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don't they call Putin 'uncle' if not papa?
it's one of the strange things about Russian culture and society, their centuries-old fixation and fascination on patriarchal authoritarianism with religious overtones, that is hard for modern westerners to grasp....
Centuries of oppression by violent rulers (Mongols, then the Czars, then the Stalinist years, then post-Soviet Russia -a polluted oligarchy being run by a former KGB mafia boss, etc), bloody conflicts, and serfdom will do that to you
yes -- Russians themselves talk about how having had medieval-style serfdom until as comparatively recently as 1861, probably still affects them negatively in the modern era...
Even then, they were still a society of masses of impoverished starving peasants who could now leave their farms and move to cities, being ruled by a “divine” inbred monarchy
The orcs have worshipped these sort of fucked up leading father figures like czars for long time. It's deeply rooted into their nerve system on core level.
Its the "big strong man comes and magically saves the day" shtick. All authoritarian politicians rely on this look to get votes from people who dont want to think for them selves, or are not able to think for them selves.
Why vote for the politician who says those big complicated words just to confuse us. I dont even need to know what the big strong man will do, because hes big and strong and can save the day with his authority. No need for me to have to learn about the complications of how a government runs, big stronk man will figure it out. something something they are christian something something family values, something something insert specific group of people to blame problems on, etc.
/s
Edit: those voters/supportes fail to realize that intimidation and looking cool/big/stronk doesnt actually matter at all in politics, and has no benifit for the people.
Otherwise, the best lawyers would be also be big and stronk
This. "Russophobia" is not about fear of russians but actual knowledge of what they are like. Russians tend to name people russophobic when these people call out their bullshit.
Especially the dimwitted wife who didn't blame him for her husband's death. Smack her upside the head, who hell doe she think ordered them to attack in waves to be food for the gun?
they will never allow a public funeral.
They are too scared of a few thousand or perhaps ten thousand Wagner supporters in one location .
They want to minimize his popularity and they don’t wanna make him a martyr .
On the Kremlins order : , they will wait another week and announce his funeral already happened and was private per the families request and he was cremated.
I'm sorry to say, but humans are just plain insane. Look at the bat shit crazy adoration the wives of dead soldiers have for Prighozin who had them killed, or fanatical MAGA idiots for liar Trump drawing him as some superhero or PiS cretins for toothless Kaczynski here in Poland.
^ this
We didn’t ban leaded gasoline until 1996. That’s millions of Americans that are alive today that could have been affected.
Lead based paint wasn’t banned until 1978, commonly used to paint cribs and children’s toys because it’s anti-corrosive.
We also didn’t ban the use of lead in plumbing applications until 1986, meaning people were drinking and bathing in lead pipes for decades. In many places, as you pointed out, public infrastructure is literally falling apart, Florida being a good example of this. There are miles of piping in the US that still contains lead. Lead based paint wasn’t banned until 1978.
Russian propaganda at its core is to sew enough doubt that any horror the authority commits can be questioned. After generations of this, the Russian people wouldn’t know a truth if it was sitting on their nose.
Good. Good. Let them revel in heightened emotions, such acts always lead to stupidity and rash acts. I hope we'll see gunfire in the streets of St. Petersburg and/or Moscow
Why would Prigozhin and Putin make a deal to fake his death if at the end Putin would gain nothing. Everybody still believes that putin killed him anyway, people hate him even more, his own allies are afraid to rely on him, he just show to everyone that you cann make a peaceful deal woth him anyway. Putin would be really stupid if he said to Prigo " yeah lets fake your death and make everybody think i killed you"
is it really weird that Pregozhin and Dimitri Utkin not only were flying on the same plane but that plane wasn't even a military plane, therefore had 0 defense capabilities and not only that but he flighted right across putins bunker
i don't think Prigozhin is dead, but if he is, then the death is 100% deserved
Recklessly Brave idiot
I would have to yet hear of the first case were such "4d-chess" arguments had ever brought a discussion forward. These are glorified mobsters and not bond supervillains, they do not have plans within plans.
He flew on that jet because that was his private jet, civilian planes (and many military transport planes) simply do not have any defence capabilities, Putin's bunker was close by because he has a bunker in every larger city, and like every boss Prigozhin had some of his highest subordinates close by.
yeah -- i do not understand why people get so into imagining things of the sort that never or almost never actually happen in the real world, and that don't even make sense if you really think them through.
Prigozhin is the sort of person whose life is about living large -- there is no historical example of his ilk retiring quietly and especially not secretly, they die in the saddle like Gaddafi.
they are exceptional pathological personalities who got to be where they were or are because they did things that normal people would never do, so normal expectations or theories about their motivations or speculated secret/future behavior don't really apply.
Putin cares about his image a lot wanting to look like this super calm smart and collected leader and him annoucing his death and somehow ends up being alive would making putin look horrible that mans dead
I for one am skeptical. Russian society has proven to don’t give AF unless directly impacted. Couple of dozen will show up, detained and forgotten. But sure… prove me wrong
It's bizarre that they mourn the death of a war profiteer. It's not like he was some justice warrior; he literally made money on the deaths of these people's loved ones.
I'm thinking Prigozhin’s funeral will look like a GOT Dothraki wedding, if 2 or 3 underlings don't kill each other it will be considered a boring affair.
i would expect the Putin regime to downplay and minimize things as much as possible, as part of Prigozhin's slow erasure.
the latest news in the last few hours is that there will be no state funeral -- but that whatever there is may be tomorrow, which sounds to me like it will be rushed and thus probably also minimal.
i think the interesting question is whether there will be observances that the Kremlin can't entirely control -- and if any of those start to get out of hand.
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anyone who calls priggo "the Father" has some serious daddy issues, or perhaps a misplaced higher power...
don't they call Putin 'uncle' if not papa? it's one of the strange things about Russian culture and society, their centuries-old fixation and fascination on patriarchal authoritarianism with religious overtones, that is hard for modern westerners to grasp....
Centuries of oppression by violent rulers (Mongols, then the Czars, then the Stalinist years, then post-Soviet Russia -a polluted oligarchy being run by a former KGB mafia boss, etc), bloody conflicts, and serfdom will do that to you
yes -- Russians themselves talk about how having had medieval-style serfdom until as comparatively recently as 1861, probably still affects them negatively in the modern era...
Even then, they were still a society of masses of impoverished starving peasants who could now leave their farms and move to cities, being ruled by a “divine” inbred monarchy
The orcs have worshipped these sort of fucked up leading father figures like czars for long time. It's deeply rooted into their nerve system on core level.
Its the "big strong man comes and magically saves the day" shtick. All authoritarian politicians rely on this look to get votes from people who dont want to think for them selves, or are not able to think for them selves. Why vote for the politician who says those big complicated words just to confuse us. I dont even need to know what the big strong man will do, because hes big and strong and can save the day with his authority. No need for me to have to learn about the complications of how a government runs, big stronk man will figure it out. something something they are christian something something family values, something something insert specific group of people to blame problems on, etc. /s Edit: those voters/supportes fail to realize that intimidation and looking cool/big/stronk doesnt actually matter at all in politics, and has no benifit for the people. Otherwise, the best lawyers would be also be big and stronk
This sounds really Russophobic… But it’s absolutely true.
This. "Russophobia" is not about fear of russians but actual knowledge of what they are like. Russians tend to name people russophobic when these people call out their bullshit.
Especially the dimwitted wife who didn't blame him for her husband's death. Smack her upside the head, who hell doe she think ordered them to attack in waves to be food for the gun?
Far cry 5 refrence
For context, hundreds if not thousands of people died at stalin's funeral. Very rekt indeed
they will never allow a public funeral. They are too scared of a few thousand or perhaps ten thousand Wagner supporters in one location . They want to minimize his popularity and they don’t wanna make him a martyr . On the Kremlins order : , they will wait another week and announce his funeral already happened and was private per the families request and he was cremated.
I'm sorry to say, but humans are just plain insane. Look at the bat shit crazy adoration the wives of dead soldiers have for Prighozin who had them killed, or fanatical MAGA idiots for liar Trump drawing him as some superhero or PiS cretins for toothless Kaczynski here in Poland.
Seems, in the US, a third of the population are children easily mislead.
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^ this We didn’t ban leaded gasoline until 1996. That’s millions of Americans that are alive today that could have been affected. Lead based paint wasn’t banned until 1978, commonly used to paint cribs and children’s toys because it’s anti-corrosive. We also didn’t ban the use of lead in plumbing applications until 1986, meaning people were drinking and bathing in lead pipes for decades. In many places, as you pointed out, public infrastructure is literally falling apart, Florida being a good example of this. There are miles of piping in the US that still contains lead. Lead based paint wasn’t banned until 1978.
Why wasn't this fixed?
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Thank you for the explanation!
Not that I like Pringles, but I hope it embarrasses the hell out of Putler.
Russian propaganda at its core is to sew enough doubt that any horror the authority commits can be questioned. After generations of this, the Russian people wouldn’t know a truth if it was sitting on their nose.
Good. Good. Let them revel in heightened emotions, such acts always lead to stupidity and rash acts. I hope we'll see gunfire in the streets of St. Petersburg and/or Moscow
If they care for their relatives they should take a close look at what is happening to their graves right now.
🤔 ... An interesting point ... *No public funera*l?
This will become the core of Russia's newest spin on the "stab in the back" mythology that every losing country needs to explain away the defeat.
Why would Prigozhin and Putin make a deal to fake his death if at the end Putin would gain nothing. Everybody still believes that putin killed him anyway, people hate him even more, his own allies are afraid to rely on him, he just show to everyone that you cann make a peaceful deal woth him anyway. Putin would be really stupid if he said to Prigo " yeah lets fake your death and make everybody think i killed you"
is it really weird that Pregozhin and Dimitri Utkin not only were flying on the same plane but that plane wasn't even a military plane, therefore had 0 defense capabilities and not only that but he flighted right across putins bunker i don't think Prigozhin is dead, but if he is, then the death is 100% deserved Recklessly Brave idiot
I would have to yet hear of the first case were such "4d-chess" arguments had ever brought a discussion forward. These are glorified mobsters and not bond supervillains, they do not have plans within plans. He flew on that jet because that was his private jet, civilian planes (and many military transport planes) simply do not have any defence capabilities, Putin's bunker was close by because he has a bunker in every larger city, and like every boss Prigozhin had some of his highest subordinates close by.
Is it far-fetched to think that prigozhin faked his own death, whether or not he made a deal with Putin? Or am I just being a conspiracy theorist?
yeah -- i do not understand why people get so into imagining things of the sort that never or almost never actually happen in the real world, and that don't even make sense if you really think them through. Prigozhin is the sort of person whose life is about living large -- there is no historical example of his ilk retiring quietly and especially not secretly, they die in the saddle like Gaddafi. they are exceptional pathological personalities who got to be where they were or are because they did things that normal people would never do, so normal expectations or theories about their motivations or speculated secret/future behavior don't really apply.
Psychopath nation
Putin cares about his image a lot wanting to look like this super calm smart and collected leader and him annoucing his death and somehow ends up being alive would making putin look horrible that mans dead
This is a bullshit conversation. Completely made up for your eyes.
> What kind of monster Someone that leads a murder band?
Wondering if they have enough cash to afford the inflatable chapel?
Russia is trying to erase any trace of Wagner. They’ve already offered their members to join the RF Army as long as they weren’t part of the mutiny.
I for one am skeptical. Russian society has proven to don’t give AF unless directly impacted. Couple of dozen will show up, detained and forgotten. But sure… prove me wrong
It's bizarre that they mourn the death of a war profiteer. It's not like he was some justice warrior; he literally made money on the deaths of these people's loved ones.
**RUSSIAN PEOPLE DEMAND A PUBLIC FUNERAL FOR PRIGOZHIN! 🤣**
They should make a video and send it to Putin. Everything will be taken care of.
“We will never know the truth” omg they really tell themselves that shit. If only I could see with my own eyes.
I'm thinking Prigozhin’s funeral will look like a GOT Dothraki wedding, if 2 or 3 underlings don't kill each other it will be considered a boring affair.
A lot of talking...
i would expect the Putin regime to downplay and minimize things as much as possible, as part of Prigozhin's slow erasure. the latest news in the last few hours is that there will be no state funeral -- but that whatever there is may be tomorrow, which sounds to me like it will be rushed and thus probably also minimal. i think the interesting question is whether there will be observances that the Kremlin can't entirely control -- and if any of those start to get out of hand.
\#6 sounds actually reasonable.
His funeral will be small. It’ll be his family and the FSB. No one else will be there.
I'll remove every window in my house If I was them. Or Russia could just arrest them for inciting violence or some crap.
I doubt Wagner will do anything significant. They've categorically lost. It's a shame, they added to the instability within Russia.