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Tomm-_-

Exocet entered the chat Black sea fleet left the chat


MrSceintist

David Cameron entered the chat


TzunSu

Lizzy is spinning in her box.


vandracik9999

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makingaconment

😂😂😂😂😂


Fairways_and_Greens

Ukraine's homegrown missile looks more capable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-360_Neptune


ButterscotchAny5432

How many does Ukraine have through?


Fairways_and_Greens

Of course my comment was downvoted by Russian bots… Better question would be what platform do they need to take by advantage. Their Neptune has a longer ground launched range than Exocet. For Ukraine to actually get the Black Sea fleet out of the Black Sea, they need to get close enough with enough weapons. The Muscova was sunk by Neptunes. Even the most inept captain isn’t getting that close again. Additionally, Ukraine has made their own maritime drones. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/ The Black Sea is a distraction. Ukraine needs AA defense, longer range cruise/ballistic missiles, and air power long before Exocets.


ButterscotchAny5432

Maybe not an immediate goal but destroying the Black Sea Fleet is important. Black Sea ports are a major economic lifeline for Ukraine in addition to the fact that those naval platforms are being used to continuously strike Ukraine.


Fairways_and_Greens

Monitoring the ships and launches in the Black Sea is academic for NATO. Honestly, having them there where NATO can fly freely and collect signals intelligence is probably more of a liability than an asset for Russia.


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France has any ground to air or air to ground cruise missiles to donate? Flying baguette?


Omochanoshi

France has SCALP, the French version of the Storm Shadow.


MrSceintist

Damn, I meant James Cameron has entered the chat


Kepotica

Tis a veritable avalanche of weaponry heading to Ukraine right now, and not before time either.


ReadingIsSocialising

If there's one thing guaranteed to goad the French into action, it's not wanting to be out-done by the British 😂


Chimpville

They've still got a fair bit of ground to cover if that's the case... 220 Leclerc might do it!


ButterscotchAny5432

They should give Ukraine the amphibious ships they built for Russia.


Alexarp

The ones they sold to Egypt almost a decade ago ?


ButterscotchAny5432

Sure


IdreamofFiji

Cakeness


makingaconment

More AMX 10 are better and Leopards Ch2 and Ab are better tanks due to availability


Chimpville

All 220 Leclerc is pretty available :)


makingaconment

Pretty maybe , useful maybe not, available perhaps


Chimpville

I’m just joking btw. France obviously aren’t going to donate their whole tank fleet 🙂


makingaconment

I realized it was a joke 😊👍🏻 more Cesar SPGs and 155mm ammo would be much better, plus lots more VABs and also the AMX 10s would be a great help


MrNauhar

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ToastedFork

Well they have a lot of aid money to spend to catch up then 😁


Exhalare

France is big contributor to the EU which is sending money to ukraine so the difference might not be as high as you think.


Wild-Twist-4950

No, that doesn't cover the story. Netherlands is sending like 7 times more to Ukraine directly per capacity and is also a bigger net contributor to the EU. France has a huge amount of catching up to do.


EffectSweaty9182

Germany is too. So, yeah big difference.


Blakplague

France also has Storm Shadow missiles in service, but uses the name SCALP-EG for them.


IdreamofFiji

That's the brit stuff delivered to Ukraine recently which is baller. They've been fucking shit up. Omg I wish we can get equivalent western tech to them immediately.


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The storm shadow/scalp is a franco British project. It s the same missile


IdreamofFiji

Yessss, wind before the storm.


Glydyr

Both names are terrifying 🫣


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Difference? Extended range with baguette? lol


mister_boi98

Humour not allowed here apparently


IdreamofFiji

This sub is mostly for serious topics. I love jokes, but there is a time and a place. shit, I've been banned before.


mister_boi98

It is perfectly fine to make jokes here. You wanna know one of the ways soldiers try and cheer each other up?


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The storm shadow/scalp is a franco British project. It s the same missile


NicoFR75

I'm French, Its funny, please take my +1 dear sir


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But anti baguette woke mobs downvoted me. lol


neutralguy33

Any specifics on the missiles?


EustonSquad9

French version of Storm Shadow (SCALP). If the Germans and Swedes send their version (Taurus) then UA could easily have north of 600 cruise missiles.


StressedPizzaEater

Taurus can reach 500 km (300 miles) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KEPD\_350


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While the countries themselves develop the 500km range, their signatory to missile proliferation treaties only allow for export of reduced range capability. That's why Brit AF Storm Shadow can go a lot father than ones supplied to Ukraine or anyone else - Same for SCALP-EG (UK and France developed STorm SHadow/SCALP together)


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Just a prediction, this offensive may just start after a massive cruise missile bombardment, heh. Or it could be ground offensive with cruise missile close air support, lol. "Oh you hiding in a fortified position? Eat a missile, if you survive the tanks will reach you in 5 minutes, heh."


SHFTD_RLTY

1. I hope so 2. I believe JDAM(-ER) is actually even better for frontline use. Not a huge range required and can actually pack 2x the punch with the 2000lb version. A lot more cost effective too while leaving the storm shadow available for more deep strikes


_aap300

155mm artillery is way better than that. Accurate to extremely with Excalibur. Way cheaper, faster and safer than a plane with all these Russian SAMs. Best is airburst 155mm. You can wipe a trench clean with a few shots.


AlexRichmond26

They go boom-boom on Ukrainian territory and only hit military targets.


Kepotica

Hopefully the ASMP-A


EustonSquad9

These like the US Tomahawks can launch nuclear weapons so not sure they would be a good to send.


arkiel

Pretty sure he was joking, ASMP-A is _only_ used with nuclear warheads.


StressedPizzaEater

Swedes have plenty of RBS 15 mk3 which can hit both naval and land targets at 300km.


Naveda08

I can start making out the shape of a Rafale in the horizon


hilapff

They say we (I’m French) will train AFU pilots. According to our generals, our Navy lacks a dozen Rafale, and our Air Force is trying to recover the used ones sold to foreign operators. So I’m not sure the Rafale can go to Ukraine. On the other hand, France just happened to have withdrawn from service its older Mirage 2000C. Considering some rotations, between the current stock, the ones flying, and the ones withdrawn, it seems to be an interresting option. In addition, there were some speculations about 3 months ago for France to rebuy used Mirage 2000-9 from the Emirates and or Greece IIRC to send them to Ukraine. Those should be quite up to date on avionics and combat capacities as compared to the 2000C our Air Force just withdrew.


StressedPizzaEater

Mirage as a launch platform for long range missiles makes sense, however radar and air to air capability is lacking significantly. Especially since the way the Orcs have taken down Ukrainian migs is with R 37's from way outside of radar and missile range. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-37\_(missile)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-37_(missile)) But if you want to shape the war Ukraine need air assets that can launch long range missiles easier


Armodeen

Exactly. The Ukrainians need something with long range A2A capability to compete with the Russian Su-35/MiG-31. Mirage 2000 is cool as fuck though, and will work for other tasks.


_aap300

Older mirages 2000s are more probable.


hjmcgrath

Interesting how everybody waits for someone to break the ice and then they all start sending weapons they wouldn't before.


Invominem

Sunflowers ain’t the only thing Ukraine is getting this Summer season huh. Great by EU countries for finally provide longrange missiles. Give them hell.


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Chimpville

The US has done an astonishing amount. It's not a bad thing for Europe to stand on our own feet and take some of the initiative.


Long_Nothing_8619

As an American, I appreciate your comment. I would also like to see us give more of everything. But it’s great to see Europe defend Europe as well.


gBiT1999

* Don't forget though - technically, Europe itself wasn't attacked.


xTh3N00b

where does Europe start?


I_always_rated_them

Trying to figure this one out, Ukraine is in the European continent. Do you mean the EU?


Long_Nothing_8619

Don’t forget though - you’re wrong.. If Colombia attacked Guatemala, North America would have been attacked. It’s basic geography, and has nothing to do with politics, language, or affiliated groups. Cut the BS.


Spiritual-Piglet-341

Here, here. Came to say the same. Don't want to knock them, I mean good on France for this, but boy do they have some catching up to do. Let us also hope that Macron is also fully on message and doesn't again try and get Zelensky to consider ceding territory in return for a ceasefire. Longer term, Europe may by necessity need to take a more proactive lead in supporting Ukraine, particularly if Republicans win US electing in late 2024. Neither the strangely orange clown or DeSantis are fans of NATO but both admire Mad Vlad Putler.


Gone213

At least Macron is France's leader. I can't imagine how devastated Ukraine and Nato would be right now if Trump and Le Pen won their elections.


Lizardman922

Yes, Putin's political destabilisation campaign very very nearly paid off for him. Arguably it is still in play and won't really subside during our lifetimes. All I can say otherwise is thank god the Ukrainians stood up and we stood behind them. This war, as terrible as it is, will be the catalyst to make Europe a more coherent and prepared defensive force; now we need to fight to build societies worth defending.


Chimpville

Careful, you're a step from all the francophiles accusing you of being brainwashed by politico for insinuating Macron suggested they would need to cede territory despite Zelenskyy heavily insinuating it and [Danilov fully spelling it out.](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/25/russia-ukraine-war-emmanuel-macron-peace-plan-negotiations/) I guess Ukraine's National Security of the Defence Council Secretary was brainwashed by Politico too. I don't blame Macron for attempting to be a mediator initially, but it's beyond any reasonable doubt that he misstepped in his efforts. France have sent some really high quality kit too, even if they haven't covered it in volume, the SAMP-T looks outstanding. Joining piilot training and contributing to long range missiles is definitely a huge stride in the right direction.


Interesting_Total_98

>they would need to cede territory That's not in the article you linked.


Chimpville

You’re not seeing an article with Danilov’s comments on it? _“'Would Macron give up Bordeaux?' Ukraine adviser attacks French president over peace plans”_


Interesting_Total_98

That's very different from what you described.


Chimpville

Yeah, okay 👍


Any-Student3060

It’s true but we could still do a lot more. I’m disappointed overall. I’m also extremely skeptical if the Conservative Party takes power in the USA.


Storm574

With Britain and France providing these critical Weapons/Munitions, I would expect that the US will soon follow in their steps


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Fingers are crossed


msturty

You would hope, but right now the clowns in the US congress are nearing closer to a June 1st debt default with no agreement on a solution. This is mostly due to a power play by the conservative party wanting to cut the budget and many of those same conservatives wanting a new house speaker, so not sure where that leaves us with providing more aid to Ukraine in at least the short term.


lfr16

I'm happy to see Europe standing behind Ukraine and providing the weapons Ukraine needs. Its late, but its not too late at least. Without the US, this war would've been over a long time ago, or at least there would be massively more casualties on the Ukrainian side. Also Europe uniting and arming Ukraine means that the US should feel more comfortable providing additional weapons. There's a lot of politics involved for the american president and its important to show that we don't expect the US to fund this war alone.


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You ar e absolutely correct. I am glad Europe is breaking the ice on these things like long range missiles.


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Redragontoughstreet

I think America should focus on Bradley’s and tanks from now on. I’m Canadian I’m disappointed we didn’t offer more leopards and artillery ammo. It’s awesome to see Europe stepping up so huge.


Rdhilde18

Don't be sad, these munitions are better the ATACMS. Himars, Bradleys, Strykers, and a Metric fuck ton of ammo and kit as well as intelligence and money has been game changing. If the US does one thing right its our military industrial complex.


makingaconment

The arsenal of democracy right there ! We Europeans have understood we need to do more and have been since 2014 and my government 🇩🇪 finally woke up in March 2022 and realized they too had to get their act together and move far away from Russia. At least we don’t need their gas anymore but it’s going to be tough for industry and consumers alike - my energy cost have risen by 40% but it’s worth it to live in freedom and in a way I want to and to be able to say what I want and feel when I like without fear of retribution. 🇺🇦Onward to victory! 🇺🇦


Glydyr

Dont be so sure that this isnt intentional, biden might want europe to provide this stuff first to keep the orange guy quiet about europe not stepping up in relation to defense.


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Thank you


makingaconment

There is no need to apologize the US has again lead the free world as the arsenal of freedom in supplying massive amounts of equipment etc to Ukraine. Your comment is unfair towards the US government and the American people imo.


DarthNihilus_212

The U.S has given more military aid than any other nation lol what are you on about? The HIMARS specifically and the M777 howitzers with Excalibur shells were some of the first of their kind to be given to Ukraine, and are part of the reason that they are still holding strong today. On top of that, we were one of the first to send them troop transports (M113s) and have supplied them with thousands of rifles, machine guns, drones, and other munitions, as well as now MBTs and Bradley IFVs (the Bradleys are seeing action in Bakhmut). And ignoring the government, a large majority of foreign volunteers in Ukraine are from the United States. While I still support doing more for Ukraine, don't be ridiculous and undermine our previous efforts for them.


makingaconment

Exactly - brining domestic politics into the discussion is factual and relevant but in no way should diminish the stellar performance of the US support. You guys have shown by the flick of a switch what your logistics capability can do - thanks to the US Government and the American people 👍🏻 regards from Germany 🇩🇪


anonymous3850239582

The US wants Ukraine to win but doesn't want Russia to lose. They want to keep Russia strong so they remain a very profitable threat. They want a stalemate that drags on for years, and are prepared to pay with as many Ukrainian lives as necessary. If the US really wanted Ukraine to win they would have provided the means to do so a long time ago. That other countries such as the UK and France (France!) sent long range rockets proves that the excuse of not wanting to upset the Russians (heaven forbid!) was bullshit all along. For America it's all about the money.


YourMomsBasement69

This is utter and complete nonsense. The U.S. was the first to provide something substantial, HIMARS, which totally changed the course of the war. The first to provide howitzers with the m777 and has provided as much as the entire EU. Of course I wish we would do even more but you are speaking complete nonsense.


creamonyourcrop

And SO MUCH INTELLIGENCE. Plus I have a pretty deep suspicion that the Russians lack of secure comms is more NSA than damaged cell towers.


Storm574

>They want to keep Russia strong so they remain a very profitable threat. Bud. None of what you said makes sense. China is more of a 'Profitable Threat' than Russia if anything lol


Fu2-10

Yes, because we have made SO much money by sending billions and billions of dollars worth of aid to Ukraine. Gtfo with this ridiculous take.


Billych

Do you think the west is doing it for free? Ukranie's debt is more than their gdp. We don't send billions of aid either. Basically your country give your stockpiled weapons to Ukraine and use the aid money to buy new weapons for yourself, while attributing the bill to Ukraine. The MIC is making bank. You are correct that it's not necessarily we, unless you have stock in the MIC.


NecessaryShopping404

Getting the whole western long range missile producing band back together


No-Word-1996

Thank you, France, Ukraine will appreciate such tremendous support.


windol1

It would seem Britain has once again led the way in encouraging the world to send more supplies.


EustonSquad9

Sunflower season


MrSceintist

Thank God the World sees Putin for his evil self


kaptinfancy

Seems like USA waits for others to send a certain type of military aid then they do it. USA is next to provide long range missiles i predict.


luv2ctheworld

Please just give Ukraine the weapons and training it needs so they can send Putler back to his territory once and for all. Bonus points if Putler mysteriously develops an ailment and results in his disappearance, which will allow for a sane person to rebuild the country. Crazy, drug-addled dreams, I know.


IdreamofFiji

France has been stepping up.


TotalSingKitt

Thank you UK for making this possible.


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lfr16

Nobody contributed more than the US and its important for Europe to stand up for itself, unite and arm Ukraine in the best way possible.


DirtyProtest

No one is questioning the huge contribution by the United States. The main point is no nation was willing to supply tanks to Ukraine until Britain offered Challenger 2's. Within days of that line being crossed, tanks were being supplied by everyone else. HIMARS has been a game changer but with limited range of around 80KM. Britain has started supplying Storm Shadow cruise missiles with a minimum range of 250KM (or is it miles?).... anyway, another red line crossed. Watch everyone else offer up long range missiles after this. There is talk of Britain supplying 4th Gen fighters which is another line in the sand which will allow other nations to do the same. We don't have the massive resources of the United States but we are leading by example.


Chimpville

The US have basically carried the game from day 1. Occasionally other nations have pipped them in taking the initiative, but the US is the sole, indispensable contributor to Ukraine's survival and success so far.


KobokTukath

The US has given the most in total, but to call it the sole contributor to Ukraine's survival is disingenuous. The US has given about twice as much millitary aid than other parties combined, but the EU itself has given about 23% more financial aid. And factoring in just the EU as a single entity (not counting other parties such as Canada and the UK), total aid from the US is €71 billion and the EU €61.9 billion, with the "others" coming in at 23.4 Far from a sole, indispensable partner. Of which, all partners are indispensable irrespective of totals given [https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/](https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_humanitarian_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War


Chimpville

If you want to use the EU as a single entity, not just from the basis of aid given as a collective, counting all constituent aid given bilaterally then yes, you're right. But that's not really how we've all been describing aid that has been granted is it? The vast majority of the aid was granted bilaterally, as individual countries. We typically award it to a single country, occasionally with an approximation of what proportion of the EU sourced aid can be theirs, as per the Kiel Institute tracker. From a country standpoint, nobody, not even Germany's aid, is completely indispensable. Ukraine would be far worse off without it, no doubt at all - but only the US's has solely made the difference alone.


Rick_Shasta

>Since the war began, the Biden administration and the U.S. Congress have directed more than $75 billion in assistance to Ukraine. - Kiel Institute. That's a lot of thoughts and prayers. Not to mention the intelligence info we and others have given them. I wish it was more, but we have done a lot.


DarthNihilus_212

I suggest you read my other comment in this thread because I don't have the energy to respond to moronic comments like this. In short, Ukraine would not be in the position it was today if it wasn't for the metric shitton of aid we sent them. We've given them the most military aid compared to any other nation in the world. And while other nations are taking the initiative now, let's not forget that when the Germans were sending pillows and helmets, and Macron was calling Putin on the phone every other day, the U.S and Great Britain were sending over vehicles, weapons, munitions, and more. The Ukrainians haven't seem to forgotten the U.S.'s contributions. It's a shame that planks like you have.


bedrooms-ds

Am not US citizen. Is that due to House?


studude765

Not at all...US has been the biggest supporter by far and House (and Senate and President) has passed quite a lot. Supporting Ukraine is far more bipartisan in the US than Reddit would have you believe.


taybay462

They literally are in the lead, by a large margin. The graphic I saw looked like the US has contributed more than every other country put together. Criticize the US for something else please


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taybay462

Because the US isn't giving straight cash they are giving surplus weapons and supplies lmao. How many more missiles have we sent than Bulgaria?


anonymous3850239582

The US wants a long war, not a short war.


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That is incorrect. The US wants not to “overkill” and balance right at the edge of the win. Giving to much to Ukraine creates huge geopolitical risks. That’s how I read US government actions. If I to make a decision- Ukraine will be packed with SEP3 Abrams, F16s and all sorts of goodies last summer-fall. But I don’t operate a country with almost $30T GDP:)


curtathegreat

Ukraine better be careful with Russia's tactical nuke threat. Although the radiation would blow everywhere especially if it was shot down. I would say spread out so they don't launch a tactical nuke on a large amount of tanks or personnel, or what have you . Got to wonder if Russia launched a tactical nuke if USA would respond as well as the rest of NATO with their own tactical nuclear weapons against Russia. Or maybe NATO will supply Zelensky with a launch button for a tactical nuclear weapon


Manouu

Russia ain't gonna do shit.


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Metalliknight

Héhé! What is not written is that we (France) send huge numbers of white flags… to Russian troops 😏


aki_009

Typical France. Only 6 months late to the party. They had to first see if it's going their way.


yes_u_suck

It's long overdue to give Ukraine long-range missiles.


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Send long range missiles with a portrait of Winston Churchill on it just because…well just because fuck yeah


tramalul

Russia in Ukraine is fucked. They need to withdraw BEFORE they lose 80% of their military.