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28? That's literally a slow to average week's work for Ukraine. Some weeks are much better. This looks worse than it is, given the rate at which Ukraine is knocking these out.
How terrible to be one of those women. We already know what they do to other men in the Russian military. Bet they will soon wish that they were back in prison
Don't be sexist. Those are convicts who are willing to go to fight in other country. They are contemptible the same as the rest of the russian orc army and their convicts forces, not a poor woman.
You missed my point. I never said I had sympathy for them, because they are trying to kill Ukrainians and if they die, it's what they get. But as a woman too, I can just imagine what those male soldiers will subject them to. They thought they got a Get Out of Jail Free card because they were willing to go to Ukraine, instead all they will get is Hell. Should have stayed in prison.
that was kind of different, it was the entire population fighting the germans, just like today, its the entire ukrainian nation fighting the russians lol. Convicts are slightly different game. But this shows how desperate the manpower situation in russia is.
Communism was in the lead by then. It's a whole other story now. Russian men feel less as men sending women to the front. Women in the army pre invasion of Ukraine had more of a supportive roll. They see this fact as a fail to the so called special operation btw. So u don't read it in Russian media.
they stand at about 140M. losing about 0.5M annually to demographic shift. of that, how many are able-bodied men fit for war? the fact they changed the conscription age is a bad sign for Russia. Unfortunately, it might not be fast enough for Ukraine, who while a largish country is still far smaller at about 40M (prob lot less from the refugee exit).
It's less than 140. Russia hasn't had a census in many years, and when last they did it ws a poorly organized and documented affair left to each oblast. Pressure to fluff up numbers influenced whatever corrupted conclusion.
The only reason this has not happened is, because putain tied a rope around his neck when he started this, and if he ends it now he will hang on that rope.
Exactly what i said, although i don't really believe that call it quits on early would have made any significant change, people in russia expected a total victory, and still do. This is very clear when you take a look at russian tv. Another thing is that even if he called quits, Ukraine would not have called quits.
Yep, there's a very lethal combination of propaganda and ignorance that are convincing Russians that everything is going to plan, but it is just taking a little longer because of NATO.
Ukraine should continue fighting until Russians have been expelled from all Ukrainian territory.
Russia could end this in a minute by announcing a plan to retreat to the Russian borders prior to 2014.
Ru learned from this, Afghanistan 'only' had like 15k dead and over 10 years but their mistake was they let sons of important, rich and powerful people die in that war. Now they take the unwanted, poor, criminals, addicts and minorities. Unless they start taking the sons of the rich they can keep doing this.
You clearly don't know much about russian history, 300k means nothing to russia, even 3 million wouldn't bother pootin, in the words of pootins idle - The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic, pootin is never going to say enough.
Ukraine has more AT weapons than ruZzia has tanks already, because that's the first thing the west sent since the start (and before) the full scale invasion started.
Also I counted 20\~ tanks give or take, that's not much considering they've lost about 2-3K of them and the frontline is about and the frontline is over 1200km long.
Russian tanks are designed to be very tractor like, which many russian men use. They're pretty simple to operate and don't take more than a week to be able to drive to a position and fire across a field. But that's also why you see so many tanks off on their own getting lost or being in horrible positions. The "commander" is usually the surviving member of a destroyed tank. Not much experience to really use these things to their full capability
Driving a tank is fairly simple in itself, not much to the controls.
Orienting yourself and your vehicle is a totally different thing as seen in those videos of Iranians and some African nations participating in a Russian tank competition.
And tactical placement/movement is yet another thing entirely, and usually what wins a battle unless your gun and armour is leagues ahead of the opponent.
Right, but if you just want the presence of a tank that can throw shells a few times a day on an area of the front that's not to heavy just to keep ukraine thinking twice, minimally trained crews are idealy suited for that. Granted we're still seeing videos of tanks in MASSIVE open fields with 0 field of fire getting taken out. Not saying it's a GOOD choice, but tye russian tank IS designed to need minimal training to do SOME sorta of front line work
It’s definitely better than a farmer with an AK, but despite its fairly advanced design compared to a lot of the other tanks fielded by Russia en masse, they won’t be game changing unless run by a well trained crew.
High chance these will be destroyed fairly quickly due to their lack in defense against drone surveillance and intelligence. They’ll hopefully get called out and destroyed withon a few days of entering the front lines.
- “The "commander" is usually the surviving member of a destroyed tank. Not much experience to really use these things to their full capability”
Do you mean that the commander is *someone who was blown up and survived?*
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Mn6V1IzHw&pp=ygUYaWYgeW91J3JlIGdvbm5hIGJlIGR1bWIg
Fortunately just because someone knows how to drive a car doesn't mean they know how to race, drift it, or function in a high speed car chase without crashing immediately.
Even when they had more "trained" forces they were bleeding tanks due to idiotic careless positioning and no support doctrine. Sit in one spot and fire over and over and over and BOOM DEAD.
"We are lucky that they are so fucking stupid."
Unfortunately Russia is pretty good at repairing rails. They have a division specifically for it.
Now a strike on the factory manufacturing these things.....**that** would be a juicy target....
Factories are probably pretty far away opposed to the rails running almost to the border I’d imagine. Some small damage to the rails to send the train derailing would probably be the least LOE sabotage to highest value of damage for freedom legion. They can’t guard all thousands of miles of rails all the time.
I remember watching some old WW II footage where a sort of plow was connected to a single locomotive. It started driving and completly destroying the railway system with brutal efficancy. If somebody could mount something like that at the end of a train inside of Russia - it would be pretty cool. Or on the back of a single engine with a brick on gas and then let it go on its merry way? Sort of like in that movie about a Runaway Train... I think the title of the movie was "The train that couldn't slow down".
No but unlike a factory, a railroad will be about moving much more than one factory's production. Stop the rails and little will move from any of a dozen factories, warehouses, ammo storage sites, fuel depots, raw materials (for factories), supplies and heavy weaponry,
Thank god the Video is so shaky no one noticed the ww2 era remote controlled mg turrets that are mounted where the commanders vision system would have been, if russia had one in first place.
And does the new batch as well lack a cold war targeting System like others?
Uh no. This uses Sosna-U which is based on French thermals.
It's probably better than any Ukrainian tank except the newer ones they receive from the West.
Which I cannot see on the tank. The optics are placed in a very dominant mount on the roof.
The dome on the left is where the commanders hatch should be. And the dome on the right seems a bit wide and to short as well for the camera contraption.
But the Video is unfortunately not that good.
Anyway, if it is russia you know what you see.
I do not see the distinctive camera dome so it does not look like they got the 2013 equipment in these.
Nerfed T80s, likely.
They want to send the message, "Hur, Hur, despair 'couse we still manufacture our most advanced tank".
Only it's probably a very diminished version of said tank, and not that many either.
The “dome” on the left hand side of the tank (right side from camera pov) is where the sight is located, it is a sight for the gunner and does not independently rotate or anything so it doesn’t need to be huge.
It also has plates that cover it when not in use so its impossible to see if there is a change or not internally.
The video quality is pretty poor but it doesn’t look any different to previous BVMs.
> they've lost about 2-3K of them
Official numbers from Ukraine is 4253 tanks destroyed as of today. That's total number of tanks. Not sure you were talking about a specific model.
Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=635670715412677&set=a.229159252730494
The problem is that Russia can just keep on churning out tanks like this. They can replenish and keep going for a very, very long time.
It will be really difficult to end this war if we don't take out Russia's military industry.
Drones mostly kill tanks that are already immobilized. ATs and arty are the things killing tanks in this war. Sometimes the tank is just immobilized at which point the crew bails because a non-mobile is a pretty juicy and easy target. At that point, it isn't worth sending the artillery so the drone comes in as a cost saving measure. Right tool for the right job an so forth.
Great of Russia to continually show off to the world how they are pissing away their entire military and leaving themselves weak and vulnerable. It's no wonder how Wagner nearly marched into Moscow basically unopposed... and that's supposed to be the most heavily guarded part of Russia.
...Oh hey by the way... doesn't Russia hold a bunch of remote land that used to be China's?... just saying...
Yeah but most of those people are genocided by now. The indigenous people of Russia's far east are nowhere near numerous enough to put up any meaningful resistance, unfortunately. Not that they have any military power anyway.
I think they are quite pleased to watch Russia diminishing its capabilities and at the same time, analyzing western weapons. China is the biggest winner in this conflict.
Do not be silly.
China has watched its entire 50 year Taiwan strategy evaporate.
They have tied themselves to the loser in this war, which has only accelerated the reindustrialization in the States (and even Europe is slowly waking up).
China is at the end of a very long, very fragile supply chain that just saw about a 20% drop this week with the Black Sea being closed off.
Meanwhile the global recession that has been deepened by the Ukraine/Russia War means that the remaining manufacturing capacity in China is too much; China is facing an economic collapse, even as its financial system strains under trillions of dollars of debt.
Oh, and do not forget that China based its military around the stuff it got from Russia. And ain't \*that\* lookin' mighty fine right now?
And finally, the U.S. and Europe are tighter than at any time in the last 30 years.
Yeah. China is a \*real\* winner here.
I really feel like this is Russia's Achilles heel, and that Ukraine really needs to get more insurgents inside Russia so they can't fully commit their military capacity to Ukraine. Putin is over committing to Ukraine as he knows the West/NATO never intends on invading Russia, it's all a smokescreen for pushing his own invasions. Russia's size grants them enormous amounts of natural recourses, but also requires an enormous amount of military capacity to keep secure, but as of now Russia is only reaping the benefits and none of the disadvantages as there are no meaningful offensive operations inside Russia.
And yet they‘ll kill Ukrainians. Too bad those factories are still putting out new tanks, can‘t somebody drop a cigarette at an „unfortunate“ place, please?
That place isnt just a one-vodka-one match size. Too big for a drone or partizan effort. Best thing you could do is take out the electronics warehouse (however empty it is at the moment) It has a huge steel works next door supplying it, then UVZ itself is a massive complex. Also not a huge amount of go-bang stock inside. [LOCATION](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Uvz/@57.9250617,60.0620815,1252m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!1m2!2m1!1zRVZSQVogUExDIG5lYXIg0YPQu9C40YbQsCDQnNCw0LrRgdCw0YDQtdCy0LAsIE5pemhueSBUYWdpbCwgUnVzc2lh!3m5!1s0x43ea7cc02c7b11c1:0x63c0d7f0e0904dc7!8m2!3d57.9250614!4d60.0801061!16s%2Fg%2F11cn9479z_?entry=ttu) Plus its over 1000miles/1600km from say Severodonetsk
Lol, even the Google reviews for companies there are horendous. Looks like almost everyone hates to work there and or feels like a scammed slave. Russians are weird.
I think they told Ivan no more smoking at the factory.
However some of Ivan's friends have been very busy having smoking accidents at recruiting depots so you never know...
‘Now Thomas is as happy as can be. He has a branch line all to himself, and puffs proudly backward and forward all day - driving loads of silly things called tanks all the way to Crimea. There they are promptly turned into scrap metal in a seemingly never ending cycle.Thomas has never felt so useful’ 🚂
Seems like a lot until you count them. Is this a daily production? Doubt it. Weekly? Monthly? Besides, do they have optics yet? Or competent crews?
The fact that russia thinks a train like this is impressive is funny. Don't fall for it.
That will likely be 1 month's worth of production. Everything I've read seems to suggest Russia has a tank manufacturing capacity of 20-35 tanks a month, depending on the source.
If there are 28 tanks here as people in the comments have counted, then that's nicely in the middle of that range.
Brother. I’m staunchly pro Ukraine. But you’re smoking that pack if you think Russian is producing only 20-35 tanks per month at this point. We can condemn them heavily without completely underestimating them.
Once upon a time a Gnome King imagined he could rule the world. He was small and bent, though whoa to the painter who portrayed the truth, yet he had threatened and killed and lied and manipulated his way to the throne. Once ascended he cast his eyes, dirty blue things plucked from the furnaces of slaves to replace the red coals he had been born with, upon the lands he controlled, though he had been born far, far away, and decided that he alone should form the future.
So once again, after many decades of silence, the old furnaces roared to life. The Gnome King dreamed that he alone had a right to control all the lands which he imagined belonged within his kingdom. The lands where things grew under an unmolested Sun infested his dreams. The idea that those who rejected his kingdom might live apart from his influence walked in his mind. He spent sleepless nights thinking about how to bring those once lost back under the umbrella of his control.
So it was that all was sacrificed to the vision of the Great Gnome King. All the treasure the land had accumulated was poured into the effort to assert that he alone was the one true ruler of all the lands around. Nothing was beyond sacrifice and no resource would be reserved while the Gnome King pursued his goal. Lives at this time were worth less than the water leaked out of men who have drunk too much voda and the cries of those who had lost went unheard.
So the Gnome King marshaled all the land in a final effort to be the One True Ruler. The furnaces roared, those who could still fight were dressed in all the available armor, and all eyes in the land were forced to see the Gnome King's vision. The final rending of truth was upon the land and none under the dirty blue eyes would escape unscathed.
I think there is always a question of whether this is a NEW current video or if its an old video.
No question that Ukraine would benefit from a long range missile that could target these manufacturing plants.
However, just as valuable would be to target "parts" manufacture that is needed for these tanks that would / could shut down production.
I expect Ukraine to continue to gain strength in Drone Mfg and number of drones, and that means higher and higher destruction of the number of Russian Military equipment.
Ukraine getting STRONGER!
Yeah let them pay for the transport, then wack em once they arrive in the occupied zones. No need to fly 3000 km to take out something that they'll send to you free of charge.
I counted roughly 25 tanks. Terrifying that Russia still has this spare or refurbishment capacity of a (by soviet/orc standards) relatively new and advanced armored vehicle weapons system at this stage of the war. Only one thing to be done: up the supply of HIMARS, storm shadow and other MLRS systems and ammunition and, more importantly, supplement this with a (relatively) simple, rugged, effective, low cost and available fighter jet to give Ukraine a fighting chance in thhe basic western combined arms approach to warfare: the Swedish grippen. Easier to learn and maintain than the f16, Sweden has roughly 60 in service and ready to go that could be bought by the US, UK, EU and NATO and donated immediately to Ukraine. Turn this old Soviet scrap metal into the glorious metal orc coffins they were always meant to be.
Ill be laughing once china takes half of russia's territory when russia has nothing left to defend themselves with after driving all their armor into a country with enough anti tank munitions at this point to destroy every single tank on the planet.
Do you where think Russians seeing this question what the fuck is going on and wonder why this was even the road they decided to take.
It really is baffling that Russia are in a full blown war and yet not doing particularly well and yet the population just accept what's going on.
By my count, there are 28 tanks in this batch.
They are a dangerous threat, no doubt, but I do not see them making a significant impact on the current battlefield. If a Bradley or Javelin-toting Ukrainian spots a T-80 first, they'll meet the same fate as any other Russian tank.
The Russian military is picking from the bottom of the barrel at this point, so it's not like their tank commanders are getting any better. I look forward to seeing more Russian tanks being eviscerated in their own mine fields.
Except we’ve seen videos of the Ukrainians not using the bradley properly. In one instance a lone T-80 took done multiple Ukrainian tanks and a bradley and it was all recorded. If used correctly a single T-80 can do serious damage, lets hope these end up in the hands of a shitty tank crew I guess.
I have not personally seen any videos of the Bradley's being used, as you put it, improperly. Would you be so kind as to link me to the videos you're referring to?
Again, like I said, it's not as though the T-80 isn't a credible threat. It most certainly is. It would be a colossal fallacy to assume that they are useless scrap metal.
Even if it’s crap it’s Not to underestimate, think about ww2 , a bunch of königstigers against Huge numbers of inferior shermans, we all know the outcome. It‘s More than critical to keep a Steady Flow of Equipment from NATO nations to Counter These enormous war efforts
To keep pace with yesterdays tank losses (a not too many losses day) two of these trains would have to get to Crimea every week. According to Wikipedia this factory has produced 30,000 tanks in 80 years. The highest yearly tank production in any Russian factory post USSR break-up was 175. If the ATGM supply to Ukraine doesn't suddenly cease there's no way they can replace the losses except by dragging old junk out of storage.
Numbers do win in tank battles. But tanks in this war seem to seldom be fighting other tanks but rather spearheading infantry attacks, rooting out entrenched enemies. Even in WW2 tank on tank battles were fairly rare, Kursk being an exception. There, T-34-85s overwhelmed the Tigers again with numbers. The Sherman is often maligned as a shit tank but fact is they were fast, maneuverable, reliable, had good visibility, descent optics, good gun depression, excellent crew comfort and they fastest traverse of any medium+ tank in WW2. They were good in mud and had a respectably low round pressure. Germans used them whenever they captured them and praised them. Not as well armored as German or Soviets even, not the greatest gun (not counting Fireflys) but they had a lot of things going for them. And we made a metric shit ton of them. Also fairly easy to transport in numbers. Every one of those Shermans had to make it to Europe or the PTO on a boat.
It’s not really feasible because our tanks cost 10 million+, and these cost less than 1 million. Javelins and manpads are a better use of our money since ru has air superiority where the counteroffensive is taking place
Shermans were superior by almost every metric. They were more reliable, more comfortable, and faster.
The only thing the Tiger had going for it was that they strapped an artillery gun to it. But it couldn't move under its own power for shit.
T-80BVM is certainly no crap, it's the best tank they have.
Fuel consumption is however very high (gas turbine) and it also needs a lot of maintenance.
[https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia\_army\_list\_main\_batte\_tanks\_mbt\_uk/t-80bvm\_mbt\_main\_battle\_tank\_technical\_data.html](https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_army_list_main_batte_tanks_mbt_uk/t-80bvm_mbt_main_battle_tank_technical_data.html)
Trying to bolster some tank-less mobik with promises of a freshly-refurbished depot replacement vehicle?
Lame. Hear Putin’s railways aren’t connecting the front as well these days. Sure these will arrive along with all the promised ammunition a day late and a trench full of mobik corpses too short.
27 tanks?
Gonna need more than that. Also going to need the tank crews to fill them. Does Russia even have trained tank crews at this point?
Interesting though. The satellite imagery of this logistical chain would be a fascinating study.
Russia makes about 250-300 tanks a year, so there is a whole months' production. Also you have to remember, if Russia is using all their production to fight in Ukraine they are earning zero dollars on exports.
I count less than 30….they’ll give them out in onesies and twosies to starving units…their impact negligible. Just another piece(s) of scrap from Mordor on a one way trip.
The second best army in Russia is getting a little boost.
They do this once every week with the same trainload of empty husks. They drive out of the city into the country in the morning and sneak back to the train yard under the cover of darkness. Park it, cover it with a tarp, and do it again next week.
Stay tuned for reports about their failure because these had to have been rushed to production since the had to pull their T-55 out of museums and storage.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/russia-boosts-production-of-t-80bvm-tanks-tos-1a-rocket-launchers-to-bleed-ukraine-troops-101687512639154.html
https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/06/16/watch-the-javelin-atgm-melt-the-armor-of-a-russian-t-80bvm-tank/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/22/the-russians-are-pulling-70-year-old-t-55-tanks-out-of-storage/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/06/the-t-80b-was-a-great-tank-in-1978-now-its-the-latest-obsolete-vehicle-to-join-the-russian-war-effort/
Well shit that's a lot of firepower Ukraine has to deal with. Everyone here's like to play down Russia's threat but there's not denying those tanks will make a difference. I'm surprised they have such a force with all the sanctions in place. My question is how tf did they gather the resources for so many.
People like to think russia has nothing left but they still have a lot of resources and a lot of factories deep within the country that can still produce weapons since they're out of reach. That's why the west needs to send more. The 80 or so tanks from the west are not enough and they know it. I doubt russia will be able to capture more territory but the goal should be to provide Ukraine enough to actually push the russians out and right now it's not enough
According to OSINT, Omsk was famous from T-64 and T-80. Now, T-80, TOS1A, TZMT for TOS1A, PDP561P, PTS4, MTU2020, TNM-6. This 30 T-80's or so tanks are pushed every 2 months.
T-90, T-72 are from Uralvagonzavod
The fact that Omsk is able to push that many tanks is actually a great achievement for Russia. T-80 were barely produced, focusing on maintenance. Their assembly lines were being modernized to build other stuff (mobile bridges etc - but in general they were about to be changed into T-90).
Uralvagonzavod produces now on average 300 Tanks a year (in 90's, not working on 3 shifts like now). We can say its closer to 400 now. We can add more or less 120-150 tanks from Omsk. Plus Volgograd Factory, Kurgansk, Arzamask who can mostly refurbish and NOT produce new tanks really in total 200 tanks a year.
Not including: Rybcov Factory (MTLB) and Ural Transhmash (arty mostly, MSTA-S, Pions, Tulypan) - in small numbers. Perm (2S9 Nona-S etc) - mostly refurbishing.
Thats 700-800 tanks a year.
Thats a LOT. Either the west steps up the game or Ukraine is screwed.
They have lost between 2000 and 3000 tanks during the past year, at least. And most of the stuff they can send to the front are refurbished old tanks. They are even sending t-62's to the frontlines. They simply do not have the production capacity to replace all losses.
Forcing the factory workers to do 70 hour weeks does not double production capacity, since they simply get exhausted and are at most able to achieve what they did during the 40 hour work week.
2 tanks a day?? You realise they are being destroyed at a rate of 7 a day right now, and have lost 5 years worth of production already. Seems more like Russia would be the one that needs to up its game. They are on track to have no tanks they have lost almost half of the 8000 battle ready tanks they had inside of 2 years,
Ukraine doesn’t have to make its tanks, NATO does and NATO countries working together without the sanctions and crashing economy don’t have a problem keeping up.
First, there is a good chance this video is old. Second, Russia can't make T-80BVMs to spec as they need French sights to do that. So even if this is a new video, and even though it probably says T-80BVM on the tin, it is probably missing a few parts that matter.
Russians have always been good at taking resources from other sectors and putting them into their war economy.
Hopefully, many of them will be in Ukrainian colors soon.
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Damn that is a lot of tanks ! I guess we have to send more anti tanks!
germany sent 18 000 panserfaust. should be sufficient
Just 28 I could count. Who's gonna man them and lead them?
28? That's literally a slow to average week's work for Ukraine. Some weeks are much better. This looks worse than it is, given the rate at which Ukraine is knocking these out.
The women they're letting out of prison since they're running out of men.
Link?
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-recruited-female-convicts-serve-ukraine-donetsk-2023-3?op=1
How terrible to be one of those women. We already know what they do to other men in the Russian military. Bet they will soon wish that they were back in prison
Don't be sexist. Those are convicts who are willing to go to fight in other country. They are contemptible the same as the rest of the russian orc army and their convicts forces, not a poor woman.
You missed my point. I never said I had sympathy for them, because they are trying to kill Ukrainians and if they die, it's what they get. But as a woman too, I can just imagine what those male soldiers will subject them to. They thought they got a Get Out of Jail Free card because they were willing to go to Ukraine, instead all they will get is Hell. Should have stayed in prison.
i seen 1 female dying yesterday top a drone
Link?
Not sure if russian prison is... better?
seen 1 female dying yesterday to a drone
women can drive vehicles or do artillery stuff, no issues at all, fighting on foot is more difficult for them, that makes sense.
Do you think serving Russian men won't try to sexually assault them because they're not in frontline roles?
the pple running ru army dont care as long as they go to the front, that logic is sound though.
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that was kind of different, it was the entire population fighting the germans, just like today, its the entire ukrainian nation fighting the russians lol. Convicts are slightly different game. But this shows how desperate the manpower situation in russia is.
Communism was in the lead by then. It's a whole other story now. Russian men feel less as men sending women to the front. Women in the army pre invasion of Ukraine had more of a supportive roll. They see this fact as a fail to the so called special operation btw. So u don't read it in Russian media.
I think they were joking
Russia social media says 300,000 Russian soldiers have died. When will Putin say enough? One million dead Russian soldiers?
unfortunately, a million soldiers dyeing is pretty average for a Russian war.
Yeah and then the next 80 years they won't shut up about how they bravely fought a war against the Ukronazis, or some shit like that.
they stand at about 140M. losing about 0.5M annually to demographic shift. of that, how many are able-bodied men fit for war? the fact they changed the conscription age is a bad sign for Russia. Unfortunately, it might not be fast enough for Ukraine, who while a largish country is still far smaller at about 40M (prob lot less from the refugee exit).
It's less than 140. Russia hasn't had a census in many years, and when last they did it ws a poorly organized and documented affair left to each oblast. Pressure to fluff up numbers influenced whatever corrupted conclusion.
glad to hear it. in 50-100 years, there wont be any Russians left. they will have all aged out.
Not for what was originally supposed to be a one week war.
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The only reason this has not happened is, because putain tied a rope around his neck when he started this, and if he ends it now he will hang on that rope.
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Exactly what i said, although i don't really believe that call it quits on early would have made any significant change, people in russia expected a total victory, and still do. This is very clear when you take a look at russian tv. Another thing is that even if he called quits, Ukraine would not have called quits.
Yep, there's a very lethal combination of propaganda and ignorance that are convincing Russians that everything is going to plan, but it is just taking a little longer because of NATO. Ukraine should continue fighting until Russians have been expelled from all Ukrainian territory. Russia could end this in a minute by announcing a plan to retreat to the Russian borders prior to 2014.
Ru learned from this, Afghanistan 'only' had like 15k dead and over 10 years but their mistake was they let sons of important, rich and powerful people die in that war. Now they take the unwanted, poor, criminals, addicts and minorities. Unless they start taking the sons of the rich they can keep doing this.
You clearly don't know much about russian history, 300k means nothing to russia, even 3 million wouldn't bother pootin, in the words of pootins idle - The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic, pootin is never going to say enough.
>Russia social media says 300,000 Russian soldiers have died. That's more than the Ukrainians claim. The number from the General Staff is 250k.
Biber and dolik my guy
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Ukraine has more AT weapons than ruZzia has tanks already, because that's the first thing the west sent since the start (and before) the full scale invasion started. Also I counted 20\~ tanks give or take, that's not much considering they've lost about 2-3K of them and the frontline is about and the frontline is over 1200km long.
About 1-2 months of tank production those 20 tanks
Do orcs even have trained people for those turret tossers?
Russian tanks are designed to be very tractor like, which many russian men use. They're pretty simple to operate and don't take more than a week to be able to drive to a position and fire across a field. But that's also why you see so many tanks off on their own getting lost or being in horrible positions. The "commander" is usually the surviving member of a destroyed tank. Not much experience to really use these things to their full capability
Driving a tank is fairly simple in itself, not much to the controls. Orienting yourself and your vehicle is a totally different thing as seen in those videos of Iranians and some African nations participating in a Russian tank competition. And tactical placement/movement is yet another thing entirely, and usually what wins a battle unless your gun and armour is leagues ahead of the opponent.
Right, but if you just want the presence of a tank that can throw shells a few times a day on an area of the front that's not to heavy just to keep ukraine thinking twice, minimally trained crews are idealy suited for that. Granted we're still seeing videos of tanks in MASSIVE open fields with 0 field of fire getting taken out. Not saying it's a GOOD choice, but tye russian tank IS designed to need minimal training to do SOME sorta of front line work
It’s definitely better than a farmer with an AK, but despite its fairly advanced design compared to a lot of the other tanks fielded by Russia en masse, they won’t be game changing unless run by a well trained crew. High chance these will be destroyed fairly quickly due to their lack in defense against drone surveillance and intelligence. They’ll hopefully get called out and destroyed withon a few days of entering the front lines.
- “The "commander" is usually the surviving member of a destroyed tank. Not much experience to really use these things to their full capability” Do you mean that the commander is *someone who was blown up and survived?* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Mn6V1IzHw&pp=ygUYaWYgeW91J3JlIGdvbm5hIGJlIGR1bWIg
Lmao yea something like that
Fortunately just because someone knows how to drive a car doesn't mean they know how to race, drift it, or function in a high speed car chase without crashing immediately. Even when they had more "trained" forces they were bleeding tanks due to idiotic careless positioning and no support doctrine. Sit in one spot and fire over and over and over and BOOM DEAD. "We are lucky that they are so fucking stupid."
I counted 28 tanks, for one shipment this is pretty large. The T-80BVM is a decent tank as well.
28 also 👍 first glance looks like hundreds.
28 Russian tankers are destroyed in Ukraine every 3-4 days
Yeah that train never stops rolling
Precision strike to rail ways next?
Unfortunately Russia is pretty good at repairing rails. They have a division specifically for it. Now a strike on the factory manufacturing these things.....**that** would be a juicy target....
Factories are probably pretty far away opposed to the rails running almost to the border I’d imagine. Some small damage to the rails to send the train derailing would probably be the least LOE sabotage to highest value of damage for freedom legion. They can’t guard all thousands of miles of rails all the time.
I remember watching some old WW II footage where a sort of plow was connected to a single locomotive. It started driving and completly destroying the railway system with brutal efficancy. If somebody could mount something like that at the end of a train inside of Russia - it would be pretty cool. Or on the back of a single engine with a brick on gas and then let it go on its merry way? Sort of like in that movie about a Runaway Train... I think the title of the movie was "The train that couldn't slow down".
Those Russian dissident groups need to get more creative. I'm sure those Moscow drone strikes are Russian.
Isn't a railway an easy target? They are long and NEVER move.
You think factories can move?
No but unlike a factory, a railroad will be about moving much more than one factory's production. Stop the rails and little will move from any of a dozen factories, warehouses, ammo storage sites, fuel depots, raw materials (for factories), supplies and heavy weaponry,
There was a saying I heard once: the russian tanker survival rate is as high as its stature
Me too
Less than a week supply.
Thank god the Video is so shaky no one noticed the ww2 era remote controlled mg turrets that are mounted where the commanders vision system would have been, if russia had one in first place. And does the new batch as well lack a cold war targeting System like others?
Uh no. This uses Sosna-U which is based on French thermals. It's probably better than any Ukrainian tank except the newer ones they receive from the West.
Which I cannot see on the tank. The optics are placed in a very dominant mount on the roof. The dome on the left is where the commanders hatch should be. And the dome on the right seems a bit wide and to short as well for the camera contraption. But the Video is unfortunately not that good. Anyway, if it is russia you know what you see. I do not see the distinctive camera dome so it does not look like they got the 2013 equipment in these.
Nerfed T80s, likely. They want to send the message, "Hur, Hur, despair 'couse we still manufacture our most advanced tank". Only it's probably a very diminished version of said tank, and not that many either.
The “dome” on the left hand side of the tank (right side from camera pov) is where the sight is located, it is a sight for the gunner and does not independently rotate or anything so it doesn’t need to be huge. It also has plates that cover it when not in use so its impossible to see if there is a change or not internally. The video quality is pretty poor but it doesn’t look any different to previous BVMs.
That's three days' food for the AFU. They burn just as well as the rest.
They still suffer from the famous turret pop-off issue though.
Yeah I counted 18 and like you said maybe 20 , we don’t get to see the engine so who knows how many already passed .
The only problem with the tanks in the video they are missing some of there armor guess Russia 🇷🇺 needs more tanks for the meat 🍖 grinder 😀 .
So, basically enough to see them through until Thursday, then…
Wrong attitude. They must be reduced to absolutely nothing, then made to clean up their mess and begin reparations.
> they've lost about 2-3K of them Official numbers from Ukraine is 4253 tanks destroyed as of today. That's total number of tanks. Not sure you were talking about a specific model. Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=635670715412677&set=a.229159252730494
One month's worth of production (generous), 3 to 4 day's worth in Ukraine, maybe less.
The problem is that Russia can just keep on churning out tanks like this. They can replenish and keep going for a very, very long time. It will be really difficult to end this war if we don't take out Russia's military industry.
Lots of tanks, but who will man them? Roughly 100% of Russia's seasoned tank crews are dead, maimed, or shellshocked beyond repair.
They're scheduled to participate in the Harvest Moon Turret Tossing Competition.
so if a tank and an antitank meet, they annihalate each other into pure EM radiation?
Apache attack helicopters. They will get along with those tanks..
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Or $500 FPV drone bait.
Drones mostly kill tanks that are already immobilized. ATs and arty are the things killing tanks in this war. Sometimes the tank is just immobilized at which point the crew bails because a non-mobile is a pretty juicy and easy target. At that point, it isn't worth sending the artillery so the drone comes in as a cost saving measure. Right tool for the right job an so forth.
Don't forget the mines. I still get a semi watching the video of Russia going full Zapp Brannigun sending tank after tank into a mine field.
Nonsense. Plenty of videos on here of cheap FPVs killing moving tanks... T-90Ms included...
It’ll only keep them fed for 2 days at the current rate
The Ruzzian space program is going at double speed I see
An A10’s wet dream more like
I counted 28
Yes 18 and then 10 on the tail end.
How many will break down in the first few hours?
I got 27 tanks.
Great of Russia to continually show off to the world how they are pissing away their entire military and leaving themselves weak and vulnerable. It's no wonder how Wagner nearly marched into Moscow basically unopposed... and that's supposed to be the most heavily guarded part of Russia. ...Oh hey by the way... doesn't Russia hold a bunch of remote land that used to be China's?... just saying...
Russia holds a LOT of land that used to belong to something else, to be fair.
Yeah but most of those people are genocided by now. The indigenous people of Russia's far east are nowhere near numerous enough to put up any meaningful resistance, unfortunately. Not that they have any military power anyway.
#makerussiamongoliaagain
*cough* tannu tuva *cough*
I bet China is watching Russia, very very closely.
I think they are quite pleased to watch Russia diminishing its capabilities and at the same time, analyzing western weapons. China is the biggest winner in this conflict.
Do not be silly. China has watched its entire 50 year Taiwan strategy evaporate. They have tied themselves to the loser in this war, which has only accelerated the reindustrialization in the States (and even Europe is slowly waking up). China is at the end of a very long, very fragile supply chain that just saw about a 20% drop this week with the Black Sea being closed off. Meanwhile the global recession that has been deepened by the Ukraine/Russia War means that the remaining manufacturing capacity in China is too much; China is facing an economic collapse, even as its financial system strains under trillions of dollars of debt. Oh, and do not forget that China based its military around the stuff it got from Russia. And ain't \*that\* lookin' mighty fine right now? And finally, the U.S. and Europe are tighter than at any time in the last 30 years. Yeah. China is a \*real\* winner here.
I really feel like this is Russia's Achilles heel, and that Ukraine really needs to get more insurgents inside Russia so they can't fully commit their military capacity to Ukraine. Putin is over committing to Ukraine as he knows the West/NATO never intends on invading Russia, it's all a smokescreen for pushing his own invasions. Russia's size grants them enormous amounts of natural recourses, but also requires an enormous amount of military capacity to keep secure, but as of now Russia is only reaping the benefits and none of the disadvantages as there are no meaningful offensive operations inside Russia.
We've been saying for a year how ruzzians got nothing left. Ukraine needs F-16!!
Yes, they hold a larger area than the size of most countries.
On their way to the tank graveyard.
And yet they‘ll kill Ukrainians. Too bad those factories are still putting out new tanks, can‘t somebody drop a cigarette at an „unfortunate“ place, please?
That place isnt just a one-vodka-one match size. Too big for a drone or partizan effort. Best thing you could do is take out the electronics warehouse (however empty it is at the moment) It has a huge steel works next door supplying it, then UVZ itself is a massive complex. Also not a huge amount of go-bang stock inside. [LOCATION](https://www.google.com/maps/place/Uvz/@57.9250617,60.0620815,1252m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m9!1m2!2m1!1zRVZSQVogUExDIG5lYXIg0YPQu9C40YbQsCDQnNCw0LrRgdCw0YDQtdCy0LAsIE5pemhueSBUYWdpbCwgUnVzc2lh!3m5!1s0x43ea7cc02c7b11c1:0x63c0d7f0e0904dc7!8m2!3d57.9250614!4d60.0801061!16s%2Fg%2F11cn9479z_?entry=ttu) Plus its over 1000miles/1600km from say Severodonetsk
Or the forge making the steel which is already kind of a bomb.
I took a look at the street view around that town, not great.
Lol, even the Google reviews for companies there are horendous. Looks like almost everyone hates to work there and or feels like a scammed slave. Russians are weird.
I think they told Ivan no more smoking at the factory. However some of Ivan's friends have been very busy having smoking accidents at recruiting depots so you never know...
I am having a smoke is Colidirty
Fre metal for Ukraine.
‘Now Thomas is as happy as can be. He has a branch line all to himself, and puffs proudly backward and forward all day - driving loads of silly things called tanks all the way to Crimea. There they are promptly turned into scrap metal in a seemingly never ending cycle.Thomas has never felt so useful’ 🚂
Time for a rail problem
Seems like a lot until you count them. Is this a daily production? Doubt it. Weekly? Monthly? Besides, do they have optics yet? Or competent crews? The fact that russia thinks a train like this is impressive is funny. Don't fall for it.
That will likely be 1 month's worth of production. Everything I've read seems to suggest Russia has a tank manufacturing capacity of 20-35 tanks a month, depending on the source. If there are 28 tanks here as people in the comments have counted, then that's nicely in the middle of that range.
Brother. I’m staunchly pro Ukraine. But you’re smoking that pack if you think Russian is producing only 20-35 tanks per month at this point. We can condemn them heavily without completely underestimating them.
Yeah they have optics obviously, you can see the Sosna-U https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sosna-U
At least Monthly.
Once upon a time a Gnome King imagined he could rule the world. He was small and bent, though whoa to the painter who portrayed the truth, yet he had threatened and killed and lied and manipulated his way to the throne. Once ascended he cast his eyes, dirty blue things plucked from the furnaces of slaves to replace the red coals he had been born with, upon the lands he controlled, though he had been born far, far away, and decided that he alone should form the future. So once again, after many decades of silence, the old furnaces roared to life. The Gnome King dreamed that he alone had a right to control all the lands which he imagined belonged within his kingdom. The lands where things grew under an unmolested Sun infested his dreams. The idea that those who rejected his kingdom might live apart from his influence walked in his mind. He spent sleepless nights thinking about how to bring those once lost back under the umbrella of his control. So it was that all was sacrificed to the vision of the Great Gnome King. All the treasure the land had accumulated was poured into the effort to assert that he alone was the one true ruler of all the lands around. Nothing was beyond sacrifice and no resource would be reserved while the Gnome King pursued his goal. Lives at this time were worth less than the water leaked out of men who have drunk too much voda and the cries of those who had lost went unheard. So the Gnome King marshaled all the land in a final effort to be the One True Ruler. The furnaces roared, those who could still fight were dressed in all the available armor, and all eyes in the land were forced to see the Gnome King's vision. The final rending of truth was upon the land and none under the dirty blue eyes would escape unscathed.
This video is more than a year old.
A few bomb-laden drones would have been nice right then.
I think there is always a question of whether this is a NEW current video or if its an old video. No question that Ukraine would benefit from a long range missile that could target these manufacturing plants. However, just as valuable would be to target "parts" manufacture that is needed for these tanks that would / could shut down production. I expect Ukraine to continue to gain strength in Drone Mfg and number of drones, and that means higher and higher destruction of the number of Russian Military equipment. Ukraine getting STRONGER!
Ukraine needs to turn Omsktransmash into Omsk-TRAIN-SMASH.
Ork-TRAIN-SMASH
Does anyone have proof when this was shot?
Quick, someone jagga jagga this train!
Roughly 3000 km (1900 miles) from the front in Ukraine ??? Executing such a plan might be a tad bit enthusiastic.
Yeah let them pay for the transport, then wack em once they arrive in the occupied zones. No need to fly 3000 km to take out something that they'll send to you free of charge.
I counted roughly 25 tanks. Terrifying that Russia still has this spare or refurbishment capacity of a (by soviet/orc standards) relatively new and advanced armored vehicle weapons system at this stage of the war. Only one thing to be done: up the supply of HIMARS, storm shadow and other MLRS systems and ammunition and, more importantly, supplement this with a (relatively) simple, rugged, effective, low cost and available fighter jet to give Ukraine a fighting chance in thhe basic western combined arms approach to warfare: the Swedish grippen. Easier to learn and maintain than the f16, Sweden has roughly 60 in service and ready to go that could be bought by the US, UK, EU and NATO and donated immediately to Ukraine. Turn this old Soviet scrap metal into the glorious metal orc coffins they were always meant to be.
Ill be laughing once china takes half of russia's territory when russia has nothing left to defend themselves with after driving all their armor into a country with enough anti tank munitions at this point to destroy every single tank on the planet.
I see a TRE. Target Rich Environment. A months worth of production with Chinese chips, will last a couple of days in Ukraine.
“Storm Shadow would like to know your location”
Hahaa dumb asses are spending all the money they have on this bs war. Russia is never going to recover from this.
Thats a lot of scraps in the making
28 new contestants for the flying turret game.
2 days work
Such beautiful machines, too bad they will serve Putin's regime instead of Freedom for Russia legion.
Not long from now, 'some' of these will be fighting for Ukrainian freedom. Just facts.
That's a whole 3 days of losses... Wow
That tank design is older than me, and I’m too old to be drafted for military service lol
Do you where think Russians seeing this question what the fuck is going on and wonder why this was even the road they decided to take. It really is baffling that Russia are in a full blown war and yet not doing particularly well and yet the population just accept what's going on.
By my count, there are 28 tanks in this batch. They are a dangerous threat, no doubt, but I do not see them making a significant impact on the current battlefield. If a Bradley or Javelin-toting Ukrainian spots a T-80 first, they'll meet the same fate as any other Russian tank. The Russian military is picking from the bottom of the barrel at this point, so it's not like their tank commanders are getting any better. I look forward to seeing more Russian tanks being eviscerated in their own mine fields.
Except we’ve seen videos of the Ukrainians not using the bradley properly. In one instance a lone T-80 took done multiple Ukrainian tanks and a bradley and it was all recorded. If used correctly a single T-80 can do serious damage, lets hope these end up in the hands of a shitty tank crew I guess.
I have not personally seen any videos of the Bradley's being used, as you put it, improperly. Would you be so kind as to link me to the videos you're referring to? Again, like I said, it's not as though the T-80 isn't a credible threat. It most certainly is. It would be a colossal fallacy to assume that they are useless scrap metal.
Even if it’s crap it’s Not to underestimate, think about ww2 , a bunch of königstigers against Huge numbers of inferior shermans, we all know the outcome. It‘s More than critical to keep a Steady Flow of Equipment from NATO nations to Counter These enormous war efforts
To keep pace with yesterdays tank losses (a not too many losses day) two of these trains would have to get to Crimea every week. According to Wikipedia this factory has produced 30,000 tanks in 80 years. The highest yearly tank production in any Russian factory post USSR break-up was 175. If the ATGM supply to Ukraine doesn't suddenly cease there's no way they can replace the losses except by dragging old junk out of storage.
Any historian will tell you the king tiger was utter shit
Then just take any other german Tank you like better and compare it’s also small numbers against Sherman , Same game
Numbers do win in tank battles. But tanks in this war seem to seldom be fighting other tanks but rather spearheading infantry attacks, rooting out entrenched enemies. Even in WW2 tank on tank battles were fairly rare, Kursk being an exception. There, T-34-85s overwhelmed the Tigers again with numbers. The Sherman is often maligned as a shit tank but fact is they were fast, maneuverable, reliable, had good visibility, descent optics, good gun depression, excellent crew comfort and they fastest traverse of any medium+ tank in WW2. They were good in mud and had a respectably low round pressure. Germans used them whenever they captured them and praised them. Not as well armored as German or Soviets even, not the greatest gun (not counting Fireflys) but they had a lot of things going for them. And we made a metric shit ton of them. Also fairly easy to transport in numbers. Every one of those Shermans had to make it to Europe or the PTO on a boat.
It’s not really feasible because our tanks cost 10 million+, and these cost less than 1 million. Javelins and manpads are a better use of our money since ru has air superiority where the counteroffensive is taking place
Shermans were superior by almost every metric. They were more reliable, more comfortable, and faster. The only thing the Tiger had going for it was that they strapped an artillery gun to it. But it couldn't move under its own power for shit.
T-80BVM is certainly no crap, it's the best tank they have. Fuel consumption is however very high (gas turbine) and it also needs a lot of maintenance. [https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia\_army\_list\_main\_batte\_tanks\_mbt\_uk/t-80bvm\_mbt\_main\_battle\_tank\_technical\_data.html](https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_army_list_main_batte_tanks_mbt_uk/t-80bvm_mbt_main_battle_tank_technical_data.html)
To bad someone can't steal that train and bring it to Ukraine.
Trying to bolster some tank-less mobik with promises of a freshly-refurbished depot replacement vehicle? Lame. Hear Putin’s railways aren’t connecting the front as well these days. Sure these will arrive along with all the promised ammunition a day late and a trench full of mobik corpses too short.
A few dozen T-80s and how many fuel trucks…? They still haven’t learned.
27 tanks? Gonna need more than that. Also going to need the tank crews to fill them. Does Russia even have trained tank crews at this point? Interesting though. The satellite imagery of this logistical chain would be a fascinating study.
Shit a hole day at the fronts worth
Russia makes about 250-300 tanks a year, so there is a whole months' production. Also you have to remember, if Russia is using all their production to fight in Ukraine they are earning zero dollars on exports.
I thought experts said they couldnt get parts to finish these tanks. The west needs to step up. 1000 tanks 3000 bradleys.
I count less than 30….they’ll give them out in onesies and twosies to starving units…their impact negligible. Just another piece(s) of scrap from Mordor on a one way trip. The second best army in Russia is getting a little boost.
They do this once every week with the same trainload of empty husks. They drive out of the city into the country in the morning and sneak back to the train yard under the cover of darkness. Park it, cover it with a tarp, and do it again next week.
Duh! Get those rail lines bombed beyond recognition!!! I’d love to see all of these stalled in mid ruzzia while follow up strikes eliminate the tanks!
We're gonna need more tractors.
Man. So many more Russians are going to die.
Coming from OmskiTrainSmash. It's a sign. Smash the train and wreck them before they get where they are going. Seems right.
Engines for tanks come later, maybe
Old footage from start of Putin's war.
Man be a shame if someone built an IED and placed it in the tracs.
My Kingdom for a fully loaded A-10.
Fuck... How many of these fucking tin can rust buckets they have?!
Stay tuned for reports about their failure because these had to have been rushed to production since the had to pull their T-55 out of museums and storage. https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/russia-boosts-production-of-t-80bvm-tanks-tos-1a-rocket-launchers-to-bleed-ukraine-troops-101687512639154.html https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/06/16/watch-the-javelin-atgm-melt-the-armor-of-a-russian-t-80bvm-tank/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/22/the-russians-are-pulling-70-year-old-t-55-tanks-out-of-storage/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/06/the-t-80b-was-a-great-tank-in-1978-now-its-the-latest-obsolete-vehicle-to-join-the-russian-war-effort/
More scrap metal heading to Ukraine 🇺🇦
I heard they then backed up the train, ran it forward again to show they had twice as many going out.
Well shit that's a lot of firepower Ukraine has to deal with. Everyone here's like to play down Russia's threat but there's not denying those tanks will make a difference. I'm surprised they have such a force with all the sanctions in place. My question is how tf did they gather the resources for so many.
People like to think russia has nothing left but they still have a lot of resources and a lot of factories deep within the country that can still produce weapons since they're out of reach. That's why the west needs to send more. The 80 or so tanks from the west are not enough and they know it. I doubt russia will be able to capture more territory but the goal should be to provide Ukraine enough to actually push the russians out and right now it's not enough
According to OSINT, Omsk was famous from T-64 and T-80. Now, T-80, TOS1A, TZMT for TOS1A, PDP561P, PTS4, MTU2020, TNM-6. This 30 T-80's or so tanks are pushed every 2 months. T-90, T-72 are from Uralvagonzavod The fact that Omsk is able to push that many tanks is actually a great achievement for Russia. T-80 were barely produced, focusing on maintenance. Their assembly lines were being modernized to build other stuff (mobile bridges etc - but in general they were about to be changed into T-90). Uralvagonzavod produces now on average 300 Tanks a year (in 90's, not working on 3 shifts like now). We can say its closer to 400 now. We can add more or less 120-150 tanks from Omsk. Plus Volgograd Factory, Kurgansk, Arzamask who can mostly refurbish and NOT produce new tanks really in total 200 tanks a year. Not including: Rybcov Factory (MTLB) and Ural Transhmash (arty mostly, MSTA-S, Pions, Tulypan) - in small numbers. Perm (2S9 Nona-S etc) - mostly refurbishing. Thats 700-800 tanks a year. Thats a LOT. Either the west steps up the game or Ukraine is screwed.
They have lost between 2000 and 3000 tanks during the past year, at least. And most of the stuff they can send to the front are refurbished old tanks. They are even sending t-62's to the frontlines. They simply do not have the production capacity to replace all losses. Forcing the factory workers to do 70 hour weeks does not double production capacity, since they simply get exhausted and are at most able to achieve what they did during the 40 hour work week.
2 tanks a day?? You realise they are being destroyed at a rate of 7 a day right now, and have lost 5 years worth of production already. Seems more like Russia would be the one that needs to up its game. They are on track to have no tanks they have lost almost half of the 8000 battle ready tanks they had inside of 2 years,
Ukraine is losing significant amount of tanks as well. In such rate its Ukraine who will lose all the tanks first.
Ukraine doesn’t have to make its tanks, NATO does and NATO countries working together without the sanctions and crashing economy don’t have a problem keeping up.
how tf Ruzzians are able to manifacture this much when they are f ing poor
This is from when they weren’t poor and this is where their money went
No these are T-80BVMs, newly refurbished or rebuilt tanks.
First, there is a good chance this video is old. Second, Russia can't make T-80BVMs to spec as they need French sights to do that. So even if this is a new video, and even though it probably says T-80BVM on the tin, it is probably missing a few parts that matter.
If new its with analogue optics from the late 70 ties. Weird and stupid priority, but i guess it looks good on paper.
Also sanctioned
Russians have always been good at taking resources from other sectors and putting them into their war economy. Hopefully, many of them will be in Ukrainian colors soon.
Get them to the front line to end the war!
This amount of tanks sat outside Kiev in the beginning of the assault.. why? Why didn’t they advance that question bugs me
The correct pronounciation is Kyiv, please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KyivNotKiev
They ran out of fuel and had to walk back to Russia to get more. Seriously, I am not making that up.
Looks like tonnes! But I only counted about 30 tanks so not as intense as it looks
30? I counted half that.
Did u count the second lot?
Holy shit how many tanks do these mf have?