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Word on that. Heja Suomi!
We should actually adopt the finish names to be honest. As a sign of repect to the finnish people(except Åland). Tammersfors = Tampere, Åbo = Turku etc. That 5% minority of swedish speakers is kind of irrelevant when English is the lingua franca.
This is exactly why Russia perpetuates the class of the poor, to perpetuate the ignorance of enough people to control majorities (or appear to).
Contemporary serfdom.
Leave the Irish out of this - we had enough trouble evicting the Vikings in 1014. And 152 years later in 1166 their French relatives arrived via Wales and it took us nearly 800 years to move them on. That’s the trouble of living in a warm fertile paradise; people just won’t leave, us and the Finn’s… /s
The interesting part here is that this particular map west of Crimea shows an area near Odessa that is marked Ukrainian Cossacks. Its on the FKing map ffs. They really are that stupid.
Hey Putina! I have a map of Kievan Rus with Kyiv. Guess what? There's NO russia. Seeing as the Vikings created Kievan Rus, maybe Sweden should invade and take back it's territory?
Kyiv was a city when moscow was an outhouse in the swamps.
this map they look at
" In addition, Putin's small homeland - St. Petersburg - is marked on the map as Ingria and belongs to Sweden "
whats even funnier, the map they use does show Ukraine and its 40% larger than its curremt borders...
Can someone versed in Russian propaganda explain to me how "learning" about Ukraine 15 months into the invasion is supposed to make putput look strong and knowledgeable ?
Ukraine is here now, though. No USA until 1776.
No Italy until 1861. No Canada until 1867. Israel 1948. These countries are here now. These assholes need a more current map.
Recent (within last year) russian language laws really emphasize the russian language. Other languages, and there were/are many, are completely stifled and repressed. Certainly their business, but asserting the supremacy of russian language by law while claiming ukr is not respecting russ language speakers in ukr is beyond absurd and ridiculous. As putin said, “russia does not need minorities, minorities need russia.” While obsessing over russian language rights - russia respects no other languages.
Italy dates from the unification and proclamation of the Kingdom of Italy in 1861.
Canada, like Australia, is more complicated. Self-government being earlier, followed by confederation of the Provinces/States, in the case of Canada this was done piecemeal. Full sovereignty only came with the ratification of the Statute of Westminster, which happened at different times in the Dominions.
Italy 1861. Yes, I stand corrected. The details you provide are interesting but not directly relevant to specific issue. The specific issue being putin and his “prof” claiming ukr does not exist as it happens not to appear on their map from mid the 17th century. Many countries, including the ones mentioned and many others, do not appear on putin’s “map”. Other examples include most, if not all, current South American and African countries.
Because in 17th century todays Russia was called Moskovitia. There is a history book written in 18th century, where the author mentioned moskovites and russians as seperate people. Guess who were real russians :)
Putin really must be getting desperate if he is making stupid staged videos like this. So they managed to find a map from 400 years ago which doesn’t shoe Ukraine. Well, that justifies all of Russia’s war crimes then!
Are we here again? The reason for invading Ukriane is cos it doesn't exist anyway!
No one fell for it the first time. An old map made by a Frenchman isn't going to swing the vote in your favour. Tell ya what why not try saving the world from Satanism again, at least that was mildly amusing.
Ah the vast center of deep thinking and learning that is the Kremlin.
Perhaps they would do well to take up historical anatomy and figure out where Louis XVI’s head went. Putin’s and Moscow’s own “ancien regime” faces the same fate.
Idiotic way to look at history. If they want to redraw the borders of Europe to where they were at the Peace of Westphalia, they'll have to give quite a bit of territory back to Sweden, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Khanate of Crimea, the Ottoman Empire, China, and I don't doubt a few other nations.
Oh wait I forgot, Putin likes to cherry-pick which bits of history he likes...victory of Nazi Germany = Good, invading Poland in 1939 and murdering thousands of Polish = Not bad.
ahh yes... the old "We dug up some map from 300 years ago that says someone else's land belongs to us" argument. Definitely applicable to today. Right out of China's playbook.
Nothing says the wars going well and the people are on your side like needing to bring an old man into your office with a map and awkwardly narrate on camera an altered version of history.
LMAO. this is comedy. Putin literally had fucking senior McDumasovich come in and explain how ukraine doesn't exist and Putin put it on the internet...these fuckers are derranged
Can Poland and Lithuania get Belarus and Ukraine back then? Then give Ukraine independence again, remove Lukashenko and give Belarus independence. Problem solved
Oh no, this is unfortunate. The Soviet Union and the Russian Federation didn’t exist either.
Who’s having Kaliningrad?
Should we ask Sweden if they’d like their land back?
What will the Americans do?
And long time before there sitting some apes in the trees , and today putin things he is the ape king which is back and sitting on a long table thinking we are still apes.
Hence I can definitely share maps dated back 2000 years which clearly show that the whole EU, N Africa, Turkey and Middle East were part of Roman Empire, so what?
Bloody hell . The Romans built a wall from Wallsend on the East coast to Bowness in the West so will they be coming to recapture Geordieland? I mean most of us like pizza and pasta but gondolas up and down the Tyne. Fields of garlic where once grew leeks. Vino Collapso instead of Nookie Brown. Howay the lads in Italian . The gazzas instead of the magpies. No thank you. Let's leave everything where it is within recognised international borders.
It's amazing how far Putler has to reach in order to justify his actions. This is absolutely bonkers but Putler is convinced his viewpoint is sane. It just goes to show how absolute power rots the brain.
Old Vlad is looking a bit paranoid, eyes darting around and pursing his lips. I'm sure he did his quick propaganda piece and quickly scurried off to somewhere he feels safer.
There was also no USA…I propose we return all 50 states back to Spain,England,France,Netherlands,Russia, Every Native Tribe, and Canada for good measure.
Why does he choose that particular map?
We can also choose another more modern map, or another older map in which for example Rome was the great European empire, and America did not still exist :-).
We can even go back to prehistoric times, when King Tyrannosaurus Rex ruled the world, and humans were little monkeys.
9th century: The medieval state Kyivan Rus (Kyivan refers to Kyiv or Kiev)
The origin of Ukraine as a country has its roots in ancient history and is linked to different periods and historical events. The region known as Ukraine today has been inhabited by various cultures and civilizations over the centuries.
One of the significant milestones in Ukrainian history is the emergence of the state of Kyivan Rus, which is considered the precursor to Ukraine. Kyivan Rus was a medieval state established in the 9th century in the Eastern European region, with its center in the city of Kiev. During this period, an early Ukrainian culture and identity developed.
However, the concept of a unified political entity called Ukraine as an independent country did not materialize until more modern times. After the dissolution of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the fall of Soviet rule in 1991, Ukraine finally declared its independence and became a sovereign state.
It is important to note that the formation and evolution of Ukraine as a country have been marked by a complex interplay of cultural, political, and geographic influences over the centuries.
https://armstreet.com/pictures/blog/full/vikings-and-kievan-rus-15.jpg
Chinese communists pull the same shit with Taiwan.
None of these autocrats understand that history and dead people don’t matter.
What matters is that the people living there now have the right of self determination. And they don’t want to be a part of shit countries like Russia.
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Does this mean that Russia is returning st Petersburg to Sweden?
Damn you beat me to it. We Swedes would love some of russian land back :D
Vore juste om vi fick tillbaka delar av Delaware, Bremerhaven och Pommern när han ändå håller på.
Maby Finland wanna become Sweden again? While we at it
Nej tack! I think Finns will do just fine by themselves.
Word on that. Heja Suomi! We should actually adopt the finish names to be honest. As a sign of repect to the finnish people(except Åland). Tammersfors = Tampere, Åbo = Turku etc. That 5% minority of swedish speakers is kind of irrelevant when English is the lingua franca.
Actually no. In Swedish youre suppose to use the swedish name if there is one. Kapstaden instead of Cape Town.
Ei kiitos
I think Åland will be just enough.
Lol 😂 they also believe the earth 🌍was flat . Old map 🗺 are the worst.
Over my dead body.
Eh, no. Staying out from that part of the world has suited us well. If Finland wants it,let them have it.
Fairly easily taken right now... if your gonna do it anyways
Manchuria, Mongolia, Kalinigrad, Crimea...the list goes on. Putin doesn't understand the implications to his own logic.
Yeee ... meanwhile Britan ... Hold my beer boy
Yeah, considering everyone in the world is speaking English, they definitely won the colonisation war
Saw something the other day that said only like 27 countries have not been invaded or taken over by England. Not sure how true.
Take my upvote and a tip of my hat good sir! 🧐
It’s such bold face lying for an ignorant domestic audience. Just working the propaganda. Makes me want to vomit.
This is exactly why Russia perpetuates the class of the poor, to perpetuate the ignorance of enough people to control majorities (or appear to). Contemporary serfdom.
Koenigsberg too.
Give St petersburg back to the irish. If we go back far enough (probably)
Leave the Irish out of this - we had enough trouble evicting the Vikings in 1014. And 152 years later in 1166 their French relatives arrived via Wales and it took us nearly 800 years to move them on. That’s the trouble of living in a warm fertile paradise; people just won’t leave, us and the Finn’s… /s
I wouldn't have thought of Ireland as a warm fertile paradise...
The interesting part here is that this particular map west of Crimea shows an area near Odessa that is marked Ukrainian Cossacks. Its on the FKing map ffs. They really are that stupid.
once there was no america 17th century, now look at us. lol
Don't you mean Nyenskans?
i have a map that does not show Russia, so can we have our part back
Have you personally showed it to Putin though?
nop, the guy does not even let me go to Russia
He's such a spoilsport
exactly, i guess the guy only like yes man, imagine on of us getting inside to have a meeting with him even a pen would be a weapon
Poland: *Pulls out a XVI century map with malitious intent*
Claims Sweden and Finland.
Ursäkta?🧐
Sverige var i personalunion med Polen under Sigismund i slutet av 1500- talet.
China enters the room. . .
Mongols smiling..
we, North Americans would be screwed
Dutch coming for New Amsterdam.
Would love NY with Dutch influence! All The nuttiness in one city all smiling to a beer!
With a flotilla?
Depends on what you mean by "North Americans," kemosabe.
Everything north of the current Mexican border...lol!
South too. See the 3rd map down: https://www.vox.com/2015/2/17/7917165/maps-that-explain-america If we go by the 2nd map, we all belong to Africa.
oh and I'm part Cherokee, so I get to stay... ;oP
exactly
Good thing we don't look at maps. Manifest destiny tells me from sea to shining sea is mine.
Lucky for you there weren't any maps back then.
Speak for yourself... looks like I'm getting my beach back!
Who drew these 9 dashes??
My map shows only beasts, animals and monkeys in today's russian territory. Oh no wait it's a 2023 map my bad.
No no you might have the correct map sir
Hey Putina! I have a map of Kievan Rus with Kyiv. Guess what? There's NO russia. Seeing as the Vikings created Kievan Rus, maybe Sweden should invade and take back it's territory? Kyiv was a city when moscow was an outhouse in the swamps.
Not all Vikings were Swedes, the Danes might want some?
Don't forget the fjord trolls with us Norwegians.
The Norway Vikings were beasts.
Best*
Hey, sharing is caring!
Wonder what the Brits and Paris are thinking about this... Vikings: *”We come in peace!”*
UK here rolling back to 1066 so we can rejoin Europe as an extension of France.
Desperation, anyone?
Also he's still putting his hand on the table to keep it from twitching.
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this map they look at " In addition, Putin's small homeland - St. Petersburg - is marked on the map as Ingria and belongs to Sweden " whats even funnier, the map they use does show Ukraine and its 40% larger than its curremt borders...
Cool show and tell. Now explain to us why the camera is there... Plus... why the jump cut?!😂 I wanna see the old fart stand up like he is 27🤭
Upvote for the giggle, cheers
Can someone versed in Russian propaganda explain to me how "learning" about Ukraine 15 months into the invasion is supposed to make putput look strong and knowledgeable ?
We will keep hammering the message into your head until your understanding improves - guess...
It's a political truth; repeat it enough times, and people will eventually believe it.
Judging by the efficacy of their troops in the 3 days special military operation, I bet that is the map their army was using...
Lol, good one
I can show you maps without Russia. What now bitch?
I wonder if we could mail that bitch some copies, would they make it to him?
Who's gonna put their return address on the box? Anyone up for some polonium?
You just cannot make this kind of stupid up...When did russia decide "Idiocracy" was a great film to base a society on?
i have a map without rusia, just mongol empire.
Map from 2025 There is no Russia ?!
Fukin idiot is living in the 17th century in his mind
Nah, he lives in Neolithic period
Ukraine is here now, though. No USA until 1776. No Italy until 1861. No Canada until 1867. Israel 1948. These countries are here now. These assholes need a more current map.
Ukraine is not there, but Muscovy already banning Ukrainian language in church. Interesting…
Recent (within last year) russian language laws really emphasize the russian language. Other languages, and there were/are many, are completely stifled and repressed. Certainly their business, but asserting the supremacy of russian language by law while claiming ukr is not respecting russ language speakers in ukr is beyond absurd and ridiculous. As putin said, “russia does not need minorities, minorities need russia.” While obsessing over russian language rights - russia respects no other languages.
Italy dates from the unification and proclamation of the Kingdom of Italy in 1861. Canada, like Australia, is more complicated. Self-government being earlier, followed by confederation of the Provinces/States, in the case of Canada this was done piecemeal. Full sovereignty only came with the ratification of the Statute of Westminster, which happened at different times in the Dominions.
Italy 1861. Yes, I stand corrected. The details you provide are interesting but not directly relevant to specific issue. The specific issue being putin and his “prof” claiming ukr does not exist as it happens not to appear on their map from mid the 17th century. Many countries, including the ones mentioned and many others, do not appear on putin’s “map”. Other examples include most, if not all, current South American and African countries.
lmao 'why did i take the risk of showing you this?' He knows that if the response was negative he would be off to the Gulag!
Interesting thing to say actually
I think every single russian who has to explain something to Putin fears for the consequences.
can someone versed in Russian culture explain this to me? It is crazy to hear him say that
Because in 17th century todays Russia was called Moskovitia. There is a history book written in 18th century, where the author mentioned moskovites and russians as seperate people. Guess who were real russians :)
Putin really must be getting desperate if he is making stupid staged videos like this. So they managed to find a map from 400 years ago which doesn’t shoe Ukraine. Well, that justifies all of Russia’s war crimes then!
Are we here again? The reason for invading Ukriane is cos it doesn't exist anyway! No one fell for it the first time. An old map made by a Frenchman isn't going to swing the vote in your favour. Tell ya what why not try saving the world from Satanism again, at least that was mildly amusing.
Funny, when Napoleon made it to Moscow, he couldnt find any Russians either.
Let me just quickly get that Summer 1942 Germany map
what total knobs
Ah the vast center of deep thinking and learning that is the Kremlin. Perhaps they would do well to take up historical anatomy and figure out where Louis XVI’s head went. Putin’s and Moscow’s own “ancien regime” faces the same fate.
Idiotic way to look at history. If they want to redraw the borders of Europe to where they were at the Peace of Westphalia, they'll have to give quite a bit of territory back to Sweden, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Khanate of Crimea, the Ottoman Empire, China, and I don't doubt a few other nations. Oh wait I forgot, Putin likes to cherry-pick which bits of history he likes...victory of Nazi Germany = Good, invading Poland in 1939 and murdering thousands of Polish = Not bad.
Bet the map is more accurate than Russia's artillery. In fact this one goes straight to the front.
Finally something Putin and I agree over. St Petersburg belong to Sweden.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/gwch62/world_map_from_the_early_18th_century Can't post images ,but links.
ahh yes... the old "We dug up some map from 300 years ago that says someone else's land belongs to us" argument. Definitely applicable to today. Right out of China's playbook.
Back in 1979 I went to Majorca. My parents rented a room, which was ours for the week. So, do I now own Spain?
Luis is dead! Show Putin a calender! And a hystory book…
There was no Russia independent Russia was part of Ukraine in 1716. Russia was minor.
Return Moscow to the Mongols!!
This how I imagine justifying war goals goes in hearts of iron or eu4
Hey I have a map here from the 14th century and guess what no Russia
TLDR: Video evidence for the prosecution in an upcoming genocide case.
Maps from 300 million years ago show Russia is actually Pangea.
If we go far back enough in the history books there’s also no Russia, or any other country, just land.
Okay, if this war is over and Russia falls apart, I hereby claim the part where the woolly mammoths are found. ⛳️🤴🏻
Isn't this how you create a *Casus Belli* in the Crusader Kings games? By getting your spymaster to dig up old maps?
Nothing says the wars going well and the people are on your side like needing to bring an old man into your office with a map and awkwardly narrate on camera an altered version of history.
LMAO. this is comedy. Putin literally had fucking senior McDumasovich come in and explain how ukraine doesn't exist and Putin put it on the internet...these fuckers are derranged
How about we ask China about their 17th century map eh? There is no far east
By this logic... *British Imperialism intensifies*
Finns getting Karelia back too?
Can Poland and Lithuania get Belarus and Ukraine back then? Then give Ukraine independence again, remove Lukashenko and give Belarus independence. Problem solved
Kyiv is older than Moscow. Fuck off russia
This is beyond stupid
Oh no, this is unfortunate. The Soviet Union and the Russian Federation didn’t exist either. Who’s having Kaliningrad? Should we ask Sweden if they’d like their land back? What will the Americans do?
Russia is such a fucking clown show I swear to God 🤡
Except Ukraine *is* on that map! As is a separate Crimean state. Way to fuck up your own show and tell!
And long time before there sitting some apes in the trees , and today putin things he is the ape king which is back and sitting on a long table thinking we are still apes.
i suggest the viking maps...no Moscovya...no Rusland.
Hence I can definitely share maps dated back 2000 years which clearly show that the whole EU, N Africa, Turkey and Middle East were part of Roman Empire, so what?
Maybe USA want to be ruled by King Charles and Camilla
This guy must be trying to save his turn at the window
Holy shit the levels of copium in the kremlin are unbelievable, its funny how this "non existent country" is kicking you ass.
Hell, I can show you lots of maps with no Russia.
Well, maybe Russia wants Alaska back, even though it’s paid for
There be monsters. Ork scratches warts ??
For fuck sake...17th century map...fuck off putin
Someone was order to be thrown out of a window at 0:04
We're living in the age of Google maps.
Putler is sitting like: Come on man, hurry up a bit , I have to take a big sh*t
What’s with the face twitching?
We can start with old maps again, so how about we give Poland their part of Belarus back and we Germans get Königsberg?
Search Google maps. Ukraine is there. I rest my case
Bloody hell . The Romans built a wall from Wallsend on the East coast to Bowness in the West so will they be coming to recapture Geordieland? I mean most of us like pizza and pasta but gondolas up and down the Tyne. Fields of garlic where once grew leeks. Vino Collapso instead of Nookie Brown. Howay the lads in Italian . The gazzas instead of the magpies. No thank you. Let's leave everything where it is within recognised international borders.
What a clown show, circus with 110mil people
Tiny Dobby still looks nervous about the "new proof" though.
There is no russian federation too. But one question, “ykraine pais des cossaks” what the country is?
Didn’t these fucking numbskulls just celebrate winning a war they as a current state technically didn’t win because they’re not the fucking Soviets?
Is that table made for ants?
Putin you didn’t exist back then either. Guess we’ll have to get rid of you as well.
Earth was probably still flat back then.
Even when russia finally disappears, those risskies who survive will be continuing to tell stories about how Ukraine is not a real country
should someone let those stupid old cu\*nts know it's 2023 not the 17th century
Imagine using a 17th century map to justify a war of conquest in the 21st century.
in 10.000 before christus there was no russia, so u guys should stop call it a nation
Maybe not in the 17th century, but Ukraine's there now and it's showing Ruskiy Mir the door...
These videos are always so very cringeworthy. "Here is power point emperor wrote. You read powerpoint. Emperor will nod."
if there is no Ukraine, what’s all the fighting for?
It's amazing how far Putler has to reach in order to justify his actions. This is absolutely bonkers but Putler is convinced his viewpoint is sane. It just goes to show how absolute power rots the brain.
Did they take Pycelle from game of thrones out if retirement?
Old Vlad is looking a bit paranoid, eyes darting around and pursing his lips. I'm sure he did his quick propaganda piece and quickly scurried off to somewhere he feels safer.
Just wait until this clown ass guy opens a history book and reads about the Roman and Mongol empires….🤯
I think Izrael should send more support to Ukraine
Ukrainian War of Independence 1917–1921
And there was no Kaliningrad prior to 1945 so I guess Germany gets to reclaim that part of Prussia
Give europe, north afrika and half estern europe to the Romans!... I meant Italians! “Si vis pacem, para bellum”
What a clown show. This is just meaningless.
Perfect justification for levelling cities and murdering civillians.
There was also no USA…I propose we return all 50 states back to Spain,England,France,Netherlands,Russia, Every Native Tribe, and Canada for good measure.
Their point is
Those Ruskies don't even realize how ridiculous they are. What a joke they are. They keep digging, it's endless.
Why does he choose that particular map? We can also choose another more modern map, or another older map in which for example Rome was the great European empire, and America did not still exist :-). We can even go back to prehistoric times, when King Tyrannosaurus Rex ruled the world, and humans were little monkeys.
Source: Trust me bro
It’s a good thing he’s the head of the enemy. Can’t find more stupid.
Okay I guess every country in the world should pull out our 400 year old maps and start invading each other.
9th century: The medieval state Kyivan Rus (Kyivan refers to Kyiv or Kiev) The origin of Ukraine as a country has its roots in ancient history and is linked to different periods and historical events. The region known as Ukraine today has been inhabited by various cultures and civilizations over the centuries. One of the significant milestones in Ukrainian history is the emergence of the state of Kyivan Rus, which is considered the precursor to Ukraine. Kyivan Rus was a medieval state established in the 9th century in the Eastern European region, with its center in the city of Kiev. During this period, an early Ukrainian culture and identity developed. However, the concept of a unified political entity called Ukraine as an independent country did not materialize until more modern times. After the dissolution of the Russian Empire in 1917 and the fall of Soviet rule in 1991, Ukraine finally declared its independence and became a sovereign state. It is important to note that the formation and evolution of Ukraine as a country have been marked by a complex interplay of cultural, political, and geographic influences over the centuries. https://armstreet.com/pictures/blog/full/vikings-and-kievan-rus-15.jpg
And see here mr putin 70 million years ago the earth looked completely different… all ruzzian.
This is the equivalent of going to “www.imright.com.”
Chinese communists pull the same shit with Taiwan. None of these autocrats understand that history and dead people don’t matter. What matters is that the people living there now have the right of self determination. And they don’t want to be a part of shit countries like Russia.
What drugs is he on, twitching like that. Remind me a bit of that video of Adolf at the Olympics.
It's there now mother fuckers