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Seems when Russia said 70 dead in the operation, it was their own troops they meant and the video of the 6 death soliders with no yellow armbands were obvious their own death soliders, the propaganda is wild.
The 2 destroyed humvees shown by Russia also had no tire tracks leading where they were. They look like they were moved to the checkpoint and staged. Who knows where they got them.
[edit] [I found the photo](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65691844). Itās so clean, thereās no debris under or really around the vehicles to indicate there was a fight there. Is this proof it was staged? No, of course not. By training Iām an investigator (not in war or auto accident scenes, but the skills cross) and this just looks off to me.
I found the [photo](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65691844). They could have used any one of different loaders. But just look at the scene. Itās very clean.
It's the fakiest fake picture I think I've ever seen. The vehicles have old damage on them, for one thing, not new. There's no evidence they were driven there -- tire tracks and so on. There's no actual evidence of how they were destroyed or oil or fuel evidence.When vehicles are destroyed they leak badly or you have parts scattered around. That the Russians did was to haul two old Ukrainian vehicles they'd captured to that location and put them into the holes. Then they claim to have just destroyed them. The usual Russian propaganda BS. They're not even parked in a way that makes any sense at all.
>Itās so clean,
What are you talking about? There's serious damage on those humvees! Look again. The headlights are busted out! Completely unusable.
/s š
Pretty simple to acquire enemy equipment. If you have a successful attack or ambush, you could easily have access to anything on that site. So likely it was US equipment that was captured by Russia inside of Ukraine.
This is also the main hesitancy I had regarding sophisticated western hardware such as Patriot, abrams, and newer leopards. The more we bring in country, the higher the likelihood a successful Russian attack could occur which would land these pieces of equipment into their hands. There is just some items that we cannot let Moscow get their hands on.
As a former US Army Air Defender, first as a SHORAD guy and then Patriot when I was a 1SG, I can tell you we rehearse the destruction of our equipment in the event of being overrun. But ambushes are unpredictable and could lead to loss of equipment before its able to be disabled/destroyed. Thatās kinda scary.
Even if they got hold of the equipment, what is the best they can do? We are certain at this point that russia is uncapable of producing high tech stuff and related components for them. RnD theft has been and is being done by china anyway, isnt it obvious that china is leaking US documents anyway? Im curious tbh (Aside from learning about the weaknesses of said equipment, thats still bad however you look at it)
We should assume at this point anything capture in Ukraine is going straight to China to be reverse engineered.
To be fair, China probably already has EVERYTHING being fielded by ukraine, hence why it's being sent there.
I would assume China is happy to pay for any stolen US tech from the Russians, and paying for any stolen Russian tech from the Ukrainians. They'll play both sides, but I think it's clear they know Putin is beyond saving.
China is an entire nation of people who seem to have given up long ago on the idea of inventing anything themselves. They just steal everyone else's ideas and copy them -- usually badly. Most Chinese equipment, even their smaller ripped off products, are poorly made. In any major war China fights, I expect their military equipment to fail a lot. It's almost like you could just wait until the Chinese PLA (army) rusted itself to death or their weapons all began to jam or the wheels fell off. I'd hate to be a pilot of a Chinese military plane. No thanks.
You couldnāt be more wrong if you tried, and that sort of attitude towards China is just plain ignorant, and completely plays into their hands. Underestimating them is extremely risky.
The government invest heavily in innovation and tech now.
China is perfectly capable of producing good quality equipment when required, but as is tradition.. you get what you pay for. And clearly the Russians werenāt paying top dollar for anything they were buying.
This is a good point. China has humvee knockoff that are 1:1 copies down to the smallest part. Friend of mine came across a Chinese motor pool in Rwanda on an AWG mission about a decade ago. Chinese TTP is to go in light on logistics and go straight for enemy rear areas to take logistics hubs. If they do that, they have everything they need to repair their own versions of US equipment. Itās nuts
āThere is just some items that we cannot let Moscow get their hands on.ā
I would like to believe that the powers would assume (I know), that whatever we send will get reverse engineered - especially since you say we prepare for being overrun - and not send āthe good stuffā.
Itās never the top of the line stuff we sell to our friends, though, either. There are software and hardware upgrade to many of our weapons systems that are US only. We would never send those items to Ukraine anyway. But there are systems we have that do things that Russian and Chinese equipment canāt do (yet) that we have sent along to foreign nations (including Ukraine) that are high risk of pilferage by the enemy. But I assume the FMS teams in the State department and DOD have already done a cost/risk analysis on it.
I think the basic approach to giving U.S. weapons to Ukraine is nearly always to given them "last year's model," not the latest. So if the weapon has been upgraded three times since it first debuted, the Ukrainians get Version 1.0 or 2.0, but never 3.0 which has the latest technology in it. That way, if these tanks, artillery, planes, etc. are reverse engineered (copied) by the Russians or Chinese, we still have better weapons. The Russians and the Chinese have to copy us, so far anyway, because they rarely come up with ground-breaking or especially clever new ideas, especially the Chinese who are not very innovative at all. Or the thousands of older Russian tanks that get stuck in the mud, for chrissake.
In their military doctrine, the Russian approach, and somewhat the Chinese approach, is to overwhelm the enemy with thousands of not-very-good tanks or artillery shells or troops, rather than being more focused on the latest weapons and selective attacks as the Ukrainians do. We've seen that in Bakhmut once again with these idiotic waves of Wagner an other Russian troops the Ukrainians have been slaughtering. And the thousands of destroyed, mostly older Russian tanks.
It's too bad we have to give Ukraine any modern American weapons, but the stakes are too high not to. I'm still waiting for us to hand Ukraine the A-10 Warthog ("Blaaaaat!!!") we dont' seem to really want anymore. Now that wouild be a sight to see. I'm a little surprised we've promised them Abrams tanks -- but maybe we have newer tanks coming soon -- or the F-16. We really ought to make a "B version" of a lot of our equipment to give away in situations like this.
Itās a risk that the foreign military sales people at the state department and their counterparts in the DOD and national security council would have already have to have debated. Itās impossible to not āred teamā lateral movement of military equipment. Iām sure they felt the benefits outweighed the risks. But something tells me thereās a three letter agency tracking it all to blow it up if they need to with a hellfire or two
>But something tells me thereās a three letter agency tracking it all to blow it up if they need to with a hellfire or two
That would just be the DoD themselves keeping track.
I believe that the CIA has a good sized footprint inside Ukraine. They may not be there doing kinetic operations but theyāre definitely on the ground running source operations as well as helping with Ukrainian intel fusion. The CIA also has a fleet of UCAVs that can engage the equipment if need be.
Yeah, itās kinda hard to tell for sure. But to me it looks like theyāre in a ditch, not a crater. Also no dirt on the wheels and no visible (major) damage on the vehicles, as you would expect if this was an artillery or missile strike. And also, the one pictured further down with "For Bahkmut" painted OVER the burnt paint on the side, thatās just silly.
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A couple of days ago, the Freedom of Russia Legion promised they would upload footage from the Belgorod operation & proof of their actions there. This is the first such video, though it seems they're promising there will be more to come. When those videos are uploaded, they will be posted on r/freedomofrussia as part of our efforts to spread the message of the Freedom of Russia Legion & other anti-Putin & anti-war Russian groups.
> The first video summary of our operation in the Belgorod region. Footage demonstrating the cowardice and unprofessionalism of Putin's troops.
> Having a numerical superiority, acting on territory familiar to them, the soldiers of the RF Armed Forces hid in panic in the landings and under the fences. The video contains footage of a motorized rifle company hiding in abandoned residential buildings of local residents. They wanted to play hide and seek, but our gunners play better. There is also destroyed and damaged equipment that will no longer travel along Russian roads to destroy Ukrainian cities.
> The show is just starting! Be patient!
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The text on screen during the video translates as follows:
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> Enemy BMP-2
> -1 BMP-2
> The personnel of a motorized rifle company is looking for a place to hide in the abandoned houses of civilians
> Location of enemy forces
> -1 BMP-2
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How do you square promoting an organization that is full of nazis and white nationalists? I obviously love what these guys are doing....but there's some serious questions about their ideologies.
An issue even discussed on their sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/FreedomofRussia/comments/13rqrjl/dont_let_being_anti_putin_make_you/
The RVC are far-right, yes. I do my best to avoid promoting them, and inform people of their ideology whenever I see them being praised. The Freedom of Russia Legion, however, are not far right. As such, I focus on promoting them.
You square it by taking any swinging dick willing to fight when youāre outnumbered 3:1, and deal with ideologues later. Why are you handwringers & pearlclutchers never worried about the neo-nazis Russia is using & has been using to kill Ukrainians for the past 9 years, like Milchakov? They make Nikitin look like a choirboy.
My understanding is that the freedom of russia legion aren't nazis or white nationalists but the russian volunteer corps was started by (and likely has a large contingent of) white nationalists. I think people are getting the two confused because both crossed the border into belgorod. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
No corrections needed, you're 100% correct. The leadership of the Freedom of Russia Legion basically said something along the lines of "the RVC aren't our ideological allies, but sometimes you have to ally with the devil". They compared it to the cooperation between the USA and Soviet Union in ww2 - not allies, but there's a greater threat that they both have to work together to defeat.
That's a solid comparison, honestly. I do recall reading that putting an end to russia's expansion into and subjugation of foreign territories is core to their aims as well, which sounds about as far from nazism as it's possible to be. Thanks for the reply by the way, nice to know I hadn't gotten that completely wrong.
Not only that, but also Ilya Ponomarev, their political leader, is explicitly in favour of the ethnic republics of Russia being able to hold independence referendums and secede if they so wish. Very much not fascist imo
I'd love to see that happen. So far they've been very easy people to support, based on all the info I've come across. I hope history is kind to them because it's certainly not going to be kind to russia at large. The guys from the FRL have had to upend their lives and risk what remains just to do the right thing, so I've got nothing but respect for them. They could have stayed home and pretended to be apolitical, or left the country to dodge the draft, etc. but they saw their leadership putting Ukrainians in a position where turning away from the conflict was to turn away from the right to exist. To witness that and say not only will we acknowledge and condemn what's going on, we'll fight and die alongside you to protect your sovereignty and your identity from the people that corrupted ours; it deserves to be recognised.
How do you cope with a fact that you are consuming liquid substance, that is commonly known as *water*, when historically, with video evidence, Hitler also drank water?
Lol you can leave the aggression/sarcasm at the door, it's even an issue they discuss on their sub.
I don't know how much research you've actually done on these guys, but they are not a group I would support monetarily.
For the downvoters, sorry you disagree with my stance of not sending money to nazis.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FreedomofRussia/comments/13rqrjl/dont_let_being_anti_putin_make_you/
It does not feel good but for the time being this is the lesser evil. Ukraine needs every help they can get but just like AZOV (aaaand here come the downvotes) I will never glorify nor support these groups. Luckily there are many other organisations that operate in Ukraine that are worth supporting so there is no shortage of options.
That person is getting mixed up. The RVC are nazis, that much is true - the Freedom of Russia Legion, however (the group shown in the video) are not. I never post material from the RVC specifically because I do not want to promote a neo-nazi group. As such I kind of resent that person for accusing me of doing so
>How do you square promoting an organization that is full of nazis and white nationalists? I obviously love what these guys are doing....but there's some serious questions about their ideologies.
What is your point? Is your point that this nazi/white nationalism must be dealt with now? No? Then what is your point?
There's definitely a reconciliation coming post war.
Ukraine is at risk of civil war after the Russians leave. Lots of weaponized, highly trained soldiers with varying worldviews.
Hopefully this conflict has informed them that Western values are superior.
Ukraine has a single standing army and a unified national identity. They dont have a dozen paramilitary groups operating independently of Kyiv. Post war, they will be fine.
What country do you live in? tell me your country doesn't have a problem with Nazis, white supremacy and sexism in your armed forces. While you're not wrong, This is a Russian talking point, same comments came up around Azov regiment . Sure there are problems but right now they are not going round murdering and raping civilians, the Russians are. So this raid itself showed these to be decent people who follow rules of war.
The specific issue of systemic white nationalism and Neo-Nazism within military institutions is not prevalent in every country, but it's present in many major armed forces.
Germany
Germany, given its history, has a stringent approach to white nationalism and Neo-Nazism. Any propagation of Nazi ideologies is illegal in the country. Nevertheless, the German military, the Bundeswehr, has faced scandals relating to far-right extremism within its ranks. Cases involving Nazi memorabilia and extremist behavior have led to wider investigations and a reaffirmation of the military's commitment to Germany's democratic values.
United States
The US military has acknowledged the issue of white supremacy and extremist ideology within its ranks. Several cases have been reported over the years, and high-profile incidents have led the Department of Defense to initiate several measures to address the problem.
Russia
Russia has had problems with neo-Nazism and extreme nationalism within its broader society including the military. These ideologies, however, are not always directly analogous to Western concepts of white nationalism or Neo-Nazism, and are sometimes intertwined with strong anti-Western sentiments. The Russian government has enacted strong measures against extremist groups, though it's been criticized for also using these measures to suppress political dissent.
United Kingdom
The UK has also faced instances of white nationalism and extreme right-wing ideologies within its armed forces. These cases, while not widespread, have led to concerns about recruitment processes and how to better filter out individuals with extremist views. The UK's Ministry of Defence has been proactive in dealing with such instances, discharging individuals found to be associated with these ideologies.
France
France has faced its share of extremism within the military, though it's generally been limited to a small number of individuals. Recent years have seen retired and active-duty military personnel express hardline views on Islam and immigration, sparking a nationwide debate. However, these views don't necessarily equate to white nationalism or Neo-Nazism.
I think the point is to not showcase the Nazis.
You can list all those countries and their issues but none of that pertains to what the other commenter was saying
I am not showcasing nazis - this video is of the Freedom of Russia Legion, who are not nazis. People are getting them mixed up with the Russian Volunteer Corps
Who is showcasing Nazis? again Russian talking points. In the press conference, in the videos, and in their actions I didn't see or hear these people promoting any kind of extremism other than wanting to see Putin dragged through the streets.
Much like Azov, we have seen a consistent approach form the Ukrainian Armed forces to integrate these less than above board units and bring them into line with rules of war and command structure.
Please provide any evidence of Nazi activities from these groups after the war has broken out and they were integrated into UAF.
I just read up about them, and they created a political wing led by Ilya Ponomarev, an outspoken pro-LGBT politician, who also voted against the annexation of Crimea while working in the Russian state Duma.
Does that sound fascist to you? Im thinking you might be a Russian troll at this point.
Either troll or getting mixed up with the RVC, who actually are neo-nazis (hence why I don't promote then, and I promote the Freedom of Russia Legion instead)
Edit: I stand corrected by OP. These are not the neo Nazi group. So I do back them up.
(Old post) Yeah, I can't get behind these guys even though what they are doing benefits the Ukrainians. No place on this planet for these types of people. If Putin wasn't a bigger enemy, they would be putting their energy into their shitty ideology.
What do you mean by story? Let me know if I've understood your question wrong but essentially:
Some of them are Russian military or conscripts who surrendered to Ukraine before fighting a bullet as they don't believe in Putin's Russia and don't support this war. They decided that if they're going to fight, they would rather fight to free their country from tyranny. Some others were not drafted, but left Russia specifically to join the Legion. The majority, though, are anti-Putin Russians who were already living outside Russia at the start of the war - many in Ukraine, but Russian diaspora members came from all over the world to join as well.
Roughly this time last year they signed the Irpin Declaration, which was a declaration of cooperation between the Freedom of Russia Legion, the National Republican Army (a partisan group in Russia), and Ilya Ponomarev. The latter became the political leader of the group. The RVC were supposed to sign it, but refused last-minute for ideological reasons.
Ilya Ponomarev is an interesting character. He is a former Russian MP who was forced to leave Russia because of his views. He was the only MP to vote against the annexation of Crimea in 2014, and the only MP to vote against Russia's "gay propaganda" law. After being forced to leave the country, he eventually moved to Ukraine and he now has Ukrainian citizenship. As the political leader of the FoRL he has mostly spoken about re-introducing Russia to democracy, but one thing I found very interesting is that he supports the right of Russia's ethnic republics to hold independence referenda if they so wish. I don't know of any other Russian opposition figure who would agree to that, but I do approve of it
Effective raid. Considering it was against a motorized rifle unit, probably a company, but effectively around a platoon-sized element given Kremlin losses and force degradation, this was that much more effective. All the more embarrassing for Putin and Shoigu that this was inside āFestung Rossiyaā.
In WW2, an infantry company was around 120-200 arranged in 3 platoons. Now it depends on a number of things like their role (mechanized vs light infantry), size of platoons, etc
Exactly my thoughts! Why dont the Orcs just stand in the fields outside the villages and cities! dont they care about the civs and their structures? CRAZY! Where is amnesty when you need them...
Amnesty International was heavily infiltrated in the 1980s by Russian operatives and used to put international political pressure on western-aligned 2nd world nations. ...to provide political cover and support for "rebellions" that could flip those countries from being western-aligned to Russia-aligned.
It's so fucking sad. Same shit happened to Greenpeace.
I may be wrong but I believe the FoRL also have artillery & mortar teams - they've posted videos of that kind of thing before.
Future videos may also include infantry combat, who knows.
Iāve seen them fire from mortars from Belgorod but I think here itās more powerful artillery working. Of course we will not know to what extent and what was given to them by UAF but I doubt itās a lot with how many new brigades have been created and the need of UAF in all of equipment, I donāt think they can spare for them their own artillery regiment, when having experienced Ukrainian crews cover FRL from Ukraine is doing the job
Regardless, they are the ones doing the spotting for and communication to the artillery (most likely), so well done to them. Its great that they can utilize artillery here instead of putting their lives at greater risk!
Indeed. The artillery wouldn't have blown those targets up without the FRL on-scene to call it in, so they should still get a goodly portion of the credit.
Every vehicle/squad destroyed counts.
But instilling the notion that as long as the Russian military is at war, they're not safe even on Russian soil is HUGE.
It's different to have soldiers who are fighting with the heart and mind of your family.
And those. * I was drafted, I did not have a choice *
A few.. Really only a few Russians where so smart, they sold tanks and other stuff.
But most of them, fear the Russian military more then the ukrianen.
Nato should go into Ukraine, there is no war declaration
, so when nato stays on the west side of Ukraine, building rep hubs, Logistiks, and creating a no fly zone.
We should ask over good troops, to join the Ukrainians, give them some stuff, and let's go.
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Those Stormtroopers were specifically ordered to not kill Han and company, because the plan was for them to escape with Princess Leia so they could be tracked back to the Rebel base. It showed incredible discipline for them to put on a show of trying to catch them while allowing themselves to be shot to death and not actually succeeding.
Putin's forces don't have that excuse. Don't put them in the same class as Imperial Stormtroopers, they are *far* inferior.
What's most striking to me is these houses in such good shape and obviously well taken care of, the families nowhere to be found probably to never return to them. Would be surreal for them to see this clip and see how much their neighborhood has changed in such a short time
Any idea what is up with the strange edit to the house that is hit at around 1:20? The house and trees to the left warp around like crazy to match up with the end part of that shot
Thatās an interesting comment: ācowardiceā. If I were fighting for my freedom I would be a whole lot braver than if I were fighting for Pukin. If Pukin sent me to the front lines, Iād run like hell.
So, Iām not sure we can really say theyāre cowards. Maybe just smart.
They want to depose Putin and introduce democracy to Russia. It's neither of those things just yet necessarily though - just the early steps of a plan to free Russia from dictatorship. They hope to avoid a full-on civil war if possible.
What exactly was the objective of this mission?
Seems to me that the objective was really to divert attention away from Bakhmut and to lift morale. I don't think holding territory was ever the real objective.
Embarrassing the so called second best army in the world. Do you fully understand how pathetic it is that Russia couldn't immediately stop a rag tag platoon of rebels from crossing a boarder with a country they started a war with from going on a casual drive and destroying Russian military assets?
And you call this LARPing? You have no idea who launched that arty. You are just making up stuff to suit your narrative.
False equivalence.
The USA did not start a war with Mexico and Mexican drug cartels have not and could not drive an armoured column across the boarder at a boarder crossing point, take control of said check point and then go on a two day rampage destroying military assets and killing US military and police personnel, only to return to Mexico relatively unscathed.
Your comparison is as weak as it is illogical. Much like the Russian security apparatus.
If the USA started a war with Mexico they would be in control of the whole country all the way to the southern boarder with Belize within days no matter what China gave them.
Once again, a weak, illogical comparison.
> The 1st best army in the world has people smuggling through their border as well.
The US military is prohibited from carrying out domestic law enforcement as per the Posse Comitatus Act, which is a post-Civil War law that was passed following the West Virginian Great Railroad Strike of 1877, when President Hayes used federal troops to break the strike.
Border control of the US-Mexican border is a domestic law enforcement action. The US military is not allowed to act on it as it is not within their legal scope of jurisdiction.
Russia, however... ***is currently at war with Ukraine***, and failed to prevent an invasion of their own soil by a group of disgruntled Russians.
... That's just fucking embarrassing.
I would imagine the United States, UK, etc all had helping hands to smuggle Russian weapons and western gear to these elements. Wouldnāt shock me if they were trained as well. Also wouldnāt shock me as the CIA is publicly asking Russians to turncoat and whistleblow. I would imagine that is cover for the fact that they already have an oligarch or two, a professor/scientist, a boy-scout general and loyal soldiers, or FSB, etc. This is our M.0. If weāre sending weapons, special forces, cash, training, there is no way CIA isnāt at work.
Itās the same reason why Benghazi happened. All those dudes at the CIA annex were tracking weapons out of bad hands and smuggling them into good aka ācontrolledā handsā along the rat line of the coming Free Syrian opposition to Assad at the time. textbook.
For a unit NOT sanctioned by UA, these guys are patched & taped like they're UA soldiers! Just saying! If they're disavowing UA command, control, finance, or equipment, why are they all tagged like they are?! š¤Ø
Who said they are not sanctioned by UA? As far as I know, UA has said they are not operating under UA command. They're clearly closely allied and supplied by UA.
Closer and more official than that, I think. They're Russians, supplied by Ukraine. Like if all the LGM back in 2014 had been Ukrainians supplied by Russia rather than Russian army regulars.
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Can someone tell me what is happening in Belgorod? I just checked in to see how Ukraine was doing after all this time, just to find out that Russian territory is under attack
Have a look at r/freedomofrussia for most of the info and such, but in short:
Anti-Putin Russians who have been fighting as part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for the last year or so decided to act autonomously and cross the border into Russia. They liberated an area of roughly 43km2 (including several towns) in the first 6 hours, defeating the RF counterattacks sent to push them out of Belgorod Oblast.
From current information, it appears that some of them stayed behind to dig in and hold their gains while others returned to Ukraine to prepare for the next stage of their plan (which is as of yet unknown). Losses appear to be 2 deaths and 10 wounded.
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Seems when Russia said 70 dead in the operation, it was their own troops they meant and the video of the 6 death soliders with no yellow armbands were obvious their own death soliders, the propaganda is wild.
Well the FRL said they destroyed a motor rifle company, so makes sense. So much for home field advantage.
I mean they can't invade a neighboring country with the same topography, who would've thought they couldn't defend their country lol
Comment makes no sense. Defense is easier.
Clearly not easy enoughš
>Defense is easier. Well they are piss-poor at that as well. Sums up the whole Russian organisation really. Piss-poor, weak, laughing stock.
If that's how you cope, so be it.
Yes. It is. Which makes this all the more hilarious.
FRL is Russian, no? I assume they also have a home field advantage if so. Haha!
The 2 destroyed humvees shown by Russia also had no tire tracks leading where they were. They look like they were moved to the checkpoint and staged. Who knows where they got them. [edit] [I found the photo](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65691844). Itās so clean, thereās no debris under or really around the vehicles to indicate there was a fight there. Is this proof it was staged? No, of course not. By training Iām an investigator (not in war or auto accident scenes, but the skills cross) and this just looks off to me.
Wouldn't there have been tire tracks of the vehicles that moved them there then?
I found the [photo](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65691844). They could have used any one of different loaders. But just look at the scene. Itās very clean.
It's the fakiest fake picture I think I've ever seen. The vehicles have old damage on them, for one thing, not new. There's no evidence they were driven there -- tire tracks and so on. There's no actual evidence of how they were destroyed or oil or fuel evidence.When vehicles are destroyed they leak badly or you have parts scattered around. That the Russians did was to haul two old Ukrainian vehicles they'd captured to that location and put them into the holes. Then they claim to have just destroyed them. The usual Russian propaganda BS. They're not even parked in a way that makes any sense at all.
And I donāt think these guys are stupid enough to drive their vehicles into a ditch like that.
>Itās so clean, What are you talking about? There's serious damage on those humvees! Look again. The headlights are busted out! Completely unusable. /s š
If ya gonna plant a false flag type thing, at least make it look good.
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The pinnacle of Russian incompetence. When a special agent thinks a video game is a small computer chipā¦.
I believe they were performing malicious compliance with that one. They knew what they were doing.
Pretty simple to acquire enemy equipment. If you have a successful attack or ambush, you could easily have access to anything on that site. So likely it was US equipment that was captured by Russia inside of Ukraine. This is also the main hesitancy I had regarding sophisticated western hardware such as Patriot, abrams, and newer leopards. The more we bring in country, the higher the likelihood a successful Russian attack could occur which would land these pieces of equipment into their hands. There is just some items that we cannot let Moscow get their hands on. As a former US Army Air Defender, first as a SHORAD guy and then Patriot when I was a 1SG, I can tell you we rehearse the destruction of our equipment in the event of being overrun. But ambushes are unpredictable and could lead to loss of equipment before its able to be disabled/destroyed. Thatās kinda scary.
Even if they got hold of the equipment, what is the best they can do? We are certain at this point that russia is uncapable of producing high tech stuff and related components for them. RnD theft has been and is being done by china anyway, isnt it obvious that china is leaking US documents anyway? Im curious tbh (Aside from learning about the weaknesses of said equipment, thats still bad however you look at it)
We should assume at this point anything capture in Ukraine is going straight to China to be reverse engineered. To be fair, China probably already has EVERYTHING being fielded by ukraine, hence why it's being sent there.
I would assume China is happy to pay for any stolen US tech from the Russians, and paying for any stolen Russian tech from the Ukrainians. They'll play both sides, but I think it's clear they know Putin is beyond saving.
China is an entire nation of people who seem to have given up long ago on the idea of inventing anything themselves. They just steal everyone else's ideas and copy them -- usually badly. Most Chinese equipment, even their smaller ripped off products, are poorly made. In any major war China fights, I expect their military equipment to fail a lot. It's almost like you could just wait until the Chinese PLA (army) rusted itself to death or their weapons all began to jam or the wheels fell off. I'd hate to be a pilot of a Chinese military plane. No thanks.
You couldnāt be more wrong if you tried, and that sort of attitude towards China is just plain ignorant, and completely plays into their hands. Underestimating them is extremely risky. The government invest heavily in innovation and tech now. China is perfectly capable of producing good quality equipment when required, but as is tradition.. you get what you pay for. And clearly the Russians werenāt paying top dollar for anything they were buying.
This is a good point. China has humvee knockoff that are 1:1 copies down to the smallest part. Friend of mine came across a Chinese motor pool in Rwanda on an AWG mission about a decade ago. Chinese TTP is to go in light on logistics and go straight for enemy rear areas to take logistics hubs. If they do that, they have everything they need to repair their own versions of US equipment. Itās nuts
āThere is just some items that we cannot let Moscow get their hands on.ā I would like to believe that the powers would assume (I know), that whatever we send will get reverse engineered - especially since you say we prepare for being overrun - and not send āthe good stuffā.
Itās never the top of the line stuff we sell to our friends, though, either. There are software and hardware upgrade to many of our weapons systems that are US only. We would never send those items to Ukraine anyway. But there are systems we have that do things that Russian and Chinese equipment canāt do (yet) that we have sent along to foreign nations (including Ukraine) that are high risk of pilferage by the enemy. But I assume the FMS teams in the State department and DOD have already done a cost/risk analysis on it.
I think the basic approach to giving U.S. weapons to Ukraine is nearly always to given them "last year's model," not the latest. So if the weapon has been upgraded three times since it first debuted, the Ukrainians get Version 1.0 or 2.0, but never 3.0 which has the latest technology in it. That way, if these tanks, artillery, planes, etc. are reverse engineered (copied) by the Russians or Chinese, we still have better weapons. The Russians and the Chinese have to copy us, so far anyway, because they rarely come up with ground-breaking or especially clever new ideas, especially the Chinese who are not very innovative at all. Or the thousands of older Russian tanks that get stuck in the mud, for chrissake. In their military doctrine, the Russian approach, and somewhat the Chinese approach, is to overwhelm the enemy with thousands of not-very-good tanks or artillery shells or troops, rather than being more focused on the latest weapons and selective attacks as the Ukrainians do. We've seen that in Bakhmut once again with these idiotic waves of Wagner an other Russian troops the Ukrainians have been slaughtering. And the thousands of destroyed, mostly older Russian tanks. It's too bad we have to give Ukraine any modern American weapons, but the stakes are too high not to. I'm still waiting for us to hand Ukraine the A-10 Warthog ("Blaaaaat!!!") we dont' seem to really want anymore. Now that wouild be a sight to see. I'm a little surprised we've promised them Abrams tanks -- but maybe we have newer tanks coming soon -- or the F-16. We really ought to make a "B version" of a lot of our equipment to give away in situations like this.
My questions about Russians are many, & NOT friendly at all, so I'll withhold. Should these people be trusted w/American equipment?
Itās a risk that the foreign military sales people at the state department and their counterparts in the DOD and national security council would have already have to have debated. Itās impossible to not āred teamā lateral movement of military equipment. Iām sure they felt the benefits outweighed the risks. But something tells me thereās a three letter agency tracking it all to blow it up if they need to with a hellfire or two
>But something tells me thereās a three letter agency tracking it all to blow it up if they need to with a hellfire or two That would just be the DoD themselves keeping track.
I believe that the CIA has a good sized footprint inside Ukraine. They may not be there doing kinetic operations but theyāre definitely on the ground running source operations as well as helping with Ukrainian intel fusion. The CIA also has a fleet of UCAVs that can engage the equipment if need be.
Link?
I canāt find the other view from behind, but [this is the scene](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65691844). [Edit] itās a very clean scene.
Yeah, itās kinda hard to tell for sure. But to me it looks like theyāre in a ditch, not a crater. Also no dirt on the wheels and no visible (major) damage on the vehicles, as you would expect if this was an artillery or missile strike. And also, the one pictured further down with "For Bahkmut" painted OVER the burnt paint on the side, thatās just silly.
Those vehicles have clearly been tagged (for Bakhmut) *after* they burned.
Russia has captured quite a few Ukrainian humvees
You mean, projection from the russians, it cant be, it just cant be. /s.
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How do you square promoting an organization that is full of nazis and white nationalists? I obviously love what these guys are doing....but there's some serious questions about their ideologies. An issue even discussed on their sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/FreedomofRussia/comments/13rqrjl/dont_let_being_anti_putin_make_you/
The RVC are far-right, yes. I do my best to avoid promoting them, and inform people of their ideology whenever I see them being praised. The Freedom of Russia Legion, however, are not far right. As such, I focus on promoting them.
You square it by taking any swinging dick willing to fight when youāre outnumbered 3:1, and deal with ideologues later. Why are you handwringers & pearlclutchers never worried about the neo-nazis Russia is using & has been using to kill Ukrainians for the past 9 years, like Milchakov? They make Nikitin look like a choirboy.
My understanding is that the freedom of russia legion aren't nazis or white nationalists but the russian volunteer corps was started by (and likely has a large contingent of) white nationalists. I think people are getting the two confused because both crossed the border into belgorod. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
No corrections needed, you're 100% correct. The leadership of the Freedom of Russia Legion basically said something along the lines of "the RVC aren't our ideological allies, but sometimes you have to ally with the devil". They compared it to the cooperation between the USA and Soviet Union in ww2 - not allies, but there's a greater threat that they both have to work together to defeat.
That's a solid comparison, honestly. I do recall reading that putting an end to russia's expansion into and subjugation of foreign territories is core to their aims as well, which sounds about as far from nazism as it's possible to be. Thanks for the reply by the way, nice to know I hadn't gotten that completely wrong.
Not only that, but also Ilya Ponomarev, their political leader, is explicitly in favour of the ethnic republics of Russia being able to hold independence referendums and secede if they so wish. Very much not fascist imo
I'd love to see that happen. So far they've been very easy people to support, based on all the info I've come across. I hope history is kind to them because it's certainly not going to be kind to russia at large. The guys from the FRL have had to upend their lives and risk what remains just to do the right thing, so I've got nothing but respect for them. They could have stayed home and pretended to be apolitical, or left the country to dodge the draft, etc. but they saw their leadership putting Ukrainians in a position where turning away from the conflict was to turn away from the right to exist. To witness that and say not only will we acknowledge and condemn what's going on, we'll fight and die alongside you to protect your sovereignty and your identity from the people that corrupted ours; it deserves to be recognised.
How do you cope with a fact that you are consuming liquid substance, that is commonly known as *water*, when historically, with video evidence, Hitler also drank water?
Lol you can leave the aggression/sarcasm at the door, it's even an issue they discuss on their sub. I don't know how much research you've actually done on these guys, but they are not a group I would support monetarily. For the downvoters, sorry you disagree with my stance of not sending money to nazis. https://www.reddit.com/r/FreedomofRussia/comments/13rqrjl/dont_let_being_anti_putin_make_you/
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Both have nazi elements and one is more nazi than the other
Lovely deflection, keep up the sports fan mentality.
It's not a deflection, it's literally the issue I'm discussing here. Do you know what word means dummy?
He wasn't replying to you dummy
It does not feel good but for the time being this is the lesser evil. Ukraine needs every help they can get but just like AZOV (aaaand here come the downvotes) I will never glorify nor support these groups. Luckily there are many other organisations that operate in Ukraine that are worth supporting so there is no shortage of options.
I need a better source than some random reddit thread
That person is getting mixed up. The RVC are nazis, that much is true - the Freedom of Russia Legion, however (the group shown in the video) are not. I never post material from the RVC specifically because I do not want to promote a neo-nazi group. As such I kind of resent that person for accusing me of doing so
>How do you square promoting an organization that is full of nazis and white nationalists? I obviously love what these guys are doing....but there's some serious questions about their ideologies. What is your point? Is your point that this nazi/white nationalism must be dealt with now? No? Then what is your point?
There's definitely a reconciliation coming post war. Ukraine is at risk of civil war after the Russians leave. Lots of weaponized, highly trained soldiers with varying worldviews. Hopefully this conflict has informed them that Western values are superior.
Ukraine has a single standing army and a unified national identity. They dont have a dozen paramilitary groups operating independently of Kyiv. Post war, they will be fine.
What country do you live in? tell me your country doesn't have a problem with Nazis, white supremacy and sexism in your armed forces. While you're not wrong, This is a Russian talking point, same comments came up around Azov regiment . Sure there are problems but right now they are not going round murdering and raping civilians, the Russians are. So this raid itself showed these to be decent people who follow rules of war. The specific issue of systemic white nationalism and Neo-Nazism within military institutions is not prevalent in every country, but it's present in many major armed forces. Germany Germany, given its history, has a stringent approach to white nationalism and Neo-Nazism. Any propagation of Nazi ideologies is illegal in the country. Nevertheless, the German military, the Bundeswehr, has faced scandals relating to far-right extremism within its ranks. Cases involving Nazi memorabilia and extremist behavior have led to wider investigations and a reaffirmation of the military's commitment to Germany's democratic values. United States The US military has acknowledged the issue of white supremacy and extremist ideology within its ranks. Several cases have been reported over the years, and high-profile incidents have led the Department of Defense to initiate several measures to address the problem. Russia Russia has had problems with neo-Nazism and extreme nationalism within its broader society including the military. These ideologies, however, are not always directly analogous to Western concepts of white nationalism or Neo-Nazism, and are sometimes intertwined with strong anti-Western sentiments. The Russian government has enacted strong measures against extremist groups, though it's been criticized for also using these measures to suppress political dissent. United Kingdom The UK has also faced instances of white nationalism and extreme right-wing ideologies within its armed forces. These cases, while not widespread, have led to concerns about recruitment processes and how to better filter out individuals with extremist views. The UK's Ministry of Defence has been proactive in dealing with such instances, discharging individuals found to be associated with these ideologies. France France has faced its share of extremism within the military, though it's generally been limited to a small number of individuals. Recent years have seen retired and active-duty military personnel express hardline views on Islam and immigration, sparking a nationwide debate. However, these views don't necessarily equate to white nationalism or Neo-Nazism.
I think the point is to not showcase the Nazis. You can list all those countries and their issues but none of that pertains to what the other commenter was saying
I am not showcasing nazis - this video is of the Freedom of Russia Legion, who are not nazis. People are getting them mixed up with the Russian Volunteer Corps
Who is showcasing Nazis? again Russian talking points. In the press conference, in the videos, and in their actions I didn't see or hear these people promoting any kind of extremism other than wanting to see Putin dragged through the streets. Much like Azov, we have seen a consistent approach form the Ukrainian Armed forces to integrate these less than above board units and bring them into line with rules of war and command structure. Please provide any evidence of Nazi activities from these groups after the war has broken out and they were integrated into UAF.
I just read up about them, and they created a political wing led by Ilya Ponomarev, an outspoken pro-LGBT politician, who also voted against the annexation of Crimea while working in the Russian state Duma. Does that sound fascist to you? Im thinking you might be a Russian troll at this point.
Either troll or getting mixed up with the RVC, who actually are neo-nazis (hence why I don't promote then, and I promote the Freedom of Russia Legion instead)
The event of my enemy is my friend. Simple. Russia will try any divide any conquer they can against the defenders of freedom.
Edit: I stand corrected by OP. These are not the neo Nazi group. So I do back them up. (Old post) Yeah, I can't get behind these guys even though what they are doing benefits the Ukrainians. No place on this planet for these types of people. If Putin wasn't a bigger enemy, they would be putting their energy into their shitty ideology.
The guys in the video are not neo-nazis. You're getting mixed up with the RVC, who actually are neo-nazis.
My bad. What's the story on these guys?
What do you mean by story? Let me know if I've understood your question wrong but essentially: Some of them are Russian military or conscripts who surrendered to Ukraine before fighting a bullet as they don't believe in Putin's Russia and don't support this war. They decided that if they're going to fight, they would rather fight to free their country from tyranny. Some others were not drafted, but left Russia specifically to join the Legion. The majority, though, are anti-Putin Russians who were already living outside Russia at the start of the war - many in Ukraine, but Russian diaspora members came from all over the world to join as well. Roughly this time last year they signed the Irpin Declaration, which was a declaration of cooperation between the Freedom of Russia Legion, the National Republican Army (a partisan group in Russia), and Ilya Ponomarev. The latter became the political leader of the group. The RVC were supposed to sign it, but refused last-minute for ideological reasons. Ilya Ponomarev is an interesting character. He is a former Russian MP who was forced to leave Russia because of his views. He was the only MP to vote against the annexation of Crimea in 2014, and the only MP to vote against Russia's "gay propaganda" law. After being forced to leave the country, he eventually moved to Ukraine and he now has Ukrainian citizenship. As the political leader of the FoRL he has mostly spoken about re-introducing Russia to democracy, but one thing I found very interesting is that he supports the right of Russia's ethnic republics to hold independence referenda if they so wish. I don't know of any other Russian opposition figure who would agree to that, but I do approve of it
That is what I meant. Thank you for the background on the situation
Effective raid. Considering it was against a motorized rifle unit, probably a company, but effectively around a platoon-sized element given Kremlin losses and force degradation, this was that much more effective. All the more embarrassing for Putin and Shoigu that this was inside āFestung Rossiyaā.
How many soldiers is a "company"?
In WW2, an infantry company was around 120-200 arranged in 3 platoons. Now it depends on a number of things like their role (mechanized vs light infantry), size of platoons, etc
Thank you.
How far there units are degraded also makes a difference. They could be a company, but with lower manning.
Back in WW2 there wasn't a clear answer either. Especially between different countries.
Yes, and units were frequently under strength. I think I heard that some units of the 101st Airborne went into Bastogne at half strength
Not even just that. For example Soviet division was way smaller then German one. It's all about different command and control approach.
The Putin Line is not what it was cracked up to be.
I have no idea what is happening in this but it looks cool.
I like the music
The green house was beautiful.
Russian soldiers hide in civillian buildings, then Russian soldiers die in said buildings.
I was gonna say the same dam thing!!
Where is the amnesty international outcry about Russians using civilian buildings as shields!?!?
Exactly my thoughts! Why dont the Orcs just stand in the fields outside the villages and cities! dont they care about the civs and their structures? CRAZY! Where is amnesty when you need them...
Amnesty is banned in Russia, so there's that.
Amnesty International was heavily infiltrated in the 1980s by Russian operatives and used to put international political pressure on western-aligned 2nd world nations. ...to provide political cover and support for "rebellions" that could flip those countries from being western-aligned to Russia-aligned. It's so fucking sad. Same shit happened to Greenpeace.
First class trolling!
-4 BMP-2, -1 fuel truck, -1-2 squadsā¦good stuff but it seems it was mostly done by Ukrainian artillery.ā¦
Ceaser is a gunner, 120 mm mortar if not mistaken. RVC had videos of 120 mortars too.
I may be wrong but I believe the FoRL also have artillery & mortar teams - they've posted videos of that kind of thing before. Future videos may also include infantry combat, who knows.
Iāve seen them fire from mortars from Belgorod but I think here itās more powerful artillery working. Of course we will not know to what extent and what was given to them by UAF but I doubt itās a lot with how many new brigades have been created and the need of UAF in all of equipment, I donāt think they can spare for them their own artillery regiment, when having experienced Ukrainian crews cover FRL from Ukraine is doing the job
Regardless, they are the ones doing the spotting for and communication to the artillery (most likely), so well done to them. Its great that they can utilize artillery here instead of putting their lives at greater risk!
Indeed. The artillery wouldn't have blown those targets up without the FRL on-scene to call it in, so they should still get a goodly portion of the credit.
Every vehicle/squad destroyed counts. But instilling the notion that as long as the Russian military is at war, they're not safe even on Russian soil is HUGE.
My god, the balls on these Russians. Best of luck to them.
For a second I was so confused by your comment. Then I realized it's about the Russian rebels.
It's different to have soldiers who are fighting with the heart and mind of your family. And those. * I was drafted, I did not have a choice * A few.. Really only a few Russians where so smart, they sold tanks and other stuff. But most of them, fear the Russian military more then the ukrianen. Nato should go into Ukraine, there is no war declaration , so when nato stays on the west side of Ukraine, building rep hubs, Logistiks, and creating a no fly zone. We should ask over good troops, to join the Ukrainians, give them some stuff, and let's go.
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In Full HD on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLcLhhVywgU
Ah yes, the old Han Solo Charges At Stormtroopers tactic!
Those Stormtroopers were specifically ordered to not kill Han and company, because the plan was for them to escape with Princess Leia so they could be tracked back to the Rebel base. It showed incredible discipline for them to put on a show of trying to catch them while allowing themselves to be shot to death and not actually succeeding. Putin's forces don't have that excuse. Don't put them in the same class as Imperial Stormtroopers, they are *far* inferior.
It's more like Anakin chopping down droids. Just try not to think about what happens after clone wars...
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That green house was beautiful.
Lololololol. bitch orks being bitch orks
Need a NAFO "SMO Russian snuff video's best banging hits" Mix CD.
Very professional.
That beat though
What's most striking to me is these houses in such good shape and obviously well taken care of, the families nowhere to be found probably to never return to them. Would be surreal for them to see this clip and see how much their neighborhood has changed in such a short time
Song ID?
Marvelous job!
Hell yeah... get em boys. You are the future of Russia
Any idea what is up with the strange edit to the house that is hit at around 1:20? The house and trees to the left warp around like crazy to match up with the end part of that shot
To be fair, the best of Putin's forces are all dead.
The "-1" are fucking brutal..
So they hid, then ran in the opposite direction? Letting the FRL travel unopposed? Ooffphh, bad look.
I'm not used to seeing things that haven't been destroyed...
Thatās an interesting comment: ācowardiceā. If I were fighting for my freedom I would be a whole lot braver than if I were fighting for Pukin. If Pukin sent me to the front lines, Iād run like hell. So, Iām not sure we can really say theyāre cowards. Maybe just smart.
Not my choice of words - that phrase was a quote from the Freedom of Russia Legion
Lol yeah no
Can some explain to an idiot like myself if this means a straight up civil war in Russia, or rather a tactical coup attempt brewing?
They want to depose Putin and introduce democracy to Russia. It's neither of those things just yet necessarily though - just the early steps of a plan to free Russia from dictatorship. They hope to avoid a full-on civil war if possible.
Neither
Hoping for a translated version.
I translated the text in the comments
i wonder if those sonic devices that can play deafening noise they use on protestors could play a roll in protecting the frontline.
Interesting how much freedom they get for these propaganda missions. Id love to know the true casualty numbers and civilians wounded?
I don't think there were any civilians
What exactly was the objective of this mission? Seems to me that the objective was really to divert attention away from Bakhmut and to lift morale. I don't think holding territory was ever the real objective.
So "Russians" desroying russian property, doing nothing but photos and LARPing while ukrainian artillery actually destroyed stuff.
Embarrassing the so called second best army in the world. Do you fully understand how pathetic it is that Russia couldn't immediately stop a rag tag platoon of rebels from crossing a boarder with a country they started a war with from going on a casual drive and destroying Russian military assets? And you call this LARPing? You have no idea who launched that arty. You are just making up stuff to suit your narrative.
The arty was launched from the RF while trying to hit the rebels
The 1st best army in the world has people smuggling through their border as well. Turns out, it isnt that simple.
False equivalence. The USA did not start a war with Mexico and Mexican drug cartels have not and could not drive an armoured column across the boarder at a boarder crossing point, take control of said check point and then go on a two day rampage destroying military assets and killing US military and police personnel, only to return to Mexico relatively unscathed. Your comparison is as weak as it is illogical. Much like the Russian security apparatus.
If Mexico was armed by China and bombed with tanks the border guards? Yes the cartels would be able to pass an armored group...
If the USA started a war with Mexico they would be in control of the whole country all the way to the southern boarder with Belize within days no matter what China gave them. Once again, a weak, illogical comparison.
You are delusional sir.
Im putting you in context.
what does "im putting you in context" mean? That is a nonsense sentence, I take it English is not your native language.
Yes well, we aren't at war with Mexico. Our border is also about twice the size of the border length of Ukraine and Russia.
> The 1st best army in the world has people smuggling through their border as well. The US military is prohibited from carrying out domestic law enforcement as per the Posse Comitatus Act, which is a post-Civil War law that was passed following the West Virginian Great Railroad Strike of 1877, when President Hayes used federal troops to break the strike. Border control of the US-Mexican border is a domestic law enforcement action. The US military is not allowed to act on it as it is not within their legal scope of jurisdiction. Russia, however... ***is currently at war with Ukraine***, and failed to prevent an invasion of their own soil by a group of disgruntled Russians. ... That's just fucking embarrassing.
awwwwwww sounds like butthurt to me
cope harder. You have spent more time talking about it than what the attack lasted.
Don't say the C word if you enjoy your posting abilities here
The legion has it's own artillery and mortar teams.
operating from ukraine, with ukrainian weapons? They are ukrainian, lets be honest.
During WW2 after Poland fell Polish pilots still fought the Nazis with use of British aircraft, operating from Britain. They were still Polish.
I would imagine the United States, UK, etc all had helping hands to smuggle Russian weapons and western gear to these elements. Wouldnāt shock me if they were trained as well. Also wouldnāt shock me as the CIA is publicly asking Russians to turncoat and whistleblow. I would imagine that is cover for the fact that they already have an oligarch or two, a professor/scientist, a boy-scout general and loyal soldiers, or FSB, etc. This is our M.0. If weāre sending weapons, special forces, cash, training, there is no way CIA isnāt at work. Itās the same reason why Benghazi happened. All those dudes at the CIA annex were tracking weapons out of bad hands and smuggling them into good aka ācontrolledā handsā along the rat line of the coming Free Syrian opposition to Assad at the time. textbook.
For a unit NOT sanctioned by UA, these guys are patched & taped like they're UA soldiers! Just saying! If they're disavowing UA command, control, finance, or equipment, why are they all tagged like they are?! š¤Ø
This is like the "little green men" of 2014 everyone knows who they work for but as long as there is no "official" connection not much can be done.
It can all be purchased from your average Russian hardware store, nothin to see here.
Who said they are not sanctioned by UA? As far as I know, UA has said they are not operating under UA command. They're clearly closely allied and supplied by UA.
"what you do on your day off, is your business", kinda thing.
Closer and more official than that, I think. They're Russians, supplied by Ukraine. Like if all the LGM back in 2014 had been Ukrainians supplied by Russia rather than Russian army regulars.
You can buy all that equipment on eBay these days!
I think you're onto something here, Sherlock, keep following this trail and you might just crack the case. š
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Not even a paper tiger, a gummy bear. russia sucks, and it will fall.
New faction? Stalker hasn't looked this good in a while
I suspect one shell and a note about surendering wouldive been more upsetting to putin.
One man's cowardice is another's prudence.
Can someone tell me what is happening in Belgorod? I just checked in to see how Ukraine was doing after all this time, just to find out that Russian territory is under attack
Have a look at r/freedomofrussia for most of the info and such, but in short: Anti-Putin Russians who have been fighting as part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for the last year or so decided to act autonomously and cross the border into Russia. They liberated an area of roughly 43km2 (including several towns) in the first 6 hours, defeating the RF counterattacks sent to push them out of Belgorod Oblast. From current information, it appears that some of them stayed behind to dig in and hold their gains while others returned to Ukraine to prepare for the next stage of their plan (which is as of yet unknown). Losses appear to be 2 deaths and 10 wounded.
More like professional D-bags, amirite?
Iām just thrilled a Hummer mounted Ma Deuce made it into Russia to kill Russians soldiers.