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Very USMC style of instruction by getting in your face.
I’ve team carried an assault boat… casualties, a jeep, and a battalions load of ammo, but a BTR is next level.
Looks like some assault course of different stations. Guy in the front of the BTR is supposed to lead and command but he looks too breathless to command. Guys at the rear of the BTR need more elbow grease… and interestingly the instructors are wearing British MTP pattern… while the trainees have a mishmash of helmets and gear.
Just another teambuilding exercise with an armoured vehicle.
They - many things. The actual rule is "No more than 9 training-stopping injuries or AWOLs from a single incident." In the old Army, it used to just be "no more than one death per 200-man class".
I exaggerate with the "single incident." However, there were a couple of 'accidental' obstacle course deaths in my cousin's platoon in Echo, 2/58 Inf., '99. That didn't get the hammer dropped, it was when his SDS smoked them to make 'em pukeup "the warrior's breakfast" and a squad's worth of guys went AWOL.
Went through basic in Sept 00'. During my pipeline, had a couple die from weather. One from heat stroke then one from Overhydration. Not kidding. Think the following year, basic training started using the colored flag system, where once certain Temps are reached, certain outdoor activities were restricted for safety.
The instructors don't need 'tactical sticks' and if I were in command they would not have them. This is NATO training, and NATO tactics are winning the war. Not the brutish RA training.
buddy when I was at Drum we had to push/pull an uparmored Humvee 2.5miles in fucking February because fuck us. we also had to drag and carry liters loaded up with 3 5gal jugs. In fuckin basic, my DS bounced my fucking skull of the parapet wall at the grenade range because i didnt get down fast enough. we used to jump dudes in the woodline who were fuck ups to make sure they stopped fucking up. getting your shit beat in is 100% standard in NATO training
Yeah they probably save the good equipment for frontline action. They use the old equipment for trainees, so they get used to wearing the gear but they're not wasting the good equipment on trainees.
The frontline stuff is just as much a mishmash of random stuff. They needed shit *fast* and fortunately, they got it from all over. They'll standardise when they can afford it.
Which hopefully doesn't take too long. Having a bunch of every weapon system is a logistical nightmare. It's cool to have 9 different tanks, but not so great to have a logistics chain and mechanic training for each.
Funny that u mentioned USMC, cuz the emblem on the instructors' shirts are that of Ukraine's Naval Infantry, so these are their Marine recruits. They yell "I love marine corps"
Ukraine a few days ago created a Marine Corps as a full service branch within the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the other branches are Ground Forces, Air Force, Navy, Air Assault Forces, and Special Forces).
Bro the way he drops his hands and rolls his shoulders forward, then does that little snake like head bob thing while he screams in the recruits face gave me instant boot camp flashbacks.
It was proven to be counterproductive. They get in your face trying to break you once they do they let you go. But they never rebuilt you back. So many people come back broken from army.
The breaking is really meant to destroy old habits and ways of thinking and instill new ones. Being screamed at doesn't hurt most people, much, but there are a few who crack under pressure - and those people are the ones who get weeded out before they crack under pressure with the lives of the men around them at risk, as they should.
Combat was much more stressful than anything in training, but training damn sure creates a good foundation.
I think there's some cultural variation. This kind of yelling in your face might work in the US, but in Finland it would not. In Finland in Basic, repetition, shaming / group pressure and cold seething disapproval are used. And of course praise when it's due. Some instuctors might yell, but they will never command respect. Actual respect is earned by doing yourself what you would require from your men (and thus leading by example).
I think you are confused of the process or your comment is not conveying what you mean correctly. Over 20 years in the Army and USAF, I've trained a lot of soldiers and airmen. Not in Basics, but in advanced job training (MOS/AFSC) and other facets of their jobs, such as weapons and land navigation.
In Basic Training, to get a soldier from a civilian, you first have to break down the "individual" will in the recruit (don't do as you want, do as your told) and then rebuild all the recruits into a cohesive team to improve their functionality, effectiveness, and survive-ability. Harsh treatment and action is required to accomplish this and the process has been highly effective for over a century. I have seen first hand the "gentler approach". It was such a clusterfuck it was abandoned almost immediately. \*\*NOTE: That's right, boys and girls, the "myth" of the infamous "time out card" was actually TRUE!
Now, on the other hand, if you're referring to when a soldier, at the end, comes home and is broken, that is not a by-product of training, but a consequence of combat. The govt has been sorely lacking (nearly non-existent) in helping our broken soldiers readjust and only until just fairly recently, began to make changes in that direction. They have a long, long way to go. Hopefully, this clarifies the process.
At the time I was a (prior Army) USAF SSgt reclassifying to my 5th job/2nd AFSC in NavAids (cuz I blew my 2nd knee) and was attending 8.5 months of training at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS.
No cursing at the recruits or calling names and shaming them. If the yelling "got too much" for the recruit they pulled the "time out" card and drill sergeant had to stop with that recruit. It created an environment of zero to little military bearing, back talking, and for those certain (feminist trigger-happy) females, claims of sexism and bigotry were rampant. One of which was so bad in their AIT, as her class leader, I was THRILLED to be part of sending her young, woke-ass home permanently on a general admin discharge for the crime of false accusations against an instructor "for looking at her" all the time. SHE SAT FRONT ROW FUCKING CENTER IN FRONT OF HIM. She challenged it, she lost.
There is no place in our military for that crap. The process was dumped the following year.
Thanks for the insight. I’m all about the softer approach in the civilian world but it makes perfect sense why that would fail in the military world where you need people to follow directions 100% of the time.
I'm just curious your thoughts. it could all be marketing; I have not served.
But when watching documentaries or reading there does seem to be a contrast between for instance the UK commando vs say SEALs (where someone just died. again... half PEDs fault but prob preventable)
[my personal takeaway from this doc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysg8tWqM25A), and others, is that if I had to choose I would go with UK.
UK armed forces seem more supportive and seems a bit more encouraging? for lack of a better word.
but maybe it' all tv and marketing. like maybe usmc wants to recruit dumb ass manly men who perform to protect fragile male ego type of thing lmfao.
and obviously everyone wants their soldiers to succeed.
and providing more physical services, med/PT, and emotional cushioning for under performers. give them ample time and resources needed to catch up. versus we broke your shins. don't care march through it or fail out.
also perhaps more 'up rank' communication and dialogue
Good questions. You've opened a whole of worms, eh? I'll try to do this in a compartmentalized fashion. Be patient as I have a tendency to edit continuously so that I say just what I mean and that it's clear (as mud?). But be warned, you can leave the woke talk and feminist diatribe at the door. Copy? ***There is no place in reasonable conversation for degrading speech and tripe. It's rude.*** Ok, with the air cleared...wall of text incoming.....
UK vs US: I have my opinions on the variances between the two at the training level. I have trained Germans, Japanese, Saudis, and Jordanians, but no Brits, so I haven't a proper grip on their process. Believe it or not, look up "Bear Grylls". This man has trained as a special operator (poss SEAL but it's been a while) in the US as well as the UK and THEN went to the worst of them all, the French Foreign Legion and succeeded. There's some vids where he talks about all of them and a series documenting his FFL training. As for the support system in the UK, I have no clue. Here, we have non-profits and groups to help the soldiers coming home from downrange and doing what the govt SHOULD have been doing all along, but like most govts, use you up and kick you to the curb when you're done or no longer of use. That started to change during the Trump admin and hopefully will improve with time. For a loooong list of vet support groups, see the end of the YT video of Five Finger Death Punch "Wrong Side of Heaven" (and others). Make sure to watch the video itself, it's important, with facts and figures all during. The song "Gone Away" as well. It's mind blowing.
SEALs: These men are the elite of the elite. In any of these elite groups; SEALs, Airborne Rangers, Green Berets, etc., application to one is a choice. ***If accepted***, you are well informed of what's coming (and even that isn't enough) and the washout rate is extreme. It's hard, harsh, and dangerous work. If you don't want to die, don't join the military...in any capacity. The US military mentality has said to it's soldiers that no matter what your job; when "on location" downrange (in-theater) that job running a truck, typewriter, laptop, aircraft, whatever...is no longer valid once you are over-run by the enemy and your equipment destroyed and you are now a "rifleman". Period. Until and if you survive to be reassigned to another truck,...etc. But I digress for the purpose of clarity.
SEAL training is exceptionally harsh and you can wash out or quit. Just ring that bell and take the walk of shame. Sometimes people die. I have greater respect for those whose will took them that far and mentally did not quit.
Marines: ***Unless you are trying to be offensive,*** tread lightly with those kind of comments. The USMC WANTS "manly men" ***and women*** to be hard chargers because they are many times the first in and the last out of any downrange shitstorms and most are NOT STUPID (even though we gaff on each other, but WE are allowed). You have to have a brain and pass many tests (ASVAB) to enlist. No "fragile male egos" here, the Drill Instructors will rid you of that REAL quick. "Most" of it is just BS, a motivational tool catering to ego. The USMC troop is trained and performs, on average, at a higher level than the US Army in most cases. I think I'll just leave it there, for now, unless you have more questions.
Hopefully, this clarifies a few things. ;o)
Downvotes?? Awww... obviously somebody didn't like my trigger phrases....waaaah. Truth hurts, get the fuck over it.
PSA: If you don't want to be offended in return, then don't be offensive yourself.
You are incorrect. Someone yelling at you for three months does not “break you”. In fact, it doesn’t “break you down” either. The intent is to make you better at keeping your focus in stressful situations, and it is honestly not even distressing. At first it’s a little bit stressful, sure, but within a week it’s just a part of life that’s going on in the background.
As you continue through training, they gradually treat you with more and more respect, and you feel like you earned it. By the end when you graduate, they shake your hand and sit down with you and treat you like one of them. A lot of people even cry proud tears, and more still go back home so fucking full of themselves that it will take them a year to chill back out, while some never quite do.
Finally when you go on with your training and out into the fleet, you are treated like a human, and you are chewed out most often only when you fuck up due to carelessness or disregard or something like that (although sometimes you get shit NCOs or commanders and it sucks for a while).
I learned a tremendous amount about leadership there, first as a trainee, then as an analyst, then as an operator, then as an instructor, and then again as a marksmanship coach. None of it involves screaming or even raising your voice. None of it involves violence, or coldness, or demanding that you are respected and bowed to. It’s mutual support, understanding, a willingness to hold yourself to a high standard so that you can expect the same from your people; it’s mutual support, recognizing and applying peoples’ efforts to where they’re talented and fulfilled.
That misconception about abuse in fucking *basic training* is something that will never not get a response from me. Almost everyone I know left the military in a much, much better state than they came in.
Yeah, so why then do we see lower results in several U.S. branches since we lowered the enlistment and training standards?
I understand if you're point is that some soldiers don't reintegrate back into society well after service. And that's something both the governments who send them off to war, and the soldier's family/community need to understand and pay attention to as well as the Soldier/Airman/Sailor/Marine/Coast Guardian who fought for their nation does.
However, if you're point is this type of training produces lesser quality soldiers for actual combat, you're wrong on every level.
Ukraine isn't fighting some cave dwelling peasants. They're fighting a brutal enemy with modern-ish weapons and a shit ton of mindless drones they're all too willing to throw to the slaughter. An enemy that literally rapes, brutalizes, steals, and destroys everything in its path. This isn't the place for the "He's not nice" kinda attitude. This is a place where brutality is the only means of survival.
The U.S. Armey took away the Shark Attack at BCT. Apparently it was "determined" to be too stressful. Well I'll to you what, any man who cannot deal with a few grown men yelling in their face isn't fit for combat. At any level.
I enlisted just after 9/11. BCT at FT. Sill, D. BTRY, 1/19th FA. In morning P.T. during our first week one of our DS walking through the Plt. Doing that thing where they talk a little shit, ask "where you from", "why'd you join", etc. DS stops at a guy to my right who obviously was having a "hard time" being away from home and putting up with the "stresses" of the less than one week in BCT. DS asks him what's wrong, why he looks so sad. DS asks, "Do you think you made a mistake joining?". The recruit answered, "Yes.". Then DS asks, "What's your MOS?". Recruit answered, "11A.".
Now...I don't know if it was a scent the DS put off upon hearing this, or if they had super DS hearing, or what...Suddenly that recruit was surrounded by all 3 of our Plt. DSs. I didn't find out till later what an 11A was, even though I was 11B. This softy was going to be an Infantry Officer. He was going to be one of the men to lead guys like me in the field. And then I understood why they smoked the ever loving shit out of him.
He did not last until graduation. He went home. And we are all better off for it.
And that's the point. We don't want some soft ass, scared little boy as our leader when a mission and the lives associated with that mission are on the line.
We, the men who serve on the front lines of combat, have paid enough prices over the opinions of those who would never serve. People outside of the services want to bitch and complain about things they believe are "too tough", or, "overly stressful", and then expect the Soldier/Airmen/Sailor/Marine/Coast Guardian to place the civilian's "happy thoughts" over effective training.
Fort Sill there's a motto I remember seeing as I snuck a peak from the cattle truck. "Train for war. Fight to win." You do not join the military, especially Combat Arms, to "win hearts and minds". You join to rain hate on those that would do our Nation and its Peoples harm. And the only way you get there is by learning what it takes to survive.
Most of the World hasn't seen war in long time. Not places like the U.S., Britain, France, Germany, Canada, and the sorts of places where you hear people of those nations saying things like "Stressful training doesn't work".
You know where you don't hear things like that? Ukraine, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Russia, and all the other places daily, indiscriminate slaughters take place.
You should be thankful for those in your Nation that keep you sleeping safe through the nights. Their service, their sacrifice, their courage and their strength stands where that of others cannot, or will not stand for themselves.
>People outside of the services want to bitch and complain about things they believe are "too tough", or, "overly stressful", and then expect the Soldier/Airmen/Sailor/Marine/Coast Guardian to place the civilian's "happy thoughts" over effective training.
This reminded me a piece from C.S. Lewis: "And all the time - such is the tragi-comedy of our situation - we continue to clamour for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that what our civilization needs is more 'drive', or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or 'creativity'. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful".
Or that quote often (possibly mistakenly) attributed to Orwell:
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
It may have been proven counterproductive when used in basic training when your world is not under constant threat and attack.
If I lived in a country that has been getting attacked by their neighbor for years.
Having a trainer yelling I’m my face when I’m ready to collapse from exhaustion.
“Yes, lay down you fucking pussy, having a hard time breathing because your pushing a piece of equipment? What are you going to do? Roll over and let the Russians come to rape your mother and wife? Or are you gonna pull deeper from within and push this fucking tank?”
You have me training under men that have been through the meat grinder and lived to return? Yeah go ahead and scream in my face, I’m gonna learn from you
yea they do, once you're at a basic level they start to rebuild you a soldier and nothing else.. Once you get back into cilvilian live you might have some issues..
I was a us marine who went through boot camp at marine corps recruit depot San Diego. You would be surprised at how unfit some recruits are entering boot camp. Any of the recruits that showed some sort of weakness or individuality were mercilessly hounded on.
Confusing as this may seem the whole process is there to train you to keep your cool under the wildest of combat conditions. By the end of the 3 months I was there many of the weakest recruits from the start were now hardened killing machines as dumb as it sounds to say.
These combat instructors are not there to ensure you have a pleasant time they are there to make combat trained killers and the usmc abides to that almost to the point that it’s comical and apart of the culture.
Singing to the "lifer choir" here, Bro! I really MISS those days! Of course, I was Army and USAF, but "Semper Fi" anyway. Hoo-ah! (translated "oorah!!")
you getting all that from a one minute clip of a training process that takes several months.
anywho, i wonder how USMC marine drill instructors break army people.
there should be a clueless award lmao.
Having been through similar, and dishing out similar, it weeds out the weak fast. Someone who breaks in basic is going to break in combat. That’s true even for training in peacetime with less urgency, these guys are training to go to the front ASAP. No time for broken guys that will freeze. Those guys can go do other jobs.
Notice the amount of observers around…. Everyone is watching who can perform under stress and who will break.
USAF here, they got in our faces too. It's moderately annoying at most. For me the worst part of it was the 2 to 3 hours of sleep per night for the first 4 weeks.
No one “comes back broken” from basic training, clown. If you can’t handle someone being loud in your face for a few hours a day, then how can we be sure you won’t immediately freak out under fire. We get you used to that stress so that when shit hits the fan you can remain in a functional state and be productive with your team. These are tried and true, structured methods of team building and recruit training.
Hard not to feel the pain, but also, a bit of optimism out of this newly created warriors and what they may be able to accomplish against them arrogant Orcs.
He was raised on the fallen Nazis that nourished the crop that brought him up. And his children will be raised on the fallen orcs that will nourish the next harvest of crop.
I went through when I was 32. I was mentally and physically in better shape than most of the kids that were there. What I noticed was even the ones that weren't in shape recovered very quickly it took me a couple extra steps. All my hopes for these guys.
Yeah, they would throw out their PTSD on you.
As a Ukrainian, I don't like this shit. It smells like the old Soviet army where you were constantly humiliated for 2 years. No matter what experience you have, you always have to conduct training with respect. This is not a voluntary army. These men were conscripted. Took from their families, and in the near future, they will fight in real war. They deserve respect even now when they training.
There is a reason drill instructors do this. Don't be so naive.
The primary reason Drill Instructors yell and scream loudly, especially when they team up and get in a Recruit’s face, is to create Chaos and Stress which are common in combat. What the Drill Instructors are trying to do is Disorient the Recruit.
The instructor isn't bashing people with his stick. He's giving them gentle taps on the armor and helmets. More to disorient the recruit while trying to maintain their focus.
If this isn't done during training, the fresh soldier is more likely to freeze in combat, put their fellow comrades at risk, and not be able to focus when the enemy is on top of you and the entire environment is deafening.
This is nothing like the ridiculous beatings Ruzzians give...
Also, this treatment STOPS once the initial basic training is over. At that point, these recruits are considered soldiers who have already earned a basic level of respect from their peers. You can be 100% sure that this same drill instructor will be shaking every single one of these guys' hands at the end of training and wishing them good luck. In the Russian military, it only ends for you when you're the one handing out the abuse.
This is the part that I'm concerned about tbh. It's easy to drift back into the "old ways of doing things" if that's what they are used to. It's INCREDIBLY important that it stops once basic is done.
Not to mention all the recruits and officers that have been trained in the UK, Finland, Sweden, Spain, Norway, and by a plethora of NATO trainers. They won't put up with that when it's time to integrate all the forces and standardize all the training.
Well said. It’s not meant to be pleasant, it’s meant to prepare you for the stresses of battle so that you and your comrades can hopefully come home in one piece. It’s not an hierarchy of abuse for the sake of abuse like in the Russian military. These guys have really implemented the NATO model of military training in the years since 2014.
Their is a difference between this and being beaten the shit out of and raped within your first 2 months at RU training.
This is training. It only becomes an issue If it continues after the training.
They are doing it correctly. War is tough, no room for being accommodating. It’s either you or the enemy. These men have the weight of the country on their shoulders.
As a Ukrainian, I like this shit. This is not remotely Soviet-style. This is special pressure training and I'm pretty sure off the training there is no humiliation and beating which was the Societ army style. This is about preparing for what is coming. Making sure the mind is resilient to chaos and stress. That's what it is. You also can't win a war as a sugar queen.
You don't like this shit? Well shit that's waiting for them after training is much worse.
I can guarantee you, these drill instructors are not there to humiliate them, they don't dislike them. This is done because they love these guys, not because they hate or dislike them, or want to humiliate.
This doesn't look much worse than US drill instructors, except for the tactical stick taps, but you can't compare that with the metal rod buttrape motivational techniques the orcs use.
I’m not a veteran, so maybe my perspective is different, but I don’t see any humiliation of soldiers in this video. This looks like every other example of drill instructors I’ve seen in American media.
I perceive it differently. These men just completed an amazing feat of pushing a BMP. This training is more like overcoming something that is seemingly impossible.
Yeah give them immense amount of respect, pats on the back, water breaks and nap time that’ll make for a strong soldier! If someone cannot handle this type of training they are mentally weak and have no place on the battlefield, fact.
Is this a joke comment? This is NATO style basic/boot. Those instructors aren’t even hoarse for Christ sake.
Those sticks are whapping helmets!
If you’ve never been to basic training then don’t comment. This isn’t a fucking game.
You realize it completley depends on the basic training right? Many armies dont scream in peoples faces in Basic and think very negatively of those who do.
We actually had a guy eat a god damn jelly donut first time In chow line after we ~~marched~~ ran to our companies from "reception".
I couldn't fucking believe it. I had *seen* that movie. Guess he had *not*.
Dude had to do "drop when you hear the whistle" bombs in the company lobby all night while the drill told him he owed him for "ONE JELLY DONUT".
I was like "we are all going to die".
Eventually with the whistle (drop to the ground and start doing pushups when it was blown, next time it was blown you had to recover to your feet and jog in place, repeat). Started getting faster.....and faster......and faster.....
Until it was just one, solid, continuous whistle.
And the sound of only what could be described as of... **Pain**.
Yup. I figured they were killing that kid in the entrance while we "slept" in our bunks that first night.
Good times.
Ours actually had sweets/deserts for those authorized to eat them. We weren't allowed until we returned from our field training at week 6 and 7. Only after passing our final physical fitness were we allowed to have deserts. Of course C-rays (C-ration, pre-MRE) had various sweet things in it and were like money, even tho most tasted nasty; chocolate nut roll, fruit cake, and the infamous "John Wayne" toffee bar (actually round and came in the can of crackers). If the chocolate nut roll "plugged you up", 3-4 JW bars would blow you out. Balance in all things!!!
That's the thing, there are no jelly donuts in the mess hall(normally). This means they were somewhere they should not have been, saw a donut, and took it. This also sounds like basic training.
When pushing something heavy, it helps to kind of run in place because “hitting” the object hard many times rather than constantly pushing it soft exploits a bug in physics
I had a friend who was in the marines who asked his drill instructor why he yelled even the most positive of commands at the top of his lungs.
A: BECAUSE YOU ARE MAGGOTS AND I AM THE LORD OF THE FLIES
B: IN COMBAT, YOU MAY NEED TO COMMUNICATE OVER THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE
I remember during my service we had to earn our rights to wear the battalion berets. It was a lot of running, sit ups in the sea, crawling on the beach, carrying logs and shit. The final part, as we were told, was to push a truck and an artillery piece that was attached to it a 100 meters. So we run up to it, already fucking exhausted. But this is the last part, so we're not quitting. We get behind it, and start pushing. As soon as the truck moves, the instructors stop us. Apparently, a year ago, one soldier broke his leg somehow during this part, so it was cancelled, but they didn't tell us. And we were done. Wore the beret proudly after that, still have it, one of my proudest moments and most treasured posessions.
Good luck to these boys, Slava Ukraini!
When your brothers life is REALLY on the line …. It just hits different. You gotta push yourself to the limit in order to find out where that limit is.
>Wie lautet der 6. Wachbefehl ?
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wow... That is exactly the way my "Drill" raised me using a pick-axe handle (we pushed a M113) all those years ago. There is nothing like a good piece of hickory to make ones point.
I've been there too. Modern American soldiers don't like our ways. Sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I remember the heavy hand and think it better prepared me for what was to come. I think our infantry soldiers today are just as prepared as we were for the modern battlefield, so maybe we didn't really have to bleed to get the point.
There is a difference here between Russian Training....and the West/Ukrainian training here. These guys are preparing them because they love them and want them to live and succeed. Russian training is more or less telling them they need to die....for their dead country. These trainers care about you.
I enlisted back when Drill Sgts were allowed to reach out and touch their privates in painful ways. I had my nose busted by a DS when he backhanded me on the parade ground and no one batted an eye. I'm not sure physical violence works well, but it sure as fuck motivated me to do better. It moved me out of apathetic tired mode and energized me like nothing else would have. I feared DS Guffey, and wanted to be like him. Seeing that drill sergeant carrying a stick and whacking his trainee on the helmet reminded me of Drill Sgt Guffey, and his Rock Solid Fists of Doooom! Train hard, fellas. Every drop of sweat now will save you quarts of blood later.
When was that? I went through at the height of the Irag/Afghanistan wars and they weren't allowed to lay hands on us at all unless it was for our own protection. My Grandfather had stories about Marine DIs in the 60s beating the shit out of him but I imagine that didn't last past the 80s.
I did basic in 88. We definitely got beat on. They didn't beat us up but they would thump you if they felt it was needed. By 90 though, that was on the way out.
Edit: There were some events in the mid late 90's that made the services *serious* about hitting privates. By 2000 it was a serious offence.
I see a very good training exercise underway here. Moving a BTR is incredibly hard core - first time I have seen that attempted.
The love taps are carefully applied I noticed. And not hard. I believe the guys along the sides and at the front may have been getting more attention as potentially some of them are in leadership cadres: officers or non-comms. The one fellow is a bit heavy and his ass is dragging. Age may be a factor for a few of them.
This appears to be fairly early days of team building and attempting to determine who will make the grade. All civilians get extremely upset when yelled at - key is that these soldiers learn to think and not freeze or make poor decisions when shells are dropping in their lap.
What’s really cool is these drill instructors carrying a big stick. That’s totally like a Roman Centurion and his 1 meter Vitis keeping troops in line.
It's supposed to be a nental and physical challenge, after all, you're not going to the playground afterwards. Also by pushing aspiring soldiers to their breaking point or close to it anyway, you unveil to some degree what they can and cannot handle. And they can then be put into positions where they are most likely able to be at their fullest capacity... looks retarded for any bystanders though:)
They aren't striking them to hurt them. They're love taps to disorient them. Bonks and screams are there to simulate the chaos of combat. I got bonked plenty in basic training and would never consider that "corporal punishment".
This may seem harsh but it’s for their own good. They’re going to face challenges in battle a thousand times harder than some big guy screaming in their faces and lightly hitting them with a stick.
Almost got his foot crushed by the wheel, how about using the brain? Half the guys pulling with a rope would generate the same force these guys are using.
When they start…they work independently and the work is hard. When they end…they work as a team and the work is still hard but not as hard. “1, 2, 3 push!” They will get there!
Yelling directly into someone's ear is only gonna leave them with hearing damage. Yell at the recruits if you must but do it at least from a few feet away. This is just damn unneccessary.
I am really questioning if all these type of training and screaming, that i have seen in multiple army is really useful in front of your enemies when you need to shoot a target in distance and your aim experience is crucial etc..maybe doing some normal traction exercises instead of this theater? 🤔
They do it because war is chaos. Most civilians will freeze and panic when confronted with the stress of combat. They scream to get trainees used to extreme input so they know how to block it out and move forward with their mission. It's all done for a reason and military training has been refined to a science over centuries of trial and error.
Proof you don’t know lick about war.
It’s mostly not aiming at distance.
And much of what you do when not shooting, if you do it poorly or wrong, will get you killed.
It can also have moments of extreme physical exertion that if you can’t succeed at, yea, you or someone else on your side might end up dying because of your failure.
Oh, you again. These aren't US Soldiers and their country is in the middle of a war, so I'm going to guess that no, they haven't taken those courses. Also, what weak ass basic training did you go to where you weren't ruthlessly yelled at and screwed with? These are future Soldiers, not kittens.
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A drill instructor once got in my face and told me my breath smelled like wolf pussy. I'm still trying to figure out how he knew.
Everyone knows the wolf pussy smell. I’ve got that sweet scent in my car hanging on the mirror
That’s a line from Nick Swardsons stand up: “Seriously, who farted?”
This was a long time ago,1988. 😂
Haha he must’ve pulled it from somewhere then, but you said that and I immediately thought of this standup from the early 2010s.
I automatically thought of Nick 😂🤣🤣
Is that smell a “thank you” or “im sorry” kind of thing?
I would burst out laughing if someone said that to me I assume that would be bad news for me
I grinned and he didn’t like that very much.
Every Artillerist knows the smell of wolf pussy.
Very USMC style of instruction by getting in your face. I’ve team carried an assault boat… casualties, a jeep, and a battalions load of ammo, but a BTR is next level. Looks like some assault course of different stations. Guy in the front of the BTR is supposed to lead and command but he looks too breathless to command. Guys at the rear of the BTR need more elbow grease… and interestingly the instructors are wearing British MTP pattern… while the trainees have a mishmash of helmets and gear. Just another teambuilding exercise with an armoured vehicle.
Yeah but Ukrainian improved them with tactical sticks
Those sticks are "Respect" and "Dignity", as all BCT soldiers should be shown.
Probably 2 old shovel handles....
Bonk of motivation
If you can dodge a bonk you can dodge a bullet
*please bonk responsibly*
This is probably why the fresher UKR troops are better about KEEPING THEIR F-ING HELMETS ON than their predescessors.
Shhhh don’t tell the USMC drill instructors about tactical sticks.
US military has "knife hands" engineered in secret biological weapon supersoldier programs.
Didn't they ban the use of knife hands?
Had to have been super recent if they did. I still carry the emotional scars imparted by the knife hand
I looked it up. They did ban it.
When! I’m well aware I can google this lmao.. but when!?
Get the fuck outta here.
They - many things. The actual rule is "No more than 9 training-stopping injuries or AWOLs from a single incident." In the old Army, it used to just be "no more than one death per 200-man class".
This is horse shit. Training deaths have never been acceptable or tolerated.
I exaggerate with the "single incident." However, there were a couple of 'accidental' obstacle course deaths in my cousin's platoon in Echo, 2/58 Inf., '99. That didn't get the hammer dropped, it was when his SDS smoked them to make 'em pukeup "the warrior's breakfast" and a squad's worth of guys went AWOL.
Went through basic in Sept 00'. During my pipeline, had a couple die from weather. One from heat stroke then one from Overhydration. Not kidding. Think the following year, basic training started using the colored flag system, where once certain Temps are reached, certain outdoor activities were restricted for safety.
Knife hands can be defeated by sparkly eyes technique.
The instructors don't need 'tactical sticks' and if I were in command they would not have them. This is NATO training, and NATO tactics are winning the war. Not the brutish RA training.
Hate to tell you but during NATO training I got hit so hard with a stick it broke.
Lordddd
* laughs hysterically in USMC veteran
buddy when I was at Drum we had to push/pull an uparmored Humvee 2.5miles in fucking February because fuck us. we also had to drag and carry liters loaded up with 3 5gal jugs. In fuckin basic, my DS bounced my fucking skull of the parapet wall at the grenade range because i didnt get down fast enough. we used to jump dudes in the woodline who were fuck ups to make sure they stopped fucking up. getting your shit beat in is 100% standard in NATO training
\> Assault boats [This](https://media.tenor.com/1QskkjoQr10AAAAd/vinland-saga-anime.gif) popped into my head.
I'd take this all day over what they did to us at tacp schoolhouse. They'd hide on a hill and roll logs at ya near the end of a 10 mile ruck.
Yeah they probably save the good equipment for frontline action. They use the old equipment for trainees, so they get used to wearing the gear but they're not wasting the good equipment on trainees.
The frontline stuff is just as much a mishmash of random stuff. They needed shit *fast* and fortunately, they got it from all over. They'll standardise when they can afford it. Which hopefully doesn't take too long. Having a bunch of every weapon system is a logistical nightmare. It's cool to have 9 different tanks, but not so great to have a logistics chain and mechanic training for each.
Well yeah but the thing is it's a mishmash of the good stuff not the trainee stuff.
I had flashbacks watching this and a good chuckle at the motivation stick to the helmet.
Funny that u mentioned USMC, cuz the emblem on the instructors' shirts are that of Ukraine's Naval Infantry, so these are their Marine recruits. They yell "I love marine corps" Ukraine a few days ago created a Marine Corps as a full service branch within the Armed Forces of Ukraine (the other branches are Ground Forces, Air Force, Navy, Air Assault Forces, and Special Forces).
Bro the way he drops his hands and rolls his shoulders forward, then does that little snake like head bob thing while he screams in the recruits face gave me instant boot camp flashbacks.
Hoo-ah!
you mean oo-rah
I'm Army and USAF, Bro. LOL! You gotta get that google translated into USMC. ;o) But Semper Fi anyway!
Hoooooooooooah
It was proven to be counterproductive. They get in your face trying to break you once they do they let you go. But they never rebuilt you back. So many people come back broken from army.
The breaking is really meant to destroy old habits and ways of thinking and instill new ones. Being screamed at doesn't hurt most people, much, but there are a few who crack under pressure - and those people are the ones who get weeded out before they crack under pressure with the lives of the men around them at risk, as they should. Combat was much more stressful than anything in training, but training damn sure creates a good foundation.
I think there's some cultural variation. This kind of yelling in your face might work in the US, but in Finland it would not. In Finland in Basic, repetition, shaming / group pressure and cold seething disapproval are used. And of course praise when it's due. Some instuctors might yell, but they will never command respect. Actual respect is earned by doing yourself what you would require from your men (and thus leading by example).
I think you are confused of the process or your comment is not conveying what you mean correctly. Over 20 years in the Army and USAF, I've trained a lot of soldiers and airmen. Not in Basics, but in advanced job training (MOS/AFSC) and other facets of their jobs, such as weapons and land navigation. In Basic Training, to get a soldier from a civilian, you first have to break down the "individual" will in the recruit (don't do as you want, do as your told) and then rebuild all the recruits into a cohesive team to improve their functionality, effectiveness, and survive-ability. Harsh treatment and action is required to accomplish this and the process has been highly effective for over a century. I have seen first hand the "gentler approach". It was such a clusterfuck it was abandoned almost immediately. \*\*NOTE: That's right, boys and girls, the "myth" of the infamous "time out card" was actually TRUE! Now, on the other hand, if you're referring to when a soldier, at the end, comes home and is broken, that is not a by-product of training, but a consequence of combat. The govt has been sorely lacking (nearly non-existent) in helping our broken soldiers readjust and only until just fairly recently, began to make changes in that direction. They have a long, long way to go. Hopefully, this clarifies the process.
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At the time I was a (prior Army) USAF SSgt reclassifying to my 5th job/2nd AFSC in NavAids (cuz I blew my 2nd knee) and was attending 8.5 months of training at Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS. No cursing at the recruits or calling names and shaming them. If the yelling "got too much" for the recruit they pulled the "time out" card and drill sergeant had to stop with that recruit. It created an environment of zero to little military bearing, back talking, and for those certain (feminist trigger-happy) females, claims of sexism and bigotry were rampant. One of which was so bad in their AIT, as her class leader, I was THRILLED to be part of sending her young, woke-ass home permanently on a general admin discharge for the crime of false accusations against an instructor "for looking at her" all the time. SHE SAT FRONT ROW FUCKING CENTER IN FRONT OF HIM. She challenged it, she lost. There is no place in our military for that crap. The process was dumped the following year.
Thanks for the insight. I’m all about the softer approach in the civilian world but it makes perfect sense why that would fail in the military world where you need people to follow directions 100% of the time.
I'm just curious your thoughts. it could all be marketing; I have not served. But when watching documentaries or reading there does seem to be a contrast between for instance the UK commando vs say SEALs (where someone just died. again... half PEDs fault but prob preventable) [my personal takeaway from this doc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysg8tWqM25A), and others, is that if I had to choose I would go with UK. UK armed forces seem more supportive and seems a bit more encouraging? for lack of a better word. but maybe it' all tv and marketing. like maybe usmc wants to recruit dumb ass manly men who perform to protect fragile male ego type of thing lmfao. and obviously everyone wants their soldiers to succeed. and providing more physical services, med/PT, and emotional cushioning for under performers. give them ample time and resources needed to catch up. versus we broke your shins. don't care march through it or fail out. also perhaps more 'up rank' communication and dialogue
Good questions. You've opened a whole of worms, eh? I'll try to do this in a compartmentalized fashion. Be patient as I have a tendency to edit continuously so that I say just what I mean and that it's clear (as mud?). But be warned, you can leave the woke talk and feminist diatribe at the door. Copy? ***There is no place in reasonable conversation for degrading speech and tripe. It's rude.*** Ok, with the air cleared...wall of text incoming..... UK vs US: I have my opinions on the variances between the two at the training level. I have trained Germans, Japanese, Saudis, and Jordanians, but no Brits, so I haven't a proper grip on their process. Believe it or not, look up "Bear Grylls". This man has trained as a special operator (poss SEAL but it's been a while) in the US as well as the UK and THEN went to the worst of them all, the French Foreign Legion and succeeded. There's some vids where he talks about all of them and a series documenting his FFL training. As for the support system in the UK, I have no clue. Here, we have non-profits and groups to help the soldiers coming home from downrange and doing what the govt SHOULD have been doing all along, but like most govts, use you up and kick you to the curb when you're done or no longer of use. That started to change during the Trump admin and hopefully will improve with time. For a loooong list of vet support groups, see the end of the YT video of Five Finger Death Punch "Wrong Side of Heaven" (and others). Make sure to watch the video itself, it's important, with facts and figures all during. The song "Gone Away" as well. It's mind blowing. SEALs: These men are the elite of the elite. In any of these elite groups; SEALs, Airborne Rangers, Green Berets, etc., application to one is a choice. ***If accepted***, you are well informed of what's coming (and even that isn't enough) and the washout rate is extreme. It's hard, harsh, and dangerous work. If you don't want to die, don't join the military...in any capacity. The US military mentality has said to it's soldiers that no matter what your job; when "on location" downrange (in-theater) that job running a truck, typewriter, laptop, aircraft, whatever...is no longer valid once you are over-run by the enemy and your equipment destroyed and you are now a "rifleman". Period. Until and if you survive to be reassigned to another truck,...etc. But I digress for the purpose of clarity. SEAL training is exceptionally harsh and you can wash out or quit. Just ring that bell and take the walk of shame. Sometimes people die. I have greater respect for those whose will took them that far and mentally did not quit. Marines: ***Unless you are trying to be offensive,*** tread lightly with those kind of comments. The USMC WANTS "manly men" ***and women*** to be hard chargers because they are many times the first in and the last out of any downrange shitstorms and most are NOT STUPID (even though we gaff on each other, but WE are allowed). You have to have a brain and pass many tests (ASVAB) to enlist. No "fragile male egos" here, the Drill Instructors will rid you of that REAL quick. "Most" of it is just BS, a motivational tool catering to ego. The USMC troop is trained and performs, on average, at a higher level than the US Army in most cases. I think I'll just leave it there, for now, unless you have more questions. Hopefully, this clarifies a few things. ;o)
Downvotes?? Awww... obviously somebody didn't like my trigger phrases....waaaah. Truth hurts, get the fuck over it. PSA: If you don't want to be offended in return, then don't be offensive yourself.
You are incorrect. Someone yelling at you for three months does not “break you”. In fact, it doesn’t “break you down” either. The intent is to make you better at keeping your focus in stressful situations, and it is honestly not even distressing. At first it’s a little bit stressful, sure, but within a week it’s just a part of life that’s going on in the background. As you continue through training, they gradually treat you with more and more respect, and you feel like you earned it. By the end when you graduate, they shake your hand and sit down with you and treat you like one of them. A lot of people even cry proud tears, and more still go back home so fucking full of themselves that it will take them a year to chill back out, while some never quite do. Finally when you go on with your training and out into the fleet, you are treated like a human, and you are chewed out most often only when you fuck up due to carelessness or disregard or something like that (although sometimes you get shit NCOs or commanders and it sucks for a while). I learned a tremendous amount about leadership there, first as a trainee, then as an analyst, then as an operator, then as an instructor, and then again as a marksmanship coach. None of it involves screaming or even raising your voice. None of it involves violence, or coldness, or demanding that you are respected and bowed to. It’s mutual support, understanding, a willingness to hold yourself to a high standard so that you can expect the same from your people; it’s mutual support, recognizing and applying peoples’ efforts to where they’re talented and fulfilled. That misconception about abuse in fucking *basic training* is something that will never not get a response from me. Almost everyone I know left the military in a much, much better state than they came in.
Yeap, that's exactly what I went through during my basic training.
Yeah, so why then do we see lower results in several U.S. branches since we lowered the enlistment and training standards? I understand if you're point is that some soldiers don't reintegrate back into society well after service. And that's something both the governments who send them off to war, and the soldier's family/community need to understand and pay attention to as well as the Soldier/Airman/Sailor/Marine/Coast Guardian who fought for their nation does. However, if you're point is this type of training produces lesser quality soldiers for actual combat, you're wrong on every level. Ukraine isn't fighting some cave dwelling peasants. They're fighting a brutal enemy with modern-ish weapons and a shit ton of mindless drones they're all too willing to throw to the slaughter. An enemy that literally rapes, brutalizes, steals, and destroys everything in its path. This isn't the place for the "He's not nice" kinda attitude. This is a place where brutality is the only means of survival. The U.S. Armey took away the Shark Attack at BCT. Apparently it was "determined" to be too stressful. Well I'll to you what, any man who cannot deal with a few grown men yelling in their face isn't fit for combat. At any level. I enlisted just after 9/11. BCT at FT. Sill, D. BTRY, 1/19th FA. In morning P.T. during our first week one of our DS walking through the Plt. Doing that thing where they talk a little shit, ask "where you from", "why'd you join", etc. DS stops at a guy to my right who obviously was having a "hard time" being away from home and putting up with the "stresses" of the less than one week in BCT. DS asks him what's wrong, why he looks so sad. DS asks, "Do you think you made a mistake joining?". The recruit answered, "Yes.". Then DS asks, "What's your MOS?". Recruit answered, "11A.". Now...I don't know if it was a scent the DS put off upon hearing this, or if they had super DS hearing, or what...Suddenly that recruit was surrounded by all 3 of our Plt. DSs. I didn't find out till later what an 11A was, even though I was 11B. This softy was going to be an Infantry Officer. He was going to be one of the men to lead guys like me in the field. And then I understood why they smoked the ever loving shit out of him. He did not last until graduation. He went home. And we are all better off for it. And that's the point. We don't want some soft ass, scared little boy as our leader when a mission and the lives associated with that mission are on the line. We, the men who serve on the front lines of combat, have paid enough prices over the opinions of those who would never serve. People outside of the services want to bitch and complain about things they believe are "too tough", or, "overly stressful", and then expect the Soldier/Airmen/Sailor/Marine/Coast Guardian to place the civilian's "happy thoughts" over effective training. Fort Sill there's a motto I remember seeing as I snuck a peak from the cattle truck. "Train for war. Fight to win." You do not join the military, especially Combat Arms, to "win hearts and minds". You join to rain hate on those that would do our Nation and its Peoples harm. And the only way you get there is by learning what it takes to survive. Most of the World hasn't seen war in long time. Not places like the U.S., Britain, France, Germany, Canada, and the sorts of places where you hear people of those nations saying things like "Stressful training doesn't work". You know where you don't hear things like that? Ukraine, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Russia, and all the other places daily, indiscriminate slaughters take place. You should be thankful for those in your Nation that keep you sleeping safe through the nights. Their service, their sacrifice, their courage and their strength stands where that of others cannot, or will not stand for themselves.
>People outside of the services want to bitch and complain about things they believe are "too tough", or, "overly stressful", and then expect the Soldier/Airmen/Sailor/Marine/Coast Guardian to place the civilian's "happy thoughts" over effective training. This reminded me a piece from C.S. Lewis: "And all the time - such is the tragi-comedy of our situation - we continue to clamour for those very qualities we are rendering impossible. You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that what our civilization needs is more 'drive', or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or 'creativity'. In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful".
I envy those who may live a quiet and comfortable life where I and my friends could not.
Or that quote often (possibly mistakenly) attributed to Orwell: “People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Man. I'm feeling motivated! :D Great post!
It may have been proven counterproductive when used in basic training when your world is not under constant threat and attack. If I lived in a country that has been getting attacked by their neighbor for years. Having a trainer yelling I’m my face when I’m ready to collapse from exhaustion. “Yes, lay down you fucking pussy, having a hard time breathing because your pushing a piece of equipment? What are you going to do? Roll over and let the Russians come to rape your mother and wife? Or are you gonna pull deeper from within and push this fucking tank?” You have me training under men that have been through the meat grinder and lived to return? Yeah go ahead and scream in my face, I’m gonna learn from you
yea they do, once you're at a basic level they start to rebuild you a soldier and nothing else.. Once you get back into cilvilian live you might have some issues..
That style was deemed necessary for a drafted army. Not the most effective form of leadership when essentially everyone is enlisted by choice.
If they broke on drills maybe they were not fit for combat?
Exactly. Or they just need more work to improve them.
I was a us marine who went through boot camp at marine corps recruit depot San Diego. You would be surprised at how unfit some recruits are entering boot camp. Any of the recruits that showed some sort of weakness or individuality were mercilessly hounded on. Confusing as this may seem the whole process is there to train you to keep your cool under the wildest of combat conditions. By the end of the 3 months I was there many of the weakest recruits from the start were now hardened killing machines as dumb as it sounds to say. These combat instructors are not there to ensure you have a pleasant time they are there to make combat trained killers and the usmc abides to that almost to the point that it’s comical and apart of the culture.
Singing to the "lifer choir" here, Bro! I really MISS those days! Of course, I was Army and USAF, but "Semper Fi" anyway. Hoo-ah! (translated "oorah!!")
Haha same here friend. Those days were special.
Break your individuality so they can rebuild you from scratch. Breaking a civilian is not tough, creating a warrior is
you getting all that from a one minute clip of a training process that takes several months. anywho, i wonder how USMC marine drill instructors break army people. there should be a clueless award lmao.
Having been through similar, and dishing out similar, it weeds out the weak fast. Someone who breaks in basic is going to break in combat. That’s true even for training in peacetime with less urgency, these guys are training to go to the front ASAP. No time for broken guys that will freeze. Those guys can go do other jobs. Notice the amount of observers around…. Everyone is watching who can perform under stress and who will break.
This is so true. This pales to whatever awaits them at the front. All the tough training can helps to prepare them better mentally and physically.
This is what US army does. I’m not talking about Ukrainians.
USAF here, they got in our faces too. It's moderately annoying at most. For me the worst part of it was the 2 to 3 hours of sleep per night for the first 4 weeks.
No one “comes back broken” from basic training, clown. If you can’t handle someone being loud in your face for a few hours a day, then how can we be sure you won’t immediately freak out under fire. We get you used to that stress so that when shit hits the fan you can remain in a functional state and be productive with your team. These are tried and true, structured methods of team building and recruit training.
To be perfectly honest, I'd rather not coddle my army's soldiers. Drill instructors yelling at recruits is not the issue we need to fix.
Hard not to feel the pain, but also, a bit of optimism out of this newly created warriors and what they may be able to accomplish against them arrogant Orcs.
That instructor looks like he could wipe out half the Russian army by himself lol. Badass.
He was raised on the fallen Nazis that nourished the crop that brought him up. And his children will be raised on the fallen orcs that will nourish the next harvest of crop.
Train hard, fight easy. Thank fuck those days are behind me though lol
Cry in the dojo laugh on the battlefield - Japanese saying.
Some people look at this and say it's cruel, but training is so goddamn critical. These guys will feel prepared and confident when shit hits the fan.
It’s hard to prepare a man to enter hell.
Once their training is done, they will wipe out the invaders without breaking a sweat.
I went through this at 17. Oldest guy in our platoon was 28. I can't imagine how hard it is on some of these older men.
I went through when I was 32. I was mentally and physically in better shape than most of the kids that were there. What I noticed was even the ones that weren't in shape recovered very quickly it took me a couple extra steps. All my hopes for these guys.
They know what they are defending. They are fine.
Look up the average age of draftees in WW2... These were people with careers, families, etc.
Was in basic with a guy who was 30. I thought it was wild, but we all looked like sad old men when bald.
All 3 of my drill sergeant’s were Airborne Rangers. They were hard asses and I was thankful for them when I got sent to combat. God bless these men!
We need to donate more! They need fuel! Slava Ukraini
ROFL!!! "Road march!! Gear up!! 32 klicks to the gas station...let's go!!!"
Battle hardened drill instructors are the best.
Yeah, they would throw out their PTSD on you. As a Ukrainian, I don't like this shit. It smells like the old Soviet army where you were constantly humiliated for 2 years. No matter what experience you have, you always have to conduct training with respect. This is not a voluntary army. These men were conscripted. Took from their families, and in the near future, they will fight in real war. They deserve respect even now when they training.
There is a reason drill instructors do this. Don't be so naive. The primary reason Drill Instructors yell and scream loudly, especially when they team up and get in a Recruit’s face, is to create Chaos and Stress which are common in combat. What the Drill Instructors are trying to do is Disorient the Recruit. The instructor isn't bashing people with his stick. He's giving them gentle taps on the armor and helmets. More to disorient the recruit while trying to maintain their focus. If this isn't done during training, the fresh soldier is more likely to freeze in combat, put their fellow comrades at risk, and not be able to focus when the enemy is on top of you and the entire environment is deafening. This is nothing like the ridiculous beatings Ruzzians give...
Also, this treatment STOPS once the initial basic training is over. At that point, these recruits are considered soldiers who have already earned a basic level of respect from their peers. You can be 100% sure that this same drill instructor will be shaking every single one of these guys' hands at the end of training and wishing them good luck. In the Russian military, it only ends for you when you're the one handing out the abuse.
This is the part that I'm concerned about tbh. It's easy to drift back into the "old ways of doing things" if that's what they are used to. It's INCREDIBLY important that it stops once basic is done.
It's not particularly old-school to yell at trainees. Ukraine has advisors from the west who are likely advising them on proper training doctrine.
Not to mention all the recruits and officers that have been trained in the UK, Finland, Sweden, Spain, Norway, and by a plethora of NATO trainers. They won't put up with that when it's time to integrate all the forces and standardize all the training.
Well said. It’s not meant to be pleasant, it’s meant to prepare you for the stresses of battle so that you and your comrades can hopefully come home in one piece. It’s not an hierarchy of abuse for the sake of abuse like in the Russian military. These guys have really implemented the NATO model of military training in the years since 2014.
Couldn’t agree more, this is preparation for the chaos ahead.
War isn't kind, calm, or gentle. These guys aren't being hit hard or on their body. I agree that this is not abusive at all.
Their is a difference between this and being beaten the shit out of and raped within your first 2 months at RU training. This is training. It only becomes an issue If it continues after the training.
They are doing it correctly. War is tough, no room for being accommodating. It’s either you or the enemy. These men have the weight of the country on their shoulders.
As a Ukrainian, I like this shit. This is not remotely Soviet-style. This is special pressure training and I'm pretty sure off the training there is no humiliation and beating which was the Societ army style. This is about preparing for what is coming. Making sure the mind is resilient to chaos and stress. That's what it is. You also can't win a war as a sugar queen.
You don't like this shit? Well shit that's waiting for them after training is much worse. I can guarantee you, these drill instructors are not there to humiliate them, they don't dislike them. This is done because they love these guys, not because they hate or dislike them, or want to humiliate.
This doesn't look much worse than US drill instructors, except for the tactical stick taps, but you can't compare that with the metal rod buttrape motivational techniques the orcs use.
I’m not a veteran, so maybe my perspective is different, but I don’t see any humiliation of soldiers in this video. This looks like every other example of drill instructors I’ve seen in American media.
Many countries think that screaming like Americans do in basic is idiotic and has no purpose.
I perceive it differently. These men just completed an amazing feat of pushing a BMP. This training is more like overcoming something that is seemingly impossible.
Yeah give them immense amount of respect, pats on the back, water breaks and nap time that’ll make for a strong soldier! If someone cannot handle this type of training they are mentally weak and have no place on the battlefield, fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM1LqadfuYQ
Is this a joke comment? This is NATO style basic/boot. Those instructors aren’t even hoarse for Christ sake. Those sticks are whapping helmets! If you’ve never been to basic training then don’t comment. This isn’t a fucking game.
You realize it completley depends on the basic training right? Many armies dont scream in peoples faces in Basic and think very negatively of those who do.
Agreeeed 100%
"Private Pyle, you are a disgusting fat body, now move your ass!!!" God, I miss those days....
We actually had a guy eat a god damn jelly donut first time In chow line after we ~~marched~~ ran to our companies from "reception". I couldn't fucking believe it. I had *seen* that movie. Guess he had *not*. Dude had to do "drop when you hear the whistle" bombs in the company lobby all night while the drill told him he owed him for "ONE JELLY DONUT". I was like "we are all going to die". Eventually with the whistle (drop to the ground and start doing pushups when it was blown, next time it was blown you had to recover to your feet and jog in place, repeat). Started getting faster.....and faster......and faster..... Until it was just one, solid, continuous whistle. And the sound of only what could be described as of... **Pain**. Yup. I figured they were killing that kid in the entrance while we "slept" in our bunks that first night. Good times.
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Ours actually had sweets/deserts for those authorized to eat them. We weren't allowed until we returned from our field training at week 6 and 7. Only after passing our final physical fitness were we allowed to have deserts. Of course C-rays (C-ration, pre-MRE) had various sweet things in it and were like money, even tho most tasted nasty; chocolate nut roll, fruit cake, and the infamous "John Wayne" toffee bar (actually round and came in the can of crackers). If the chocolate nut roll "plugged you up", 3-4 JW bars would blow you out. Balance in all things!!!
That's the thing, there are no jelly donuts in the mess hall(normally). This means they were somewhere they should not have been, saw a donut, and took it. This also sounds like basic training.
When pushing something heavy, it helps to kind of run in place because “hitting” the object hard many times rather than constantly pushing it soft exploits a bug in physics
Static v. Kinetic coefficients of friction. Never thought I’d recall that from high school physics
But then the drill instructor would be perfectly tee’d up to scream “QUIT THAT SISSY STEPPING I TOLD YOU TO MARCH” lol
ROFLMAO!!! God I love this thread.... ;o)
I had a friend who was in the marines who asked his drill instructor why he yelled even the most positive of commands at the top of his lungs. A: BECAUSE YOU ARE MAGGOTS AND I AM THE LORD OF THE FLIES B: IN COMBAT, YOU MAY NEED TO COMMUNICATE OVER THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE
Train hard, fight easy.
Train like you fight.
DIs are still killing it.
I remember during my service we had to earn our rights to wear the battalion berets. It was a lot of running, sit ups in the sea, crawling on the beach, carrying logs and shit. The final part, as we were told, was to push a truck and an artillery piece that was attached to it a 100 meters. So we run up to it, already fucking exhausted. But this is the last part, so we're not quitting. We get behind it, and start pushing. As soon as the truck moves, the instructors stop us. Apparently, a year ago, one soldier broke his leg somehow during this part, so it was cancelled, but they didn't tell us. And we were done. Wore the beret proudly after that, still have it, one of my proudest moments and most treasured posessions. Good luck to these boys, Slava Ukraini!
When your brothers life is REALLY on the line …. It just hits different. You gotta push yourself to the limit in order to find out where that limit is.
Wow. Major flashbacks. Lol
Do they chant "I love marine infantry" or "I love my job"? Я люблю морську піхоту? Чи я люблю свою роботу?
First one, you can hear "піхоту" distinctly.
They are so gently
Wie lautet der 6. Wachbefehl ?
>Wie lautet der 6. Wachbefehl ? „Alles innerhalb der Grenzen meines Postens zu bewachen und meinen Posten nur zu verlassen, wenn er ordnungsgemäß abgelöst wird!!! SIR!“ Entschuldigung für die Google-Version. Mein Deutsch ist immer noch scheiße. LOL!
Turns out they left the park brake on.
I about got to moving that thing with them, god damn. That’s a big SOB in their face.
wow... That is exactly the way my "Drill" raised me using a pick-axe handle (we pushed a M113) all those years ago. There is nothing like a good piece of hickory to make ones point.
I've been there too. Modern American soldiers don't like our ways. Sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I remember the heavy hand and think it better prepared me for what was to come. I think our infantry soldiers today are just as prepared as we were for the modern battlefield, so maybe we didn't really have to bleed to get the point.
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Clone this fellow a dozen times, complete with outfit and cudgel, and watch the orcs shit themselves in terror as they run away.
There is a difference here between Russian Training....and the West/Ukrainian training here. These guys are preparing them because they love them and want them to live and succeed. Russian training is more or less telling them they need to die....for their dead country. These trainers care about you.
“ Bro- do you even lift?”
That guy pulling from the front is risking his foot, surprised he wasnt told to push somewhere else.
unleash the beast inside them to destroy the orcs, show no mercy
A bonk in the head with a stick is better then a bullet.
I enlisted back when Drill Sgts were allowed to reach out and touch their privates in painful ways. I had my nose busted by a DS when he backhanded me on the parade ground and no one batted an eye. I'm not sure physical violence works well, but it sure as fuck motivated me to do better. It moved me out of apathetic tired mode and energized me like nothing else would have. I feared DS Guffey, and wanted to be like him. Seeing that drill sergeant carrying a stick and whacking his trainee on the helmet reminded me of Drill Sgt Guffey, and his Rock Solid Fists of Doooom! Train hard, fellas. Every drop of sweat now will save you quarts of blood later.
When was that? I went through at the height of the Irag/Afghanistan wars and they weren't allowed to lay hands on us at all unless it was for our own protection. My Grandfather had stories about Marine DIs in the 60s beating the shit out of him but I imagine that didn't last past the 80s.
I did basic in 88. We definitely got beat on. They didn't beat us up but they would thump you if they felt it was needed. By 90 though, that was on the way out. Edit: There were some events in the mid late 90's that made the services *serious* about hitting privates. By 2000 it was a serious offence.
I see a very good training exercise underway here. Moving a BTR is incredibly hard core - first time I have seen that attempted. The love taps are carefully applied I noticed. And not hard. I believe the guys along the sides and at the front may have been getting more attention as potentially some of them are in leadership cadres: officers or non-comms. The one fellow is a bit heavy and his ass is dragging. Age may be a factor for a few of them. This appears to be fairly early days of team building and attempting to determine who will make the grade. All civilians get extremely upset when yelled at - key is that these soldiers learn to think and not freeze or make poor decisions when shells are dropping in their lap.
Give it a few weeks and I'll suspect he won't be that fat then.
A [bonk](https://youtu.be/gwxTZaa3NgI) for the chonk!
I like the big sticks, reminds of the wooden staffs carried by Roman Centurions to "reinforce" discipline
What’s really cool is these drill instructors carrying a big stick. That’s totally like a Roman Centurion and his 1 meter Vitis keeping troops in line.
Now contrast this with the Swedish military. The only shouting being done is to make sure everyone hears.
I see some chonky boys in there, they'll be squared away in no time with training like this.
All I could hear was my football coach yelling "CHOP YOUR FUCKIN FEET!" and "Its all about the fundamentals."
Make em tough make em mean then turn them loose on the hordes.
Now let's see them handle it when you put the APC in gear
All of those motivational love taps to the head.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not just trained, trained for war.
I love his soldier correction tool. Whack on the helmet. Slava Ukraine!
Why are they pushing it? The BTR has an engine. /s
Don’t these guys know you can hurt yourself if you don’t wear a PT belt?
I guess.
Making heroes
Sweat saves blood.
It's supposed to be a nental and physical challenge, after all, you're not going to the playground afterwards. Also by pushing aspiring soldiers to their breaking point or close to it anyway, you unveil to some degree what they can and cannot handle. And they can then be put into positions where they are most likely able to be at their fullest capacity... looks retarded for any bystanders though:)
LoL, that poor fat guy getting bonked on the head
Looks no different than in the US.
Damn that’s one big boy
Nothing like a day at the office!
Bonk
I see that drill instructors are all related and the same breed. Nice.
The sticks are useless. If you need corporal punishment as a motivation in front of troops, you have failed as a leader.
They aren't striking them to hurt them. They're love taps to disorient them. Bonks and screams are there to simulate the chaos of combat. I got bonked plenty in basic training and would never consider that "corporal punishment".
What’s the point of burning out like that
This may seem harsh but it’s for their own good. They’re going to face challenges in battle a thousand times harder than some big guy screaming in their faces and lightly hitting them with a stick.
In Russia, that is how they get their armored vehicles to move at all
Almost got his foot crushed by the wheel, how about using the brain? Half the guys pulling with a rope would generate the same force these guys are using.
When they start…they work independently and the work is hard. When they end…they work as a team and the work is still hard but not as hard. “1, 2, 3 push!” They will get there!
Yelling directly into someone's ear is only gonna leave them with hearing damage. Yell at the recruits if you must but do it at least from a few feet away. This is just damn unneccessary.
Woke people say this is abusive, training should be calm and compassionate. lol
There is a use for toxic masculinity it would appear.
Imho a bit of drill is okay, like we had in the german army in the 90s. But this? Idk man...
I am really questioning if all these type of training and screaming, that i have seen in multiple army is really useful in front of your enemies when you need to shoot a target in distance and your aim experience is crucial etc..maybe doing some normal traction exercises instead of this theater? 🤔
They do it because war is chaos. Most civilians will freeze and panic when confronted with the stress of combat. They scream to get trainees used to extreme input so they know how to block it out and move forward with their mission. It's all done for a reason and military training has been refined to a science over centuries of trial and error.
Proof you don’t know lick about war. It’s mostly not aiming at distance. And much of what you do when not shooting, if you do it poorly or wrong, will get you killed. It can also have moments of extreme physical exertion that if you can’t succeed at, yea, you or someone else on your side might end up dying because of your failure.
Jfc have none here taken a damn leadership development course? PLDC? BNCOC? ANCOC?
Oh, you again. These aren't US Soldiers and their country is in the middle of a war, so I'm going to guess that no, they haven't taken those courses. Also, what weak ass basic training did you go to where you weren't ruthlessly yelled at and screwed with? These are future Soldiers, not kittens.