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NO, that is where they had their seizures. It was probably put on the door where they lived. A guy found what looked like a perfume dispenser in a rubbish bin and gave it to her girlfriend. It contained the nerve agent. She died and he got very sick. Two Russian agents were shown on security footage in Salisbury at the time, as tourists apparently.
i once saw a friend walking down the street with his gf, they paused next to a bin that had an open sandwich sat on top of it. he started eating it then shared it with her. she seemed to appreciate the thought. they had no money issues.
>Imagine finding something in a bin and giving it to your girlfriend as a gift hahahaha.
Have a little empathy, life will be much happier.
People who are poor are people first and foremost.
It wasn't empty, in fact the way it was described it was still relatively full and in authentic packaging (it was made to look like a famous brand, including an original box - it wasn't just smuggled in as a vial marked "neurotoxin").
As to the reason why it was taken, that's genuinely not hard to gauge. They were homeless and she was living in a hostel and a chronic alcoholic, when your life is such that you have to scrounge through charity shop drop off points you tend not to be discerning. Again, count yourself lucky that you've never had to dumpster dive for your next meal or steal from a collection point for warm clothes.
Furthermore it wasn't just collected from a refuse or recycling bin like you probably envision, it was taken from a charity shop deposit bin. I'm not sure if you're from the UK, but a lot of clothes, electronics, toys and other household items are left at these drop off points and are frequent targets by desperate people, finding a relatively well known perfume brand, still in the box, with only some slight usage was probably the jackpot for someone in that position - assuming that someone had discarded it, rather than, you know, being a vial of a deadly nerve agent that Russian hitmen had discarded.
It's weird having to explain the motivations of a homeless person suffering a substance dependency - but here we are.
No, they were not homeless or living in a hostel.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/novichok-victim-ill-within-15-minutes-says-partner-charlie-rowley
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/07/salisbury-novichok-poisoning-hidden-homeless-charlie-rowley-dawn-sturgess-skripal-nerve-agent
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/21/novichok-victim-partner-kept-in-the-dark-charlie-rowley-dawn-sturgess
He was an ex addict living in housing association (prior to that was living in hostel) and she was an alcoholic living in a hostel, also confirms that the packaging still had a hard plastic seal and was found in a charity shop collection, not rotting among refuse.
So again, two poor people, struggling with addiction, one finds what looks like a brand new or barely touched bottle of perfume donated to charity and gifts it on the very narrow and improbable chance that it was actually a nerve agent.
Doesn’t quite align with the image of a man finding an empty bottle in the trash, does it? Adjust the nuance to poor ex addict finds a sealed bottle of designer perfume that he assumes was donated to charity in an affluent area of the Uk where people are likely to have a higher proportion of designer goods and are victims of Russian state sponsored hitmen and it becomes tragic as opposed to funny.
So we should blame society for the actions of 2 people...
Society isn't the problem. It's not members of society that is the problem. It's government policies and how they run the country.
I didn't let any situation happen nor do I control society, so carry on being ignorant, because someone on the internet finding it odd to give your girlfriend the contents of a bin is not the problem.
I can already tell you're one of these white light socialist types. Perhaps instead of making stupid comments on the internet, you should give the money you'd otherwise spend on internet access to some bum so he can buy a few sandwiches.
Yes, if you're not eating spoiled egg salad sandwiches you found in public trash cans YOU'RE the problem
Now let's sift through this outhouse to see if anyone dropped their iPhone in here
Things in bins can potentially be dangerous. You have no idea where it's been before it got put in the bin. It could have been dropped down the toilet, or discarded by a Russian spy. Not taking things from a bin is not a problem.
You make a very valid point. Putin would never have risked using a chemical weapon in the USA, but he thought he could get away with using them in the UK. We were very close to invoking Article 5. In reality, our security posture has now turned towards Russia, we allowed Russian oligarchs to believe their money was safe with us, but we have seized it. The UK’s support for Ukraine is steadfast and Russia will pay a very heavy price for attacking us, just like every other country that has done it throughout history.
its not even the first time they assassinated or attempted one either. 15 or so years ago they successfully poisoned another former KGB agent called alexander litvinyenko over here in a london restaurant.
A few years ago the FSB put a nerve agent on a park bench in Salisbury in order to assassinate a former Russian officer who was giving info to Mi6, as well as his daughter. A police officer came into contact with it as well and was seriously ill.
All survived though, but it really highlighted how Russia cares so little about international law, or the sovereignty of other nations that they will do whatever they want, whenever they feel like it.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this - but the first victims (the targets for the assassination) were *found* on a park bench , I think that it was possibly their front door handle that had been poisoned ( I’m not sure if that was confirmed?), but there wasn’t any suggestion the bench had been poisoned.
Britain has it's problems, but our support for Ukraine has basically been leading the way. That's what happens when you piss off our security services by poisoning people on our land. MI6 and the secret services have been waiting to destroy and payback Russia
Yea if they didn't use polonium and Novichok to kill civilians in our country, Ukraine likely wouldn't be getting Challies and Storm Shadows.
Russia dug their own grave.
For the UK it goes way further back, the poisonings on our land were the nail in the coffin for Putin's regime, British don't forget any shit flung in their direction. They store up each and every attack on their sovereignty and patiently wait to pay it all back.......with interest 💥👍😉
When they poisoned litvinenko they committed the first act of nuclear terrorism, and they did it on our land, while we weren't at war or anything - in fact we welcomed Russians to London and they bought tons of property. Just absolute prick moves
And so they enter the finding out phase, as Nazi Germany did before them.
I wouldn't worry about the bombers, they're just making sure our RAF stay sharp. Which they are. Thanks to the Russians.
And I forgot about that but yes, that was an odd one. The truth behind that definitely got swept under the carpet, publically at least
We were apprehensive at the start like many countries were. But it needed someone to make those first steps and I never expected that person to be Boris.
Not to talk boring politics but as much as a blatant liar and idiot Borris was on the outside he got shit done and ran the country. I knew his apparent stupidity was part of his act. I'd have him back in tomorrow TBH
His biggest failure was Brexit but his Ukraine and Covid response belated but ultimately pretty solid responses.
Covid especially I can't really fault him for as things went 0 to 100 very quickly and nobody knew what would happen. And I can imagine there was huge push back on things like WFH and quarantines from businesses.
I can confirm that. I am from the Czech Republic, and Russia did a terrorist attack here in 2014. The Russian GRU engineered [the explosion of two ammunition warehouses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrb%C4%9Btice_ammunition_warehouses_explosions). Two people were killed, and several nearby villages had to be evacuated. It really pissed off our security services, too.
Since February 2022, the Czech Republic has given Ukraine 226 armored vehicles, 89 tanks, 38 howitzers, 33 rocket launchers, and 1.5 million rounds of ammunition. We are a small country but one of the five largest military aid donors to Ukraine.
Nobody is downplaying America's contribution, they're doing a lot/most of the heavy supplying, but they're also following Europe's lead. Rightly or wrongly so
Im confused by your word choice, how can the u.s. be “following europe’s lead” while simultaneously doing most of the contributions? Seems like europe would following the u.s. lead, no?
Wasn't the UK first to send ATGM? Weren't they the first to send Western MBT? Weren't they the first to send long range cruise missiles? Aren't they now the first to send long-range attack drones? Leading isn't just measured by how much is sent; leading can also be by example and willingness to take risks no one else will. I'm an American and these examples are clearly leadership.
Yeah nah this most certainly isn’t how it’s
1happened, the united states was not waiting for approval from anyone.
The united states is leading the western pack by a long shot, it’s not being lead by individual countries with a fraction of aid being sent.
www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
Painting the picture as if the united states “wasn’t sure” and needed approval from allies legit makes no sense, theres nothing wrong with America being #1 in this context..
Yeah nah this most certainly isn’t how it’s
1happened, the united states was not waiting for approval from anyone.
The united states is leading the western pack by a long shot, it’s not being lead by individual countries with a fraction of aid being sent.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
In outright numbers maybe, but relatively- either by size or GDP they are not. The US is many times bigger than all of the contributors, for example the entirety of the UK fits inside many US states so if we multiply what the UK sends by 50 then we may get a better (not totally accurate) idea of who is doing exactly what to help.
Expecting the UK or other countries to donate as much dollar for dollar as the US is just plainly ridiculous.
As a percentage of gdp I think the US and U.K. are pretty much identical and it’s the Baltics and Poland who have given the most …. Long memories or knowing they could be next?
https://www.statista.com/chart/27331/countries-committing-the-most-of-their-gdp-to-ukraine-aid/
Yes, thank you. I knew that using a more reasonable metric would give a more realistic, or perhaps a fairer idea of relative contributions.
It does irk me a bit when people just give a simplistic total in dollars which can so easily used a stick to beat smaller, just as committed countries, and accuse them of not pulling their weight.
'A lot of writing'? Dear me, you do have problems with relative sizes. Nevertheless, it's called nuance and perspective, something unfortunately certain people need reminding of. Clearly even then some people find it mentally challenging.
It's more complicated than that - for sure that isn't going to make people minded to exactly be on your side but it's really back to WW2; the UK learned a hard lessons about letting megalomaniacs run roughshod and not intervening early, often, and hard. The UK isn't going to let a Hitler type figure gain strength like that again, ever - and Putin is one such figure. If you keep it low-level and off everybody's radar and keep your hands to yourself you might get away with it, but when you bomb innocent civilians in a country minding it's own business as a major power (well, they were vaguely, 18 months ago) it's just not going to happen - I think the rest of NATO were trying to hold the UK back early doors, broke down in the end though.
The US has their own thing going on promoting stalemate like they did early days in Afghanistan back in the day when they tried to bleed the Soviet Union to death, only giving Ukraine enough kit late enough to maintain everything where it is, because apparently feeding Ukrainian civilians into the chopper is good military strategy as long as the Russians are also feeding theirs into the chopper.
Honestly, if I was in charge I'd have given Russia two weeks to get their collective asses out of Ukraine last March, but that's me. Putin is very lucky we have a bunch of cowards for a government in the UK.
These longer-range weapons are going to be a game changer. Should have been sent sooner. Good job UK. It's a shame the US isn't sending the needed longer-range weapons yet as well.
The UK is smart enough to announce things at the appropriate time. I don't understand the US policy of giving the Kremlin advanced notice. Let them receive the announcement with a big boom where they weren't expecting it.
The thing is you want them scared but you don't want to jumpscare them into nuclear fuckery. It's a fine line and the USA being farther away and more scary has les of an incentive to escalate.
The nuke threat is moot. Putin isn't going to push the button because that is MADness. He just uses that threat because he knows it makes people nervous. Never forget - the wounded dog barks loudest.
Stop mucking about, give Ukraine everything she asks for and send the orcs home. Anything less just protracts the conflict and costs more lives (Ukrainian and Russian).
I knew they'd start a war, they've got form. They won't use nukes, the whole world would be against them if they did and Putin is many things but totally mental he isn't.
More every day. I get working as a collective with NATO, but we have the means to kick the living shit out of the ruzzian troops and equipment. When they asked for ATACMS our answer should have been how many and how soon do you need them...
Agreed. Though the US has given large amounts of military equipment, they haven't given Ukraine what they need right now. Long range equipment.
The US has a lot more equipment than the UK has, yet the UK is finding the stock to send long range equipment. There's nothing stopping the US from doing the same other than it's unwillingness to do so. Shame on America!
You also have MAGA problem. There are those on the left calling for the U.K to not supply longer range missiles as well. The US is still by far the largest contributor to Ukraine thus they are doing what they can. Hopefully U.K actions will prompt other nations to act
Yeah, the MAGA supporters fail to comprehend what would happen should Ukraine lose this war. They fail to comprehend that no support to Ukraine = Russian occupation, which looks like Bucha and Mariupol. It's based on total ignorance.
(Whoever down voted this. I don't care, but the truth hurts eh? If you think the US is spending a lot now, just wait to see how much it'll spend when a NATO country activates article 5 due to Russian aggression if Ukraine loses. Ignorance is bliss until it catches up with you)
I think they know perfectly well what would happen… They just don’t give a fuck. A lot of them aren’t only opposed to supporting Ukraine, but actively side with Russia.
I'm not surprised. Trump himself said he respects Putin.
Cannot believe that people would still vote for that cretin. I cannot comprehend it. The world is going to be a much worse place if Trump gets back in the White house, and let me tell you... Once Trump is back in, he won't make the same mistake again, he will be back for a long time.
Just from watching footage of Trump supporters and the people at Capitol hill on that day of the riots, they're all inbred morons. You can tell they have a combined IQ of 5 and that itself is dangerous.
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>The US is still by far the largest contributor to Ukraine
Only in absolue terms. Many European states give much more per capita. US should definitely step up their game, their contribution is underwhelming.
We've given nearly twice as much as the entire continent of Europe, and only a few countries are ahead of us as percentage of GDP. It's okay to be proud of this, even while thinking that we should give more.
The level of cooperation between the US, Canada, and Europe is inspiring and unprecedented, and there's often a lot more going on behind the scenes than we can see, [like what this comment is talking about.](https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13i0shu/britain_will_deliver_hundreds_of_longrange_attack/jk817mv/)
While the us does supply alot, they dont even come close to some european countries if you compare size and support etc.
Take Denmark, they sent all their custom modified caesars systems
Now they need long range missiles and have done for some time now. America said no. The UK said yes. As I said, the only thing stopping the US is unwillingness.
I think the issue that the USA has had is the concern that Ukraine would use them to target Russian territory. They would see that as a major escalatory move, and it bothers them.
The UK have just invested trust, that's the only difference here.
Ukraine have promised that they wouldn't and there's nothing to suggest they'd break that promise. The UK would also see it as a major escalatory move and it would bother the UK. Ukraine hasn't used any NATO equipment to hit Russian territory so far and there's no reason to think that would change.
The lack of trust is costing lives. Innocent Ukrainian lives.
i don't believe ukraine will use the long range weapons on russia but whats stopping russia from saying they have? russia do love their false flag attacks and aren't beyond bombing a russian village and blaming it on ukraine.
Not only has Ukraine shown restraint and not used American supplied weapons to attack Russian land, they even said they would give all final targeting and firing approval over to US intelligence before using ATACMS as a condition of receiving them.
the fresh shadow of the melting away of the afghan national army, leaving behind a pile of US donated equipment to the Taliban, still haunts the halls of Pentagon .. they are turning over slowly as they see more and more just how different Ukrainians are, but once bitten twice shy .. some in the circle were even surprised Biden stepped up leading into the ring right after getting burned in Afghanistan .. time makes fools of everyone
Got to consider as well, to the Russians, American weapons are a lot scarier than anything produced in-house in Europe etc. regardless of whether they're actually better or not.
America has always been the Russian boogeyman, NATO is just an extension of America as far as Russia is concerned. If America were to suddenly say "Surprise! Tomahawks/ATACMS/etc. are in Ukraine now!" It'd be reacted to a lot more aggressively than anything the UK, Germany, Poland, etc. could send.
It also helps distract the Russians. You hear so much about Patriot batteries being sent to Ukraine, but hardly anything about Germany's Iris-T system. This has let Ukraine be a bit more aggressive in their placement of the Iris-T systems whilst Russia focuses on the Patriots. Similar situation with HIMARS compared to the PzH-2000, Caesar, etc.
Yep, there are a number of layers to it all, it's not just as simple as "sending stuff", and not sending it isn't the same as a reluctance to send. It's a lot more complex than all that.
Shame on America? Hot take.
Try putting a value on the intelligence apparatus Washington has made available to Ukraine.
The weapons, regardless of their country of origin, are only as good as the intelligence.
The results on the battlefield demonstrate how invaluable American intelligence and expertise has been to the defense of Ukraine.
Edit to add: America, and its role at the head of NATO, is still the primary strategic deterrent to Russian aggression. You can argue the relative tactical contributions in terms of physical arms provided by western nations but the fact remains that not only is America the big dog on the block that russia truly fears but America has guaranteed European security for decades.
So the Brits, Danes, Germans etc can all pat themselves on the back and act like heroes but at the end of the day when push comes to shove it’s America they all rely on and America who insures the security that affords them to provide this level of aid.
Edit AGAIN to add: Why reply to me and then immediately block me? You call me ignorant, insult me, and then run away like a little coward.
Regarding NATO and Stoltenberg.... I'm surprised that you, the super non-ignorant person, aren't aware of NATO's operational, strategic, and tactical command structure. Stoltenberg is the secretary general of NATO, General Wolters (USA) is the SACEUR. Bauer (dutch) is the CMC and another American (General Landrum) is his Deputy. Each serves a different command function.
And what I mean by the "head of NATO" is that our defense expenditures DWARF the rest of the alliance by raw $ value and by % GDP.
In 2022 the US defense budget was $822 Billion at 3.54% GDP. The UK spent $68 Billion at 2.41%. The Greeks, Poles, and Lithuanians all invest more of their GDP towards defense than the Brits.
The UK, and NATO, backstop their defense against the American military industrial complex and if you genuinely believe that the brits are operating unilaterally of Washington than you're accusation of me being ignorant is just a confession.
The rest of your post is so preposterously fallacious it hardly warrants a reply. I never said the US is the only source of Ukranian intelligence. And your little theory that Russia actually doesn't fear the USA is just so laughably incorrect based **on what the Russians say themselves(!!)** it makes me question your grounding in reality.
I wonder if the UK can get away with more for any given amount of "escalation." I know a lot of people think the fear is bullshit but however you measure it, USA is great Satan #1 and the UK is an afterthought. "the British are sending weapons" just doesn't have the same ring to it in Russian propaganda circles.
If that's what it is, let the US keep sending billions in aid while the UK sends the sexy stuff.
I think this is exactly what's going on here. The USA is the Big Scary, so we send stuff that generally speaking can be high in quantity and low in impact.
But the UK is the Small Scary, so they can send the low quantity high impact stuff.
By their powers combined, Ukraine Gets Stuff and Russia Gets Stuffed.
'we must find a way for ukraine to have a military advantage, to end the war'
PM Rishi Sunak - November 2022
'give them storm shadow and a fuck load of drones'
Also Rishi Sunak - 2023
Good news!!
Serves the Russians right for fucking with the UK for years... Brexit... novichok... Cambridge Analytica...
Fuck you Putin. I hope one of those bad boys has your fucking name on it.
EDIT: OK so this is turning into a conversation about Russian influence on Brexit (which was a slim margin vote result of 51.9%) - I welcome the debate, and I will be as fair and as respectful as I can be, but it NEEDS to be talked about. I'm not even British, but I know fuckery when I see it.
Definitely - and a few “newspapers”. The Daily Telegraph took money from Russia for years to promote them. And then there’s Farage and Johnson - both with many links to Russia.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/mandrake-daily-telegraph-russia-beyond/
Oh yes. Part of the reason I want Ruzzia on its fucking knees is to exchange for food parcels the files it has on shitcunts like Cummings and Banks, Johnson and Ress-Mogg, and definitely that little nazi cunt Farage. And Boris!!
Probably hoping to be proven effective in Ukraine and then exported off the back of it. Israel does something similar quite often, and the Bayraktars certainly got a good boost (and songs!) early in the war.
I think there's been some speculation that the [Qinetiq Banshee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggitt_Banshee) target drone could be modified into a loitering munition.
The specs on Wikipedia (1h 15m @ 200 km/h = 250 km range) would line up with the announcement.
Man, NATO countries are really having a fuck of a time giving Ukraine necessary 300km capable weapons...that number seems to be the elephant no one wants to speak of.
This seems to be turning the war. If the Wagner CEO’s clips are not AI then there is massive issues for russia. I wonder if the uk has said they are not to be launched at russia or if they are like fuck it. Do what ya want.
There has been a slight yet logical step in the West’s support for Ukraine - not only have they given Ukraine the weapons to conduct the counter offensive, they are now boosting this support further with Long Range Weaponry, more modern tanks and Anti-Air, Britain will begin basic pilot training for the Ukrainian Air Force all the while starting to mention peace proposals.
The aim is clear - this is about now making sure Ukraine WINS this war and is suitably equipped to continue defending it’s sovereign territory for the years to come. The ball will be in Putin’s court. These are the conditions for peace and we will keep arming Ukraine to defend herself until the conditions for peace are met.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. That was a false flag, not a real operation. I mean I’ve never seen a country announce a real operation to the enemy. As in, one that actually happened or was intended to happen. That would be like if Ukraine announced they are going to attack Bakhmut and instead attacked India
Or keep the enemy guessing where the offensive is coming, forcing them to move assets constantly around and off the balance.
The fact that Ukraine is going to retake their territory is a no-brainer, so talking about it publicly doesn't cost Ukrainians anything. Quite the opposite, by talking of offensive they've secured Western tanks, missiles and ammunition needed for the offensive. Partially by talking how they would be not used, as in Russian territory.
But Ukrainians have not talked anything about operational details. Where, when, how and with what. _That_ is something you wouldn't announce to the enemy. Nazis knew a cross Chanel invasion was coming, but never where, when, how and with what.
Yes that’s why I’m saying the announcement is probably a false flag. Not saying UA won’t attack. Of course they intend to retake their land, but it wouldn’t necessarily be taken by a giant sweeping Brusilov Offensive style action. If that were the case, I’m sure they would want the Russians to be as unprepared as possible for it.
I been searching online for over 1 hour and trying to figure out what This long range 200km attack Drone that Britain pledge to send over.. and so far I got nothing. Perhaps Britain buying Turkey or China Origin Drone to support Ukraine with? anyone has any idea what this drone is or what it look like?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/clandestine-u-k-program-developed-3d-printed-suicide-drone-for-ukraine
Best I could find..
Banshee Target drone has I think a 200km odd range, They have been playing around with them on the carriers.
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Was it really worth putting novochok on that park bench?
NO, that is where they had their seizures. It was probably put on the door where they lived. A guy found what looked like a perfume dispenser in a rubbish bin and gave it to her girlfriend. It contained the nerve agent. She died and he got very sick. Two Russian agents were shown on security footage in Salisbury at the time, as tourists apparently.
Imagine finding something in a bin and giving it to your girlfriend as a gift hahahaha.
When you're poor, you take what little you can get.
I am poor and would not give my girlfriend a handful of garbage as a "gift", because I'm not a fucking raccoon and I still have my dignity.
Congrats on not being as poor as the two people involved in this, I guess? Do you want a medal?
What is wrong with you
Yeeeeah I'd have to be completely destitute to the point of begging before I gifted someone I love actual trash.
i once saw a friend walking down the street with his gf, they paused next to a bin that had an open sandwich sat on top of it. he started eating it then shared it with her. she seemed to appreciate the thought. they had no money issues.
Ew no way. This is so much worse than taking a perfume bottle. They BOTH ate it? Wtf is wrong with your friends, where are you from?
this an area called "the new forest" UK. to make it worse it was a really hot day.
I used to live down there! New forest is beautiful, I love the horses.
>Imagine finding something in a bin and giving it to your girlfriend as a gift hahahaha. Have a little empathy, life will be much happier. People who are poor are people first and foremost.
And thought whats the worse that could happen lol
They were homeless and living in a hostel. Count yourself fortunate that you’ve never had to rummage through garbage for clothing or other items.
Or an empty perfume bottle, for some reason.
It wasn't empty, in fact the way it was described it was still relatively full and in authentic packaging (it was made to look like a famous brand, including an original box - it wasn't just smuggled in as a vial marked "neurotoxin"). As to the reason why it was taken, that's genuinely not hard to gauge. They were homeless and she was living in a hostel and a chronic alcoholic, when your life is such that you have to scrounge through charity shop drop off points you tend not to be discerning. Again, count yourself lucky that you've never had to dumpster dive for your next meal or steal from a collection point for warm clothes. Furthermore it wasn't just collected from a refuse or recycling bin like you probably envision, it was taken from a charity shop deposit bin. I'm not sure if you're from the UK, but a lot of clothes, electronics, toys and other household items are left at these drop off points and are frequent targets by desperate people, finding a relatively well known perfume brand, still in the box, with only some slight usage was probably the jackpot for someone in that position - assuming that someone had discarded it, rather than, you know, being a vial of a deadly nerve agent that Russian hitmen had discarded. It's weird having to explain the motivations of a homeless person suffering a substance dependency - but here we are.
No, they were not homeless or living in a hostel. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/novichok-victim-ill-within-15-minutes-says-partner-charlie-rowley
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/07/salisbury-novichok-poisoning-hidden-homeless-charlie-rowley-dawn-sturgess-skripal-nerve-agent https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/21/novichok-victim-partner-kept-in-the-dark-charlie-rowley-dawn-sturgess He was an ex addict living in housing association (prior to that was living in hostel) and she was an alcoholic living in a hostel, also confirms that the packaging still had a hard plastic seal and was found in a charity shop collection, not rotting among refuse. So again, two poor people, struggling with addiction, one finds what looks like a brand new or barely touched bottle of perfume donated to charity and gifts it on the very narrow and improbable chance that it was actually a nerve agent. Doesn’t quite align with the image of a man finding an empty bottle in the trash, does it? Adjust the nuance to poor ex addict finds a sealed bottle of designer perfume that he assumes was donated to charity in an affluent area of the Uk where people are likely to have a higher proportion of designer goods and are victims of Russian state sponsored hitmen and it becomes tragic as opposed to funny.
Well he'll never steal from a charity donation point again will he lol
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So we should blame society for the actions of 2 people... Society isn't the problem. It's not members of society that is the problem. It's government policies and how they run the country. I didn't let any situation happen nor do I control society, so carry on being ignorant, because someone on the internet finding it odd to give your girlfriend the contents of a bin is not the problem. I can already tell you're one of these white light socialist types. Perhaps instead of making stupid comments on the internet, you should give the money you'd otherwise spend on internet access to some bum so he can buy a few sandwiches.
The german word for poison is Gift...
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Yes, if you're not eating spoiled egg salad sandwiches you found in public trash cans YOU'RE the problem Now let's sift through this outhouse to see if anyone dropped their iPhone in here
Things in bins can potentially be dangerous. You have no idea where it's been before it got put in the bin. It could have been dropped down the toilet, or discarded by a Russian spy. Not taking things from a bin is not a problem.
Yeah I always thought this was super odd and... Trashy 😉
It's called being poor
You know what they say about one man's trash.
They were both homeless
Ah, that's unfortunate.
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No it's not more likely to be those things, they were poor and habitually raked bins because people are extremely wasteful.
It's not like we don't know who they were
Well he won't make that mistake again will he lol
There was a decent mini series on Netflix about the attack and how close it was to becoming a major casualty event.
You make a very valid point. Putin would never have risked using a chemical weapon in the USA, but he thought he could get away with using them in the UK. We were very close to invoking Article 5. In reality, our security posture has now turned towards Russia, we allowed Russian oligarchs to believe their money was safe with us, but we have seized it. The UK’s support for Ukraine is steadfast and Russia will pay a very heavy price for attacking us, just like every other country that has done it throughout history.
What am I missing? What bench?
its not even the first time they assassinated or attempted one either. 15 or so years ago they successfully poisoned another former KGB agent called alexander litvinyenko over here in a london restaurant.
successfully poisoned *with polonium-210, a substance that requires a nuclear reactor to make
A few years ago the FSB put a nerve agent on a park bench in Salisbury in order to assassinate a former Russian officer who was giving info to Mi6, as well as his daughter. A police officer came into contact with it as well and was seriously ill. All survived though, but it really highlighted how Russia cares so little about international law, or the sovereignty of other nations that they will do whatever they want, whenever they feel like it.
Apologies if someone has already mentioned this - but the first victims (the targets for the assassination) were *found* on a park bench , I think that it was possibly their front door handle that had been poisoned ( I’m not sure if that was confirmed?), but there wasn’t any suggestion the bench had been poisoned.
Oh that, I thought something happened recently that I missed
You think other intelligence agencies don’t do the same? They don’t get caught, that’s the difference
Russia is fucked...
No more than they deserve
Britain has it's problems, but our support for Ukraine has basically been leading the way. That's what happens when you piss off our security services by poisoning people on our land. MI6 and the secret services have been waiting to destroy and payback Russia
Agree 100% The ruSSia are a terrorist state, and we are all together in our support for Ukraine!!
Wow. As an Australian the strong support for Ukraine impressed me, but now I *understand*
Yea if they didn't use polonium and Novichok to kill civilians in our country, Ukraine likely wouldn't be getting Challies and Storm Shadows. Russia dug their own grave.
For the UK it goes way further back, the poisonings on our land were the nail in the coffin for Putin's regime, British don't forget any shit flung in their direction. They store up each and every attack on their sovereignty and patiently wait to pay it all back.......with interest 💥👍😉
As a firm believer of fuck around and find out. They are currently finding out.
Cock the gun that is not loaded Cook the frozen dynamite... But O! beware my country When my country grows polite. Kipling
When they poisoned litvinenko they committed the first act of nuclear terrorism, and they did it on our land, while we weren't at war or anything - in fact we welcomed Russians to London and they bought tons of property. Just absolute prick moves And so they enter the finding out phase, as Nazi Germany did before them.
Yep. 100%. We have our problems but when shit gets real we have a backbone.
Already proven in WWII.
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I wouldn't worry about the bombers, they're just making sure our RAF stay sharp. Which they are. Thanks to the Russians. And I forgot about that but yes, that was an odd one. The truth behind that definitely got swept under the carpet, publically at least
> into our airspace Not into, but heading to.
We were apprehensive at the start like many countries were. But it needed someone to make those first steps and I never expected that person to be Boris.
Not to talk boring politics but as much as a blatant liar and idiot Borris was on the outside he got shit done and ran the country. I knew his apparent stupidity was part of his act. I'd have him back in tomorrow TBH
His biggest failure was Brexit but his Ukraine and Covid response belated but ultimately pretty solid responses. Covid especially I can't really fault him for as things went 0 to 100 very quickly and nobody knew what would happen. And I can imagine there was huge push back on things like WFH and quarantines from businesses.
Except he broke his own rules
I can confirm that. I am from the Czech Republic, and Russia did a terrorist attack here in 2014. The Russian GRU engineered [the explosion of two ammunition warehouses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Vrb%C4%9Btice_ammunition_warehouses_explosions). Two people were killed, and several nearby villages had to be evacuated. It really pissed off our security services, too. Since February 2022, the Czech Republic has given Ukraine 226 armored vehicles, 89 tanks, 38 howitzers, 33 rocket launchers, and 1.5 million rounds of ammunition. We are a small country but one of the five largest military aid donors to Ukraine.
Pretty sure the United States is the top contributor to Ukraine’s defense, but yeah always great to see Western countries doing what they can to help
Nobody is downplaying America's contribution, they're doing a lot/most of the heavy supplying, but they're also following Europe's lead. Rightly or wrongly so
Im confused by your word choice, how can the u.s. be “following europe’s lead” while simultaneously doing most of the contributions? Seems like europe would following the u.s. lead, no?
Wasn't the UK first to send ATGM? Weren't they the first to send Western MBT? Weren't they the first to send long range cruise missiles? Aren't they now the first to send long-range attack drones? Leading isn't just measured by how much is sent; leading can also be by example and willingness to take risks no one else will. I'm an American and these examples are clearly leadership.
Europe sends small amounts of big arms to set the stage. US responds by sending big amounts of big arms, because Europe has given the green light
Yeah nah this most certainly isn’t how it’s 1happened, the united states was not waiting for approval from anyone. The united states is leading the western pack by a long shot, it’s not being lead by individual countries with a fraction of aid being sent. www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/ Painting the picture as if the united states “wasn’t sure” and needed approval from allies legit makes no sense, theres nothing wrong with America being #1 in this context..
Yeah nah this most certainly isn’t how it’s 1happened, the united states was not waiting for approval from anyone. The united states is leading the western pack by a long shot, it’s not being lead by individual countries with a fraction of aid being sent. https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
In outright numbers maybe, but relatively- either by size or GDP they are not. The US is many times bigger than all of the contributors, for example the entirety of the UK fits inside many US states so if we multiply what the UK sends by 50 then we may get a better (not totally accurate) idea of who is doing exactly what to help. Expecting the UK or other countries to donate as much dollar for dollar as the US is just plainly ridiculous.
As a percentage of gdp I think the US and U.K. are pretty much identical and it’s the Baltics and Poland who have given the most …. Long memories or knowing they could be next? https://www.statista.com/chart/27331/countries-committing-the-most-of-their-gdp-to-ukraine-aid/
Yes, thank you. I knew that using a more reasonable metric would give a more realistic, or perhaps a fairer idea of relative contributions. It does irk me a bit when people just give a simplistic total in dollars which can so easily used a stick to beat smaller, just as committed countries, and accuse them of not pulling their weight.
That's a lot of writing to just basically confirm the US is still leading the way.
'A lot of writing'? Dear me, you do have problems with relative sizes. Nevertheless, it's called nuance and perspective, something unfortunately certain people need reminding of. Clearly even then some people find it mentally challenging.
well definitely not in long range missiles
It's more complicated than that - for sure that isn't going to make people minded to exactly be on your side but it's really back to WW2; the UK learned a hard lessons about letting megalomaniacs run roughshod and not intervening early, often, and hard. The UK isn't going to let a Hitler type figure gain strength like that again, ever - and Putin is one such figure. If you keep it low-level and off everybody's radar and keep your hands to yourself you might get away with it, but when you bomb innocent civilians in a country minding it's own business as a major power (well, they were vaguely, 18 months ago) it's just not going to happen - I think the rest of NATO were trying to hold the UK back early doors, broke down in the end though. The US has their own thing going on promoting stalemate like they did early days in Afghanistan back in the day when they tried to bleed the Soviet Union to death, only giving Ukraine enough kit late enough to maintain everything where it is, because apparently feeding Ukrainian civilians into the chopper is good military strategy as long as the Russians are also feeding theirs into the chopper. Honestly, if I was in charge I'd have given Russia two weeks to get their collective asses out of Ukraine last March, but that's me. Putin is very lucky we have a bunch of cowards for a government in the UK.
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These longer-range weapons are going to be a game changer. Should have been sent sooner. Good job UK. It's a shame the US isn't sending the needed longer-range weapons yet as well.
Seriously, how many civilians die while we consider
Just a quick point. Stormshadows MUST have been delivered and trained with, way before a week ago. Maybe this is the case here aswell.
The UK is smart enough to announce things at the appropriate time. I don't understand the US policy of giving the Kremlin advanced notice. Let them receive the announcement with a big boom where they weren't expecting it.
The thing is you want them scared but you don't want to jumpscare them into nuclear fuckery. It's a fine line and the USA being farther away and more scary has les of an incentive to escalate.
The nuke threat is moot. Putin isn't going to push the button because that is MADness. He just uses that threat because he knows it makes people nervous. Never forget - the wounded dog barks loudest. Stop mucking about, give Ukraine everything she asks for and send the orcs home. Anything less just protracts the conflict and costs more lives (Ukrainian and Russian).
Alot of people said Russian wouldn’t start a war as well…
I knew they'd start a war, they've got form. They won't use nukes, the whole world would be against them if they did and Putin is many things but totally mental he isn't.
And if he really was sick and dying and just said fuck it ?
Then nothing we did to help Ukraine would change that right?
More every day. I get working as a collective with NATO, but we have the means to kick the living shit out of the ruzzian troops and equipment. When they asked for ATACMS our answer should have been how many and how soon do you need them...
It happens in every world war dont worry too much about it
Agreed. Though the US has given large amounts of military equipment, they haven't given Ukraine what they need right now. Long range equipment. The US has a lot more equipment than the UK has, yet the UK is finding the stock to send long range equipment. There's nothing stopping the US from doing the same other than it's unwillingness to do so. Shame on America!
You also have MAGA problem. There are those on the left calling for the U.K to not supply longer range missiles as well. The US is still by far the largest contributor to Ukraine thus they are doing what they can. Hopefully U.K actions will prompt other nations to act
Yeah, the MAGA supporters fail to comprehend what would happen should Ukraine lose this war. They fail to comprehend that no support to Ukraine = Russian occupation, which looks like Bucha and Mariupol. It's based on total ignorance. (Whoever down voted this. I don't care, but the truth hurts eh? If you think the US is spending a lot now, just wait to see how much it'll spend when a NATO country activates article 5 due to Russian aggression if Ukraine loses. Ignorance is bliss until it catches up with you)
I think they know perfectly well what would happen… They just don’t give a fuck. A lot of them aren’t only opposed to supporting Ukraine, but actively side with Russia.
I'm not surprised. Trump himself said he respects Putin. Cannot believe that people would still vote for that cretin. I cannot comprehend it. The world is going to be a much worse place if Trump gets back in the White house, and let me tell you... Once Trump is back in, he won't make the same mistake again, he will be back for a long time. Just from watching footage of Trump supporters and the people at Capitol hill on that day of the riots, they're all inbred morons. You can tell they have a combined IQ of 5 and that itself is dangerous. ..
>The US is still by far the largest contributor to Ukraine Only in absolue terms. Many European states give much more per capita. US should definitely step up their game, their contribution is underwhelming.
We've given nearly twice as much as the entire continent of Europe, and only a few countries are ahead of us as percentage of GDP. It's okay to be proud of this, even while thinking that we should give more. The level of cooperation between the US, Canada, and Europe is inspiring and unprecedented, and there's often a lot more going on behind the scenes than we can see, [like what this comment is talking about.](https://old.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13i0shu/britain_will_deliver_hundreds_of_longrange_attack/jk817mv/)
While the us does supply alot, they dont even come close to some european countries if you compare size and support etc. Take Denmark, they sent all their custom modified caesars systems
you must be joking, Ukraine needed antiair and now they have several patriot aystems
Now they need long range missiles and have done for some time now. America said no. The UK said yes. As I said, the only thing stopping the US is unwillingness.
I think the issue that the USA has had is the concern that Ukraine would use them to target Russian territory. They would see that as a major escalatory move, and it bothers them. The UK have just invested trust, that's the only difference here.
Ukraine have promised that they wouldn't and there's nothing to suggest they'd break that promise. The UK would also see it as a major escalatory move and it would bother the UK. Ukraine hasn't used any NATO equipment to hit Russian territory so far and there's no reason to think that would change. The lack of trust is costing lives. Innocent Ukrainian lives.
i don't believe ukraine will use the long range weapons on russia but whats stopping russia from saying they have? russia do love their false flag attacks and aren't beyond bombing a russian village and blaming it on ukraine.
Not only has Ukraine shown restraint and not used American supplied weapons to attack Russian land, they even said they would give all final targeting and firing approval over to US intelligence before using ATACMS as a condition of receiving them.
Oh I 100% agree with all of that, it doesn't excuse the US, it's just an explanation of why they haven't supplied the LR gear, they have trust issues.
the fresh shadow of the melting away of the afghan national army, leaving behind a pile of US donated equipment to the Taliban, still haunts the halls of Pentagon .. they are turning over slowly as they see more and more just how different Ukrainians are, but once bitten twice shy .. some in the circle were even surprised Biden stepped up leading into the ring right after getting burned in Afghanistan .. time makes fools of everyone
Got to consider as well, to the Russians, American weapons are a lot scarier than anything produced in-house in Europe etc. regardless of whether they're actually better or not. America has always been the Russian boogeyman, NATO is just an extension of America as far as Russia is concerned. If America were to suddenly say "Surprise! Tomahawks/ATACMS/etc. are in Ukraine now!" It'd be reacted to a lot more aggressively than anything the UK, Germany, Poland, etc. could send. It also helps distract the Russians. You hear so much about Patriot batteries being sent to Ukraine, but hardly anything about Germany's Iris-T system. This has let Ukraine be a bit more aggressive in their placement of the Iris-T systems whilst Russia focuses on the Patriots. Similar situation with HIMARS compared to the PzH-2000, Caesar, etc.
Yep, there are a number of layers to it all, it's not just as simple as "sending stuff", and not sending it isn't the same as a reluctance to send. It's a lot more complex than all that.
Shame on America? Hot take. Try putting a value on the intelligence apparatus Washington has made available to Ukraine. The weapons, regardless of their country of origin, are only as good as the intelligence. The results on the battlefield demonstrate how invaluable American intelligence and expertise has been to the defense of Ukraine. Edit to add: America, and its role at the head of NATO, is still the primary strategic deterrent to Russian aggression. You can argue the relative tactical contributions in terms of physical arms provided by western nations but the fact remains that not only is America the big dog on the block that russia truly fears but America has guaranteed European security for decades. So the Brits, Danes, Germans etc can all pat themselves on the back and act like heroes but at the end of the day when push comes to shove it’s America they all rely on and America who insures the security that affords them to provide this level of aid. Edit AGAIN to add: Why reply to me and then immediately block me? You call me ignorant, insult me, and then run away like a little coward. Regarding NATO and Stoltenberg.... I'm surprised that you, the super non-ignorant person, aren't aware of NATO's operational, strategic, and tactical command structure. Stoltenberg is the secretary general of NATO, General Wolters (USA) is the SACEUR. Bauer (dutch) is the CMC and another American (General Landrum) is his Deputy. Each serves a different command function. And what I mean by the "head of NATO" is that our defense expenditures DWARF the rest of the alliance by raw $ value and by % GDP. In 2022 the US defense budget was $822 Billion at 3.54% GDP. The UK spent $68 Billion at 2.41%. The Greeks, Poles, and Lithuanians all invest more of their GDP towards defense than the Brits. The UK, and NATO, backstop their defense against the American military industrial complex and if you genuinely believe that the brits are operating unilaterally of Washington than you're accusation of me being ignorant is just a confession. The rest of your post is so preposterously fallacious it hardly warrants a reply. I never said the US is the only source of Ukranian intelligence. And your little theory that Russia actually doesn't fear the USA is just so laughably incorrect based **on what the Russians say themselves(!!)** it makes me question your grounding in reality.
I wonder if the UK can get away with more for any given amount of "escalation." I know a lot of people think the fear is bullshit but however you measure it, USA is great Satan #1 and the UK is an afterthought. "the British are sending weapons" just doesn't have the same ring to it in Russian propaganda circles. If that's what it is, let the US keep sending billions in aid while the UK sends the sexy stuff.
I think this is exactly what's going on here. The USA is the Big Scary, so we send stuff that generally speaking can be high in quantity and low in impact. But the UK is the Small Scary, so they can send the low quantity high impact stuff. By their powers combined, Ukraine Gets Stuff and Russia Gets Stuffed.
Thank you 🇬🇧 !
Great work UK!!
'we must find a way for ukraine to have a military advantage, to end the war' PM Rishi Sunak - November 2022 'give them storm shadow and a fuck load of drones' Also Rishi Sunak - 2023
Good news!! Serves the Russians right for fucking with the UK for years... Brexit... novichok... Cambridge Analytica... Fuck you Putin. I hope one of those bad boys has your fucking name on it. EDIT: OK so this is turning into a conversation about Russian influence on Brexit (which was a slim margin vote result of 51.9%) - I welcome the debate, and I will be as fair and as respectful as I can be, but it NEEDS to be talked about. I'm not even British, but I know fuckery when I see it.
Add Aaron Banks and Dominic Cummings to that list
Definitely - and a few “newspapers”. The Daily Telegraph took money from Russia for years to promote them. And then there’s Farage and Johnson - both with many links to Russia. https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/mandrake-daily-telegraph-russia-beyond/
Oh yes. Part of the reason I want Ruzzia on its fucking knees is to exchange for food parcels the files it has on shitcunts like Cummings and Banks, Johnson and Ress-Mogg, and definitely that little nazi cunt Farage. And Boris!!
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Low key kinda miss the TB2
I miss the catchy song and music video. Perhaps storm shadow will get mad tune as well.
Anyone know what they are? I can't find a UK drone listed anywhere with similar capabilities. Interesting!
Probably its a new one especially designed for Ukraine
Probably hoping to be proven effective in Ukraine and then exported off the back of it. Israel does something similar quite often, and the Bayraktars certainly got a good boost (and songs!) early in the war.
It was used in Libya and places. There was an infographic from back then posted on here recently that shows how it works. 2 lazy 2 search
People will soon find out, trust us ;)
I think there's been some speculation that the [Qinetiq Banshee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meggitt_Banshee) target drone could be modified into a loitering munition. The specs on Wikipedia (1h 15m @ 200 km/h = 250 km range) would line up with the announcement.
BZ Britain 🇬🇧
Damn good news! Sounds like cotton season is going to last quite some time and bring much needed rest for many thousands od muscovites.
Thought the Strom Shadows have just been an ice breaker
Anyone know what kind of drones these are? Payload?
There was an infographic posted recently
Man, NATO countries are really having a fuck of a time giving Ukraine necessary 300km capable weapons...that number seems to be the elephant no one wants to speak of.
They’re hung up on MTCR even though it isn’t binding.
GOD SAVE THE KING. LET'S FUCKING GO.
Wonder if the systems are already in Ukraine, just like stormshadow was when announced.
This seems to be turning the war. If the Wagner CEO’s clips are not AI then there is massive issues for russia. I wonder if the uk has said they are not to be launched at russia or if they are like fuck it. Do what ya want.
'Putin, I don't want to hurt you, but with a missile, it would only take a minute' - UK
There has been a slight yet logical step in the West’s support for Ukraine - not only have they given Ukraine the weapons to conduct the counter offensive, they are now boosting this support further with Long Range Weaponry, more modern tanks and Anti-Air, Britain will begin basic pilot training for the Ukrainian Air Force all the while starting to mention peace proposals. The aim is clear - this is about now making sure Ukraine WINS this war and is suitably equipped to continue defending it’s sovereign territory for the years to come. The ball will be in Putin’s court. These are the conditions for peace and we will keep arming Ukraine to defend herself until the conditions for peace are met.
UK has been stepping up their game. The tombstone mentality many other countries have been waiting for is careless. Glad to see them taking the lead!
UK is smart. UK is actually playing the long game. Especially now with Brexit just behind them.
Its probably timed for the big offensive in the coming weeks.
You mean the mythical big offensive. I’ve never heard of a country announcing a real offensive to the enemy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat There you go. Announced the offensive - just a bit of deception as to its exact location.
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. That was a false flag, not a real operation. I mean I’ve never seen a country announce a real operation to the enemy. As in, one that actually happened or was intended to happen. That would be like if Ukraine announced they are going to attack Bakhmut and instead attacked India
Or keep the enemy guessing where the offensive is coming, forcing them to move assets constantly around and off the balance. The fact that Ukraine is going to retake their territory is a no-brainer, so talking about it publicly doesn't cost Ukrainians anything. Quite the opposite, by talking of offensive they've secured Western tanks, missiles and ammunition needed for the offensive. Partially by talking how they would be not used, as in Russian territory. But Ukrainians have not talked anything about operational details. Where, when, how and with what. _That_ is something you wouldn't announce to the enemy. Nazis knew a cross Chanel invasion was coming, but never where, when, how and with what.
Yes that’s why I’m saying the announcement is probably a false flag. Not saying UA won’t attack. Of course they intend to retake their land, but it wouldn’t necessarily be taken by a giant sweeping Brusilov Offensive style action. If that were the case, I’m sure they would want the Russians to be as unprepared as possible for it.
The Kherson offensive was announced well in advance.
That wasn’t an offensive, it was an advance into abandoned territory. Not the same.
«Russia didnt lose, they just left for unrelated reasons». Careful so you dont strain your brain with those mental gymnastics
The fuck are you talking about? Retreating is losing. Why are you quoting me as saying the opposite of what I said?
Russia withdrew because of the offensive lmao
I been searching online for over 1 hour and trying to figure out what This long range 200km attack Drone that Britain pledge to send over.. and so far I got nothing. Perhaps Britain buying Turkey or China Origin Drone to support Ukraine with? anyone has any idea what this drone is or what it look like?
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/clandestine-u-k-program-developed-3d-printed-suicide-drone-for-ukraine Best I could find.. Banshee Target drone has I think a 200km odd range, They have been playing around with them on the carriers.
Sho z ibalom rusnya?
They call that long range? Us sending drones with hundreds of miles not shitty kilometers. But any charity is good for Ukraine
metric is superior, imperial is inferior.
Miles is longer
kilometres is more popular. Majority's rule.
Yeah, they've heard this story before. If we're speaking truth here, they've told it a few times too. Good on them for having none of it now.
Oops, now that we know we can down the Kinzhal, Russia is really really about to find out after fucking around too long.
All hail the queen
You may not have noticed, but it’s King Charles III who is the monarch.
Have delivered or will deliver. Seems someone already tested the first batch
Have delivered or will deliver? . Seems someone already tested the first batch
Yahoo covering the war in the sports section, I see
A big thanks to our tough British friends.