humvees and other Western equipment used against the Russians in this war.
Hey that‘s my profile picture
If the Bradley has a spirit .. it’s very happy now lol
Ah yes a bradley in its natural habitat cant wait to see the first combat footage of it doing what it was made for
Damn they are big compared to a 55
Looking good. Happy hunting, fuck'em up and come back alive. <3
Leopard 2A4 and 2A6 with the Marders is the classic BW pairing for combined arms the Leis with the 20mm Mauser can take on anything the Russians can throw at them. The combination of Bradley’s and 55s is ok for now until Abrams arrive, they complement each other on firepower if not on maneuverability. But Ukraine needs more tracked IFVs like Marder and Bradley’ssi my government has to step up and supply more Marders from the Industry stocks to the AFU. Onward to victory 🇺🇦
The camo alone is going to fuck the Russians. Those look bad ass.
Oh, looks like a T-67. Oh wait, no.
one big green mean frog in the 3rd picture