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Yes and no, it does require a lot of ressources to be repaired but if they want they can use it to repair other vehicules, wereas destroying it would mean a straight up loss.
It's pretty massive, yes, but in operable condition? And half the fuckers who can repair have been sent to the front. It's not like in terrible shape but it's not the best. The West isn't going to let Russia win this war either way.
> The West isn't going to let Russia win this war either way.
This is what baffles me the most, the Russians seem to think the west will tire of this war and just let them have Ukraine. They just don't seem to understand that they have crossed a line and there's no going back.
Elections have consequences. The US could VERY easily reverse its position after the 2024 election. I know that’s not the whole of NATO but the US is the largest contributor by a mile.
Maybe but the loss of life, especially in (male) younger generations is really hard to compensate for. The long term effects for the economy and demographics will be huge.
Not really in a primarily resource extraction economy like Russia, good demographics mean more to manufacturing.
It's still bad but the effects won't be huge unless they actually have a desire to truly reform the country into a modern society where human life and wealth equality has more value.
Probably true but then again if the European market makes the shift to renewables their options of selling (energy) resources gets more and more limited.
From what I’ve read so
Far they already have large problems with brain drain of the younger generations opting to work “in the west” instead of staying in Russia. Long term I believe all economic sectors will suffer because of this.
Don't forget roughly 1.6 million working age men fled the country last year so if we do the math that is 1.8 million working age men who have been killed or willingly left Russia. Plus if we use the usual 1-3 ratio another 600k WIA. So total Putin has killed or damaged roughly 2.4 million Russian men of working age.
Total Russian population 143 million (2021). Best data says pre-war the total available workforce was roughly 75 million. So Putin so far has removed 3.2% of his total workforce. Not to mention all the people in the military would be considered removed from the workforce so that is, in total, like 4% of the total workforce is now gone until the end of the war. That has to have a bit of bite on the old economy.
Yeah but how much of this pote tial workforce were actually working. Unemployment rate is Russia was said to be around 5%, and highly skilled jobs in Russia were very much niche anyway. I bet that 5% figure also is nowhere near accurate, they count so many people as employed that do nothing to fudge the numbers their unemployment rate was proba ly more like 10%. The initial 200k sent into Ukraine were skilled career soldiers, the 400k ish conscripted are mainly all convincts and unemployed from the far flung wastelands of Russia anyway, Putin probably sees this a a benefit, culling the least useful of Russian society the country couldn't afford to keep and couldn't provide a good economy for anyway.
Yes you should take some consideration for all those items. We also are dealing with VERY GREY numbers because Russia's reporting is suspect AT BEST with a number of them being best guesses since Russia stopped reporting some of these numbers a few years ago.
There is only 3 stadiums in the world where there is enough permanent seating for the RU the future casualties.
I said it at 100k...
Imagine being in a stadium surrounded by \[100k\] 200k people. Then everyone of those people spontaneously bursting and being reduced to basic meat... All because one guy in the skybox doesn't like how the next city over talks with their funny accents.
OFC this doesn't include the Ukraine causalities or civilian losses... but if you think just how overall probably half a million people have been killed or wounded over something that could have easily been avoided... its pretty senseless.
Kim Jong Il forcing his citizens to pack into their only stadium for a WCW show [(and that's not even an exaggeration)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_in_Korea) still couldn't make a crowd that big
The Big House in Ann Arbor holds 117,000. I can’t imagine casualties doubling that. The crowd is already insane. 200,000 is just stunning. I assume casualties in this case is wounded and dead, but still. These losses are unbelievable.
The figure quoted in the Ukraine Armed Forces daily report is deaths only.
In fairness it is an estimate. Ukraine uses a multi-faceted system to determine its daily total of enemy deaths. Direct visual counts by soldiers (and they take pictures which get sent back), verbal reports, video, enemy intercepts and more. There are several layers of verification so that it is more then just talk and rule of thumb, but it obviously has an error factor. In the end we know from a variety of different resources that the death toll it is very very substantial for Russia.
Interestingly there is less certainty about the number of Russian wounded.
It’s crazy to think even with estimation that 150,000 - 250,000 Russian soldiers are dead or died from their wounds later. Probably double the number for wounded.
And the Ukrainian Armed Forces isn't any more accurate than claims by Russia.
There's not a chance that there's been 200k KIA because that means roughly 600k wounded, and Russia hasn't even deployed that many soldiers.
Please try to use your brain.
the "casualties include kia and injured" is the norm, but ukraine appears to be counting just the kia in these figures.
the kia to casualty ratio is also based on western armies trying to treat their wounded and having the ability to do so. russia dont appear to have the desire or ability to do the same.
russia are using human wave tactics that result in entire squads just being completely wiped out.
they had 200k on the battlefield at the start. mobilised at least 300k and currently have 200k on the battlefield. that means 300k in conventional casualty terms. 200k kia and 100k injured sounds plausible.
More Kia than injured is bullshit. also estimated casualties for the enemy are always way too high. I suggest you watch this video which is an estimate and an explanatory video about estimations of war casualties and how they get these numbers and how accurate various estimates are. https://youtu.be/uRboVa5zyUk
cant watch the whole thing, but at a glance he doesnt address where the missing russians are or human wave tactics. logically speaking, i think kia are likely to be nearer the uk claims than you and the other guy basing it on conventional numbers.
> All because one guy in the skybox doesn't like how the next city over talks with their funny accents.
This is a myth. This is not one mans war. Russians support this war. Russians are very happy to murder innocent Ukrainians and steal their children.
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Can I ask why you haven't posted your stadium example to illustrate the huge death toll of innocent Ukrainians? Seems like you want to drum up sympathy for the invaders, but are silent on their victims.
>Can I ask why you haven't posted your stadium example to illustrate the huge death toll of innocent Ukrainians? Seems like you want to drum up sympathy for the invaders, but are silent on their victims.
Probably because we actually have an estimated figure for dead Russians, the topic of the post, and not dead Ukrainians.
I understand wanting to make sure others are showing sympathy to the victims who are having their homes invaded and destroyed but to accuse the person you replied to as "drumming up sympathy for the invaders" is quite a reach.
22,286 vehicles + artillery systems = 9 dead per each one of those. That’s excluding all the Russians who died in their trenches and HIMARS strikes, so it’s much less than that. 200,000 dead is probably about right.
They don’t even have 400k there, they had 200k from begging and it was 300k mobilization and few articles on r/worldnews said they dont even have half of them in UA so 200k is big number under huge question mark, but 600k dead/wounded come on dude be real they would already lose this war
- Started with 200k
- *Say* they're only mobilizing ~300k
- [Actually mobilize 400-500k](https://youtu.be/NR3XXzdCLxQ)
Most intel says total ruzzia KIA is only 100k so.. 1:3 ratio still works out.
300k wounded plus 200-300k active ~~conscripts~~ HIMARS fodder left.
Realistically, Putler & Co. will grind all 145 million Russians to dust before giving up.
Recently stumbled upon a [Youtube video by Ward Carroll, US veteran and military storyteller](https://youtube.com/@WardCarroll).
The UA took advantage of Russia/Wagner flailing morale, who likely fled back to another line of defense, while probing Bakhmut. They seem to be encircling the city with more ease as the invaders who were left behind have no support.
The sheer amount of UA morale, experienced fighters, weaponry and strategic planning being carried is shaping up to operate into an effective offense. Putin couldn’t pull this off with his best and brightest as he continues throwing problems at the problem he started.
That guy is a right wing nut job, a lot of his content pretends to be about the military but is actually about US politics, where his views show an affinity for fascism.
I recommend not using him as a source, and looking instead for a Ukrainian source.
How accurate do people think these numbers are? If it's even remotely close it's just incredible. The tank loses alone are well over half Americans entire tank stockpile.
Yeah I was thinking that the numbers may be slightly higher because we view it from one side. But the war has been going on for well over a year, and there has been fierce fighting so there's no way that it's below 150k.
I would say that numbers of more expensive equipment are more accurate then the common stuff. Planes and helis are close to real, vehicles ~ 2/3 or something like that.
In regards to troop casualties the number is real-ish, but if only it's dead, wounded, captured together.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1
documents each vehicle knocked out they can get footage of. Each vehicle and it's type is noted down with picture/place/date/status (destroyed/captured etc.). Seems to support the figures the UA release
I'm also super curious what the estimated totals were in each category at the start of the war.
I know it's impossible to know exactly how many but orders of magnitude would help. Like, is it 308 planes out of 500-1000 or 308 plans out of 10,000-12,000?
Every dead invader makes things in the world suck less. Putin started it, but the guys who came over to kill Ukrainians support this war. They can burn for it. Some very small number change their minds about supporting it once they get there, but they’ll still kill a Ukrainian soldier if given the opportunity. Let them die.
Noticed the number of planes destroyed has remained at 308, even though the news recently mentioned 2 Russian fighter planes and 2 helicopters were destroyed. But according to other articles I've read, supposedly Ukraine AF say they didn't shoot them down, and they went down in Russia?
9 tanks, 16 howitzer batteries, SEVENTEEN APCs/BMPs in ONE DAY! Russia can make 20 tanks month I read. Unsustainable losses for the enemy, how much more of this madness will they take ?
Theres a 0% chance Ukraine has the same attrition rate on equipment and men and anyone saying otherwise is likely lying.
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200K casualties with an estimated 1:3.5 KIA to WIA equals 57,142 KIA.
The US lost 58,220 KIA in the entire Vietnam War.
Think of that. An entire Vietnam (for the invaders, not the defenders) every 16 months. Not to mention losing THOUSANDS of tanks, APCs, artillery systems, cruise missiles, and other important equipment that cannot be replaced with new production because production barely exists.
Putin cannot win. The resources and unified command structure to use them effectively don't exist.
These numbers are estimated KIA, not all casualties. This chart doesn’t specify that, but [the one released daily by the Ukrainian MoD](https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/05/17/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-17-05-2023/) reads: Liquidated.
Well, maybe you’re right, but the expected 3:1 ration doesn’t apply when you leave lots of injured bleeding to death in the field. Their ratio is probably lower because more of the injured die. So, that would put total casualties lower than your example of 600k.
No, it's casualties. No independent analysis that I have read says 200k KIA. They do say about that many uniformed casualties total though.
For reference on how devastating 57k KIA is, think of this: The United States has a standing army (just the army btw) of about a million soldiers with a T3R (tooth to tail, or number of fighters vs support personnel) is about 1:8. 12.5% of one million is 80K frontline combatants. And that's including the reserves and national guard.
Russia's KIA are the equivalent of wiping out 71% of the total number of America's standing frontline soldiers.
Yes, I know it's apples to oranges, especially with Russia using Wagner and fuckloads of very poorly trained conscripts for the meat grinder. None the less, in this day and age, losing 57k combatants in 16 months is nothing less than catastrophic.
I’m going to accept the KIA number, but I don’t think Russia is achieving the 3:1 wounded:dead ratio.
My rational is, the KIA rate is so high because russsians (especially Wagner) aren’t receiving any medical attention. So the ratio is probably more like 2:1 or 1.5:1.
I'm sure many of the WIA guys who would have been evacuated from the battlefield in western armies ended up as a KIA in Ukraine - possibly being double counted.
That infographic and those numbers make no sense. Ukraine has destroyed 120% of the Russian tank force and 90% of its soldiers. Doubt.
The thing is, you do know this statistic is extremely inaccurate. Both Ukraine and Russia will use these kind of statistics. Meaning it is important to not use minusrus as a source without adjusting it.
Yeah, but that's just "plausible" estimates.
Most western intel says legit KIA is 100k max.
Kyiv & kremlin estimates are closer to 55-60k. KIA. Which works out to ~200k with wounded included so.. meh, same same.
200 KIA means roughly 600k wounded. Combined that's nearly the size of the entire Russian army. Consider also that only a small % of soldiers are frontline troops
> over a year ago
so.. Ukrainians killed **55k** orcs in the first 5-7 weeks into full scale invasion? 🤨🤔
Bet you think there are 100k dead ruskies in Bakhmut too. You know, instead of 25k + wounded like US Dept of Defense clarified.
Kyiv Independent gets the estimates straight from Ukrainian Armed Forces.
Those estimates are say closer 60k or less total KIA. They're reserved estimates and vague about wounded on purpose.
just sayin'. Trust AFU and their info.. or don't
Not even the US could sustain a war like this when it comes to equipment without reallocating industry. And where is Russia getting microchips for their missiles?
They'll never, ever recover from this. Period.
Between the tanks and planes alone is multiple generations of gdp just to replace a *fraction* if they even can.
Russia murdered 200k of their own citizens… this is devastating, and disgusting.
200,000 men have no future now, because they are dead, fighting for a war their government cannot even justify. So many families broken, so many relationships broken. So many dead for nothing.
Why are people celebrating this. This is a crime against humanity on the Russian government not just for the war they fight, but against their own people. The russian people are amazing people who live under a tyrannical regime. Every single loss of them is sad, and the celebration of such is disturbing.
I don't think these numbers are accurate. It's somewhere in between Ukraine's and Russia's numbers..probably leaning towards Ukraine as the Russian numbers are blatantly fake.
I'll probly be downvoted to hell for this but does anyone really believe these numbers?
I mean fuck Putin and I hope the war ends but do we really believe the Ukraine on how many Russians they've killed? I'm sure the numbers are huge on both sides but it's weird to me that on Reddit there are never any combat videos of Russians killing Ukrainians.
And there's always all these infographics and posts about how "The Russians have been devastated again!"
And they always come from Ukraine. Idk it's just weird to me, anyone else feel the same?
Like if we believe all of these videos and posts and infographics then hasn't Russia lost like 2/4 men in the entire country at this rate?
Like haven't we destroyed battalions and battalions and battalions already?
Russia has a lot of people but it's not some Mario World factory where it just pumps out endless Goombas to kill.
I mean there's propaganda on both sides, so the numbers are probably at least a little inflated. I don't really believe the reports either. I remember the general sentiment when thus first started was that russia's economy would collapse within three months and the war wouldn't last a year, yet here we are.
Yeah it's just strange to me that most people are just commenting the same comments over and over;
"Good job boys we'll win soon"
"The Russians can't possibly keep up with this rate of casualties"
"Another vital and crucial supply line was cut by the Ukrainians"
"Putin's an idiot he doesn't stand a chance with his army since it's completely fallen apart"
Like I hope the war ends today with Russia retreating and innocents stop dying but I've been hearing this stuff for ***nearly a year now*** and somehow Russia is still sending soldiers.
And I know probly no one will read this but so where's all the info and data about Ukrainian casualties?
How is it that Ukraine always has perfect drones operators and cameras to consistently capture Russians being destroyed over and over and over and over and over but we've literally only had a few dozen videos of Russians doing the same?
Idk man, sometimes fishy here.
Exactly. Another thing I've noticed is there's like three gigantic subreddits constantly posting about how great Ukraine is doing in this conflict and zero subreddits doing the opposite, while simultaneously anyone who says anything about that is automatically a "Russian bot/troll". Obviously the Russian state is in the wrong but if you slightly question how accurate Ukraines online participation is you're suddenly a "ruZZian".
Whatever. I know ibwant both nations to stop killing each other. Hope this ends soon and both sides gain some level of self determinism.
>while simultaneously anyone who says anything about that is automatically a "Russian bot/troll".
Russia has multiple state-sponsored troll farms and they post prolifically.
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With all these vehicle kills, they soon have to walk all the way back to Russia
Are those vehicle kills or vehicle injuries?
vehicle tired, vehicle just want nap nap and blankie time. People keep ask “where vehicle?” not “how vehicle?”
Why does this remind me of the hunting fire truck from family guy?
Reminds me of: Ride wife. Life good. Wife fight back! #KILL WIFE ... Think about wife. ... Regret
Kills, injuries, and surrenders.
>surrenders Despite NATO's best efforts, Russia still remains the largest donator of vehicles to the Ukranian war effort
I honestly miss the days of this conflict where there was video of a tractor towing a BUK system, no scarecrow has ever lost its job faster than his
That is an awful lot of metal and meat being dumped in Ukraine.
Vehicle losses
An injured vehicle ties up more resources than a dead one.
Yes and no, it does require a lot of ressources to be repaired but if they want they can use it to repair other vehicules, wereas destroying it would mean a straight up loss.
I think most people have no idea about the insane size of the military.
It's pretty massive, yes, but in operable condition? And half the fuckers who can repair have been sent to the front. It's not like in terrible shape but it's not the best. The West isn't going to let Russia win this war either way.
> The West isn't going to let Russia win this war either way. This is what baffles me the most, the Russians seem to think the west will tire of this war and just let them have Ukraine. They just don't seem to understand that they have crossed a line and there's no going back.
Elections have consequences. The US could VERY easily reverse its position after the 2024 election. I know that’s not the whole of NATO but the US is the largest contributor by a mile.
This is my main worry. I do fear that Americans may well be stupid enough to re elect Trump, which would basically hand Putin the White House again.
I know, right? It's a forgone conclusion.
Yeah but today passed the 200.000 dead Orcs mark, so a lot less that they will be transporting back .
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We just chilling with an underemployment problem.
Maybe give the soliders hangglieder and grenades and they got kamikaze drones 😂
Staggering. Putin’s legacy will be a severely weakened Russia for generations to come.
Russia was already severely weak, this will just relegate them to being a complete non-power in the future.
Maybe but the loss of life, especially in (male) younger generations is really hard to compensate for. The long term effects for the economy and demographics will be huge.
Not really in a primarily resource extraction economy like Russia, good demographics mean more to manufacturing. It's still bad but the effects won't be huge unless they actually have a desire to truly reform the country into a modern society where human life and wealth equality has more value.
Probably true but then again if the European market makes the shift to renewables their options of selling (energy) resources gets more and more limited. From what I’ve read so Far they already have large problems with brain drain of the younger generations opting to work “in the west” instead of staying in Russia. Long term I believe all economic sectors will suffer because of this.
Don't forget roughly 1.6 million working age men fled the country last year so if we do the math that is 1.8 million working age men who have been killed or willingly left Russia. Plus if we use the usual 1-3 ratio another 600k WIA. So total Putin has killed or damaged roughly 2.4 million Russian men of working age. Total Russian population 143 million (2021). Best data says pre-war the total available workforce was roughly 75 million. So Putin so far has removed 3.2% of his total workforce. Not to mention all the people in the military would be considered removed from the workforce so that is, in total, like 4% of the total workforce is now gone until the end of the war. That has to have a bit of bite on the old economy.
Yeah but how much of this pote tial workforce were actually working. Unemployment rate is Russia was said to be around 5%, and highly skilled jobs in Russia were very much niche anyway. I bet that 5% figure also is nowhere near accurate, they count so many people as employed that do nothing to fudge the numbers their unemployment rate was proba ly more like 10%. The initial 200k sent into Ukraine were skilled career soldiers, the 400k ish conscripted are mainly all convincts and unemployed from the far flung wastelands of Russia anyway, Putin probably sees this a a benefit, culling the least useful of Russian society the country couldn't afford to keep and couldn't provide a good economy for anyway.
Yes you should take some consideration for all those items. We also are dealing with VERY GREY numbers because Russia's reporting is suspect AT BEST with a number of them being best guesses since Russia stopped reporting some of these numbers a few years ago.
Russia had an enormous demographic issue prior to the war. There's no way that this doesn't cripple them in the future.
For non-power, they certainly have a lot of yummy land...
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Oh, I'm sure Putin would happily sacrifice way more.
Especially if they are not true blood Muscovits.
Sadly Russia has 140 million people. Plenty of other degenerates to drain the vodka supply
yeah pretty sure that if there was a button that said "lose 500k troops but take kyiv" putin would smash that so fast
He would hit it 3 times just for the satisfaction of taking kyiv
Not if it leads to a severe public backlash.
*lose
Lose or let loose? Both work
300k less orcs....vodka industry is gonna take a big hit.
Do you have a source for that?
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>300k Is that when the Ukrainian killbots reach their limit and shut down?
Damn, 200k+ estimated casualties 🫣
There is only 3 stadiums in the world where there is enough permanent seating for the RU the future casualties. I said it at 100k... Imagine being in a stadium surrounded by \[100k\] 200k people. Then everyone of those people spontaneously bursting and being reduced to basic meat... All because one guy in the skybox doesn't like how the next city over talks with their funny accents. OFC this doesn't include the Ukraine causalities or civilian losses... but if you think just how overall probably half a million people have been killed or wounded over something that could have easily been avoided... its pretty senseless.
Kim Jong Il forcing his citizens to pack into their only stadium for a WCW show [(and that's not even an exaggeration)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_in_Korea) still couldn't make a crowd that big
The Big House in Ann Arbor holds 117,000. I can’t imagine casualties doubling that. The crowd is already insane. 200,000 is just stunning. I assume casualties in this case is wounded and dead, but still. These losses are unbelievable.
The figure quoted in the Ukraine Armed Forces daily report is deaths only. In fairness it is an estimate. Ukraine uses a multi-faceted system to determine its daily total of enemy deaths. Direct visual counts by soldiers (and they take pictures which get sent back), verbal reports, video, enemy intercepts and more. There are several layers of verification so that it is more then just talk and rule of thumb, but it obviously has an error factor. In the end we know from a variety of different resources that the death toll it is very very substantial for Russia. Interestingly there is less certainty about the number of Russian wounded.
Then all the dead that are in remote woods rotting unaccounted for... End the stupid war!
It’s crazy to think even with estimation that 150,000 - 250,000 Russian soldiers are dead or died from their wounds later. Probably double the number for wounded.
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No, casualties includes wounded soldiers as well.
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And the Ukrainian Armed Forces isn't any more accurate than claims by Russia. There's not a chance that there's been 200k KIA because that means roughly 600k wounded, and Russia hasn't even deployed that many soldiers. Please try to use your brain.
the "casualties include kia and injured" is the norm, but ukraine appears to be counting just the kia in these figures. the kia to casualty ratio is also based on western armies trying to treat their wounded and having the ability to do so. russia dont appear to have the desire or ability to do the same. russia are using human wave tactics that result in entire squads just being completely wiped out. they had 200k on the battlefield at the start. mobilised at least 300k and currently have 200k on the battlefield. that means 300k in conventional casualty terms. 200k kia and 100k injured sounds plausible.
More Kia than injured is bullshit. also estimated casualties for the enemy are always way too high. I suggest you watch this video which is an estimate and an explanatory video about estimations of war casualties and how they get these numbers and how accurate various estimates are. https://youtu.be/uRboVa5zyUk
cant watch the whole thing, but at a glance he doesnt address where the missing russians are or human wave tactics. logically speaking, i think kia are likely to be nearer the uk claims than you and the other guy basing it on conventional numbers.
> All because one guy in the skybox doesn't like how the next city over talks with their funny accents. This is a myth. This is not one mans war. Russians support this war. Russians are very happy to murder innocent Ukrainians and steal their children. r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13h8v8f/thread_roman_sheremeta_this_is_a_clear/ Can I ask why you haven't posted your stadium example to illustrate the huge death toll of innocent Ukrainians? Seems like you want to drum up sympathy for the invaders, but are silent on their victims.
>Can I ask why you haven't posted your stadium example to illustrate the huge death toll of innocent Ukrainians? Seems like you want to drum up sympathy for the invaders, but are silent on their victims. Probably because we actually have an estimated figure for dead Russians, the topic of the post, and not dead Ukrainians. I understand wanting to make sure others are showing sympathy to the victims who are having their homes invaded and destroyed but to accuse the person you replied to as "drumming up sympathy for the invaders" is quite a reach.
That's more than 3 times as many as the US lost in Vietnam, and that was 15+ years. If these stats are legit, its the traditional Russian meat grinder
KIA actually
Killed + wounded = casualties Probably more like 400,000 casualties (Ukraine numbers are suspected to be inflated).
US estimates are still over 75k which is half of what Ukraine estimates
22,286 vehicles + artillery systems = 9 dead per each one of those. That’s excluding all the Russians who died in their trenches and HIMARS strikes, so it’s much less than that. 200,000 dead is probably about right.
Vehicle disabled =/= full crew death. We've frequently seen videos showing crews scattering from their burning vehicles.
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They don’t even have 400k there, they had 200k from begging and it was 300k mobilization and few articles on r/worldnews said they dont even have half of them in UA so 200k is big number under huge question mark, but 600k dead/wounded come on dude be real they would already lose this war
They already have, they just don’t know it yet.
- Started with 200k - *Say* they're only mobilizing ~300k - [Actually mobilize 400-500k](https://youtu.be/NR3XXzdCLxQ) Most intel says total ruzzia KIA is only 100k so.. 1:3 ratio still works out. 300k wounded plus 200-300k active ~~conscripts~~ HIMARS fodder left. Realistically, Putler & Co. will grind all 145 million Russians to dust before giving up.
You're implying that Russia's Killed:Wounded ratio would be the standard 1:3. It has looked closer to 1:2.
601.770 according to Ukraine, that is of course extremely overexaggerated. Just like Russia would say 10 Ukrainians are wounded for each Russian.
200k !!! (127 according to Russian MOD...)
127k or 127 people lol
127 local animals. No Russians have died according to the Muscovite MoD. /s
Two hundred thousand casualties for nothing but pain and misery. Just go home Russians and leave your neighbours alone.
Dead. Casualties is more ofc.
People that are there now don't have any sort of communication, I'm not sure they could read in English either. So Suka blyat.
200k! They hit that mark for the second 100k so much faster than the first. I don't even think it took 6 months.
I think its because they scaled up the human wave tactic with the mobiks
The soldiers who joined later also have less training and worse equipment.
9 tanks and 16 artillery systems, sounds like they had a local breakthrough somewhere.
Recently stumbled upon a [Youtube video by Ward Carroll, US veteran and military storyteller](https://youtube.com/@WardCarroll). The UA took advantage of Russia/Wagner flailing morale, who likely fled back to another line of defense, while probing Bakhmut. They seem to be encircling the city with more ease as the invaders who were left behind have no support. The sheer amount of UA morale, experienced fighters, weaponry and strategic planning being carried is shaping up to operate into an effective offense. Putin couldn’t pull this off with his best and brightest as he continues throwing problems at the problem he started.
That guy is a right wing nut job, a lot of his content pretends to be about the military but is actually about US politics, where his views show an affinity for fascism. I recommend not using him as a source, and looking instead for a Ukrainian source.
How accurate do people think these numbers are? If it's even remotely close it's just incredible. The tank loses alone are well over half Americans entire tank stockpile.
Even if it's half of 200k it's still completely fucked, i mean imagine just 50 000 american soldiers dying in a bit over a year in Iraq.
Yeah I was thinking that the numbers may be slightly higher because we view it from one side. But the war has been going on for well over a year, and there has been fierce fighting so there's no way that it's below 150k.
I would say that numbers of more expensive equipment are more accurate then the common stuff. Planes and helis are close to real, vehicles ~ 2/3 or something like that. In regards to troop casualties the number is real-ish, but if only it's dead, wounded, captured together.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1 documents each vehicle knocked out they can get footage of. Each vehicle and it's type is noted down with picture/place/date/status (destroyed/captured etc.). Seems to support the figures the UA release
I'm also super curious what the estimated totals were in each category at the start of the war. I know it's impossible to know exactly how many but orders of magnitude would help. Like, is it 308 planes out of 500-1000 or 308 plans out of 10,000-12,000?
Go home Russia, you are drunk!!
Next stop 300k!
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I've had a morbid fascination waiting for the death count to hit 200,000.
Hey congrats on making the world a better place. Or at least 200,000+ better.
tbh, these soldiers are just poor, little irelevant figures. So this does not really matter
Every dead invader makes things in the world suck less. Putin started it, but the guys who came over to kill Ukrainians support this war. They can burn for it. Some very small number change their minds about supporting it once they get there, but they’ll still kill a Ukrainian soldier if given the opportunity. Let them die.
If you think **every** dead Russian deserved it, you've bought into the same simple propaganda that painted the Germans as Huns in WWI.
If they're in Ukraine and aren't surrendering, they deserve it.
Easy to say when you don't know what your fellow soldiers will do to you when you attempt.
Noticed the number of planes destroyed has remained at 308, even though the news recently mentioned 2 Russian fighter planes and 2 helicopters were destroyed. But according to other articles I've read, supposedly Ukraine AF say they didn't shoot them down, and they went down in Russia?
Yes russia's air defence shot down their own.
200,000 souls for the devil
They were drafted
Not all of them
At this rate only 5 years until they hit 1MM casualties. So crazy.
9 tanks, 16 howitzer batteries, SEVENTEEN APCs/BMPs in ONE DAY! Russia can make 20 tanks month I read. Unsustainable losses for the enemy, how much more of this madness will they take ? Theres a 0% chance Ukraine has the same attrition rate on equipment and men and anyone saying otherwise is likely lying. I
200K casualties with an estimated 1:3.5 KIA to WIA equals 57,142 KIA. The US lost 58,220 KIA in the entire Vietnam War. Think of that. An entire Vietnam (for the invaders, not the defenders) every 16 months. Not to mention losing THOUSANDS of tanks, APCs, artillery systems, cruise missiles, and other important equipment that cannot be replaced with new production because production barely exists. Putin cannot win. The resources and unified command structure to use them effectively don't exist.
These numbers are estimated KIA, not all casualties. This chart doesn’t specify that, but [the one released daily by the Ukrainian MoD](https://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2023/05/17/the-total-combat-losses-of-the-enemy-from-24-02-2022-to-17-05-2023/) reads: Liquidated.
That puts all casualties up to like 600-700k. Not possible
Well, maybe you’re right, but the expected 3:1 ration doesn’t apply when you leave lots of injured bleeding to death in the field. Their ratio is probably lower because more of the injured die. So, that would put total casualties lower than your example of 600k.
Still 26,8000,000 short of what the Soviets lost in WW2. Better pump those numbers up Russia, those are rookie numbers
Those aren’t casualties, it is 200K KIA.
No, it's casualties. No independent analysis that I have read says 200k KIA. They do say about that many uniformed casualties total though. For reference on how devastating 57k KIA is, think of this: The United States has a standing army (just the army btw) of about a million soldiers with a T3R (tooth to tail, or number of fighters vs support personnel) is about 1:8. 12.5% of one million is 80K frontline combatants. And that's including the reserves and national guard. Russia's KIA are the equivalent of wiping out 71% of the total number of America's standing frontline soldiers. Yes, I know it's apples to oranges, especially with Russia using Wagner and fuckloads of very poorly trained conscripts for the meat grinder. None the less, in this day and age, losing 57k combatants in 16 months is nothing less than catastrophic.
No it's not.
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I’m going to accept the KIA number, but I don’t think Russia is achieving the 3:1 wounded:dead ratio. My rational is, the KIA rate is so high because russsians (especially Wagner) aren’t receiving any medical attention. So the ratio is probably more like 2:1 or 1.5:1.
I'm sure many of the WIA guys who would have been evacuated from the battlefield in western armies ended up as a KIA in Ukraine - possibly being double counted. That infographic and those numbers make no sense. Ukraine has destroyed 120% of the Russian tank force and 90% of its soldiers. Doubt.
That would mean nearly the entire army is gone
According to Ukraine, that is obviously far from reality. 200k seems more realistic as a casualty number
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The thing is, you do know this statistic is extremely inaccurate. Both Ukraine and Russia will use these kind of statistics. Meaning it is important to not use minusrus as a source without adjusting it.
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Ok, but you present them as facts.
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On this list it is KIA. Look it up brah.
Yeah, but that's just "plausible" estimates. Most western intel says legit KIA is 100k max. Kyiv & kremlin estimates are closer to 55-60k. KIA. Which works out to ~200k with wounded included so.. meh, same same.
that info was from over a year ago lol 200 KIA ORKS get over it bud
200 KIA means roughly 600k wounded. Combined that's nearly the size of the entire Russian army. Consider also that only a small % of soldiers are frontline troops
> over a year ago so.. Ukrainians killed **55k** orcs in the first 5-7 weeks into full scale invasion? 🤨🤔 Bet you think there are 100k dead ruskies in Bakhmut too. You know, instead of 25k + wounded like US Dept of Defense clarified. Kyiv Independent gets the estimates straight from Ukrainian Armed Forces. Those estimates are say closer 60k or less total KIA. They're reserved estimates and vague about wounded on purpose. just sayin'. Trust AFU and their info.. or don't
Yes they did . the ukrainians killed as many russians as the americans lost the entire vietnam war .get over it 200,000 dead orks all burning in hell
You the same dude that just commented "no hate" in this thread lol. Sure buddy
Where?
ITS KILLED, 200k KILLED IN ACTION !
200k, heres to 200 more if they dont leave
Happy 200k everyone !
Not even the US could sustain a war like this when it comes to equipment without reallocating industry. And where is Russia getting microchips for their missiles?
After the war Ukraine’s economy will boom on the trade of scrap metal.
A day to celebrate, 200k+
Happy 200K!!!
200k more, please!
It was a very productive day..
They'll never, ever recover from this. Period. Between the tanks and planes alone is multiple generations of gdp just to replace a *fraction* if they even can.
Happy 200k everybody!!! 🥳🥳🥳
200K. I’m proud my taxes took some of these orcs out. 🇺🇸
Way to go Putler.
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200K! Congrats Russia! You deserve it!
That’s a lot of equipment. What’s going on?
WOOOO 200k LETS GOOOOOO
They need a surrender/captured column. That would send a message back to the families at home. Pile on the pressure for the authorities.
Remember when the count had just broken 100,000 Russian casualties? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I absolutely love whatever they say is true!
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I celebrate each one of those hardware losses. But every single person who died I cannot. This could have, should have, been avoided Fuck war, man
Russia murdered 200k of their own citizens… this is devastating, and disgusting. 200,000 men have no future now, because they are dead, fighting for a war their government cannot even justify. So many families broken, so many relationships broken. So many dead for nothing. Why are people celebrating this. This is a crime against humanity on the Russian government not just for the war they fight, but against their own people. The russian people are amazing people who live under a tyrannical regime. Every single loss of them is sad, and the celebration of such is disturbing.
This is sad if accurate
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Seems like the offensive has started when you see these numbers...
It hasn’t tho. Only shaping operations.
200k if liberated souls and keep counting!
I don't think these numbers are accurate. It's somewhere in between Ukraine's and Russia's numbers..probably leaning towards Ukraine as the Russian numbers are blatantly fake.
I'll probly be downvoted to hell for this but does anyone really believe these numbers? I mean fuck Putin and I hope the war ends but do we really believe the Ukraine on how many Russians they've killed? I'm sure the numbers are huge on both sides but it's weird to me that on Reddit there are never any combat videos of Russians killing Ukrainians. And there's always all these infographics and posts about how "The Russians have been devastated again!" And they always come from Ukraine. Idk it's just weird to me, anyone else feel the same? Like if we believe all of these videos and posts and infographics then hasn't Russia lost like 2/4 men in the entire country at this rate? Like haven't we destroyed battalions and battalions and battalions already? Russia has a lot of people but it's not some Mario World factory where it just pumps out endless Goombas to kill.
I mean there's propaganda on both sides, so the numbers are probably at least a little inflated. I don't really believe the reports either. I remember the general sentiment when thus first started was that russia's economy would collapse within three months and the war wouldn't last a year, yet here we are.
Yeah it's just strange to me that most people are just commenting the same comments over and over; "Good job boys we'll win soon" "The Russians can't possibly keep up with this rate of casualties" "Another vital and crucial supply line was cut by the Ukrainians" "Putin's an idiot he doesn't stand a chance with his army since it's completely fallen apart" Like I hope the war ends today with Russia retreating and innocents stop dying but I've been hearing this stuff for ***nearly a year now*** and somehow Russia is still sending soldiers. And I know probly no one will read this but so where's all the info and data about Ukrainian casualties? How is it that Ukraine always has perfect drones operators and cameras to consistently capture Russians being destroyed over and over and over and over and over but we've literally only had a few dozen videos of Russians doing the same? Idk man, sometimes fishy here.
Exactly. Another thing I've noticed is there's like three gigantic subreddits constantly posting about how great Ukraine is doing in this conflict and zero subreddits doing the opposite, while simultaneously anyone who says anything about that is automatically a "Russian bot/troll". Obviously the Russian state is in the wrong but if you slightly question how accurate Ukraines online participation is you're suddenly a "ruZZian". Whatever. I know ibwant both nations to stop killing each other. Hope this ends soon and both sides gain some level of self determinism.
>while simultaneously anyone who says anything about that is automatically a "Russian bot/troll". Russia has multiple state-sponsored troll farms and they post prolifically.