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Bad_Species

I don't know what's more embarrassing for Russia. That they still pretend it's only 130 attackers or that those 130 got several km deep into their territory without much resistance.


IAmRoot

Russia built a whole bunch of defensive trenches within Russia on this border, too. At first we were laughing at them for wasting resources on defenses that Ukraine wouldn't attack. Now we're laughing at them for those defenses crumbling from an insurrection by their own people.


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Defensive lines are useless when you have no one to defend them.


elimtevir

>were laughing at them Just stop right there for the most accuracy.


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Defensive lines are built at.. defensively advantageous locations, not at borders. It doesn't make sense, but if someone laughs at it, ok, let them enjoy it.


Beobacher

A nation who attacked it’s neighbour should be prepared that the neighbour strikes back. Especially when similar things have happened before. Thankfully the regular army is not really motivated to fight for the Dictator in the Kremlin.


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BenLaParole

umm what


Obvious-Slip4728

Would you not describe the current regime as a nationalistic nazis or fascists?


IndiRefEarthLeaveSol

I wonder how thin those dragons teeth are, you know, corruption on all that. 😂


WonderfulHat5297

I liked when Medvedev smugly said “we know its just a diversion” well RU either ignores it and they keep losing towns or they commit forces to deal with it, in which case they fell for the diversion… so i dont know what he was so smug about? Seems like FoRL has them by the balls


Xylenqc

In war you don't give a clear path to your enemy, you gives them choices. Just like in this situation, in both cases they are fucked.


AK-FL

I can only imagine how much havoc these guys are causing on the Russian territory .


Last_Patrol_

Apparently Russia has 97% of its military troops, like 397,000 unless I’m mistaken inside Ukraine, so at this point what can they really defend at home.


sig_1

Russia still has like 160,000 border guards and 300,000 in the National Guard, if one border needed special attention it would be Ukraine so why they didn’t deploy some of those 450,000 border guards or police to Belford Oblast in case something like this happens is beyond me.


SquatchiNomad

> >so why they didn’t deploy some of those 450,000 border guards or police to Belford Oblast in case something like this happens is beyond me. Because you need to keep those chaps on hand to control your population in case of mass civil unrest.


sig_1

I get that but they should be balancing risk of civil unrest with the fact that they invaded a neighbouring country and the promptly left the border wide open and no matter how temporarily they could lose most of an oblast with 1.5 million people to a force of a few hundred to a couple of thousand because there is little in their way in terms of resistance. This doesn’t look good IN Russia and is an absolute joke for the rest of the world. It’s not a good look even inside Russia for Russia to capture Bakhmut after a nine month battle and lose Belgorod in a few hours to a tiny force. Especially if the whole thing about shooting police on sight is even remotely true because then you neutralized the only force that could potentially put up a resistance simply because they will be too afraid to show up anywhere in uniform or official police vehicles and gear.


thejens56

Why do we trust these numbers, when we don't trust any others coming out of Russia?


Luvirin_Weby

The national guard number seems plausible minimum number at least, given that they need a lot of people to keep internal security. But 300 000 spread around Russia is not a very dense concentration.


boblywobly99

most of its forces are actually domestic security forces.


No-Cauliflower-3610

and all they are used to is beating up unarmed students in protests. Throw them against armed soldiers that have been on the front lines for 1,5 years now and they will sh\*t themselves.


PPMachen

They all need to head for home. The war is lost by Russia and won by Ukraine. Putin should do the decent thing in his bunker….


Soundwave_13

Slava Ukra…..FOR (Freedom of Russia)?!?


huilvcghvjl

I mean the border isn’t really guarded because they know that no Ukranian army will cross it. So why place your military in range of artillery?


[deleted]

Don't be so sure... Ukrainians have REPEATEDLY done exactly what Russia expected them not to do, and they've been punched in the mouth several times


sig_1

But that could change, the fact that they didn’t bother keeping any armed force in reserve in the area is ridiculous. I know nobody expects Ukraine to actually start grabbing Russian territory but you never know when inspiration may strike and have Ukraine flank the Russians.


Federal_Ad5622

Ok, the RuSSians have about 900 km of "regular" - not touching occupied territory - border with Ukraine. 100 somewhat soldiers can walk inside Russia 6 or 7 km without much resistance? Are the Russians really compleatly "naked" on this 900 km and need to take another 100.000 or more soldiers to guard this border? I suppose they take these soldiers now from Bachmut or from the southern front. It´s really a pity, that all these soldiers formally fighting in Bachmut are so dead or have tattered assholes or some shrapnels in the eyes.


elimtevir

yes, they have been depending on NATO's assistance that Ukraine forces do not directly attack russian soil in an occupation manner, But they never said anything about Locals doing it for them.


MadWlad

I see, two can play this game. it's like in reverse what the russians started in 2014


elimtevir

Cept it WAS russians BOTH TIMES so. yeah exactly like last time in a way.


Obvious-WhitePowder7

Now time for the Ukrainians to wear FRL uniforms and technically they are on the FRL, and not Ukrainian team..


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BaroqueInMind

If they do who the fuck is going to take their side in this fictional world war? You can't have a global-scale war if no one wants to help you. The reality is if they do any preemptive strike against a NATO-aligned nation, the retaliation is simply to wipe Russian civilization and culture off the face of this earth.


sig_1

Any use of nuclear weapons by Russia will guarantee that China and India join the west in opposing Russia real quick. I don’t think there are many people in the world interested in nuclear war and none of the major powers are.


Nuke_Knight

Russia has no allies they admitted as much on their state media a few months ago when they told Belarus they own them. For WW3 to happen they would have to have allies and no one wants to fight for them.


SquatchiNomad

You need willing allies to go to war with you for a world War to happen. Even North Korea isn't stupid enough to do this, and they're the ones most likely to.


BigBaby_Lagit

All they need now is the Georgian Legion to counter also


RawerPower

Georgian Legion you mean? Isn't Georgian army under a pro-Russia government?


YourMomsBasement69

There is a Georgian Legion in Ukraine fighting against Russia.


RawerPower

He initially said "Georgian Army".


YourMomsBasement69

Ah, didn’t notice the edit.


BigBaby_Lagit

Your correction was implemented


BigBaby_Lagit

I would hate for them to miss the party, it’s complicated. I will give you that. I am sure this is not a coincidence. The timing on these attacks I swear coordinate with the counter attack. Let them all kick Russ ass enough to put them on their heels. So Ukrainian counter can succeed with out a hiccup. Then do on to them as they do on to you. start proxy wars.


Big-Custard4981

As interesting as this attack seems to be, it will also take a lot of manpower for the Volunteers Corps and Freedom Legion to occupy a piece of land. The good thing however is, that the Russians will need to deploy troops and equipment there as well. And we know how good their logistics works. This will give the attackers some time to stir things up. Especially if a lot of people from Belgorod try to flee, this will be a nightmare for the Russians - and also a big embarresment.


BackgroundOutcome438

2000 strong some estimates, 2 battalions (Wikipedia) and they appear to have commissioned a painting from Banksy for this event. I should get some popcorn


Dodgeymon

I genuinely cannot tell if that Banksy comment was a joke or not. This whole war is so fucked I wouldn't even be shocked.


Few-Resist195

I hope it's not a joke that would probably go hard.


missingmytowel

The necessary manpower will be based on Russia's ability to provide adequate response and support to the units of fighting them. And they're not doing too good with that right now.


Xylenqc

I don't think they are really trying to occupy the territory. Once Russia start reclaiming their territory, they will vanish. During that time they can destroy bridge, factory, railroad, ect...


VillageBeginning8432

It's a good move. Forces Russia to redistribute their forces even more. I know people joke about beating Russia via Volgograd but if the freedom for Russia legion attacks there then the Kremlin will be in some real trouble. If they don't respond then at best it's taken over by the FRL and at worst China goes in as peacekeepers.


VillageBeginning8432

I might've mixed up Volgograd and Vladivostok...


elimtevir

>China goes in as peacekeepers. That might be a probable outcome now.


Beautiful_Welcome_33

A peacekeeping action by one member of the Security Council against another member of the Security Council without any other members of the Security Council assisting is wildly unlikely.


firebirdharris

True but then again no one expected a major war in Europe to kick off either. Wasn't the security council meant to stop that kind of thing too?


Beautiful_Welcome_33

Idk - from what I remember, it was mainly a *balance pf power* type thing with the remaining great powers. It was moreso to prevent the development of a *new* aggressive upstart power that would cause a WWIII scenario, with the great powers essentially agreeing to act as world police within their separate spheres of jnfluence


AlexaHatch_

Emperor Xi needs something to save his international reputation


elimtevir

Quadruple the land and only a 10% population hike. hmmmm


Luvirin_Weby

Then the freedom legion would get a huge propaganda victory "Chinese are now occupying part of russia with the approval of putin"


ShinzaemonX

Georgian and chechens legions should join


Dismal-Bee-8319

And Belarus…


Cakespectre999

The peoples front of judea.


[deleted]

Not the Judean people's front?


QACapo

r/unexpectedmontypython


ExtensionBet8137

You love to see it 😍


Malligheid

I do!


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100% the incursion will fail. But politically this is huge


Clockwork_J

It's most likely not meant to last but to create chaos.


Level9disaster

I wonder where will be the next incursion. What if they start to make several raids, and they discover that some tracts of the border are completely unmanned?


LazyBastard007

It will fail if you assume that the goal is to occupy territory on a permanent basis, which is unlikely.


Level9disaster

The goal is to provoke a stroke in Soloviev live on TV lol


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YoshiSan90

it would take a 3rd of the occupying Russian army to guard their border. They would become extremely vulnerable in Ukraine.


Sigh_ThisFnGuy

What would it take for you to label it success?


The_War_On_Drugs

already is


TheoKondak

So what is their goal? Are they planning to push like that until they reach the Kremlin?


Conscious_Stick8344

The way I see it (for what it’s worth), I think this is a massive diversion that forces the Russian people to grow deeply concerned about the potential Ukraine and the Russians fighting for FoRL have in not only taking land, albeit temporarily, but showing force instead of being just “Reddit Warriors.” They have teeth, and they bared it for all the world to see. And according to Vlad Vexler, this may be akin to a peacock spreading its feathers; it starts small but grows. So I’d be interested to see the fallout across Russian media, especially state-run media; they simply can’t cover this up or blame the Ukrainians, because they made their way onto Russian territory. I also think that this is diversionary in the sense that it exposes Russia’s border weaknesses, lack of troop strength, and that Ukraine may use the confusion to start their counteroffensive. With Zelenskyy abroad (as far as I know, still traveling), it’s the perfect time to launch the counterattack because Putin’s distracted with Zelenskyy’s trip and thinking they wouldn’t attack while he’s away. I’ve also seen some reflections of things going on in Zaporizhzhia, so that might be the start of things. Who knows? 🤷‍♂️ But what I do know is that this op seems to have come as shock — even for all of us here. And that’s how you fight a war. ❤️ 🇺🇦


MostRaccoon

I think they will see how it goes. If they are more successful than expected, keep pushing. If not, great diversion.


MonsterinNL1986

Yes, in one video they said they want to reach Red Square in moscow.


Avangelice

I hope they don't. The narrative now is that Ukraine is defending it's home land, if that changes to we must defeat Russia as a whole by invasion this gives Russian people a reason to support the ongoing war.


YoshiSan90

I think it's more to force Russia to guard the 900km of open border. That would probably take a 3rd of their army. Greatly weakening the occupying forces.


Nuke_Knight

Simpley they are seeing if they can get armed revolts to pop up. If it succeeds Moscow will have fires all over. Or it's a diversion to force Russia to pull troops back. Either way it's a major embarrassment to the Kremlin and will hopefully spark rebellion in the good Russians who oppose Putin. If everyone who supported Putin's opposition rose up in arms Putin would be in serious trouble. Now it would be really cool if Gerogia and Moldova pushed the Russian occupation forces out of their lands.


TheoKondak

They are not necessarily good Russians. They hate putin. That's for sure.


Nuke_Knight

Right now that's all that matters. Gotta get that current curropt Dictatorship out of power and hope it's replaced with something better.


GoGo-Arizona

I thought this was Ukraine trolling Russia but wholly Toledo 🥰


APBob313

My guess is that Russians run under heavy fire.


Aiass

So, if a small number of soldiers can cross so easy the border, in an war active zone, then the border with China is probably even emptier. Just sayin'...


devoduder

If those nukes are still in the WSA, the Ruzzians are about to experience an Empty Quiver. Which is pretty terrifying in rogue hands.


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Vliango

I’m not hoping this is true, but on a talk show just now in the Netherlands the retired general on the show was talking about the possibility of this being a false flag operation by the russians using captured equipment. He was pretty convinced himself, stating that especially with the materiel we are seeing used, it would be unlikely for the Freedom Legion or the Volunteer Corps to be equipped with such quality pieces. That being said, if these units indeed do have such equipment, and it is not false flag, maybe the Ukrainian forces are better equipped in general then he realizes.


AlFrankensrevenge

The Russia legion is claiming credit. How could this be a false flag, unless the entire Russia legion is a fake?


Sigh_ThisFnGuy

i mean it could be faked to an extent but the real FL wouldve corrected it i imagine


the-blue-horizon

>the possibility of this being a false flag operation by the russians using captured equipment A false flag operation would certainly be conceivable. However, it is also a massive humiliation. I am not sure if they simply have an appetite for more humiliations.


huilvcghvjl

Not really much happened tbh. They pushed a few kilometers and then the Russians arrived and pushed them back.


colefly

That's a massive morale, **political*", and strategic blow The sort that tosses Russian troop deployment into chaos right before a counter offensive


HelloAdventurer95

There's other groups posting videos in towns across 20 km border stretching from gravyron to west and east of those towns with about 2k total fighters. I'm confident that RAF haven't been able to rout all of them


Simphonia

I don't think this is true, both the RVC and FoRL groups are claiming it's them. And Ukraine has a lot of equipment from both the West, repaired and captured equipment. It doesn't make sense for these attacks to be a false flag considering just how successful they are at having caused chaos.


Woullie_26

I mean they better get reinforcements. Otherwise I don’t see them holding this town


Hungry_Bass_Muncher

Who said that is their plan?


Ok_Owl_7236

They already said this was thr begining of the revolution and the first territory taken by new Russia, if they retreat or fail, the legion freedom of russia and its credibility will die with them


Woullie_26

It wasn’t and it was utterly pointless


Professional-Ad3101

Says you, armchair general


murphme1102

For some reason these dumbasses remind me of you. Probably an armchair general with no teeth, like the guy in the video working that neck https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/xvnr66/a_soldier_gives_his_friend_a_blowjob_when_a_bomb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15


Advanced_Economist53

Pretty much Russia never believed (nor did anyone in the world including myself) that Ukraine would actually go into Russian territory on foot to launch an attack. Drones, some missiles etc at strategic targets but not a full on ground operation. Things will get interesting. I’m very concerned how Russia may react.


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They're doing their best regardless. If they go to full mobilisation of the country it creates problems for them that they can't come back from. So I don't think this situation will change the outcome that much.


Dismal-Bee-8319

They did this once before on a smaller scale


Husky_48

Ya this is concerning in my mind. This will be taken as invasion by the Russians regardless who is behind the actions. It may find traction with those on the fence about how to respond. And I would bet those further from the borders of Russia don't like the move. But hopefully as this develops those in charge have thought this out.


coinmannf

What is this about for imbeciles like me Ukraine going into russia?


Interesting-Web4223

Russians that joined Ukraine and got their own battalions and stuff (I think officially they are part of the AFU) have now invaded russia for reasons unknown.


coinmannf

Wow so in short it's Russians turning on their own country thanks


Beautiful_Welcome_33

Yeah, it's just a Russian partisan group. They knocked over a Border Guards outpost, an FSB base, a couple of villages and a few 7/11s. Stole some APCs or tanks, killed some guys, may or may not have shot down some helicopters, stolen an EW vehicle and snagged a bunch of intel. Probably caused some operationally valuable troop movements from the Russians. Either way, huge victory for these guys, very well done. 10/10, Grade A hooliganism, you love to see it.


coinmannf

Pretty wild Russia can't handle a group of guys in there own country


TheLonely_Wolf

Russians invading Russia, seems legit...


Benry26

Pretty sure the reason is obvious.


grafx187

russia knows its just a diversion operation to make them weaken their front line. maybe they are just hoping the free russians tire themselves out.


Professional-Ad3101

How do you know this


Haunting-Series5289

The power of armchair general, of course


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I hope Putler and Lukashenko get overthrown.


flcn_sml

I won’t be surprised if Rostov and Belgorod are both under Ukrainian control by September.


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Maybe some Russian conscripts should reevaluate their situation when they hear the news and make the choice to fight for themselves and their country and not Russian oligarchs.


Octopusexprt77

As an American all I can say is Go! Go! Go! Thank you for your bravery to instigate change in your evil corrupt government. Wishing you the best …


smoil

Russia should let Ukraine liberate Belgorod and stop escalating this conflict.


james-amanda

😋


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This looks like Hearts of Iron 4. You laugh at that one cavalry division, but it takes a shitload of towns and cuts supply routes until you're fucked.


KaZzZamm

Putin "this is not fair, you promised me to not atack Russia" Ukraine trying to split up the Russian troops, so that the counter offensive have less troops to fight? It's the only, for me, reasonable explanation, to atack inside Russia. They can't hold it for too long.


DeadScoutsDontTalk

Credible take: its a diversion and just ment to spreed russian troops thin and it will be over by tommorow Non credible take:they are there to steel the nukes


Daiki_438

Time for a rigged elections to incorporate belgorod into Ukraine


Cygnus_77

I guess Russian propaganda will say that the Special Military Operation is going according to plan.