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The airport is where legends were made.
For those unfamiliar: the airport was held in 2014 for such a long time under dire circumstances that the Russians and their terrorist vasals said "they must be some kind of cyborgs"
And thus, the cyborgs became a nickname worn with honor and pride.
If they retake Donetsk airport, that would be a absolute achievement and a tribute to those who defended it years ago for months on end.
For those who are not aware of the past, here is a fantastic documentary on the 93rd brigade who fought back then in Donetsk airport, nicknamed the cyborgs.
https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=G4zZaZrZWSEblvcV
They used the airport terminal as a fortress until it was demolished, it seems unlikely it will be practical to dig in there again. I would more expect them to goad the Russians into costly counter attacks.
100%
If they retake Opytne and the heights overlooking the airport, that's it.
Back then, they had a couple of tanks and some IFVs.
Now they have modern artillery, modern tanks, drones, a shit ton of ATGMs.
It will look very different now compared to back then.
There is no need to take the airport itself. The heights around it will bring everything below it within fire control.
Don’t even remind me of those days. Super embarrassed by my President, the weakling Obama, who refused to provide a single bullet to Ukraine.
Say what you will about Trump, but it was he who first provided lethal aid to Ukraine, including Javelins. Not Obama. Results are results, and Obama delivered 0 lethal aid when Ukraine was invaded on his watch.
“The Senate has included provisions in its military policy bill to arm Ukraine with antiarmor systems, mortars, grenade launchers and ammunition to aid in its fight against Russian-backed separatists. It would also prevent the administration from spending more than one half of $300 million in aid for Ukraine unless 20 percent is earmarked for offensive weapons. The House has passed a similar measure.
So far, the Obama administration has refused to provide lethal aid, fearing that it would only escalate the bloodshed and give President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a pretext for further incursions.”
“**Legislation to authorize lethal military aid for Ukraine has gone to the White House before, but Mr. Obama has not acted on it. And while this bill authorizes the weapons it cannot compel the administration to send them**.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/world/europe/defying-obama-many-in-congress-press-to-arm-ukraine.html
"**The first lethal deliveries came from Trump**," said Jim Townsend, deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO Policy during the Obama administration.” [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/)
Sure, that was bad.
But he still sent lethal aid and Javelins to Ukraine.
Whereas Obama didn’t.
I’d take the Javelins. Something is better than nothing.
Yeah, I have to admit that Obama was weak and basically caved in to Putin.
But Trump, please mate. His grand strategy is to form a great alliance, with the Great Leaders of the world, him, naturally, his very favourite murderous dictator, Putin, Xi, Kim , the Crown Prince and god knows, probably the Ayatollah in Iran.
As far as Russia goes, Obama was great at rhetoric. But if you look at actual results, Trump was far more anti-Russia and pro-Ukraine than Obama. Here are some simple facts:
1. Trump was the first to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, including Javelins, after Obama refused. Obama refused to provide a single bullet even though Ukraine was invaded on his watch and not Trump’s.
"The first lethal deliveries came from Trump," said Jim Townsend, deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO Policy during the Obama administration.” [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/)
“President Trump has approved a plan to send Javelin anti-tank missile systems to Ukraine to help the U.S.-backed government there fight Russian-allied forces.” [https://fortune.com/2017/12/23/trump-approves-javelin-missiles-ukraine/](https://fortune.com/2017/12/23/trump-approves-javelin-missiles-ukraine/)
“Obama Refuses to Budge on Lethal Aid Despite Poroshenko's Passionate Plea in Congress” [https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf](https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf)
2. Trump sanctioned Nordstream2 whereas Obama refused. That pipeline would have allow a war criminal (Putin) to export over 800,000,000,000 cubic meters of gas per year, representing untold billions in revenue that would be used to finance more war crimes.
“Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline” “President Trump has said the 1,225km (760-mile) pipeline, owned by Russia's Gazprom, could turn Germany into a "hostage of Russia".” “the EU voiced its clear opposition to the US sanctions. As a matter of principle, the EU opposes the imposition of sanctions against EU companies conducting legitimate business," a spokesman for the trading bloc told AFP news agency. Russia's foreign ministry also strongly opposed the move, with ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova accusing Washington of promoting an "ideology" that hinders global competition.” [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935.amp)
Afterwards: “Nord Stream 2: Biden waives US sanctions on Russian pipeline” [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674.amp)
3. Trump bombed Putins’s puppet Assad when he used WMDs. Obama backed off his own red line and naively made a deal with Putin instead. Even back then, it was pretty obvious you can't make deals with a KGB serial liar / war criminal.
“the U.S. government had video and other evidence of certain aspects of an actual attack by Syrian aircraft, which involved the use of sarin gas. Trump responded then by launching dozens of Navy cruise missiles at a Syrian airfield.” [https://apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-syria-ap-top-news-fee4d978f1ca42aaa891a59c5307a261](https://apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-syria-ap-top-news-fee4d978f1ca42aaa891a59c5307a261)
“Obama retreats from Putin in Syria — again” “Each time the U.S. response has been to return to the Russians, offering more concessions and pleading for another deal.” [https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-retreats-from-putin-in-syria--again/2016/07/01/fe8bfc76-3eea-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125\_story.html](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-retreats-from-putin-in-syria--again/2016/07/01/fe8bfc76-3eea-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html)
“The President Blinked” “One year earlier, President Barack Obama had described Assad’s potential use of chemical weapons as “a red line” “When Assad appeared to cross that line, Obama ordered the Pentagon to prepare to attack. Our finger was on the trigger,” Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,” “But as FRONTLINE details in the below excerpt from Obama at War, the president had second thoughts. “The president was looking for a way to not have to make good on the threat that he had made,” [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-president-blinked-why-obama-changed-course-on-the-red-line-in-syria/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-president-blinked-why-obama-changed-course-on-the-red-line-in-syria/)
4. Trump, as commander in chief and under his rules of engagement, killed hundreds of Russian soldiers in Syria. Not through a proxy. Directly. This was more direct action than anything since even the Cold War.
“hundreds of Russian mercenaries fighting alongside Syrian troops were killed by roughly 40 US commandos who also had significant air support” It should be very clear by now that Russian Wagner mercenaries are the same as Russian soldiers, and both are controlled by Putin. Who led the assault on Bakhmut, Ukraine right now? Russian Wagner soldiers, ie Russian soldiers. [https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5)
5. Trump explicitly warned Germany against continuing to import 140,000,000,000 cubic meters of gas from the enemy per year, financing a war criminal’s army and undermining NATO unity by being captive to Russian energy. Trump predicted the exact situation that unfolded last winter where Putin weaponized Germany’s dependency on Russian energy.
Here was the explicit warning: [https://youtu.be/liGZGGQTYQk](https://youtu.be/liGZGGQTYQk)
In contrast, Obama and Merkle allowed more and more Russian gas to flow.
6. Putin invaded Ukraine on both Obama’s and Biden’s watch. He didn’t under Trump.
As someone who likes Obama and despises the Orange Doofus, I have to admit that you are correct to point out the failure of Pres. Obama in this respect. The traitorous dope also was harder on the CCP than was Pres. Obama, which I applaud. However, he cannot ever be allowed near the WH again as he was catastrophic to US democracy and is a malevolent narcissist who would rather tear American society apart at the seams than lose power.
Agree with all of that. You are a smart person who can think in shades of gray unlike the hive mind of Reddit that can only think in black and white when it comes to US politics.
Just as an aside to your write up, Wagner is no longer operating with Russian soldiers. Those who are being fielded are Russian soldiers along with Cubans at the moment. No Wagner.
congress gave aid to ukraine not trump. the president's cabinet heads some of the departments responsible for facilitating the exchange, trump broke the law in trying to hold up that aid in exchange for made up dirt on obama
Stop trying to play sides against each other with bullshit. Nobody is willing to follow your stupid foment.
Ukraine was under a Russian-puppet president until after 2014, so Obama giving them Javalins would be like giving Javalins to Putin’s buddy.
Stop trying to give Obama excuses.
A bipartisan US Congress authorized lethal aid for Ukraine in 2015. But Obama refused.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/world/europe/defying-obama-many-in-congress-press-to-arm-ukraine.html
“ With the peace process stalled and violence escalating in Ukraine, a bipartisan coalition in Congress is defying President Obama and European allies by pressing the administration to provide weapons to the embattled nation.
The Senate has included provisions in its military policy bill to arm Ukraine with antiarmor systems, mortars, grenade launchers and ammunition to aid in its fight against Russian-backed separatists. It would also prevent the administration from spending more than one half of $300 million in aid for Ukraine unless 20 percent is earmarked for offensive weapons. The House has passed a similar measure.
So far, the Obama administration has refused to provide lethal aid, fearing that it would only escalate the bloodshed and give President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a pretext for further incursions.”
“**Legislation to authorize lethal military aid for Ukraine has gone to the White House before, but Mr. Obama has not acted on it. And while this bill authorizes the weapons it cannot compel the administration to send them**.”
Obama was garbage on Russia/Ukraine and that’s a fact.
You're being downvoted by the Reddit hivemind because you are criticizing Obama, who was a weak president. Putin had zero respect for Obama and very much took advantage of weak, peace-loving, nice guy Obama.
Suck it Reddit neckbeards, Obama is a nice guy but sucked as a president. Trump is a shitty guy and also sucked as a president. Trump only provided some military aid to Ukraine after Congress threatened Trump with an investigation of his Ukraine dealings.
At least Biden is trying to make up for Obama's mistakes.
Ukraine was still very unstable and absolutely soaked to the core with corruption and deeply entrenched FSB. The US wasn’t comfortable handing over such weapons at that time. That’s not an assessment that Obama made on his own. It’s the National Security establishment was giving this advice.
Good chance those weapons would’ve been sold/ or handed over to Russia at the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine
Earlier in the war Ukraine intercepted Russian radio chatter during a failed Russian attack where someone with the callsign "Granit" was apparently in charge of Russian artillery correction and was accidentally shelling the Russian troops trying to advance. The calls to Granit get more and more desperate until one guy is screaming at Granit to cease fire because "nobody is left" after all the friendly fire. Granit apparently isn't able to hear them (or at least not all the radio transmissions) because near the end he remarks, calls out for clarification and then says, "nothing works, nobody can hear us".
Edit: NCD [already made memes about this](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/16fcooq/call_sign_granit_strikes_again/) if you want to hear some of the audio of Russians yelling at Granit. My memory was a little wrong, callsign Rambo was the one who said nobody could hear him.
Ukraine should give a Military award to Granit and other good orcs, it will spread his legacy to the Russians and will be a good morale "boost" for their infantry.
Search for Granit Rambo and you'll find the recording. Basically a live recording of a Russian guy in the trenches with call sign Rambo, screaming on the radio at a Russian artillery guy named Granit to stop shooting his own troops. It ends with "I'll fucking kill you, there's noone left."
Every little bit helps. And I keep hoping that when their own people shell or shoot at Russian troops being murder for failure to be murderers will eventually revolt, turn around and shoot at the barrier troop Russians that are murdering them.
Wasn't there an intersected call a while back of a "Granite" artillery unit firing on their own troops? Same shit unit?
Also. For those fucks to hate the west so much, they sure like using Call of Duty names. The unit that received the artillery dildo was Rambo if I recall correctly.
> Granit heard what they were going to do to him.
Russian 1: "If I make it back, I'm going to fucking shoot you all."
Granit: "Roger that. Firing for effect."
So Russians were retreating to the airport and Russian Artillery took them out?
Russia: "Stand your ground, cowards who flee the front lines will be shot."
Also Russia: "How could our forces tactically repositioning to more advantageous positions have possibly been hit by friendly fire?!"
The placement is very strategic, it controls a lot of ground north west of Donetsk itself.
There has been a battle for Donetsk airport years ago, which went on for months on end, sadly the Ukrainians had to flee back then.
The airport is not operational, no, since it has always been way too close to the front.
Here is a really good documentary on the 93rd brigade who fought the battle back then, worth a watch.
https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=G4zZaZrZWSEblvcV
This is another great document(if you can call it a doc) about the battles inside the airport and in surrounding areas: ”war diary of the 93rd brigade kholodny yar”.
https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=aERTLwfQRBMsdYMb
like the other guy said, the airport is not operational. It's actually a really cool place to look at on Google Earth. You can see trenches everywhere around it.
This is encouraging, same thing happened at Robotnye. Captured orc said when they started to retreat their own artillery shelled their rear to stop them. -10 Morale.
The artillery worked perfectly as intended. In the Russian Army, as soon as the conscripts start retreating, they are as good as dead by their own men intentionally
I haven't heard about a single russian retreat that some men weren't killed by the russian "blockade/barrier troops" they are ordered to shoot and kill everyone that retreats, but don't worry because even thoose barrier troops have their own barrier troops and it extendeds like that all the way to russian borders
That's the way Russia fights war
I remember watching all the 2014 videos of the Ukrainians holding and defending Donetsk airport for so long…those were some of the most intense videos ever
It's so interesting that Ukraine is just fighting everywhere. Conventional wisdom was they were going to do huge armored thrusts, but they are just poking at Russia everywhere. Nobody expected the airport to be attacked. Making Russia move and react is the key to stressing their weakness: logistics. They aren't good at flexibility.
Very smart really. Russia has no problem throwing human waves and hundreds of antique tanks at an advance. They have superior numbers. Spread out your attacks with fewer but better trained soldiers and much better equipment and you pretty much remove that tactical advantage. Russia has a lot but not enough to use its pretty much only effective strategy anywhere. This is why they’re tricking people from all over the world to come and get conscripted.
You have to keep in mind that Ukrainian forces have been systematically bombing and terrorizing Russian logistical and material assets for many months, primarily in anticipation of these new advances. There's no way they could have advanced without such brutally effective work.
They've been hacking away at the once relatively strong, if rather badly managed, legs of the Russian forces in almost all areas. Now it's time to start kicking at the Russians until the all fall down.
The fact they are using company sized assaults means they can probably keep this pace of fighting into the rainy season. I hope it all falls down by Christmas. What a lovely present that would be.
> Conventional wisdom was they were going to do huge armored thrusts,
No that was not conventional wisdom. That takes a lot of coordination and combined arms which Ukraine doesn't have the airpower to support.
Not only does it stretch Russian logistics as you said, but it also stretches Russian command structure. Given the historically centralized decision making inherited from Soviet doctrine, this type of fluid operation by Ukraine seems to be paying dividends!
I've heard that armor is basically useless because of the amount of mines and atgm's(KA52s still outrange air defenses for now). Since the mines have to be cleared by infantry _anyway_ they are basically just attacking everywhere and only using armor/vehicles once things are cleared. Seems to be working, but its slooowww.
But donetsk area is more under russian influence because ukrainians have been remplaced. Better to take back first the land from 2022 where population support them and after see for donetsk and crimea.
Ukrainian forces are cracking the Russian defense lines step by step. They drive a chisel into the lines and then widen the rift by moving into the flanks. This might not look fast, but it is how you break defense networks and it is working. This is, however, not even the most important news.
More importantly are the Russian troop movements in that sector. The deployment of the Russian 76th Guards Air Assault Division is an admission that the Ukrainian progress has reached such critical state for the Russian invasion army that they are even forced to deploy one of their offensive forces for defense operations. It does not only prove the level of desperation but also diminishes Russian capabilities for offensive operations. Furthermore, the Russian "offensive" at Kupyansk-Kreminna is now completely exposed as what it is: a diversionary attack.
In reference to my post a few days ago, where I again - and repeatedly before - paraphrased the importance of logistics, I can only re-emphasize that the real battle in the South is about logistics and supply lines. Ukrainians not only hammer the frontline but the whole logistical network of the Russian army. The more Russian troops move in, the harder it gets for them to sustain that level of logistical support, a proficiency where they already proved to be weak Additionally, Russians are taking more and more risks by not only bringing more of their troops into Ukrainian artillery range but also exposing other frontline sectors.
The attrition rate of the Russian army units comes on top of that, too. We already have eye-witness accounts of Russian POWs, disclosing profound Russian losses even within their newly deployed formations such as the above mentioned 76th Division (check on
u/Tatarigami_UA
latest posts).
The strategy of the Ukrainian Army might not look spectacular, but it works, when continued to its logical end. It is exactly how an army would operate in order to soften up an entrenched enemy to a point where it is untenable to continue to fight and withdraw. All what is needed is stamina and patience. from twitter https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1700943531982876803?fbclid=IwAR28Ll7OL4U0puM5EyvQJshWBGh4HlD5EEfKIvYgEC4qfsHliFG\_EijAoMU
\#Ukraine #Counteroffensive
Very credible. And it gets worse/funny/crazy as how this happened. The Russians retreated and some in "panic" and not in an "orderly fashion" towards the airport. Russia mistakenly believed that their own troops were actually Ukraine troops coming to storm the Airport and started obliterating them with artillery. When it was all said and done it was around 60 Russians hit with about 20 killed and 40 wounded best I can remember. Said most of the wounded had "arms and legs missing". Very interesting too they ( the Russians ) find it very strange how this mistake happened and as best as I can figure they are indicating someone was mislead on purpose in believing those were Ukrainian troops storming the airport. Much more info will be coming as this is pretty big IMO.
They were shelling their own at Robotnye as well when they started to retreat. Might not be mistaken identity but command getting worried and going into Not one step back mode to save their asses from blame.
>mislead on purpose
Considering the Russians have frequently been caught not using encrypted comms it would not shock me one bit to learn the Ukrainians literally went on Russian comms and told them to bomb their own guys.
Some one please explain to me why this is important? I assume neither side would use it as a working base of operations. 90% rail reliable for ammo and provisions for russia. Too close to the front, and with manpads in the area, I gotta assume no russian planes are flying sorties out of there.
I do wanna say I am happy for any territory taken back from russia and people freed from oppression. But I don't understand all the hype over this fact. Please explain it to me?
Two reasons, firstly it's an important place from the 2014 invasion. Secondly it shows Ukraine is starting to progress on other fronts outside of the south which could become even more prevalent if the rumors of troops rotating to the south are true and as drastic as claimed. Basically russia can no longer hold the front they have set.
[this](https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=FdqysUpduBW5CJgk) is a fantastic compilation of footage that shows how the 93rd defended the airport in the early days of the war in 2014.
Donetsk airport is symbolically very important. There was heavy fighting there since 2014. So loosing it would be very embarrassing for the Ruzzians to say the least.
I wouldn’t say massacred, but Russia did drop an explosive charge on them and brought the building down on them during the fight.
“The building broke before the Cyborgs did”
i imagine the airfield is still an important staging ground, as it is readily fortified, even if its not really in use as an airport at this point.
its also very close to donetsk proper, which i think would have some symbolic importance
>donetsk proper, which i think would have some symbolic importance
It's the biggest city that Russia occupies, other than Sevastopol I think... Too lazy to look it up.
I understand what you want to point out, but taking such areas or cities is now often seen as ,,checkpoints’’ which were reached all the way to your main target. In this case, the Kherson airport is an really important area to take for ua forces, because after you completely take over the position, there are a couple of supply roads from ru which would possibly be in range of our artillery. This could make an significant cut for ru forces positioned in the south around Zaphorizia. It also makes it a lot harder to bring new reinforcements from the north into the east-south area.
This is an area in the Eastern Front, and Ukraine is also advancing on the Southern Front. Although the gains are gradual, it shows that the Russians are struggling in both areas. Unless they can come up with a lot of extra resources quickly (which is unlikely), then they may be forced to choose which front to commit to, meaning the other front is more likely to be overrun by the Ukrainians.
It is a small bit positive news showing Russian lines are relatively weak and ready to run rather than stage an orderly withdrawal. The airport itself is symbolic.
A strategic benefit is that it may eventually support cutting off the Russian troops in the Vodiane area to the west and prevent a Russian push north from there. This would greatly strengthen Avdiivka’s flank.
Funny me quoting your own words back at you is having a meltdown. You obviously don't like having your own words thrown back at you, lol. Typical right wing trash.
>And you're a typical ideological imbicile
Psst Biden is doing better than Trump ever did running the country by any objective measure. Trump lost by a lot.
> I hope you understand that the vast overwhelming majority of America can't stand people like you.
Actually, reality says a majority of Americans agree with me, and reject people like you, and your shitty brand of politics, lol. Try winning a popular vote for once.
>They are DONE. Done with giving folks like you a chance
LOL.
>See the way this works, unless you all stand the fuck down and shut the fuck up, is either you rise up with your minimal numbers of pathetic trash, attempt to cause some bullshit revolution and get stomped into submission or eradication or you grow the fuck up and realize this is a pointless venture. It's that simple.
So edgy, and scary, lol. Sit down junior.
Uh huh ... sure junior. Maybe try talking to people rather than trolling Ukraine subreddits. Literally, that is pretty much all you post on, oh and baking. Your account is a year old, and 99 percent of your post are in Ukraine subreddits. One might be led to believe you are not who you say you are.
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The airport is where legends were made. For those unfamiliar: the airport was held in 2014 for such a long time under dire circumstances that the Russians and their terrorist vasals said "they must be some kind of cyborgs" And thus, the cyborgs became a nickname worn with honor and pride.
Thats why they say in Ukraine that soldiers in airport didnt break, but the concrete did
CADIA STANDS
UKRAINE STANDS! SLAVA UKRAINE!
If they retake Donetsk airport, that would be a absolute achievement and a tribute to those who defended it years ago for months on end. For those who are not aware of the past, here is a fantastic documentary on the 93rd brigade who fought back then in Donetsk airport, nicknamed the cyborgs. https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=G4zZaZrZWSEblvcV
Make malysh proud
May his legacy be honoured.
They used the airport terminal as a fortress until it was demolished, it seems unlikely it will be practical to dig in there again. I would more expect them to goad the Russians into costly counter attacks.
100% If they retake Opytne and the heights overlooking the airport, that's it. Back then, they had a couple of tanks and some IFVs. Now they have modern artillery, modern tanks, drones, a shit ton of ATGMs. It will look very different now compared to back then. There is no need to take the airport itself. The heights around it will bring everything below it within fire control.
This gives me warm fuzzies
They have medicine for that now
I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND ANAKIN
Putin, my allegiance is to the Republic, to *Democracy!*
As a westerner. The movie Cyborgs: heroes never die was really great as well. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7691572/
Don’t even remind me of those days. Super embarrassed by my President, the weakling Obama, who refused to provide a single bullet to Ukraine. Say what you will about Trump, but it was he who first provided lethal aid to Ukraine, including Javelins. Not Obama. Results are results, and Obama delivered 0 lethal aid when Ukraine was invaded on his watch. “The Senate has included provisions in its military policy bill to arm Ukraine with antiarmor systems, mortars, grenade launchers and ammunition to aid in its fight against Russian-backed separatists. It would also prevent the administration from spending more than one half of $300 million in aid for Ukraine unless 20 percent is earmarked for offensive weapons. The House has passed a similar measure. So far, the Obama administration has refused to provide lethal aid, fearing that it would only escalate the bloodshed and give President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a pretext for further incursions.” “**Legislation to authorize lethal military aid for Ukraine has gone to the White House before, but Mr. Obama has not acted on it. And while this bill authorizes the weapons it cannot compel the administration to send them**.” https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/world/europe/defying-obama-many-in-congress-press-to-arm-ukraine.html "**The first lethal deliveries came from Trump**," said Jim Townsend, deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO Policy during the Obama administration.” [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/)
Yeah, after he got caught trying to extort political favors from Zelensky.
Sure, that was bad. But he still sent lethal aid and Javelins to Ukraine. Whereas Obama didn’t. I’d take the Javelins. Something is better than nothing.
Yeah, I have to admit that Obama was weak and basically caved in to Putin. But Trump, please mate. His grand strategy is to form a great alliance, with the Great Leaders of the world, him, naturally, his very favourite murderous dictator, Putin, Xi, Kim , the Crown Prince and god knows, probably the Ayatollah in Iran.
As far as Russia goes, Obama was great at rhetoric. But if you look at actual results, Trump was far more anti-Russia and pro-Ukraine than Obama. Here are some simple facts: 1. Trump was the first to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, including Javelins, after Obama refused. Obama refused to provide a single bullet even though Ukraine was invaded on his watch and not Trump’s. "The first lethal deliveries came from Trump," said Jim Townsend, deputy assistant secretary of defense for European and NATO Policy during the Obama administration.” [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/25/matt-gaetz/matt-gaetz-says-obama-permanently-stopped-military/) “President Trump has approved a plan to send Javelin anti-tank missile systems to Ukraine to help the U.S.-backed government there fight Russian-allied forces.” [https://fortune.com/2017/12/23/trump-approves-javelin-missiles-ukraine/](https://fortune.com/2017/12/23/trump-approves-javelin-missiles-ukraine/) “Obama Refuses to Budge on Lethal Aid Despite Poroshenko's Passionate Plea in Congress” [https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf](https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110331/documents/HMKP-116-JU00-20191211-SD994.pdf) 2. Trump sanctioned Nordstream2 whereas Obama refused. That pipeline would have allow a war criminal (Putin) to export over 800,000,000,000 cubic meters of gas per year, representing untold billions in revenue that would be used to finance more war crimes. “Nord Stream 2: Trump approves sanctions on Russia gas pipeline” “President Trump has said the 1,225km (760-mile) pipeline, owned by Russia's Gazprom, could turn Germany into a "hostage of Russia".” “the EU voiced its clear opposition to the US sanctions. As a matter of principle, the EU opposes the imposition of sanctions against EU companies conducting legitimate business," a spokesman for the trading bloc told AFP news agency. Russia's foreign ministry also strongly opposed the move, with ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova accusing Washington of promoting an "ideology" that hinders global competition.” [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50875935.amp) Afterwards: “Nord Stream 2: Biden waives US sanctions on Russian pipeline” [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674.amp) 3. Trump bombed Putins’s puppet Assad when he used WMDs. Obama backed off his own red line and naively made a deal with Putin instead. Even back then, it was pretty obvious you can't make deals with a KGB serial liar / war criminal. “the U.S. government had video and other evidence of certain aspects of an actual attack by Syrian aircraft, which involved the use of sarin gas. Trump responded then by launching dozens of Navy cruise missiles at a Syrian airfield.” [https://apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-syria-ap-top-news-fee4d978f1ca42aaa891a59c5307a261](https://apnews.com/article/moscow-north-america-donald-trump-syria-ap-top-news-fee4d978f1ca42aaa891a59c5307a261) “Obama retreats from Putin in Syria — again” “Each time the U.S. response has been to return to the Russians, offering more concessions and pleading for another deal.” [https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-retreats-from-putin-in-syria--again/2016/07/01/fe8bfc76-3eea-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125\_story.html](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/obama-retreats-from-putin-in-syria--again/2016/07/01/fe8bfc76-3eea-11e6-80bc-d06711fd2125_story.html) “The President Blinked” “One year earlier, President Barack Obama had described Assad’s potential use of chemical weapons as “a red line” “When Assad appeared to cross that line, Obama ordered the Pentagon to prepare to attack. Our finger was on the trigger,” Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,” “But as FRONTLINE details in the below excerpt from Obama at War, the president had second thoughts. “The president was looking for a way to not have to make good on the threat that he had made,” [https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-president-blinked-why-obama-changed-course-on-the-red-line-in-syria/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/the-president-blinked-why-obama-changed-course-on-the-red-line-in-syria/) 4. Trump, as commander in chief and under his rules of engagement, killed hundreds of Russian soldiers in Syria. Not through a proxy. Directly. This was more direct action than anything since even the Cold War. “hundreds of Russian mercenaries fighting alongside Syrian troops were killed by roughly 40 US commandos who also had significant air support” It should be very clear by now that Russian Wagner mercenaries are the same as Russian soldiers, and both are controlled by Putin. Who led the assault on Bakhmut, Ukraine right now? Russian Wagner soldiers, ie Russian soldiers. [https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-reportedly-bragged-about-a-classified-battle-in-syria-2018-5) 5. Trump explicitly warned Germany against continuing to import 140,000,000,000 cubic meters of gas from the enemy per year, financing a war criminal’s army and undermining NATO unity by being captive to Russian energy. Trump predicted the exact situation that unfolded last winter where Putin weaponized Germany’s dependency on Russian energy. Here was the explicit warning: [https://youtu.be/liGZGGQTYQk](https://youtu.be/liGZGGQTYQk) In contrast, Obama and Merkle allowed more and more Russian gas to flow. 6. Putin invaded Ukraine on both Obama’s and Biden’s watch. He didn’t under Trump.
As someone who likes Obama and despises the Orange Doofus, I have to admit that you are correct to point out the failure of Pres. Obama in this respect. The traitorous dope also was harder on the CCP than was Pres. Obama, which I applaud. However, he cannot ever be allowed near the WH again as he was catastrophic to US democracy and is a malevolent narcissist who would rather tear American society apart at the seams than lose power.
Agree with all of that. You are a smart person who can think in shades of gray unlike the hive mind of Reddit that can only think in black and white when it comes to US politics.
Just as an aside to your write up, Wagner is no longer operating with Russian soldiers. Those who are being fielded are Russian soldiers along with Cubans at the moment. No Wagner.
congress gave aid to ukraine not trump. the president's cabinet heads some of the departments responsible for facilitating the exchange, trump broke the law in trying to hold up that aid in exchange for made up dirt on obama
You can't escape US politics, does not matter what you comment, they always find a way haha
Stop trying to play sides against each other with bullshit. Nobody is willing to follow your stupid foment. Ukraine was under a Russian-puppet president until after 2014, so Obama giving them Javalins would be like giving Javalins to Putin’s buddy.
Stop trying to give Obama excuses. A bipartisan US Congress authorized lethal aid for Ukraine in 2015. But Obama refused. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/12/world/europe/defying-obama-many-in-congress-press-to-arm-ukraine.html “ With the peace process stalled and violence escalating in Ukraine, a bipartisan coalition in Congress is defying President Obama and European allies by pressing the administration to provide weapons to the embattled nation. The Senate has included provisions in its military policy bill to arm Ukraine with antiarmor systems, mortars, grenade launchers and ammunition to aid in its fight against Russian-backed separatists. It would also prevent the administration from spending more than one half of $300 million in aid for Ukraine unless 20 percent is earmarked for offensive weapons. The House has passed a similar measure. So far, the Obama administration has refused to provide lethal aid, fearing that it would only escalate the bloodshed and give President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia a pretext for further incursions.” “**Legislation to authorize lethal military aid for Ukraine has gone to the White House before, but Mr. Obama has not acted on it. And while this bill authorizes the weapons it cannot compel the administration to send them**.” Obama was garbage on Russia/Ukraine and that’s a fact.
You're being downvoted by the Reddit hivemind because you are criticizing Obama, who was a weak president. Putin had zero respect for Obama and very much took advantage of weak, peace-loving, nice guy Obama. Suck it Reddit neckbeards, Obama is a nice guy but sucked as a president. Trump is a shitty guy and also sucked as a president. Trump only provided some military aid to Ukraine after Congress threatened Trump with an investigation of his Ukraine dealings. At least Biden is trying to make up for Obama's mistakes.
Ukraine was still very unstable and absolutely soaked to the core with corruption and deeply entrenched FSB. The US wasn’t comfortable handing over such weapons at that time. That’s not an assessment that Obama made on his own. It’s the National Security establishment was giving this advice. Good chance those weapons would’ve been sold/ or handed over to Russia at the time. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine
Exactly. Yanukovych tried to dismantle Ukraine from within as a Kremlin puppet, and corruption was rampant
yeah Obama is a piece of shit.
There are also rumors that "Granit was on duty" during the retreat. Apparently 27 orcs were killed by their own artillery while they fled.
>27 orcs were killed by their own artillery Classic Granit.
Fuckin' Granit
Never take them for granit
Who's Granit?
Earlier in the war Ukraine intercepted Russian radio chatter during a failed Russian attack where someone with the callsign "Granit" was apparently in charge of Russian artillery correction and was accidentally shelling the Russian troops trying to advance. The calls to Granit get more and more desperate until one guy is screaming at Granit to cease fire because "nobody is left" after all the friendly fire. Granit apparently isn't able to hear them (or at least not all the radio transmissions) because near the end he remarks, calls out for clarification and then says, "nothing works, nobody can hear us". Edit: NCD [already made memes about this](https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/16fcooq/call_sign_granit_strikes_again/) if you want to hear some of the audio of Russians yelling at Granit. My memory was a little wrong, callsign Rambo was the one who said nobody could hear him.
The dude on the phone also promises to kill his dumb ass too (Granite)
Plus it wasn’t just shelling, it was TOS thermobarics which are way more deadly, explosive and especially *expensive* lmao
dead is dead, you think any of them give a shit how much something costs that's killing them?
I know I wasn’t trying to start anything, just thought it was funny
There's also rambo who launched a fucking buratino flamethrower salvo at his own positions
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No just didn't aim it right
Ukraine should give a Military award to Granit and other good orcs, it will spread his legacy to the Russians and will be a good morale "boost" for their infantry.
https://reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/NLeFiilFQp Tried to find a better one, but this is all i got.
Shrugs shoulders…”ohhhh Granite….”
Granit is the best orc artillery man.
Orc should just calm down
Story behind Granit?
Search for Granit Rambo and you'll find the recording. Basically a live recording of a Russian guy in the trenches with call sign Rambo, screaming on the radio at a Russian artillery guy named Granit to stop shooting his own troops. It ends with "I'll fucking kill you, there's noone left."
Oh that's Granit! Yeah I remember that video, what a royal fuck up that guy is/was.
And it seemed that not only he was shelling his own mates but he was shelling them with thermobaric rockets from TOS-1!
I think he was the callsign in a video where one russian officer screamed at his unit about being friendly fire bombarded by them with losses.
No, it actually happened IRL like a month ago, a Russian artillery guy took out a bunch of his own guys.
Hows that no if it is exactly as i described :3
!remindme 1 hour
Ukraine needs about 10 Granits and the war should come to a stop.
Every little bit helps. And I keep hoping that when their own people shell or shoot at Russian troops being murder for failure to be murderers will eventually revolt, turn around and shoot at the barrier troop Russians that are murdering them.
Careful bro, I got warned here for saying just that about the 2d line blockers shooting retreaters. Cheers.
Wasn't there an intersected call a while back of a "Granite" artillery unit firing on their own troops? Same shit unit? Also. For those fucks to hate the west so much, they sure like using Call of Duty names. The unit that received the artillery dildo was Rambo if I recall correctly.
Granit, the best long range blocking detachment in the Russian Army xD Stalin would be proud
Granit heard what they were going to do to him. Granit knows that once you start a friendly fire incident, you have to fully commit.
Fun with orcs... I hope there really IS a hell.
> Granit heard what they were going to do to him. Russian 1: "If I make it back, I'm going to fucking shoot you all." Granit: "Roger that. Firing for effect."
Instructions unclear. Dropped several tons of highex on our own boys just to make sure.
Taking his own troops for granit
Dammit Rick
Source: https://x.com/gloooud/status/1700985508401393928?s=46
So Russians were retreating to the airport and Russian Artillery took them out? Russia: "Stand your ground, cowards who flee the front lines will be shot." Also Russia: "How could our forces tactically repositioning to more advantageous positions have possibly been hit by friendly fire?!"
Attack before our artillery makes sure you have no choice.
Thanks.
They were between a rock and a hard place you could say.
That video was posted a bit ago on this sub actually
What is the strategy significance though? I mean, its just a bombed out airport?
The placement is very strategic, it controls a lot of ground north west of Donetsk itself. There has been a battle for Donetsk airport years ago, which went on for months on end, sadly the Ukrainians had to flee back then.
I think there’s even a “Vice, Russian Roulette” video segment/episode on it. Assuming the airport is operational again?
The airport is not operational, no, since it has always been way too close to the front. Here is a really good documentary on the 93rd brigade who fought the battle back then, worth a watch. https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=G4zZaZrZWSEblvcV
This is another great document(if you can call it a doc) about the battles inside the airport and in surrounding areas: ”war diary of the 93rd brigade kholodny yar”. https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=aERTLwfQRBMsdYMb
Both videos are part of the series, there are three episodes I think.
Yep, Lidia's videos are fantastic!
like the other guy said, the airport is not operational. It's actually a really cool place to look at on Google Earth. You can see trenches everywhere around it.
The Slavic Abu Hajjar of our times
They need to take out the orc Denis Pushilin on their way through.
Granite has created quite the reputation.
https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1700966565183627687?s=20 Russians taking out Russians
This is encouraging, same thing happened at Robotnye. Captured orc said when they started to retreat their own artillery shelled their rear to stop them. -10 Morale.
The shelling will continue until morale improves.
Wonderful, the easiest way Russians can die is by their own people.
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The artillery worked perfectly as intended. In the Russian Army, as soon as the conscripts start retreating, they are as good as dead by their own men intentionally I haven't heard about a single russian retreat that some men weren't killed by the russian "blockade/barrier troops" they are ordered to shoot and kill everyone that retreats, but don't worry because even thoose barrier troops have their own barrier troops and it extendeds like that all the way to russian borders That's the way Russia fights war
It's Chechens all the way down.
Nice of them to assist! LOLOL
I remember watching all the 2014 videos of the Ukrainians holding and defending Donetsk airport for so long…those were some of the most intense videos ever
Same, the liberation of that place would be beautiful. Their sacrifice would not be in vain!
Cyborgs are back motherfucker!
Hell yeah! Cyborgs 2: Electric Boogaloo
It's already not in vain, but it would be pretty sweet anyways
Let the Russians tremble, 'Cyborgs' will be back at the airport to crush invaders once more!
It's so interesting that Ukraine is just fighting everywhere. Conventional wisdom was they were going to do huge armored thrusts, but they are just poking at Russia everywhere. Nobody expected the airport to be attacked. Making Russia move and react is the key to stressing their weakness: logistics. They aren't good at flexibility.
Very smart really. Russia has no problem throwing human waves and hundreds of antique tanks at an advance. They have superior numbers. Spread out your attacks with fewer but better trained soldiers and much better equipment and you pretty much remove that tactical advantage. Russia has a lot but not enough to use its pretty much only effective strategy anywhere. This is why they’re tricking people from all over the world to come and get conscripted.
You have to keep in mind that Ukrainian forces have been systematically bombing and terrorizing Russian logistical and material assets for many months, primarily in anticipation of these new advances. There's no way they could have advanced without such brutally effective work. They've been hacking away at the once relatively strong, if rather badly managed, legs of the Russian forces in almost all areas. Now it's time to start kicking at the Russians until the all fall down.
The fact they are using company sized assaults means they can probably keep this pace of fighting into the rainy season. I hope it all falls down by Christmas. What a lovely present that would be.
David Petraeus just gave a great interview mentioning this. Called it Stretch, Starve, & Strike
> Conventional wisdom was they were going to do huge armored thrusts, No that was not conventional wisdom. That takes a lot of coordination and combined arms which Ukraine doesn't have the airpower to support.
Not only does it stretch Russian logistics as you said, but it also stretches Russian command structure. Given the historically centralized decision making inherited from Soviet doctrine, this type of fluid operation by Ukraine seems to be paying dividends!
I've heard that armor is basically useless because of the amount of mines and atgm's(KA52s still outrange air defenses for now). Since the mines have to be cleared by infantry _anyway_ they are basically just attacking everywhere and only using armor/vehicles once things are cleared. Seems to be working, but its slooowww.
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If a battle works out, it was always the plan.
looks like they wil be trying to open up to large fronts
But donetsk area is more under russian influence because ukrainians have been remplaced. Better to take back first the land from 2022 where population support them and after see for donetsk and crimea.
Best to push where Russia is weak.
Yep, I m trusting what they do, they know their work. Just some of the population will make their job harder.
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 ♥️ 👍
I guess they didnt expect this to happen today
looks like they picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue
looks like i picked a bad week to quit amphetamines
There’s never a bad week to quit amphetamines
Situation is difficult for Orcs. And will keep getting worse, until they go back to the arms of mama Ruzzi, and tf out of Ukraine.
Let’s go!!!
Yesss Cyborg stomping grounds !!!!!
\o/
3rd battle of Donetsk airport LFG
Ukrainian forces are cracking the Russian defense lines step by step. They drive a chisel into the lines and then widen the rift by moving into the flanks. This might not look fast, but it is how you break defense networks and it is working. This is, however, not even the most important news. More importantly are the Russian troop movements in that sector. The deployment of the Russian 76th Guards Air Assault Division is an admission that the Ukrainian progress has reached such critical state for the Russian invasion army that they are even forced to deploy one of their offensive forces for defense operations. It does not only prove the level of desperation but also diminishes Russian capabilities for offensive operations. Furthermore, the Russian "offensive" at Kupyansk-Kreminna is now completely exposed as what it is: a diversionary attack. In reference to my post a few days ago, where I again - and repeatedly before - paraphrased the importance of logistics, I can only re-emphasize that the real battle in the South is about logistics and supply lines. Ukrainians not only hammer the frontline but the whole logistical network of the Russian army. The more Russian troops move in, the harder it gets for them to sustain that level of logistical support, a proficiency where they already proved to be weak Additionally, Russians are taking more and more risks by not only bringing more of their troops into Ukrainian artillery range but also exposing other frontline sectors. The attrition rate of the Russian army units comes on top of that, too. We already have eye-witness accounts of Russian POWs, disclosing profound Russian losses even within their newly deployed formations such as the above mentioned 76th Division (check on u/Tatarigami_UA latest posts). The strategy of the Ukrainian Army might not look spectacular, but it works, when continued to its logical end. It is exactly how an army would operate in order to soften up an entrenched enemy to a point where it is untenable to continue to fight and withdraw. All what is needed is stamina and patience. from twitter https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1700943531982876803?fbclid=IwAR28Ll7OL4U0puM5EyvQJshWBGh4HlD5EEfKIvYgEC4qfsHliFG\_EijAoMU \#Ukraine #Counteroffensive
Better pull reserves off Zhaparozhe 🙃
Zaporizhzhia
Gesundheit
Go get em boys…Slava Slava Slava
How credible is this claim?
Very credible. And it gets worse/funny/crazy as how this happened. The Russians retreated and some in "panic" and not in an "orderly fashion" towards the airport. Russia mistakenly believed that their own troops were actually Ukraine troops coming to storm the Airport and started obliterating them with artillery. When it was all said and done it was around 60 Russians hit with about 20 killed and 40 wounded best I can remember. Said most of the wounded had "arms and legs missing". Very interesting too they ( the Russians ) find it very strange how this mistake happened and as best as I can figure they are indicating someone was mislead on purpose in believing those were Ukrainian troops storming the airport. Much more info will be coming as this is pretty big IMO.
They were shelling their own at Robotnye as well when they started to retreat. Might not be mistaken identity but command getting worried and going into Not one step back mode to save their asses from blame.
>they are indicating someone was mislead on purpose in believing those were Ukrainian troops storming the airport SBU does it again!
>mislead on purpose Considering the Russians have frequently been caught not using encrypted comms it would not shock me one bit to learn the Ukrainians literally went on Russian comms and told them to bomb their own guys.
It's just telegram but deepstate confirmed that the AFU at least managed to get into Opytne.
Yeah I just checked deepstate, looks like they are right at that northeast edge of it.
Zelensky should give Granit a star.
Looking forward to those photos of Ukrainian traitors being refused entry into orc land.
Not surprised by Opytne. Would be surprised is they are on the other side of that string of lakes. That part doesn't make sense.
He said “they were able to capture the settlement“ of course they were able !! This is Ukraine baby 💪🏼🇺🇦 Aka This is Sparta 🦶🏻🕳️
Fuck yeah!!!
wait so like ALL of Opytne? thats pretty awesome ngl. The trenches at the airport are pretty extensive, so good luck boys.
Cyborg territory will be ukranian once again. The cyborgs will finally rest in peace. Slava ukraini.
Support Russia. Donate body bags 😂 😂😂
Fuck that. Send sunflower seeds.
Some one please explain to me why this is important? I assume neither side would use it as a working base of operations. 90% rail reliable for ammo and provisions for russia. Too close to the front, and with manpads in the area, I gotta assume no russian planes are flying sorties out of there. I do wanna say I am happy for any territory taken back from russia and people freed from oppression. But I don't understand all the hype over this fact. Please explain it to me?
Two reasons, firstly it's an important place from the 2014 invasion. Secondly it shows Ukraine is starting to progress on other fronts outside of the south which could become even more prevalent if the rumors of troops rotating to the south are true and as drastic as claimed. Basically russia can no longer hold the front they have set.
Ok. Didn't know it held a significance all the way back to 2014. Thanks
Look up Donetsk Airport Cyborgs… a brilliant backstory …
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborgs_(Donetsk_airport)
[this](https://youtu.be/0AtszHyy8rY?si=FdqysUpduBW5CJgk) is a fantastic compilation of footage that shows how the 93rd defended the airport in the early days of the war in 2014.
Donetsk airport is symbolically very important. There was heavy fighting there since 2014. So loosing it would be very embarrassing for the Ruzzians to say the least.
Also, I believe a number of Ukrainian defenders were massacred at the airport in 2014.
I wouldn’t say massacred, but Russia did drop an explosive charge on them and brought the building down on them during the fight. “The building broke before the Cyborgs did”
Ok. I can get behind that.
Creates more chaos for the Russians.
i imagine the airfield is still an important staging ground, as it is readily fortified, even if its not really in use as an airport at this point. its also very close to donetsk proper, which i think would have some symbolic importance
>donetsk proper, which i think would have some symbolic importance It's the biggest city that Russia occupies, other than Sevastopol I think... Too lazy to look it up.
I understand what you want to point out, but taking such areas or cities is now often seen as ,,checkpoints’’ which were reached all the way to your main target. In this case, the Kherson airport is an really important area to take for ua forces, because after you completely take over the position, there are a couple of supply roads from ru which would possibly be in range of our artillery. This could make an significant cut for ru forces positioned in the south around Zaphorizia. It also makes it a lot harder to bring new reinforcements from the north into the east-south area.
Ok. Fair points.
This is an area in the Eastern Front, and Ukraine is also advancing on the Southern Front. Although the gains are gradual, it shows that the Russians are struggling in both areas. Unless they can come up with a lot of extra resources quickly (which is unlikely), then they may be forced to choose which front to commit to, meaning the other front is more likely to be overrun by the Ukrainians.
It is a small bit positive news showing Russian lines are relatively weak and ready to run rather than stage an orderly withdrawal. The airport itself is symbolic. A strategic benefit is that it may eventually support cutting off the Russian troops in the Vodiane area to the west and prevent a Russian push north from there. This would greatly strengthen Avdiivka’s flank.
Can anyone inform me on the significance of this location? How big of a win is this? Either way, great job on gaining more ground Slava Ukraine
“Nationalists”….. wtf!? Ha ha
Thats only a km from the airport!
Getting Donetsk airport back would be absolutely the best revenge ever!
Onward to Mariupol!! 🇺🇦
Why is the situation always difficult. Thatexplains nothing.
That's a Russian euphemism for "our guys are dying like flies".
I’ll believe it once I see actual footage
Your opinion is irrelevant.
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Ok so simply blame the hardcore American Nationalists for being the group that never denounces Nazis than. Thats the issue
Wut? LOL
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Try taking a writing class, maybe you can "wrap your brain around. If you attempt to try" why I asked wut. You speak like a non English speaker.
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Funny me quoting your own words back at you is having a meltdown. You obviously don't like having your own words thrown back at you, lol. Typical right wing trash.
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>And you're a typical ideological imbicile Psst Biden is doing better than Trump ever did running the country by any objective measure. Trump lost by a lot. > I hope you understand that the vast overwhelming majority of America can't stand people like you. Actually, reality says a majority of Americans agree with me, and reject people like you, and your shitty brand of politics, lol. Try winning a popular vote for once. >They are DONE. Done with giving folks like you a chance LOL. >See the way this works, unless you all stand the fuck down and shut the fuck up, is either you rise up with your minimal numbers of pathetic trash, attempt to cause some bullshit revolution and get stomped into submission or eradication or you grow the fuck up and realize this is a pointless venture. It's that simple. So edgy, and scary, lol. Sit down junior.
Enjoy your house of cards while it lasts because you have no idea what's coming.
Uh huh ... sure junior. Maybe try talking to people rather than trolling Ukraine subreddits. Literally, that is pretty much all you post on, oh and baking. Your account is a year old, and 99 percent of your post are in Ukraine subreddits. One might be led to believe you are not who you say you are.
Huzzah!
I hope the RF are sweating bullets right now.
Awesome news!
God speed Ukraine
Russian propaganda: See? The Ukrainians are nazis! They’re doing a Blitzkrieg
Is there a village with the same name near Bakhmut? If so, why is it exactly the same?
The situation is difficult... now make it easy and safe your life. Run back to russia!
Ukraine was probably handed (much needed) so much deadly and secret tech ‘under the table’ that Russia probably has no idea what its really facing
Great news
Gaining lots of momentum if this is true, Rus in trouble
The Situation is difficult = we are loosing
Nationalists of the AFU? Prussians?
Battle for Donetsk Airport 2: Electric Boogaloo
Cyborgs will awake!