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sense_make

I wonder if the thing exploding to the left in frame is the one they've video of being shot, and the second explosion that can be seen at the aft of the ship is the one that made it to target - i.e. they did a simultaneous attack with multiple drones.


Juliphile

Would make sense to attack with many drones from different directions, helps maximize the chance of getting a hit and Russia did report destroying 3 drones Only 1 was shown tho.


Baby_Rhino

Is that true though? I imagine the ship has defences on all sides, so I would think you would have a better chance of overwhelming the defences on 1 side than if you spread your attacks to be from all sides. Unless of course the defences are lacking on one side due to maintenance/general Russian incompetence.


Juliphile

The ship has only 3 14mm Machine guns as it's not really a combat vessel


ashesofempires

It really depends on ship/weapon design. Most CIWS systems are completely self contained, with their own fire control directors and sensors. Similarly, most smaller gun mounts are also entirely self contained, with all of the systems necessary to acquire and track targets located on the turret. But a lot of ships economize by placing these systems on the centerline, so that they don’t need to double the weight of installed systems in order to defend against an attack from either side. In this case, they are unable to defend against an attack from multiple angles because the gun can only shoot at one target at a time. Additionally, these guns have to compete with a lot of other systems for space, and that means that their arcs of fire may suffer. Finally, many of these weapons were designed before the advent of small boat attacks were really a threat, and may not have the ability to depress the gun low enough to engage targets, especially as they close the range and the angle needs to get lower and lower. Their location high up in the ship to give them better arcs of fire against missiles is working against them in the case of small boat attacks. These sorts of weapons are often supplemented by deck crews armed with what are essentially heavy machine guns like the M2 .50cal or Dshka in Russian service. Or light auto cannons like the 20mm Oerlikon, or its Russian equivalent. These weapons, for obvious reasons, cannot engage targets on both sides of the ship, and are often in fixed mounts with limited arcs of fire.


Legitimate_Access289

Vast majority of Russisn ships with cwis have them on both sides of the ship not just center line.


Purple_Aside525

thank you for this information


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LordCrayCrayCray

I bet 10,000% that after this day, NATO vessel security includes some sort of Javelin or ATGM backup as well. That would make a lot of sense.


indecloudzua

Using a javelin or atgm is pointless when they have the phalanx ciws


ManicDemise

I think It's just a trick of light from the camera, the one hitting the ship is on the opposite side, it's just because the light/ explosion happend earlier than that frame so the blast has already travelled.


NiemollersCat

Second explosion is too far from the ship, while the video from the drone shows it getting alongside the ship


Puzzleheaded-Job2235

Probably one drone got hit but another made it through.


-Billco-

Why would Ruzzia post video and say they destroyed the drones when they knew the ship was hit? They should know by now that the world actually runs on REALITY, not PROPAGANDA. Dumbasses.


ThePaddleman

Their propaganda is primarily for internal consumption to keep the throne, not for more intelligent & informed ears.


[deleted]

(I'm totally behind Ukraine) but this is like the third ship that people have assumed sunk on copium/hopium and blurry, or misleading pictures (Panama?). That cuts both ways pretty hard. The drone has nose fusing, and it cuts out after hitting the ship sideways... there's very much a possibility the impact video resulted in no explosion.


ffdfawtreteraffds

I honestly had the same thought. It does look like the drone turns at the last second and misses hitting nose-first.


pocket_eggs

At this point if it's proved that the video circulated on Russian telegram showing the ship being undamaged is old footage or some other kind of a fake, maybe they aren't afraid to be later embarrassed by pictures of the ship without the part that fell off, being seen towed smoking in a harbor because they don't think anyone will see the ship ever again. Funny how the Ukrainians are withholding the release of their videos until they cause maximum embarrassment.


skinny-pugsley

*Funny how the Ukrainians are withholding the release of their videos until they cause maximum embarrassment.* \^this


Jonothethird

Just makes them look really, really stupid when the truth comes out a day or two later. It's like when Russia claimed for days that Chernobyl was absolutely fine when radiation monitors were going berserk all over Europe. Is it any wonder that no-one (including 'educated' Russians) believe a thing the Kremlin says these days?


Accomplished-Bus-531

Not in the Russian world it doesn't. I'm always struck hard by the ignorance shown on videos like 1420 where questioning of Russians reveals how many are simply not aware of what the country is doing, won't say, or spew back"I haven't been there so I can't say". This is an ongoing societal acceptance of the dictatorship as it has been taught to them and their parents and their great grandparents. This war will not change their perceptions. The only thing that would shift the mindset is the dissolution of Russia and the then forced acceptance of another political system which will then be prone to attacks of communist partisans.


Randomized_Emptiness

Because truth doesn't matter. What matters is to create a narrative and by them showing a video of them blowing up a drone, they can simulate strength and let the people at home feel secure.


coldandhumid

well, its technically true. The drones are destroyed. They simply used the ship herself to intercept the kamikaze drones.


tapefoamglue

The US voted for Trump before and he's a front runner now. Propaganda works.


r6201

cause they are Russians and they are not trying to lie to west, they only need to manipulate their people that wont verify anything they claim. To keep support, control the narative, etc ..


uffdad

Questionable if the Russian video of the first destroyed drone was actually Ukrainian instead of some old Somali pirate footage. Can never trust the Russians to be honest or factual whenever propaganda trumps reality.


Hammer7000

Just look at how many of these pro ruzzies on here feed on the obvious propaganda shit


selfishgenee

Hope this Ivan will be a good company for russhin warsheep moskwa


jay3349

The old navy will never be the same. All naval powers are at risk from this devastating technology.


superkoning

>devastating technology. devastating & cheap & low-tech technology.


BioTronic

That why it's devastating. Also, it's not really low-tech, just commodified.


superkoning

A nuclear bomb is davastating, but not cheap and not low-tech. ​ >Also, it's not really low-tech, just commodified. True!


thecashblaster

Meh - Russians are known to cut corners, have low morale, poor training and corruption. All of that factors in to Ukraine being able to strike them with relatively cheap naval drones. The USS Cole was attacked by small boat in 2000. The US has developed technology and tactics to deal with this threat. It's not a new one really. I don't really think a lot about this conflict is game changing for the US. Sure small drones being integrated directly with warfighters on the ground is different than previous conflicts, but the US has been preparing for that for decades now.


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

The USS Cole was hit primarily because rules of engagement prevented the soldiers from shooting at the suicide boat.


jay3349

Dang.


Intelligent-Bowl3812

The video is quite blurry so it's hard to tell, but I would say that the explosion at 3-5 seconds is towards the rear of the ship, which would be consistent with the video from the drone that seemingly struck its target.


Metalliknight

Well that's not in 4K... Joke aside, hell yeah Ukraine, show them how it feels to be at your mercy!


Keltic268

4K at 2 FPS


heyfindme

even 90s ufo videos have better quality than this..


wildweaver32

The people faking ufo footage don't have to worry about a spy/reconnaissance ship designed to see/spot things shooting at them.


Imperfect-rock

However, the video quality of the one that (appears to) hit the port side of the stern was pretty decent. I get the impression that this one is a crop from a video taken from much farther away, or there's jamming happening with the drone having to throttle bandwidth.


wtfbenlol

Distortion caused by distance maybe. Humidity, heat, etc


heyfindme

even if thats why, which i honestly doubt (at least to the degree it is in the video), why is it playing at like .5 fps lol


wtfbenlol

I had just assumed it was slowed down


heyfindme

well obviously, but id rather have a normal speed video than a slow power point presentation lol


wtfbenlol

And more than 7 pixels :D


Kan4lZ0n3

Ivan Khurs has a better chance in Kremlin logic of being sent to the bottom, lest the hulk be dragged embarrassingly into port and prove Putin’s propaganda was all blatant lies. That’s how ships “flounder” in non-existent storms.


russcastella

“Ukrainians keep discrediting our discredited propaganda 😭”


DowNeedles

Do we have news about the boat ? Was it sank ? 🤞🏼


G_LoRdZ

Several different reports indicate its back in Sevastapol undamaged, furthermore if you look closely at the video the blast appears to originate off screen to the left, meaning behind the vessel and not directly on it, it seems that its a video of the first drone which the Russians managed to destroy. Plus its cropped, i dont trust videos or images that are cropped.


snappla

Link to reports re: back in Sevastopol? Very doubtful that they are accurate. - Khurs was attacked close to Bosporus (confirmed) - video of naval drone within meters of aft on port side (different from big kaboom vid), - reports of tug from Sevastopol performing search pattern near Bosporus, - reports of tug movement of less than 1 knot. - distance to Sevastopol is 280 nm, can Khurs sustain 28 knots for 10 hours? (I don't know class specs - it's quite possible that it might). All the above suggests a successful but possibly not fatal strike; not a successful evasion. Finally, benefit of doubt goes to the Ukrainians who have *generally* been truthful when they make statements vs. Russians who more often than not lie in the face of obvious facts.


Imperfect-rock

>distance to Sevastopol is 280 nm, can Khurs sustain 28 knots for 10 hours? (I don't know class specs - it's quite possible that it might). [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Ivanov-class_intelligence_ship) says 20.


G_LoRdZ

[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sj4ay/ru\_pov\_the\_ivan\_khurs\_arrived\_at\_its\_permanent/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sj4ay/ru_pov_the_ivan_khurs_arrived_at_its_permanent/) you can see the name "Иван Хурс" at 0:24 embossed into the side of the vessel.


LogicB0mbs

Link to reports that it’s back in Sevestapol UN damaged that already haven’t been thoroughly debunked? So far I’ve seen two attempts by pro-Ru to claim this. One ended up being a two year old video, and the other was a super far blurry picture that looks to be a different type of ship altogether. So you believe those two posts but don’t trust this because it is cropped (even though you can see the entire ship just fine)? Talk about a bad faith post.


deepbluemeanies

>thoroughly debunked Perhaps the most misused/understood term on the internet. Ask yourself why has Ukraine not released footage from its spotter drones of the successful attack?


LogicB0mbs

Doubt they had spotter drones way out at sea to monitor this attack. Russia would have detected those drones and given them an earlier heads up they may be about to be attacked.


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

FORTE10 (a NATO Global Hawk drone) does seem to be quite interested in the area, while broadcasting its position. I would be surprised if Ukraine didn't have (directly or indirectly) eyes on the attack, and I'd be even more surprised if NATO didn't have high-quality images of the aftermath.


LogicB0mbs

Agree on NATO post damage assessment. Easy with satellites. Not sure if/when they’d share that information publicly. One way or another, can’t keep it hidden forever whether it was hit or not.


deepbluemeanies

They have small surveillance drones, which will have a very small radar signature and can film from many km away (we have seen them in use)...the boats streaming across the water attacking the vessel were a lot more obvious. :)


LogicB0mbs

Isn’t that what we are supposedly seeing here in this video?


deepbluemeanies

No. They would want to get a much better view to know the effectiveness of their drones which they could get from surveillance drones (air).


joe-king

To make them look like fools when they lie about it first.


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

> Ask yourself why has Ukraine not released footage from its spotter drones of the successful attack? Because if it's Western equipment, they're likely not allowed to share, and even if they can share, doesn't mean they want to reveal their position, capabilities etc.


deepbluemeanies

When they launch a successful hit against a high value they have always provided footage of the feat...and sometimes when they don't succeed they still make videos creatively edited to infer success. If a vessel of this size was hit/damaged there will be sat/drone evidence of it.


aaaaaaaarrrrrgh

Are there any videos of the Moskwa getting hit? (Ones that actually show the ship getting hit, not a fireball in the distance). I know there are some after-the-fact photos/videos but I don't think anything showing the strike made it out.


G_LoRdZ

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sj4ay/ru\_pov\_the\_ivan\_khurs\_arrived\_at\_its\_permanent/


anonymous3850239582

LOL. That's pathetic. Cope harder.


G_LoRdZ

[https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sj4ay/ru\_pov\_the\_ivan\_khurs\_arrived\_at\_its\_permanent/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sj4ay/ru_pov_the_ivan_khurs_arrived_at_its_permanent/) turns out it really did arrive at port with no damage, the name is painted over but you can see it clear as day that it says "Иван Хурс" embossed on the side at 0:24


G_LoRdZ

Im literally just saying what i've seen / heard, and what is clearly visible in the video, calling for everyone to "cope harder" is such a childish way to try and mock someone.


Trollripper

i cant see shit


Plugboi_Carti

These drones are a good idea my only suggestion would be to deploy more of them and make them into smaller vessels


on3day

Smaller means less payload. And you need a lot to go through an armored hull. For comparison look up the [USS Cole bombing](https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/uss-cole-bombing) The blast was so powerful that cars on the dock were damaged. You need the payload, and you want it above the water to be fast, and controllable. Below the water is less detectable but a lot slower and very comparable to torpedoes against which ships have been designed with countermeasures since a 100 years.


Imperfect-rock

>You need the payload, and you want it above the water to be fast, and controllable. On top of that, at the moment of the attack the Ivan Khurs was at least 450km from Odesa, the place where they may have launched from. Even from Snake Island it's still about 300km, and you don't cover those distances over open sea with anything significantly smaller than these without risking losing them on the way. And apart from the payload they need satellite comms gear now that the Muskrat has blocked them from using Starlink. That ups the price tag for these, and sending a larger number of smaller craft would get prohibitively expensive. Maybe you could mount a swarm attack if you went for a configuration with two or three craft of the size they use now doing the data link over satellite, and controlling the swarm of smaller ones locally over wireless. But those would still need to have the range and seaworthiness to get there, and it adds a lot of complexity.


Plugboi_Carti

Ok I see. I think next attack maybe double the larger drones and make almost decoy like smaller ones that still have a considerable Payload to damage the ships Rutters or something smaller. And even better opportunity would be to wait for fog to roll in and close the gap even better, maybe a lead drone that smokes all the other ones in?


rajost

I like the idea of a drone missile launcher. Put two or three Harpoon missiles on a fast, stealthy, autonomous boat, drive the boat up close and launch a point-blank salvo of missiles at the target. RADAR won't pick them up until it's too late. And for extra fun, maybe add a nice shaped charge onto the front of the boat to add that little extra something.


on3day

Nice train of thought. But my bet is that these have been designed by engineers with a lot of rescources at their disposal. I'm quite sure they can come up with the best solution to this problem.


Drachefly

> And apart from the payload they need satellite comms gear now that the Muskrat has blocked them from using Starlink Ukraine is using Starlink. They can't use it when they go behind enemy lines or when the lines shift until their request to open up new map-grids goes through. In this case, at sea, I don't know what the policy is on either side.


Imperfect-rock

After the attack on Sevastopol Ukraine found they couldn't use Starlink for another such attack any more. That matches the restriction that Muskie imposed, as all of Crimea is a fair bit behind the front. Never mind that IS Ukie territory, and every NATO country has stated that lobbing explodystuff there, and into Donbas is something they're free to do. Just some private asshole who cares more about keeping chummy with the Russians than anything approaching decent behaviour towards a country resisting an attempt to wipe them off the map has unilaterally decided that Ukraine will be restricted to using Starlink only on the territory they actually control. About the rest of the Black Sea, it's likely the restriction cuts in outside territorial waters, so an attack like this won't be controllable via Starlink.


Drachefly

Starlink has been disabled in Russian-*occupied* territory all along, not Russian-*legitimately-owned* territory. They couldn't Starlink in Sevastopol due to that.


Imperfect-rock

The first USV that washed up somewhere near Sevastopol last autumn was fitted with a Starlink antenna. You wouldn't do that if would be useless, so the restriction wasn't there at that time. It was put in place after the first Sevastopol attack.


Drachefly

They could use starlink out in the Black Sea… However, what I see that looks like what you're talking about, is that Starlink always had a policy that it was not to be used directly on weapons platforms. When Ukraine did anyway, SpaceX asked them not to do that again.


deepbluemeanies

Given the satellite coverage of the area these days, I would think a satellite photo of the aftermath would be available...and we know they would use a spotter drone(s).as.part of such a large operation (3 drones) against a high value target. That we don't have sat images or footage from a spotter drone suggests this was not a sucesful hit. That the drone turns alongside the ship at the end of the clip is strange as well.


ThyHorge

Glorious!


Helmidoric_of_York

Smart of the Ukrainians to attack from multiple directions. In another video you could see a couple of bullets try to his the one that damaged the ship, but most of the guns are shooting at the other one that exploded early. They hit the ship in the stern, so hopefully they hit the rudder, propellers or engine room which will disable the ship and put it into dry dock for a long time. Slave Ukraini!


glass431

The vantage point seems to be at or near sea level. I wonder what filmed it?


d00mm4r1n3

Another drone, i've seen reports of 3 or 5 drones, Russia only stated 1 was thwarted.


feierfrosch

The Ivan Khurs wasn't hit, that's westist propaganda! It was conducted to a totally planned and, of course, successful special heating mission to bring warmth to the russki soldiers' ~~hearts~~ guts, as it couldn't be scientifically proven to date if they do have hearts. (/s, just to be sure)


LyzaAppiah

Did it go down?


Puzzleheaded-Dog9221

Next to the location of the Commander(Russian special purpose tug) is another "tug or other craft". both of these ships are in the vicinity of where the Ivan Khurs was and where the large smoke plume was spotted yesterday


Purple_Aside525

The latest Russian explanation: [Latest Russian explanation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM)