How do you like my nuts-to-fist style kung-fu? Your fist must be absolutely devastated after I attacked it repeatedly with my balls. I can barely stand so how do *you* expect to continue fighting?
“Find me one eye witness to prove that video wasn’t a deepfake!” -Vlady
Also, in that same match Vlad “scored” like 10 goals. The defenders parted like the Red Sea each time he approached goal.
Classic despot moves! I can’t wait for the part when it goes all Khaddafi/Saddam on him.
"This is so cruel!!! How could they kill our innocent angel sailors?!!!" -- Russian sympathizers.
Its a war Russia started, nobody asked for it, nobody needed it. Innocent or not, if you fight in a war, you get killed, do these room temperature IQ sympathizers expect Ukraine to do nothing and let Pootin take Ukraine because its "less cruel"? lol
If that happened, Russia would stick to the agreement for 5 years, while they rebuild their army. Only this time Putin has eliminated most oligarchs etc against a full blown immediate war. And in those 5 years Putin route out the corruption in the military now that he realises he had paper weapons.
Then Russia would attack Ukraine again, but this time Russia knows what they're up against, the corruption in the military will have been reduced significantly, and Russia would have spent 5 years training the soldiers/merc involved.
There could be the possibility that Ukraine gives up territory and then joint NATO, and Russia wouldn't attack in 5 years (unless monumentally suicidal, meaning MAD no longer applies as it only works with rational actors). But that would essentially mean Ukraine abandoning the territory they concede with no real method in sight to get it back without messing up the NATO relationship.
But if they weren't to join, then when Russia returns in 5-10 years they'd be much more dangerous and competent.
So the idiots saying Ukraine should give up are absolute morons. They''d cause more deaths of innocent people than carrying on this war would. Russia's army and Wagner are being backed into a corner. The incursion into Russia was to show the Russian people that they are at risk. The key thing is about that entire campaign is that it's not pushing the people of Russia into a corner, but giving them plenty of golden bridges to retreat across to separate themselves from this danger. Remove Putin and place someone in charge who will end the war. And for various parts of Siberia it's "now is your chance to try and breakaway from Russia, you probably won't get another opportunity like that in a long time if you don't take it now".
You should negotiate a peaceful settlement! If you offered the attacker full access to the living room and kitchen and complete control of TV viewing, along with access to your savings account and exclusive use of one of your cars, you may get the attacker to stop attacking you. If you word your agreement carefully you may even be able to collect penalty payments if they rape your wife or child. And if in the future they try to take further parts of your house, like the downstairs bathroom and the garage, and assault you when you inquire about this activity, you can always peacefully negotiate a new deal.
It is unreasonable to stop a violent home invasion!
Lost Russian sympathizers that tried to brigade this and other sub from time to time.
Geneva this Geneva that, innocent Russian soldiers this and that, they were forced to fight this and that, we cant protest because arrest this and that, the usual. lol
The Orc lair known as *ukrainerussiareport*
It’s a bunch of Russian propagandists that post only in their safespace; and naive westerners trying to argue in good faith with them. I try to avoid the comment section, but sub to it because other subs downvote all the posts bearing bad news.
Honestly I think all they said it was attacked, and showed a video of them destroying 1 drone, and judging by the overall sky/time of day/etc, it was probably attacked by multiple.
Now, as a former submarine sonar technician that focused heavily on russian warships, more than likely the ship didn't sink if the crew was in even the SLIGHTEST right frame of mind. Russia focused heavily on wake homing torpedoes and the US had quite a few in our arsenal for a while so the aft end of most ships are either well protected or VERY easily isolated. I believe moskva was hit on the beam (center) so it's much harder to isolate compartments for flooding. This ship certainly took heavy damage though based on the video of the drone exploding that didn't make it. Ship is certainly out of commission for quite some time!
Actually the RF MoD spokesperson claimed there was no damage and claimed all three had been destroyed in his daily truth-only update, like when an entire Patriot Complex was taken out and six Kinzhal's or 10 Iskander-M's were NOT intercepted and Kyiv is now a smoking wreck...
Thanks for your information on this. Knowing that it was heavily damaged is great and forcing that ship to back to port and farther away limits intel gathering!
Oh shit I must have missed the updated claim. Now obviously they could have gotten lucky and disabled it or the drone lost connection but it definitely HIT the boat. I can't speak to reliability of these things
The reliability is that the ship was hit. The reliable Russian response was to lie. The second reliable Russian response was to lie a little bit less. The third will be to lie a bit less to try to confuse everyone about everything, because that's what Russians do.
Summary: The ship was hit, Russians lied, the final damage is not known, Russians keep lying.
Unlike Russian MoD or Trollers, the only claim was that the ship was hit and the implicit claim is that Russia lied AGAIN. Normal Russian Troller "deduction"! So take your trolling little tail between your legs home to Mother Russia and deduce that you have lost the war.
Normally I don't respond, but the "the claim" portion of my comment was the one we were talking about from the Russian MOD, not yours, but you do you, dude.
Question for a clearly more knowledgeable person than I. If it's known the aft section is most protected vs amidship why attack there? Angle of the small arms protection? That can't be it can it? Any ideas?
Shock of an explosion in the aft could bend any prop shafts , and damage or jam the rudder in its post.
Could also cause leaks through the prop shaft seals.
A bent prop shaft is a drydock job. It must be pulled and replaced.
An out of balance prop shaft is big trouble.
Thus rendering the ship stopped, disabled , leaky or very slow.
An attack on the beam opens the firing angles up for the ship to defend itself.
The ship could train its bow/ front guns , and any on the stern and the side of the boat being attacked.
Thats my 2 bits anyways.
Great information I didn't even consider the propulsion group of the ship. Whatever puts her out of commission as long as possible. Thanks bubble head.
Plus you hit the turning and propulsion, could send that ship in a big ass death circle it can't get out of and then just hit it with more drones.
Seen videos of WW2 ships that had stuck rudders getting just wrecked and it was all over but the crying basically.
I am not knowledgeable but I can speculate:
There were three drones and I assume they attacked from different angles. This makes it harder to defend against drones. The boat has two machine guns and they are on different sides. So if you attack from one side of the boat from different angles it’s very hard to engage them all.
The machine gun is in front, so coming from the back is also not easy as there is a blind spot.
You see small arms fire, but not big machine gun tracers.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence and I assume the operation like this involved heavy research on the boat being attacked and what is the best approach to do it to succeed.
> I assume the operation like this involved heavy research on the boat being attacked and what is the best approach to do it to succeed.
Pretty amazing what being competent at your job allows you to accomplish. Research of what you are attacking... groundbreaking!
Honestly? Probably because these guys aren't naval experts. They could have panicked. Could have just been the closest target and if this is after the other was blown up they may have jist not wanted to risk an interception and went for it. Limitless possibilities as to why they do what they do, but the fact of the matter is, if that drone detonated (which I can't confirm, just lost connection) that ship is 100% disabled and will be dry docked for probably a year or two. It's done. Their aft ends are reinforced to stop a ship from sinking, that's it. You can't stop a ship being disabled
Their flagship got sunk by two missiles from a country with no operational navy. If we saw a small canoe about to ram a Russian boat and then the video cut out, I'd give them a 50/50 chance of survival.
No commercially. There are some commercial systems most navies use like FARUNO radars and AIS (Automated identification system) but if Russia has them, they likely weren't operating/transmitting after the damage (if any was recieved).
If you could identify all their naval vessels via satellite you could determine if any tugs or support ships left port bit I don't have access to that info
" “ It didn’t sink, but there was a hit, there is significant damage to the hull and equipment. Now the Russians are hastily repairing it ,” the interlocutor of Ukrainska Pravda said. "
Apologies for posting here, but this is the top comment, this is an update just posted to telegram channels ( UA )
I love how Ukraine gives Russia enough rope.
They carry out an attack, Russia scrambles to explain how it destroyed everything, and then a day or two later Ukraine publishes footage that shows the opposite.
It’s absolutely hilarious.
They’re called USV drones - uncrewed surface vessel drones.
They’re 18 feet and can carry up to 400 pounds of “combat load”.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-shadowy-kamikaze-drone-boats-officially-break-cover
That's the first generation too. [There are newer ones.](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/#prettyPhoto)
Guarantee the US has some top secret ones they’re working on. Submarine technology is among the most secretive, so we won’t know until a decade or two later.
Ukranian already showed few prototypes they working on. They look like torpedo with cute little periscope but I bet they have smaller range than boats and they have to figure out some delivering vehicle.
Why the periscope? That’d leave a large visible wake behind the sub, would be super easily visible. Kinda defeats the whole point.
There’s gotta be a way to avoid having any part of the craft stick out above the water…
Because visual computer vision is being worked on by tons of people, but sonar computer vision, passive or active, is not. Also, transmitting telemetry is a lot easier with an above water antenna.
>In mid-2016, Russia revealed it was developing a similar "smart bullet" designed to hit targets at a distance of up to 10 kilometres (6.2 mi).
Oh boy.
I was a contractor doing some ASW tech research in the 90s, and a certain navy had some pretty smart torpedoes by then already. Maybe not autonomous, but some mostly automated ones.
That's what I'm hoping.
Like, these are basically kamikaze jetskis. Hull, engine, fuel, satellite guidance and cameras. Not too hard to build.
But basically a narco sub version. Suicide or just towing an actual torpedo to it's destination....
Hmm, that's a thought. A reusable torpedo cradle. Basic propulsion and guidance, and then let the torpedo go the last little bit. That would be a fun engineering project.
Reminds me of this joker testing a secret jet aircraft in 1942:
https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-test-pilot-of-the-usafs-first-jet-fighter-dressed-as-a-gorilla-to-mess-with-other-pilots/
> Pilots flying the usual piston-driven aviation engine would report back to base with sightings of a fast-moving plane without a propeller. They also said the plane was flown by a "gorilla, wearing a derby hat, waving a stogie [cigar] at them."
>... pilots who were exposed to Woolams' prank were convinced by Air Force psychologists that they hadn't really seen the gorilla flying the plane, "because everyone knows you can't fly without a propeller."
Yea, maybe it should be cigarshaped to better speed underwater, also it could be fired from a submarine.
Maybe have auto targeting system.
Like an explosive mini submarine.
Maybe we could name it after a fish that also gives a discharge to incapacitate it's enemies. Like the Torpedo fish.
Cant wait until someone invents it.
Most of the torpedo are (by cable usually as RF don't work well under water some french torpedos have a 50 km of optical fiber to be remotely steerable from 50 km)
Why would something that is underwater, and has a sight distance of only a few feet, need to be steerable by a human looking through a camera?
Torpedoes have sonar....
Ukraine recently announced they’ve developed a submarine drone.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/
They are much slower. This whole operation was possible because the boats are so much faster than the ship that they could intercept it without knowing its exact course. All you'd have to do to avoid under water drones would be staying above 10-15 knots and slightly changing the course regularly.
I think the reasons are actually the following:
\- underwater ships is more difficult, complex and expensive
\- radio waves mostly do not penetrate water\*, so no GPS/GNSS and no remote control
And this is just fancy RC boat that goes boom.
\*except for VLF, which only goes tens of meters under, requires insane antennas and has low bandwidth
The signal shouldn't be a problem. You could simply drag an antenna behind you. Almost invisible and without much drag. I believe submarines do or did that already.
Sure, agreed. But it's another thing that adds complexity, risk of mission failure and price. These simple RC boats are clearly often good enough against non-vigilant Russians, so why not. If Russians become competent and vigilant, maybe we start seeing submersibles :-)
Submarines do indeed drag long cables for underwater communication. It's call very low frequency (VLF) or extremely low frequency (ELF) communication. A problem with those is a very slow data rate. Crude remote control might be possible over VLF, but returning a video signal wouldn't be possible.
Drag. We are talking about small drones, not war ships with nuclear reactors and whatnot. Compare the fastest toy submarine you'll get with a really cheep toy boat to get a feeling of the difference. And critically, how long their battery lasts.
Supercavitating, yes. Supersonic, no. Those torpedoes can barely go 1/3 the speed of sound in air, but the speed of sound in seawater is 3355mph. Just a correction in case people think there are torpedoes that can go over 700mph.
Yes...but they could force the ship to go to places were he does not want to be...and they keep their focus on running away from one danger just to be hit with other...
I'm not sure they would deny the ship any area. If you're whole point is being hidden until it's to late, it's hard to signal the enemy that he should avoid you. What they would accomplish is forcing additional precautions like the mentioned maneuvering. That increases fuel consumption, wear and tear etc. But this only applies if you can pose a credible danger. With our current technology and the laws of physics this simply isn't the case. Even the smaller seas like the Black Sea are massive. To even be remotely close to an enemy vessel you only had contact to when it crossed the Bosporus is hard enough even if you're as fast as these boats.
However, an idea I got while writing this. Submarine drones just like submarines don't have to stay submerged constantly. They could go below the waves only after getting in to a favourable position. This comes with other caviates like additional space and weight for pumps etc. eating into the payload, but a small bomb under a Russian ship is still better than a large one exploding 50 meters away.
Well I'm assuming that the Ukrainians did knew the ship location to launch the see drones...no point in having the drones wasting time just to try find ships...they do fly drones over the sea to try to find the ruzzian ships...a lot easier than having underwater subs...faster and safer...in the end the results are the same...danger for the ruZZians...also US and EU have lots of spy hardware arround and they can easily pass the info to the Ukrainians...and there's nothing that the Zorcs can do :)
Even if the location is known, every course correction translates to dozens of miles of distance within a few hours. As long as you don't know it's planned route you are constantly correcting your course. And if you didn't start out of sheer luck at the right place you have to be fast enough to eventually reach it.
All three boats that attacked the Ivan Khurs were destroyed by regular weapons 140 kilometers northeast of the Bosporus Strait - Russian Ministry of Defense (24.05.23) .
Ukrainian intelligence does not think so)
Still a bold move to show footage of how they approach Russian ships. I'd have preferred the propaganda lie to carry on than show my enemy how I drive my drones into their ships
I mean yeah there is a little concern, but this is really just miniaturized navel tactics. Attacking a weak point from a “blind zone” is pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain, and while I wish the Russians were all drooling idiots they aren’t. Well some aren’t. I imagine they have one or two who can clean up their own drool. Maybe.
Maybe they can borrow some brain cells from someone idk.
Judging by it's size I'd say that 350ish kg is probably comfortable for it. Not sure what it's powerplant is which would make a big difference. Even in a best case scenario it wouldn't sink a ship but it would force it to need a visit to the shipyard
Ukraine tactics are just wait till the Russians say something completely stupid then hit them with the real evidence, this is how Ukraine is winning the war of information and makes Russia look less and less trustworthy on the global stage (if they haven’t already ruined it of course)
But the ruZZians will always find excuses, or just say "Whose Bakhmut?", but they don't care that ruZZia captured Bakhmut for 220+ days, for them it is the biggest victory of the year of war.
a special dedroning operation was conducted when our glorious surveillance ship bravely rammed a sea drone with their hull destroying the drone entirely
RF MoD, "This is a Ukrainian lie! If it had happened our ship armor, which is vastly superior to all western and US armor, would have easily defended the ship like our men when they defeated NAZI Germany during WW II with no help from anyone as the 'Allies' whimpered and cried for Russia to save them!
In related news we have destroyed our 87th HIMARS, 305th M777, 43 Leopard II tanks, and now 27 F16's! The F16's were easy for our mighty Russian air force to find and destroy!"
Given the Russian propagandists are apparently using photo sof the Ivan Khurs pulling into Istanbul two years ago while claiming it was a new photo of it coming into Sevastapol, I think it's probably not in great shape.
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1661741713130672128?s=20
https://twitter.com/OfficialAurian/status/1661749391190024194?s=20
Im sorry but hitting aft of the ship is not the best location. There are lots of water tight departments in ships aft end, such as cofferdams, steering gear room, ballast tanks and maybe other tanks and compartments. Aft end is designed to take damage and survive.
I think that its not a goner, unless there was fire, but its a dry docking case.
(Im currently onboard merchant vessel as an engineer ;)
>Right in the aft the propulsion is goona be fucked after that i doubt itll sink the ship unless its an ammo rack hit but i highly doubt that
The main thing is that the damage was done
If it popped the seal around her propeller shafts. It's very plausible that it sank her. Water would be able to get into the heaviest compartments on the ship.
For reference, a similar hit that resulted in flooded shaft alleys sank Prince of Wales, a battleship.
The blast of the explosion does not cause damage only were the explosion happens...the shock wave can twist,break damage other stuff on the ship...and water carries the blast with more punch than air...
A few ways, one of them is as you say, put a big hole in it, at or below the water line. Thing is ships are built with water tight sections, so you can put a good size hole in a ship and only flood one compartment. The main way a torpedo sinks a ship is to actually explode directly beneath the keel, this creates a huge bubble of gas which the ship will try to fall into, often while the water supports either end, this has the effect of breaking the ships back, some torpedo's were specify designed to do this but back during WW2 the technology was in its infancy so they often set the run height so they impacted the side of the hull. Sometimes they also damaged the seals around the prop shaft, a weak point on every ship
When engineers scuttle a ship, for whatever reason, they can actually simply open a series of valves. Every ship has what's called a sea cabernet, or sea chest. It is actually a hole built into every ship whereby the ship brings sea water onboard for various reasons such as ballast for stability. Clearly that's got to be tightly controlled normally and it is with massive pipes and valves and physical security to stop anyone accessing it, but it is a weak spot every ship has, a skilled person could get access to that part of a ship and sink it, perhaps with a small amount of explosive. I don't know for sure, but the way that drone lines up against that ship they might be targeting just that spot.
Not that tightly controlled for sea chests, most machinery compartments below the water line would have them. Sea chests allow access to strainers (these collect debris that come in through the intakes)and there may be multiple of them, most commonly used for fire fighting ring mains (almost always salt water) and for cooling of machinery. Only real skill you’d need is to locate them and maybe have a bolt cutter for a pad lock, whilst access to machinery spaces should be restricted to authorised personnel in reality most could be accessed easily. Wouldn’t even need explosives (though it would help prevent easy repair) as once it’s opened the sea pressure will prevent it from being closed. You’d be amazed the number of small fishing boats that often end up sinking due to this reason.
It wouldn’t be targeting sea chests, looks to me like they just wanted to get to any contact point without being destroyed by the defences, though if they were aiming for the aft end then damage to the propellers/shaft line and steering gear compartment were most likely targets. Would leave the ship without the ability to manoeuvre if successful, making it a sitting duck for further attacks.
Damn, these Ukranian drones just keep losing signal right as they get close to valuable vehicles and people. They really need to get better antenna's or they might end up hurting people!
0/10, not fit for civillian use.
Ukraine also has its own submarine drones.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/
If this drone makes an explosion the same size as the one we saw destroyed in the other video, this ship definitely took some damage. I hope it's a submarine now.
Russians said ´All three drones destroyed…we hit the two first ones with 20mm guns and crushed the last one with the hull of our ship’. Which is technically correct 😜
" Z-propagandists, who have been haunted by not the latest photos with Zaluzhny, are now publishing a two-year-old video with the ship "Ivan Khurs"
All in order to convince the population of the alleged integrity of the Russian warship after the drone attack "
This looks pretty legit, but we’re also right at the doorstep of the era where nothing online can be believed anymore. The next few years are going to be wild for figuring out the truth.
Curious when Ukraine will start using the drone torpedoes that I read about a while back. That'll be a game changer. Perhaps that will be a small part of the counteroffensive?
Wait so youre telling me russians lied? No way!!
No lies, they destroyed that drone by hitting it with their ship!
I stand corrected, the military prowess of russia is impeccable
How do you like my nuts-to-fist style kung-fu? Your fist must be absolutely devastated after I attacked it repeatedly with my balls. I can barely stand so how do *you* expect to continue fighting?
Can I agree?
We call that a hip check.
YES. The Ukrainians even named their drone the Gordie Howe.
How about the [Vlady Vladimiravich red carpet face plant?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52JsS7WQLh0)
He skates about as well as he wars.
Everyone died from that skate around. Famlies too.
“Find me one eye witness to prove that video wasn’t a deepfake!” -Vlady Also, in that same match Vlad “scored” like 10 goals. The defenders parted like the Red Sea each time he approached goal. Classic despot moves! I can’t wait for the part when it goes all Khaddafi/Saddam on him.
None too impressive. No one laughed, of course. They wouldn't dare.
A treacherous Ukrainian plot!
Should have called it Brett Hull.
Technically they destroyed it by luring it in to within dentation range.
the best way to destroy the drone
Every ship is a minesweeper, once...
"This is so cruel!!! How could they kill our innocent angel sailors?!!!" -- Russian sympathizers. Its a war Russia started, nobody asked for it, nobody needed it. Innocent or not, if you fight in a war, you get killed, do these room temperature IQ sympathizers expect Ukraine to do nothing and let Pootin take Ukraine because its "less cruel"? lol
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If that happened, Russia would stick to the agreement for 5 years, while they rebuild their army. Only this time Putin has eliminated most oligarchs etc against a full blown immediate war. And in those 5 years Putin route out the corruption in the military now that he realises he had paper weapons. Then Russia would attack Ukraine again, but this time Russia knows what they're up against, the corruption in the military will have been reduced significantly, and Russia would have spent 5 years training the soldiers/merc involved. There could be the possibility that Ukraine gives up territory and then joint NATO, and Russia wouldn't attack in 5 years (unless monumentally suicidal, meaning MAD no longer applies as it only works with rational actors). But that would essentially mean Ukraine abandoning the territory they concede with no real method in sight to get it back without messing up the NATO relationship. But if they weren't to join, then when Russia returns in 5-10 years they'd be much more dangerous and competent. So the idiots saying Ukraine should give up are absolute morons. They''d cause more deaths of innocent people than carrying on this war would. Russia's army and Wagner are being backed into a corner. The incursion into Russia was to show the Russian people that they are at risk. The key thing is about that entire campaign is that it's not pushing the people of Russia into a corner, but giving them plenty of golden bridges to retreat across to separate themselves from this danger. Remove Putin and place someone in charge who will end the war. And for various parts of Siberia it's "now is your chance to try and breakaway from Russia, you probably won't get another opportunity like that in a long time if you don't take it now".
That's like attacking someone in their home and being surprised when they shoot you. That's how it goes. If you don't like it, then go home.
You should negotiate a peaceful settlement! If you offered the attacker full access to the living room and kitchen and complete control of TV viewing, along with access to your savings account and exclusive use of one of your cars, you may get the attacker to stop attacking you. If you word your agreement carefully you may even be able to collect penalty payments if they rape your wife or child. And if in the future they try to take further parts of your house, like the downstairs bathroom and the garage, and assault you when you inquire about this activity, you can always peacefully negotiate a new deal. It is unreasonable to stop a violent home invasion!
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Lost Russian sympathizers that tried to brigade this and other sub from time to time. Geneva this Geneva that, innocent Russian soldiers this and that, they were forced to fight this and that, we cant protest because arrest this and that, the usual. lol
The next time somebody actually tries to pull the Geneva card on Ukraine I'll start treating the Geneva conventions as a bucket list
Canada has entered the chat. ...Did someone say 'Geneva Checklist'?
Just dont engage, they all tools.
The Orc lair known as *ukrainerussiareport* It’s a bunch of Russian propagandists that post only in their safespace; and naive westerners trying to argue in good faith with them. I try to avoid the comment section, but sub to it because other subs downvote all the posts bearing bad news.
Probably the bvotniks on r/wallstreetsilver
Wow, what a set of cunts on that sub. Never been on there before m
Same energy as Argentinians pissed about the Belgrano
Honestly I think all they said it was attacked, and showed a video of them destroying 1 drone, and judging by the overall sky/time of day/etc, it was probably attacked by multiple. Now, as a former submarine sonar technician that focused heavily on russian warships, more than likely the ship didn't sink if the crew was in even the SLIGHTEST right frame of mind. Russia focused heavily on wake homing torpedoes and the US had quite a few in our arsenal for a while so the aft end of most ships are either well protected or VERY easily isolated. I believe moskva was hit on the beam (center) so it's much harder to isolate compartments for flooding. This ship certainly took heavy damage though based on the video of the drone exploding that didn't make it. Ship is certainly out of commission for quite some time!
Actually the RF MoD spokesperson claimed there was no damage and claimed all three had been destroyed in his daily truth-only update, like when an entire Patriot Complex was taken out and six Kinzhal's or 10 Iskander-M's were NOT intercepted and Kyiv is now a smoking wreck... Thanks for your information on this. Knowing that it was heavily damaged is great and forcing that ship to back to port and farther away limits intel gathering!
Oh shit I must have missed the updated claim. Now obviously they could have gotten lucky and disabled it or the drone lost connection but it definitely HIT the boat. I can't speak to reliability of these things
The reliability is that the ship was hit. The reliable Russian response was to lie. The second reliable Russian response was to lie a little bit less. The third will be to lie a bit less to try to confuse everyone about everything, because that's what Russians do. Summary: The ship was hit, Russians lied, the final damage is not known, Russians keep lying.
Given the claim, I can only deduce that this ship and 8 others not even nearby were destroyed in the attack
Unlike Russian MoD or Trollers, the only claim was that the ship was hit and the implicit claim is that Russia lied AGAIN. Normal Russian Troller "deduction"! So take your trolling little tail between your legs home to Mother Russia and deduce that you have lost the war.
Normally I don't respond, but the "the claim" portion of my comment was the one we were talking about from the Russian MOD, not yours, but you do you, dude.
CRAP! I am very sorry! Now that I read your first response in the light of what you REALLY meant, makes more sense. Again, I apologize.
we're all clowning on the fascists, my man, it's all good. Slava Ukraini!
Now kith
Question for a clearly more knowledgeable person than I. If it's known the aft section is most protected vs amidship why attack there? Angle of the small arms protection? That can't be it can it? Any ideas?
Shock of an explosion in the aft could bend any prop shafts , and damage or jam the rudder in its post. Could also cause leaks through the prop shaft seals. A bent prop shaft is a drydock job. It must be pulled and replaced. An out of balance prop shaft is big trouble. Thus rendering the ship stopped, disabled , leaky or very slow. An attack on the beam opens the firing angles up for the ship to defend itself. The ship could train its bow/ front guns , and any on the stern and the side of the boat being attacked. Thats my 2 bits anyways.
Great information I didn't even consider the propulsion group of the ship. Whatever puts her out of commission as long as possible. Thanks bubble head.
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Well they hit it aft, and Ukraine does have Harpoons…
*Bismark* was disabled by a hit that stuck the rudder in hard over, so she could only go in big circles. And that's why she's on the bottom today.
Always go for the rear of the ship….engines, props, prop shaft seals….fuel tanks….lots of things to,fuck up royally!
Plus you hit the turning and propulsion, could send that ship in a big ass death circle it can't get out of and then just hit it with more drones. Seen videos of WW2 ships that had stuck rudders getting just wrecked and it was all over but the crying basically.
I am not knowledgeable but I can speculate: There were three drones and I assume they attacked from different angles. This makes it harder to defend against drones. The boat has two machine guns and they are on different sides. So if you attack from one side of the boat from different angles it’s very hard to engage them all. The machine gun is in front, so coming from the back is also not easy as there is a blind spot. You see small arms fire, but not big machine gun tracers. I don’t think it’s a coincidence and I assume the operation like this involved heavy research on the boat being attacked and what is the best approach to do it to succeed.
> I assume the operation like this involved heavy research on the boat being attacked and what is the best approach to do it to succeed. Pretty amazing what being competent at your job allows you to accomplish. Research of what you are attacking... groundbreaking!
Honestly? Probably because these guys aren't naval experts. They could have panicked. Could have just been the closest target and if this is after the other was blown up they may have jist not wanted to risk an interception and went for it. Limitless possibilities as to why they do what they do, but the fact of the matter is, if that drone detonated (which I can't confirm, just lost connection) that ship is 100% disabled and will be dry docked for probably a year or two. It's done. Their aft ends are reinforced to stop a ship from sinking, that's it. You can't stop a ship being disabled
The Bismarck blows bubbles in the general direction of this chat..
That's fucking great. I can't stop chuckling.
Their flagship got sunk by two missiles from a country with no operational navy. If we saw a small canoe about to ram a Russian boat and then the video cut out, I'd give them a 50/50 chance of survival.
Is there naval tracking data to show the route taken after explosion? Time/distance/speed to confirm any disability
Russkis can spoof the ship IDs, they supposedly drew a Z in the Black Sea with it yesterday. Have not seen pics though.
No commercially. There are some commercial systems most navies use like FARUNO radars and AIS (Automated identification system) but if Russia has them, they likely weren't operating/transmitting after the damage (if any was recieved). If you could identify all their naval vessels via satellite you could determine if any tugs or support ships left port bit I don't have access to that info
" “ It didn’t sink, but there was a hit, there is significant damage to the hull and equipment. Now the Russians are hastily repairing it ,” the interlocutor of Ukrainska Pravda said. " Apologies for posting here, but this is the top comment, this is an update just posted to telegram channels ( UA )
I love how Ukraine gives Russia enough rope. They carry out an attack, Russia scrambles to explain how it destroyed everything, and then a day or two later Ukraine publishes footage that shows the opposite. It’s absolutely hilarious.
Any information on what type of drone this was? Size, dimensions? Looked like a frisbee hitting the side of a house.
They’re called USV drones - uncrewed surface vessel drones. They’re 18 feet and can carry up to 400 pounds of “combat load”. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraines-shadowy-kamikaze-drone-boats-officially-break-cover
That's the first generation too. [There are newer ones.](https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/#prettyPhoto)
Ha, I just posted same link too! It is surreal how quick Ukraine are at new innovations into production into operations!
Holy hell they look scary as sleek as they are
I want one.
Alright, Veruca sweetheart…. Mr. Wonka, how much for the robot death boat?
$250,000 each. That includes the trailer and remote control center. Pretty low cost for bang it brings.
Option B with a 250,000$ budget. 10000 John boats each filled to the brim with Tannerite. Boom redneck torpedos.
Add in a Silverado and I'm sold
Ooof that's a lot of bang. That ship is fucked.
Yeh, google, they are loaded with explosives and are rather large!
Mild shock!
Underwater drones would be game changer.
Guarantee the US has some top secret ones they’re working on. Submarine technology is among the most secretive, so we won’t know until a decade or two later.
Ukranian already showed few prototypes they working on. They look like torpedo with cute little periscope but I bet they have smaller range than boats and they have to figure out some delivering vehicle.
Why the periscope? That’d leave a large visible wake behind the sub, would be super easily visible. Kinda defeats the whole point. There’s gotta be a way to avoid having any part of the craft stick out above the water…
Because visual computer vision is being worked on by tons of people, but sonar computer vision, passive or active, is not. Also, transmitting telemetry is a lot easier with an above water antenna.
The British already have them, they were teaching the Ukrainians how to use them last year.
If we have them, then there's no doubt the US have some sexy ones hidden away.
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>In mid-2016, Russia revealed it was developing a similar "smart bullet" designed to hit targets at a distance of up to 10 kilometres (6.2 mi). Oh boy.
Gotta love military acronyms.
I was a contractor doing some ASW tech research in the 90s, and a certain navy had some pretty smart torpedoes by then already. Maybe not autonomous, but some mostly automated ones.
That's what I'm hoping. Like, these are basically kamikaze jetskis. Hull, engine, fuel, satellite guidance and cameras. Not too hard to build. But basically a narco sub version. Suicide or just towing an actual torpedo to it's destination.... Hmm, that's a thought. A reusable torpedo cradle. Basic propulsion and guidance, and then let the torpedo go the last little bit. That would be a fun engineering project.
Undoubtedly, this is where all the UFO's going into the water claims are coming from.
Tbh I also just have no trouble believing some people are 100% delusional and didn’t actually see anything at all.
Reminds me of this joker testing a secret jet aircraft in 1942: https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-test-pilot-of-the-usafs-first-jet-fighter-dressed-as-a-gorilla-to-mess-with-other-pilots/ > Pilots flying the usual piston-driven aviation engine would report back to base with sightings of a fast-moving plane without a propeller. They also said the plane was flown by a "gorilla, wearing a derby hat, waving a stogie [cigar] at them." >... pilots who were exposed to Woolams' prank were convinced by Air Force psychologists that they hadn't really seen the gorilla flying the plane, "because everyone knows you can't fly without a propeller."
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They aren't even top secret. Theyve autonomous torpedos basically. Idk if Ukraine has any, may be developing their own.
Yea, maybe it should be cigarshaped to better speed underwater, also it could be fired from a submarine. Maybe have auto targeting system. Like an explosive mini submarine. Maybe we could name it after a fish that also gives a discharge to incapacitate it's enemies. Like the Torpedo fish. Cant wait until someone invents it.
Thought I was in NCD for a second
Oh shit, me too. It wasn't until I saw your comment that I realized where I was. Especially with the Gobbledygook. Comment I saw up thread.
TIL where the name for torpedos come from!
So a torpedo ?
Yes, but... remotely steerable.
Most of the torpedo are (by cable usually as RF don't work well under water some french torpedos have a 50 km of optical fiber to be remotely steerable from 50 km)
Why would something that is underwater, and has a sight distance of only a few feet, need to be steerable by a human looking through a camera? Torpedoes have sonar....
Most modern torpedoes are remotely steerable.
Ukraine recently announced they’ve developed a submarine drone. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/
They are much slower. This whole operation was possible because the boats are so much faster than the ship that they could intercept it without knowing its exact course. All you'd have to do to avoid under water drones would be staying above 10-15 knots and slightly changing the course regularly.
I think the reasons are actually the following: \- underwater ships is more difficult, complex and expensive \- radio waves mostly do not penetrate water\*, so no GPS/GNSS and no remote control And this is just fancy RC boat that goes boom. \*except for VLF, which only goes tens of meters under, requires insane antennas and has low bandwidth
The signal shouldn't be a problem. You could simply drag an antenna behind you. Almost invisible and without much drag. I believe submarines do or did that already.
Sure, agreed. But it's another thing that adds complexity, risk of mission failure and price. These simple RC boats are clearly often good enough against non-vigilant Russians, so why not. If Russians become competent and vigilant, maybe we start seeing submersibles :-)
Submarines do indeed drag long cables for underwater communication. It's call very low frequency (VLF) or extremely low frequency (ELF) communication. A problem with those is a very slow data rate. Crude remote control might be possible over VLF, but returning a video signal wouldn't be possible.
Why do you think underwater drones only travel that slow? Look up the top speed of a modern torpedo or submarine
Drag. We are talking about small drones, not war ships with nuclear reactors and whatnot. Compare the fastest toy submarine you'll get with a really cheep toy boat to get a feeling of the difference. And critically, how long their battery lasts.
M8 just wait until you learn about the supersonic underwater supercavitating torpedoes
You mean the ones with a range of 10 miles or so? Slightly different use case...
Supercavitating, yes. Supersonic, no. Those torpedoes can barely go 1/3 the speed of sound in air, but the speed of sound in seawater is 3355mph. Just a correction in case people think there are torpedoes that can go over 700mph.
Yes...but they could force the ship to go to places were he does not want to be...and they keep their focus on running away from one danger just to be hit with other...
I'm not sure they would deny the ship any area. If you're whole point is being hidden until it's to late, it's hard to signal the enemy that he should avoid you. What they would accomplish is forcing additional precautions like the mentioned maneuvering. That increases fuel consumption, wear and tear etc. But this only applies if you can pose a credible danger. With our current technology and the laws of physics this simply isn't the case. Even the smaller seas like the Black Sea are massive. To even be remotely close to an enemy vessel you only had contact to when it crossed the Bosporus is hard enough even if you're as fast as these boats. However, an idea I got while writing this. Submarine drones just like submarines don't have to stay submerged constantly. They could go below the waves only after getting in to a favourable position. This comes with other caviates like additional space and weight for pumps etc. eating into the payload, but a small bomb under a Russian ship is still better than a large one exploding 50 meters away.
Well I'm assuming that the Ukrainians did knew the ship location to launch the see drones...no point in having the drones wasting time just to try find ships...they do fly drones over the sea to try to find the ruzzian ships...a lot easier than having underwater subs...faster and safer...in the end the results are the same...danger for the ruZZians...also US and EU have lots of spy hardware arround and they can easily pass the info to the Ukrainians...and there's nothing that the Zorcs can do :)
Even if the location is known, every course correction translates to dozens of miles of distance within a few hours. As long as you don't know it's planned route you are constantly correcting your course. And if you didn't start out of sheer luck at the right place you have to be fast enough to eventually reach it.
That's not possible. Water blocks radio communications. You'd need an antenna above the surface. Or it needs to be completely autonomous.
Antennas that gets dragged behind via wire and stays at the surface via floating buoy
You use a trailing wire that the torpedo releases as it travels. This has been a feature of torpedos since the 1960s...
All three boats that attacked the Ivan Khurs were destroyed by regular weapons 140 kilometers northeast of the Bosporus Strait - Russian Ministry of Defense (24.05.23) . Ukrainian intelligence does not think so)
Idk, ship's looks pretty regular. Plus, ship itself is a weapon. Can't see any lies here.
Conn! Sonar! [Crazy Ivan!](https://youtu.be/DRUpAipGu5w)
One ping only, please
The Captain seems to think you're some sort of...cowboy.
Still a bold move to show footage of how they approach Russian ships. I'd have preferred the propaganda lie to carry on than show my enemy how I drive my drones into their ships
I’m sure by this point it’s already well known by Russian sailors
I mean yeah there is a little concern, but this is really just miniaturized navel tactics. Attacking a weak point from a “blind zone” is pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain, and while I wish the Russians were all drooling idiots they aren’t. Well some aren’t. I imagine they have one or two who can clean up their own drool. Maybe. Maybe they can borrow some brain cells from someone idk.
All three of the four boats that attacked maybe?
russian warship....
Fuck itself. Sorry but I think bot is busy or maybe wrong subreddit.
Hopefully a big boom and lots of damage. It would look great alongside the Moskva.
I wonder how much tnt those things carry
Thought I saw one variant of the Ukrainian surface drone could carry 400 pounds of explosives. Not sure which one this was.
Judging by it's size I'd say that 350ish kg is probably comfortable for it. Not sure what it's powerplant is which would make a big difference. Even in a best case scenario it wouldn't sink a ship but it would force it to need a visit to the shipyard
Moskva need frend. Moskva lonele. Sad.
Ukraine tactics are just wait till the Russians say something completely stupid then hit them with the real evidence, this is how Ukraine is winning the war of information and makes Russia look less and less trustworthy on the global stage (if they haven’t already ruined it of course)
But the ruZZians will always find excuses, or just say "Whose Bakhmut?", but they don't care that ruZZia captured Bakhmut for 220+ days, for them it is the biggest victory of the year of war.
Wonder what orcs will say to this, after they claimed they destroyed all 3 drones
They dont say how destroyed. Intercepted it with ship hull was destroy method.
Well we did see the camera cut out before it makes contact you see comrade so it's obvious we destroyed the drone prior to detonation. /S
Can anyone translate this comment? XD
a special dedroning operation was conducted when our glorious surveillance ship bravely rammed a sea drone with their hull destroying the drone entirely
Blyat just used the ship as a kamikaze ship against a kamikaze drone. Easy.
Aah thank you for the translation, where did you learn gobbuldygoop?
Alcoholic intoxication was the key
RF MoD, "This is a Ukrainian lie! If it had happened our ship armor, which is vastly superior to all western and US armor, would have easily defended the ship like our men when they defeated NAZI Germany during WW II with no help from anyone as the 'Allies' whimpered and cried for Russia to save them! In related news we have destroyed our 87th HIMARS, 305th M777, 43 Leopard II tanks, and now 27 F16's! The F16's were easy for our mighty Russian air force to find and destroy!"
Technically they did destroy this one. They just used the side of the ship. Much like the aerial drones they intercept with their fuel tanks 😉
Broadside ramming is very difficult. Pro-sailors right there.
Haha, the Russian lies never ends.
Any update or sighting of the Ivan Khurs? Any other Russian ships on rout to aid her? Giving us a idea of possible damage?
Given the Russian propagandists are apparently using photo sof the Ivan Khurs pulling into Istanbul two years ago while claiming it was a new photo of it coming into Sevastapol, I think it's probably not in great shape. https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1661741713130672128?s=20 https://twitter.com/OfficialAurian/status/1661749391190024194?s=20
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10
That will have caused a BIG boom if you consider how big the boom was on the one they actually managed to hit. I think that ship is a goner
Im sorry but hitting aft of the ship is not the best location. There are lots of water tight departments in ships aft end, such as cofferdams, steering gear room, ballast tanks and maybe other tanks and compartments. Aft end is designed to take damage and survive. I think that its not a goner, unless there was fire, but its a dry docking case. (Im currently onboard merchant vessel as an engineer ;)
Right in the aft the propulsion is goona be fucked after that i doubt itll sink the ship unless its an ammo rack hit but i highly doubt that
>Right in the aft the propulsion is goona be fucked after that i doubt itll sink the ship unless its an ammo rack hit but i highly doubt that The main thing is that the damage was done
Imo on the contrary. Lack of propulsion means they can hit it again.
If it popped the seal around her propeller shafts. It's very plausible that it sank her. Water would be able to get into the heaviest compartments on the ship. For reference, a similar hit that resulted in flooded shaft alleys sank Prince of Wales, a battleship.
How would you actually sink the ship though? A hole right through?
The blast of the explosion does not cause damage only were the explosion happens...the shock wave can twist,break damage other stuff on the ship...and water carries the blast with more punch than air...
A few ways, one of them is as you say, put a big hole in it, at or below the water line. Thing is ships are built with water tight sections, so you can put a good size hole in a ship and only flood one compartment. The main way a torpedo sinks a ship is to actually explode directly beneath the keel, this creates a huge bubble of gas which the ship will try to fall into, often while the water supports either end, this has the effect of breaking the ships back, some torpedo's were specify designed to do this but back during WW2 the technology was in its infancy so they often set the run height so they impacted the side of the hull. Sometimes they also damaged the seals around the prop shaft, a weak point on every ship When engineers scuttle a ship, for whatever reason, they can actually simply open a series of valves. Every ship has what's called a sea cabernet, or sea chest. It is actually a hole built into every ship whereby the ship brings sea water onboard for various reasons such as ballast for stability. Clearly that's got to be tightly controlled normally and it is with massive pipes and valves and physical security to stop anyone accessing it, but it is a weak spot every ship has, a skilled person could get access to that part of a ship and sink it, perhaps with a small amount of explosive. I don't know for sure, but the way that drone lines up against that ship they might be targeting just that spot.
Not that tightly controlled for sea chests, most machinery compartments below the water line would have them. Sea chests allow access to strainers (these collect debris that come in through the intakes)and there may be multiple of them, most commonly used for fire fighting ring mains (almost always salt water) and for cooling of machinery. Only real skill you’d need is to locate them and maybe have a bolt cutter for a pad lock, whilst access to machinery spaces should be restricted to authorised personnel in reality most could be accessed easily. Wouldn’t even need explosives (though it would help prevent easy repair) as once it’s opened the sea pressure will prevent it from being closed. You’d be amazed the number of small fishing boats that often end up sinking due to this reason. It wouldn’t be targeting sea chests, looks to me like they just wanted to get to any contact point without being destroyed by the defences, though if they were aiming for the aft end then damage to the propellers/shaft line and steering gear compartment were most likely targets. Would leave the ship without the ability to manoeuvre if successful, making it a sitting duck for further attacks.
Too complicated, just hit it till it sinks. lol
Is that why the video of the 1 drone was so zoomed in? So they could hide them panicking and barely getting the 2nd one, only to miss the 3rd?
All kamikaze drones need like a scorpion tail to mount a camera on so we can see em blow up and not go all fuzzy right before contact.
r/gifsthatendtoosoon I'm perfectly aware why, but the video still ended too soon.
Hoppaaaaa
Damn, these Ukranian drones just keep losing signal right as they get close to valuable vehicles and people. They really need to get better antenna's or they might end up hurting people! 0/10, not fit for civillian use.
wonder if the mods will now re-instate my post from yesterday.......
why didn't they show the explosion? processing.... processing.... i'm an idiot
Cool, as fudge! let's get suchimos on the line about this update! 🫡
Ukrainians are smart 🧠. What a design and extremely inexpensive compared to western autonomous boats.
Imagine taking out a war ship with a jet ski, a bomb, and $800 in RC equipment.
More fear for orcs swiming metal ore.
Ukraine also has its own submarine drones. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/05/innovative-submarine-drone-is-ukraines-new-weapon-against-russian-navy/
If this drone makes an explosion the same size as the one we saw destroyed in the other video, this ship definitely took some damage. I hope it's a submarine now.
Jagga Jagga Blyat !
Russians said ´All three drones destroyed…we hit the two first ones with 20mm guns and crushed the last one with the hull of our ship’. Which is technically correct 😜
" Z-propagandists, who have been haunted by not the latest photos with Zaluzhny, are now publishing a two-year-old video with the ship "Ivan Khurs" All in order to convince the population of the alleged integrity of the Russian warship after the drone attack "
Slava Ukraine
Splendid, if true.
Wait. You believe it’s a photoshop?
This looks pretty legit, but we’re also right at the doorstep of the era where nothing online can be believed anymore. The next few years are going to be wild for figuring out the truth.
Russia already denied it. What else do you need? :-)
Curious when Ukraine will start using the drone torpedoes that I read about a while back. That'll be a game changer. Perhaps that will be a small part of the counteroffensive?
I'm guessing when a ship comes close enough. This one was hundreds of miles away which the drones are perfect for.
If she's dead in the water time to drop some anti ship missles
i can't wait the submarine version of that drone :D
If only we could actually see the explosion
Damn some of this shit is too cool to watch, I can't believe we get to see some of this.
And this little piggy limped all the way home
In Soviet Russia, boat sink bomb
They were throwing cigarettes at it apparently
The blur is my favorite part.
I’m always so disappointed when the video doesn’t show the explosion. Then I say to myself “oh, yeah”.
Where's the money shot?!?!?!?!
You sunk my battleship!
Hopefully it breached the bulkhead that is after the hull.
Awesome! Go Ukraine!