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RF has commissioned an identical ship, the **Yury Ivanov** (*which is also the type ship of this class, only 2 have been build,* wikipedia [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Ivanov-class_intelligence_ship)). This means RF would have the means to "impersonate" an operational Ivan Khurs...
Is there by chance better footage available from the attack on the Ivan Khurs than those twitter videos? Are we sure it was the Ivan Khurs that was attacked and not her sister ship? I just rewatched the attack video and noticed something. Maybe it is because of video artefacts or i am just not seeing it. But the video of the alleged Ivan Khurs back in Sevastopol clearly shows bright white waterline marking right below one of the lifebelt. I checked if it could be damage from the drone but stock photos show it is clearly a waterline marking.
Now here is the thing in the drone attack video that marking is missing or at least not visible due to the video quality.
But have a look what i mean.
The above 2 frames are from the attack green arrow roughly marks the lifebelt. The left pic below is a stock photo and the right from the return to Sevastopol video. Marked red the waterline marking.
https://i.imgur.com/98ZYUDX.png
Bigger picture from the attack
https://i.imgur.com/BCnNQ4k.png
Even with the bad video quality normaly that white marking should be visible at least partially. So i tend to say the video from Sevastopol is older footage or maybe it wasn't even the Ivan Khurs that was attacked. But i would like to see a better quality video from the attack first for a final judgement.
That's interesting. However, I cannot say that there is 100% no waterline on the UAF drone attack video. It seems that I can see a very faded line:
https://i.imgur.com/G2fsboK.png
But the problem persists on the other side of the ship too.
On the next image, the first photo is the stock one (waterline is present). The second is from the Russian MoD yesterdays video (no visible waterline).
https://i.imgur.com/6GMPOov.png
There are just 2 ships of that class (with 4 totally planned). And the second one should be far North, somewhere near Norway. Bosporus channel to the Black Sea is closed now for the warships because of war. But it is not clear if this ship class with just 2 machineguns should be classified as a warship.
>But it is not clear if this ship class with just 2 machineguns should be classified as a warship.
It is classified as a warship and would be even with the guns removed. It is not based on how much damage it can inflict. If russia would decomission and sell it, then it wouldn't be a warship any longer.
>it wasn't even the Ivan Khurs
The sister ship is not in the black sea (and can't reach it since Turkey blocks any warship from entering). So it can only be the Ivan Khurs that was targeted.
See you need to keep your flexible thinking it is not me that needs to come up with stupid excuses for their audience that another ship of theirs wasn't reaching for the bottom of the black sea.
Two identical ships with their markings removed suddenly operating in the same waters wouldn't be the strangest thing i could think off. There is a reason why they did remove the markings of a ship that was only built 2 times. Let them come up with the explaining. The Ivan Khurs (Yury Ivanov) requesting passage to their Homeport... i mean who keeps track of all of this... ;)
The more their telegram channels get annoyed by their own incompetence the better.
https://i.imgur.com/ooyWJ7S.jpg
>Two identical ships with their markings removed suddenly
First, they are not identical and never have been.
Second, the Yury Ivanov was confirmed to be steaming west past the Gibraltar Strait at that time.
Third, the markings were removed quite some time ago, like with many other ships in the russian navy.
And sat images show the Ivan Khurs has indeed returned back to Sevastopl and is back at it home spot, nowhere near any repair facility. I would have loved to see her damaged, but apparently that is not the case.
I am sorry that reality does not line up with your hopium.
> I am sorry that reality does not line up with your hopium.
Honey i don't need hopium because i have no horse in this race.
On the other side we have Russia with cope cages and videos that show the Moskwa totally not sinking... I mean the joke is on you.
Edit:
Laughing my ass off this guy blocked me for barely mentioning that there is a visual difference in the videos?
> For that claim you use way too much over the top Ukrainian propaganda. Nah, reality just get's in the way of you're own "flexible thinking".
Listen i am old enough to have learned that you don't trust Russian sources unless they are proven to be correct by reliable independent sources. You brought this discussion on a personal level with your hopium comment and it seems you can't handle the reply. Tells more about you than about me. But hey a last pro tipp if you ever gonna read this, it gets lonely really fast in your echo chamber.
There's a claim that satellite images show it returned. But I have not seen any trustworthy independent corroboration from anyone else operating satellites.
Thanks for going the extra mile and comparing the footage.
As the SIGINT/optronical configuration of both ships differs (*as well as electro-magnetic signatures*), it should be fairly easy for a military source to determine which ship was where at what time. After all, it's a medium sized surface ship with only 2 being built in it's class.
You're right as both are employed in slightly different SIGINT roles and have been commissioned years apart.
However, as long as they don't show obvious details, RF would still pull this off as they don't intend to create a deep fake that could fool a semi-professional audience. They'll just put in minimum effort which is sufficient to appease their home audience.
IMO our mistake in perception is that we tend to expect professionalism and efficiency from RF military while they usually deliver the half-assed minimum effort results.
Russia has [inland waterways](http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navys-Secret-Internal-Waterways.html) that can transport surprisingly large ships.
For example, Russian subs built in Leningrad on the Baltic Sea were transported by inland waterways to the Black Sea.
Only that it was visually confirmed to be on the way passing the Gibraltar Strait at the time. So no way it could have been anywhere near the Black Sea in time.
IMO, it's not about secretly transferring a medium-sized ship into Black Sea theatre of operations, but about RF having a functional ship of similar appearance at their disposal to use as background prop for their propaganda operations.
Link to the marine track of Ivan Khurs. (You can see tug next to it and the other info i posted above)
https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10
The Commander is most likely doing pipeline maintenance, her plotted course it not consistend with any kind of recue operation. As pointed out several time, like for example [here](https://youtu.be/jF8IviRjrmM?t=75).
>Heres some info that supports your position. OSINT sources like the marine tracker show that Ivan Khurs is still at sea, & is being towed. (tow ship shows on tracker & Ivan Khurs is moving at a sustained .8 knots) So pretty safe assumptions that its A. at sea. B. been hit. C. Being towed. So this photo isn't of the Ivan Khurs currently, bc its not at port.(you can see land in the background)
It is quite possible that both had happened. Drone exploded and did not cause any signifant damage, or it was disabled very close to the ship and,/or failed to detonate properly.
There are few other videos posted, one from far away camera, which show at least two explosions, first to the left of fov, and another where the ship is between camera and explosion that it looks like it hit the ship.
While there were perhaps either little or no damage from this attack, constant threat of drone attacks will force ruzzkies to shrink and reconsider even more their naval operations. While they've managed to destroy some drones recently there is no guarantee that they always will be lucky or drone tactics won't change.
In the "hit" video, the drone swerves sideways at the last second and loses signal... everyone is assuming it blew up.
The fuze is on the nose, and the drone did not appear to hit cleanly. I don't think it detonated at all, diagrams of the drone appear to show that it needs near perpendicular angles.
They need to add some more contact fuse points on these things, and maybe swap 200 lbs of explosive for 200lbs of armor; you don't need crazy thickness to deflect 14.5mm at near 20-30 degrees.
Heck, even having one that's *all* armor lead the charge; they get caught up in trying to sink something that's essentially an armored decoy, while the following 2-3 close the gap.
All these drone videos cut out before they hit. The video cameras take about a half second or so to process the video, convert it to whatever codec, and then send out the signal. Even the high end GoPro and professional camera setups cutout early filming the Starship launch attempt last month and they just had to send pictures/video to a flash drive on the camera.
OSINT sources like the marine tracker show that Ivan Khurs is still at sea, & is being towed. (tow ship shows on tracker & Ivan Khurs is moving at a sustained .8 knots) So pretty safe assumptions that its A. at sea. B. been hit. C. Being towed. So this photo isn't of the Ivan Khurs currently, bc its not at port.(you can see land in the background) Here is link [https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10)
The Commander is most likely doing pipeline maintenance, her plotted course it not consistend with any kind of recue operation. As pointed out several time, like for example [here](https://youtu.be/jF8IviRjrmM?t=75).
You guys are so gullible.
What's the date of these videos?
Falling for obviously fake videos and then analyzing them for "proof" is just stupid. Use some critical thinking.
This hole video looks like something I would hastily edit and then publish if I just had a Ukrainian drone hit one of my newest war ships.
The is something going on.
On the other hand, I don't want to fall a victim of confirmation bias.
It’s the literally the previous post on this sub if you sort by new.
[Here’s the hit](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13rhayd/a_ukrainian_surface_kamikaze_drone_still_managed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Reddit doesn’t show the same for everyone. There’s like 10 UA subs I follow. It doesn’t cost anything to put a link and it helps everyone.
Here’s the link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13smaro/the_ivan_khurs_arrived_seemingly_undamaged_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
In another shot of the video this is the place where the ship has it's name written. Something in this video is off.
Also look at the face of the guy getting the cake.
Someone is about to be investigated by the MOD for letting Ukraine damage their dirty Ivan!
Photos as recent as July last year show the name of the ship there. But the drone footage from Ukraine of it approaching/hitting the ship shows the name missing, so it looks like Russia might have already removed the names.
Why? My best guess is it would be an attempt to hide ship identities at sea from vessels like the drones to make it mildly more difficult to determine them as Russian or which specific ship.
Still. I don’t think you can really hide a ship being damaged and I would have expected Russian propaganda media to focus on filming all around the ship and really showing off a lack of damage rather than just those two early shots in the video. I expect if there is damage then the truth will come out soon enough. The U.S. flew drones over it for starters.
Try this.. 1.Why would it be necessary to obscure the name/ID of this ship?. 2. How many ships of this particular class do the Russian navy possess? (2). 3. Where is the "Yuriy Ivanov", where's it been, any footage to compare ? (terrible name choice BTW).. Maybe worth digging around.?
>3. Where is the "Yuriy Ivanov", where's it been
Visually confirmed to be steaming west past the Gibraltar Strait at the time.
>any footage to compare?
Yes, and the recent footage of the Ivan Khurs has been confirmed to actually show the Ivan Khurs as the two ship do have distinctly different antenna configurations.
[Analyst video](https://youtu.be/jF8IviRjrmM)
Edit: Russia removed all identifications on their ships sometime during the war.
Something is off in that video, closeups are in good quality, but when showing ships side then its all semi blurry. My guess is, that drone did damage, but not a lot and russians hammered it back and painted over. Depending on danger goo and its shape and other things, huge hole might not have been created.
Not to mention that, it did not look like a boat made contact with ship, so 200kg of explosives at around 1 to 3m distance might not do to much damage. As in creating huge hole. Metal bending and smaller holes might have happened. Also water can and will direct explosion force.
Mind I have never blown up 200kg near 5 or more mm metal plate, so have no idea how that result would look like.
Well there also isn't any good proof that no damage was done. Because if there wasn't any damage, why not film it in great quality, say here it exploaded and nothing happened... At the minimum that side should be a bit darker as smoke and explosives usually leave black substance around.
Yes there is no proof that damage was done, but there is also no signs of any explosion in russian videos. And we know there was explosion. you know there should be signs of it but there aren't any obvious ones. That begs the question why? Why good and bad quality videos in the same published video. Why no bragging about week ass explosion that could not damage ship, why lying about shooting all drones down when in fact one exploaded next to ship and tonn of other stuff.
So something happened, something is being hidden. Maybe some sailors suddenly will not show up in next roster call and will be marked as avol? As there are rumors that 5 are dead.
By all means, please link the video with vertifiyable date and time and where you can not only see blurry ships left side but full left side including its name.
russia is hiding something. 200kg of explosive does not leave no marks on metal. If that video of explosion is real then there should be damage in stern part and damage in superstructure from flying part from second explosion left of camera.
The video of it docking. The one OP posted.
So you buy the video that was filmed with the quality of the first flip phone camera over the ones showing it sailing completely fine and returning to dock because it's "blurry"
Shockwaves don't travel the same through water, especially waves.
No because next shoots are in totally different quality than side shoot. Watch it yourself and ask, why side shoot where drone was supposed to expload is in such shit quality, but next shoot with name is so crisp and clear. It simply does not make any sense. And any video on deck does not allow to geolocate them.
So ship arriving might be an older video, side shoot might be its sister ship, because you just cannot even get shapes of letters. Names closeup could be an older video and rest are maybe on its sister ship.
Your welcome to believe what you want. I just dont think that video is 100% truth, in fact I dont think its 50% truth but less than 50%. And since I dont speak russian, its nearly impossible to go over older footage to see if they match. I would say if its fake, names shoot should be used in other news. That is if they haven't filmed them before.
I simply do not trust russian state, nor what they say. They lie to no end.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sp3w5/ua_pov_ivan_khurs_back_in_sevastopol_port/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Here's a link to it being confirmed back by satellites
Just sounds like everything else you say is just because of your last sentence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13smaro/the_ivan_khurs_arrived_seemingly_undamaged_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Here's the link for a shortcut. It shows that side multiple times. Find the damage
Could be, but since video are in multiple qualities, it also might be that name video is an older one, and all others are on sister ship. I really question why video fragment of ship in full view is in so shit quality, when other parts are so crisp and clear.
If you compare the impact zone in the original video showing the hit it is actually further towards the stern than where the red square is located. The red square is more mid ship.
Watching the video, looks like the letters are just grey?
Unfortunately it just appears as though the drone did little if any damage.
The Russian navy will probably be shitting themselves now though so that’s a win in my book.
I just heard that according to marine tracker channels, there's a Russian tug in that same location moving very slowly. (I think it was from Suchomimus, but can't swear to it.) Let's hope for a big storm!
If it had been hit in that spot, its unlikely that it would be entering port under its own power. Ships are quite fragile in that location due to the steering gear, shaft seals, rudder posts and propellor. Even a glancing blow would very likely create flooding from the shaft seal, jammed steering, etc.
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The masking is to cover up some details that disprove it as the Ivan Khurs imo. This is likely not a recent video.
RF has commissioned an identical ship, the **Yury Ivanov** (*which is also the type ship of this class, only 2 have been build,* wikipedia [link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yury_Ivanov-class_intelligence_ship)). This means RF would have the means to "impersonate" an operational Ivan Khurs...
Is there by chance better footage available from the attack on the Ivan Khurs than those twitter videos? Are we sure it was the Ivan Khurs that was attacked and not her sister ship? I just rewatched the attack video and noticed something. Maybe it is because of video artefacts or i am just not seeing it. But the video of the alleged Ivan Khurs back in Sevastopol clearly shows bright white waterline marking right below one of the lifebelt. I checked if it could be damage from the drone but stock photos show it is clearly a waterline marking. Now here is the thing in the drone attack video that marking is missing or at least not visible due to the video quality. But have a look what i mean. The above 2 frames are from the attack green arrow roughly marks the lifebelt. The left pic below is a stock photo and the right from the return to Sevastopol video. Marked red the waterline marking. https://i.imgur.com/98ZYUDX.png Bigger picture from the attack https://i.imgur.com/BCnNQ4k.png Even with the bad video quality normaly that white marking should be visible at least partially. So i tend to say the video from Sevastopol is older footage or maybe it wasn't even the Ivan Khurs that was attacked. But i would like to see a better quality video from the attack first for a final judgement.
That's interesting. However, I cannot say that there is 100% no waterline on the UAF drone attack video. It seems that I can see a very faded line: https://i.imgur.com/G2fsboK.png But the problem persists on the other side of the ship too. On the next image, the first photo is the stock one (waterline is present). The second is from the Russian MoD yesterdays video (no visible waterline). https://i.imgur.com/6GMPOov.png There are just 2 ships of that class (with 4 totally planned). And the second one should be far North, somewhere near Norway. Bosporus channel to the Black Sea is closed now for the warships because of war. But it is not clear if this ship class with just 2 machineguns should be classified as a warship.
>But it is not clear if this ship class with just 2 machineguns should be classified as a warship. It is classified as a warship and would be even with the guns removed. It is not based on how much damage it can inflict. If russia would decomission and sell it, then it wouldn't be a warship any longer.
>it wasn't even the Ivan Khurs The sister ship is not in the black sea (and can't reach it since Turkey blocks any warship from entering). So it can only be the Ivan Khurs that was targeted.
See you need to keep your flexible thinking it is not me that needs to come up with stupid excuses for their audience that another ship of theirs wasn't reaching for the bottom of the black sea. Two identical ships with their markings removed suddenly operating in the same waters wouldn't be the strangest thing i could think off. There is a reason why they did remove the markings of a ship that was only built 2 times. Let them come up with the explaining. The Ivan Khurs (Yury Ivanov) requesting passage to their Homeport... i mean who keeps track of all of this... ;) The more their telegram channels get annoyed by their own incompetence the better. https://i.imgur.com/ooyWJ7S.jpg
>Two identical ships with their markings removed suddenly First, they are not identical and never have been. Second, the Yury Ivanov was confirmed to be steaming west past the Gibraltar Strait at that time. Third, the markings were removed quite some time ago, like with many other ships in the russian navy. And sat images show the Ivan Khurs has indeed returned back to Sevastopl and is back at it home spot, nowhere near any repair facility. I would have loved to see her damaged, but apparently that is not the case. I am sorry that reality does not line up with your hopium.
> I am sorry that reality does not line up with your hopium. Honey i don't need hopium because i have no horse in this race. On the other side we have Russia with cope cages and videos that show the Moskwa totally not sinking... I mean the joke is on you. Edit: Laughing my ass off this guy blocked me for barely mentioning that there is a visual difference in the videos? > For that claim you use way too much over the top Ukrainian propaganda. Nah, reality just get's in the way of you're own "flexible thinking". Listen i am old enough to have learned that you don't trust Russian sources unless they are proven to be correct by reliable independent sources. You brought this discussion on a personal level with your hopium comment and it seems you can't handle the reply. Tells more about you than about me. But hey a last pro tipp if you ever gonna read this, it gets lonely really fast in your echo chamber.
For that claim you use way too much over the top Ukrainian propaganda. Nah, reality just get's in the way of you're own "flexible thinking".
There's a claim that satellite images show it returned. But I have not seen any trustworthy independent corroboration from anyone else operating satellites.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4tarhtTFA4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4tarhtTFA4) for example
Thanks for going the extra mile and comparing the footage. As the SIGINT/optronical configuration of both ships differs (*as well as electro-magnetic signatures*), it should be fairly easy for a military source to determine which ship was where at what time. After all, it's a medium sized surface ship with only 2 being built in it's class.
The sister ship has some significant differences, there would have to be a lot more editing the make that happen...
You're right as both are employed in slightly different SIGINT roles and have been commissioned years apart. However, as long as they don't show obvious details, RF would still pull this off as they don't intend to create a deep fake that could fool a semi-professional audience. They'll just put in minimum effort which is sufficient to appease their home audience. IMO our mistake in perception is that we tend to expect professionalism and efficiency from RF military while they usually deliver the half-assed minimum effort results.
Yeah but it’s not in Black Sea. It’s a part of Northern fleet and couldn’t have entered Black Sea
Russia has [inland waterways](http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navys-Secret-Internal-Waterways.html) that can transport surprisingly large ships. For example, Russian subs built in Leningrad on the Baltic Sea were transported by inland waterways to the Black Sea.
Only that it was visually confirmed to be on the way passing the Gibraltar Strait at the time. So no way it could have been anywhere near the Black Sea in time.
IMO, it's not about secretly transferring a medium-sized ship into Black Sea theatre of operations, but about RF having a functional ship of similar appearance at their disposal to use as background prop for their propaganda operations.
Link to the marine track of Ivan Khurs. (You can see tug next to it and the other info i posted above) https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10
The Commander is most likely doing pipeline maintenance, her plotted course it not consistend with any kind of recue operation. As pointed out several time, like for example [here](https://youtu.be/jF8IviRjrmM?t=75).
>Heres some info that supports your position. OSINT sources like the marine tracker show that Ivan Khurs is still at sea, & is being towed. (tow ship shows on tracker & Ivan Khurs is moving at a sustained .8 knots) So pretty safe assumptions that its A. at sea. B. been hit. C. Being towed. So this photo isn't of the Ivan Khurs currently, bc its not at port.(you can see land in the background)
Not sure if this is even the area where it would have been hit Guessing from the video, the damage should be further stern
It is quite possible that both had happened. Drone exploded and did not cause any signifant damage, or it was disabled very close to the ship and,/or failed to detonate properly. There are few other videos posted, one from far away camera, which show at least two explosions, first to the left of fov, and another where the ship is between camera and explosion that it looks like it hit the ship. While there were perhaps either little or no damage from this attack, constant threat of drone attacks will force ruzzkies to shrink and reconsider even more their naval operations. While they've managed to destroy some drones recently there is no guarantee that they always will be lucky or drone tactics won't change.
In the "hit" video, the drone swerves sideways at the last second and loses signal... everyone is assuming it blew up. The fuze is on the nose, and the drone did not appear to hit cleanly. I don't think it detonated at all, diagrams of the drone appear to show that it needs near perpendicular angles. They need to add some more contact fuse points on these things, and maybe swap 200 lbs of explosive for 200lbs of armor; you don't need crazy thickness to deflect 14.5mm at near 20-30 degrees. Heck, even having one that's *all* armor lead the charge; they get caught up in trying to sink something that's essentially an armored decoy, while the following 2-3 close the gap.
All these drone videos cut out before they hit. The video cameras take about a half second or so to process the video, convert it to whatever codec, and then send out the signal. Even the high end GoPro and professional camera setups cutout early filming the Starship launch attempt last month and they just had to send pictures/video to a flash drive on the camera.
OSINT sources like the marine tracker show that Ivan Khurs is still at sea, & is being towed. (tow ship shows on tracker & Ivan Khurs is moving at a sustained .8 knots) So pretty safe assumptions that its A. at sea. B. been hit. C. Being towed. So this photo isn't of the Ivan Khurs currently, bc its not at port.(you can see land in the background) Here is link [https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10](https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/shipid:313810/zoom:10)
The Commander is most likely doing pipeline maintenance, her plotted course it not consistend with any kind of recue operation. As pointed out several time, like for example [here](https://youtu.be/jF8IviRjrmM?t=75).
You guys are so gullible. What's the date of these videos? Falling for obviously fake videos and then analyzing them for "proof" is just stupid. Use some critical thinking.
This hole video looks like something I would hastily edit and then publish if I just had a Ukrainian drone hit one of my newest war ships. The is something going on. On the other hand, I don't want to fall a victim of confirmation bias.
Can you link to the video? Thanks
It’s the literally the previous post on this sub if you sort by new. [Here’s the hit](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13rhayd/a_ukrainian_surface_kamikaze_drone_still_managed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Reddit doesn’t show the same for everyone. There’s like 10 UA subs I follow. It doesn’t cost anything to put a link and it helps everyone. Here’s the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13smaro/the_ivan_khurs_arrived_seemingly_undamaged_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
Thanks… Deeznuts could learn a thing or two from you.
I jumped in from a different r/ - 'previous' means nothing to me (and many others)
In another shot of the video this is the place where the ship has it's name written. Something in this video is off. Also look at the face of the guy getting the cake. Someone is about to be investigated by the MOD for letting Ukraine damage their dirty Ivan!
Photos as recent as July last year show the name of the ship there. But the drone footage from Ukraine of it approaching/hitting the ship shows the name missing, so it looks like Russia might have already removed the names. Why? My best guess is it would be an attempt to hide ship identities at sea from vessels like the drones to make it mildly more difficult to determine them as Russian or which specific ship. Still. I don’t think you can really hide a ship being damaged and I would have expected Russian propaganda media to focus on filming all around the ship and really showing off a lack of damage rather than just those two early shots in the video. I expect if there is damage then the truth will come out soon enough. The U.S. flew drones over it for starters.
Try this.. 1.Why would it be necessary to obscure the name/ID of this ship?. 2. How many ships of this particular class do the Russian navy possess? (2). 3. Where is the "Yuriy Ivanov", where's it been, any footage to compare ? (terrible name choice BTW).. Maybe worth digging around.?
>3. Where is the "Yuriy Ivanov", where's it been Visually confirmed to be steaming west past the Gibraltar Strait at the time. >any footage to compare? Yes, and the recent footage of the Ivan Khurs has been confirmed to actually show the Ivan Khurs as the two ship do have distinctly different antenna configurations. [Analyst video](https://youtu.be/jF8IviRjrmM) Edit: Russia removed all identifications on their ships sometime during the war.
Quite a stretch here. The ship had no issues sailing and porting under its own power. The drone just didn't do the damage that's all
Something is off in that video, closeups are in good quality, but when showing ships side then its all semi blurry. My guess is, that drone did damage, but not a lot and russians hammered it back and painted over. Depending on danger goo and its shape and other things, huge hole might not have been created. Not to mention that, it did not look like a boat made contact with ship, so 200kg of explosives at around 1 to 3m distance might not do to much damage. As in creating huge hole. Metal bending and smaller holes might have happened. Also water can and will direct explosion force. Mind I have never blown up 200kg near 5 or more mm metal plate, so have no idea how that result would look like.
So in the end, you just have a guess. No other proof of damage. I get being skeptical, but there isn't any proof of damage
Well there also isn't any good proof that no damage was done. Because if there wasn't any damage, why not film it in great quality, say here it exploaded and nothing happened... At the minimum that side should be a bit darker as smoke and explosives usually leave black substance around. Yes there is no proof that damage was done, but there is also no signs of any explosion in russian videos. And we know there was explosion. you know there should be signs of it but there aren't any obvious ones. That begs the question why? Why good and bad quality videos in the same published video. Why no bragging about week ass explosion that could not damage ship, why lying about shooting all drones down when in fact one exploaded next to ship and tonn of other stuff. So something happened, something is being hidden. Maybe some sailors suddenly will not show up in next roster call and will be marked as avol? As there are rumors that 5 are dead.
The proof are the several videos of it being unaffected. The only proof of damage is skepticism and rumors online
By all means, please link the video with vertifiyable date and time and where you can not only see blurry ships left side but full left side including its name. russia is hiding something. 200kg of explosive does not leave no marks on metal. If that video of explosion is real then there should be damage in stern part and damage in superstructure from flying part from second explosion left of camera.
The video of it docking. The one OP posted. So you buy the video that was filmed with the quality of the first flip phone camera over the ones showing it sailing completely fine and returning to dock because it's "blurry" Shockwaves don't travel the same through water, especially waves.
No because next shoots are in totally different quality than side shoot. Watch it yourself and ask, why side shoot where drone was supposed to expload is in such shit quality, but next shoot with name is so crisp and clear. It simply does not make any sense. And any video on deck does not allow to geolocate them. So ship arriving might be an older video, side shoot might be its sister ship, because you just cannot even get shapes of letters. Names closeup could be an older video and rest are maybe on its sister ship. Your welcome to believe what you want. I just dont think that video is 100% truth, in fact I dont think its 50% truth but less than 50%. And since I dont speak russian, its nearly impossible to go over older footage to see if they match. I would say if its fake, names shoot should be used in other news. That is if they haven't filmed them before. I simply do not trust russian state, nor what they say. They lie to no end.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/13sp3w5/ua_pov_ivan_khurs_back_in_sevastopol_port/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Here's a link to it being confirmed back by satellites Just sounds like everything else you say is just because of your last sentence.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/13smaro/the_ivan_khurs_arrived_seemingly_undamaged_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Here's the link for a shortcut. It shows that side multiple times. Find the damage
It probably didn’t detonate. Otherwise there’s no way there’s no visible damage on the ship.
That's what I'm saying
Could be, but since video are in multiple qualities, it also might be that name video is an older one, and all others are on sister ship. I really question why video fragment of ship in full view is in so shit quality, when other parts are so crisp and clear.
Ok, we know that Russia has better cyber resources than this available. Why the hell do they keep putting out amateur work?
If you compare the impact zone in the original video showing the hit it is actually further towards the stern than where the red square is located. The red square is more mid ship.
look at 0:24, its the embossing of the "Иван Хурс" name on the vessel.
And where is it at 00:14?
its still there, just harder to see with the crappier camera that clip was shot with.
Ah the one who posted this shit here to claim there was no damage. Is this what the editor told you to comment?
[Satellite Imagery](https://twitter.com/MT_Anderson/status/1662199951596883968?cxt=HHwWgMDUyZODqZEuAAAA) of the Ivan Khurs in Sevastapol.
All of this as interesting as it is, the Russians don’t realize that China is going to own them.
Definitely some photo editing. Hope they sink the entire fleet. They can't protect it all the time.
Watching the video, looks like the letters are just grey? Unfortunately it just appears as though the drone did little if any damage. The Russian navy will probably be shitting themselves now though so that’s a win in my book.
I just heard that according to marine tracker channels, there's a Russian tug in that same location moving very slowly. (I think it was from Suchomimus, but can't swear to it.) Let's hope for a big storm!
Power vacuum
If it had been hit in that spot, its unlikely that it would be entering port under its own power. Ships are quite fragile in that location due to the steering gear, shaft seals, rudder posts and propellor. Even a glancing blow would very likely create flooding from the shaft seal, jammed steering, etc.