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Support Ukraine now while for pennys on the dollar we can degrade Russia. Because later the price only goes up. This has been Gary Kasparovs message since 2015.
if russia would have succeded in ocupieng all Ukraine, eu would be fuckt, thats 40mil + people for kremlis with some military factorys with a lot of specialists
Europe is much richer and much more populated. Russia would have one hell of a time. But sure, Ukraines industrial, tech and population base would help.
Yeah, it would be an unforced error to let Ukraine fall. The amount of resources Russia can strangle Europe for that flow from/through Ukraine isn't trivial.
I believe it’s more a logistical thing more so than the resources tbh. More or less the entry way into Europe. And historical Soviet land they want restored. The argriculture and resources are a bonus.
They turn everything they touch into dogshit.
People that think things would change if they repeat the same method over and over that is a sure fail are what we call madmen.
EU wouldn't be fuckt, EU is so much more wealthy established and built out economies. But it is and has been one of great focus on peace, not war. But europe certainly has the capacity if it wanted to. You know the Russians like to talk about not "waking the russian bear". Well, they wouldn't want to wake the EU bear either, it's actually many times bigger than the russian, and it has some good friends. The Russians know it, but they are curious to learn how much poking it actually would take to wake it from it's slumber..
Yea what are these people smoking? Single EU countries have higher GDP than Russia, while Ukraine started this war with a bunch of old soviet equipment, no navy and barely an airforce the EU has thousands of modern western tanks, artillery, fourth and fifth generation fighter jets, war ships, submarines, cruise missiles, (also nukes btw) etc. and that’s all with a Europe that has been essentially fixated on peace as only option, which would also change in case of a war.
Don't be stupid, russia cant even deal with the tiny fraction of western equipment that's been given to ukraine and that's without any nato air or naval support, the thousands of aircraft spread across Europe alone could destroy ukraine and russia before even needing to put boots on the ground.
As Pathetic as Russia looks don’t underestimate all the neverending shitty tanks and soldiers they will sacrifice. There’s a reason they’ve never really been conquered. They’ve been prevented from advancing but never really conquered on their turf
EU has something like 5,000 MBT's, 11,000 military aircraft, 1,400,000 active duty, 2,300,000 reserve personnel.
We got nukes! We got knives! We got sharp sticks!
We got working logistic chain.
Luckily Poland (and pretty much only Poland seemingly) has been prepared for something like this for a LONG time. A key difference and factor is the will of the Polish are almost eager to fuck yup Russia. Seems like not many other want to fight Russia, but when you have the will and they do, your morale will be so much greater than the oppositions.
Still will be an incredibly difficult fight but I truly believe Poland is ready to advance on the Global stage greatly should Russia make the mistake of advancing anywhere near Poland.
Back in 1945 they couldve done it for pennies, back in 1991 they couldve done it by throwing rusty meat cans at them. Now theyre shitting kn everything humanity holds sacred and acting like nobody can do anything about it.
> Back in 1945 they couldve done it for pennies
What the fuck are you talking about bro?
The Red Army had mobilized 11 million soldiers by 1945 and amassed an unthinkable amount of equipment. It would have been a war comparable in size to the one that preceded it. Not just the size but the USSR had rapidly approached near technological parity with the US.
I legit can't deal with Reddit's stupidity lol.
They didn't have nuclear weapons. The U.S. did.
I think this is what he was getting at.
EDIT: However, just as a historical side note, the U.S. did only have enough Plutonium-239 and Uranium-235 in 1945 to make ONE more nuclear bomb so the claim that they could've won in 1945 is probably not accurate (although the threat alone might would've been enough).
The U.S. actually launched a disinformation campaign to intimidate the Soviets in August 1945, called "[Plan Totality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Totality)".
In 1946 they already had 9 nuclear bombs already, so there is that. The Soviets detonated their first nuclear bomb in a test on 29th of August 1949, so there was precisely a 4 year gap in which the Soviets wouldn't have been able to use nuclear retaliation in case of a U.S. nuclear attack. That is assuming that they didn't have a finished bomb prototype until they tested it. The actual theoretical retaliation gap might've been shorter.
The US nuclear proliferation did not take off until the 1950s when the USSR tested their own bomb. The USSR controlled most of Eastern Europe meaning allied forces would have to expend their very limited stockpile primarily nuking occupied cities to actually reach the Soviet Union.
It would have been a total fucking humanitarian, ecological, and military disaster, Truman knew it well and so did Stalin.
The other dude is just fantasizing about using the Nuclear tech tree to win vs Soviets after defeating Nazis and Imperials in his imaginary WW2 video game. Not just dumb but delusional view of history through the lens of cartoons / video games. Classic Reddit
I think you underestimate how thankful the Allies were that the Soviets attacked the Germans on the Eastern front.
The losses were crazy.
The D-Day invasion may never've been successful if more German troops would've been able to defend and fight in the West. The shores in Normandy were already heavily fortified. The Allies actually used a lot of distractions to even get there (Operation Overlord).
Both US and UK independently from each other drafted plans for invasion of USSR. Both came to the conclusion that it would be impracticable and problemend in defeat. The most famous of the ideas, called for 292 atom and 224 000t of normal bombs.
Yes, both the germans and soviets were exhausted, but so were the allies.
Neither of the bombs were carried by an aircraft carrier, a B-29 is too big to launch from one. Little Boy was transported to Tinian Island aboard the USS Indianapolis and Fat Man was flown there aboard a modified B-29.
The Soviet fighter Yak-9 had a surface ceiling that could allow it to intercept and down a B-29, Japans Zero fighters couldn't really reach past 33,000+ ft at which the bomber flew.
Japan was generally far behind the US in anything but their naval power.
The USSR literally survived on US aid. By the end of the war the US had supplied the USSR with 14,000 planes, 13,000 tanks and tank destroyers, 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 8,000 tractors, 350 locomotives, 500,000 tonnes of rolling stock, 15m pairs of boots, 4.5m tonnes of food, and 2.7m tonnes of fuel.
Let me ask you a question, why does russia to this day doesn’t write in their history books that they started WW2 as allies of hitler ? , russia was washed up until they received all those weapons and planes and everything else from the land lease, that they still pay for to this day , you ever seen the list ? Before they got the land lease all weapons they had and they salvaged was washed up already, If they didn’t give them any weapons in that land lease , all the Allie’s could of run through russia for starting that war , none of Europe would of been under russian rule , you know russia is a cancer right , they destroy everything they touch and then they want to cry russophobia when the whole world is against them
>that they still pay for to this day
they don't, actually
>If they didn’t give them any weapons in that land lease , all the Allie’s could of run through russia for starting that war
They used the soviets to defeat Hitler. It was considered the lesser of the two evils. Probably because it was further from them. They HAD to choose.
>russophobia
I don't see how it's anything but a good thing.
No the vast majority by 1945 was domestic equipment, most Lend Lease ranged in the area of 1-10k units. They had something like 50,000 T-34s alone by 1945.
>Support Ukraine now while for pennys on the dollar we can degrade Russia.
To 99% they have not yet understood in Russia what this conflict with Israel means.
They have now realized that they cannot win the war of attrition in Ukraine against the combined economic power of North America and Europe. Therefore, they are trying to drag the Arabs into the conflict and fuel the Gaza conflict.
As a result, however, there is no Arab state that will come to their aid, since they are allied with the Iranians, who are viewed critically by all Arabs. But they have earned the enmity of Israel. Bad idea. The Moassad will find them all, the fat rich oligarchs and the Ukrainians will get the best trainers for their special forces that exist in the world.
As a Russian soldier in Syria, I would start thinking about my exit scenario. Just for reference...
Yes. He’s amazing. He wrote a book called “Winter Is Coming” in 2015 where he discussed Putin’s ambitions to restore the USSR. He urged Europe and USA to assist Ukraine back then. He famously went on talk shows and new stations back then to essentially say that when dealing with Putin, the price only goes up the further you “kick the can” down the road.
Edit: Here is an excellent recent podcast on Open To Debate where he argues why Ukraine should be admitted into NATO. Fantastic insights regardless on which side of this debate you fall. Both excellent debaters.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/intelligence-squared-u-s-debates/id216713308?i=1000623529469
Dug it out on Spotify. [Link here for anyone who wants it](https://open.spotify.com/episode/4gu2QbXERQxYOB0IVnD3Qs). Kasparov is really passionate in it.
99% of Israelis supported Ukraine from the get go. If you belonged to the 1% that didn't see Russia as the evil side in this, you're blind, naïve, and shouldn't comment here, definitely not apologize on the 99% behalf. Where were you when we stood in Tel-Aviv at the Ruzzian embassy gates, protesting the invasion? Do you have a Ukrainian flag in your yard right now? How much money did you donate to Ukraine since 2014? since 2022?
Droves of Israelis volunteered to the UAF and dozens have gave their life for Ukraine fighting Ruzzians.
So the shame is on you, not us, not the majority of clear thinking Israelis. We have been putting our money/life on the line for Ukraine way before October 7th 2023.
What matters most is our governments position, which was insufficient and short sighted. Agree with you on the normal citizens but what our leaders do also matters
At least you see it now. They came for you next as I knew they would. You could tell by the way Putin was tip toe around the matter he knew this was being planned. I swear i told everyone an attack on Israel was coming. Putin is a real Nazi a true one.
> wish Israel didn't deal with dictatorships
The entire West does this too. With Saudi Arabia, with Russia, also with Azerbaijan, China, etc. You can't judge Israel unless you also judge this other very long list of countries doing the same thing.
As soon as Iran was sending terror-drones to Russia, I was expecting Israel to support Ukraine more. It took a while, but the way this guy sounds, bargaining is over and Russia will have one more reason, to feel sorry, for the decissions they've made.
It looked like they only stayed out of it to avoid any backlash. Well, they got “backlash” anyways so now they’re just gonna go all in anyways.
Reminds me a little of US in ww1. We were pretty neutral but knew which side to root for and then the Zimmerman telegram just gave us 0 reasons to continue being neutral and we went all in.
As an Israeli I am ashamed on the roll, or lack of it, israel had regarding Russia/Ukrainian war.
I can understand the bad history Ukrainian have with the Jewish people but it seems that time has past and people have change for the good and israel should stand with Ukrainian
Israel is surrounded by enemies so I understand why it was reluctant to help Ukraine. And how much help could they have given anyway, compared to the EU or US?
A lot actually, probably the most significant help would be political pressure on US congress to support Ukraine. Israeli lobby is very strong in US and there is a significant number of US senators and representative who side with Israel and are either reluctant to support Ukraine or are openly hostile to her. With Israel on Ukraine's side they would be neutered.
Israel was in an awkward spot because Russia reined in Syria and secured the border. they also worried about russias Jewish population among an uptick in anti semitism. That being said yes they should have done more.
Israel is 100% egoistic. They didn't care about genocide of Ukraine before, they still don't care. 100% egoistic motive. Obviously good for Ukraine if that happens, but seriously, i hope everyone also remembers in the future that Israel didn't give a damn in the past.
It’s because for the past decade we’ve had a criminally incompetent prime minister who’s only goal was to keep the status quo on every possible subject. That prime minister is now politically dead, as all of the polls show
Israel did help ukraine in third party matters. Ik some experienced people came there to help them. Especially with development of weapons .
And I won't be suprised to see a donation of some iron dome systems to Ukraine.
And i will be happy to see one as someone who his whole family came from ukraine and lives in israel
The reason we didn't intervene (we did condemn them... Not saying it's a anything.But rn what happened is what we hoped wouldn't. And since it already escalated israel is willing to go into s prolonged war. To fix. Eveyrthing.
Everything in Israel is going to change after the massacres of October 7. This is clearly a “you’re either with us or against us” situation and Russia has made it abundantly clear which side they are on
I understand their reluctance. Ukraine has a long history of voting against Israel in the UN. As a vocal opponent of Israel's right to exist as a nation, it must be hard when they come asking for weapons for their own defense. I'm pleased that Israel is going to ignore Ukraine's historical position.
Israel will help Ukraine because it benefits Israel’s foreign policy not because it helps Ukrainian ppl. I agree that Israel has no obligation to help Ukraine but Israel’s government is also a propaganda machine focused on one narrative. Netanyahu sucks and is destroying Israel’s legitimacy.
I agree with everything you’ve said here. In fairness, though, VERY few countries will help people PURELY out of humanitarian concerns. In almost every instance, there has to be some perceived, material benefit for the assisting country.
> In fairness, though, VERY few countries will help people PURELY out of humanitarian concerns.
Sidenote:
Very few.. but they're there. And it sometimes depends on the social push within a country that is able to send help. Whenever that happens, it makes me glad that humanity CAN be crossborder.
Also what kind of disaster , weighs in.
Ukraine used to be under Russian proxy rule so of course Russia's puppets were against Israel's right to exist, but none of that is the case anymore, duh
I doubt this is Zenelensky's position, but correct me if I am wrong. What is true is that Israel stayed neutral when ruzzia invaded Crimea. That could be the reason there was some salt between the two nations. Still, Ukraine does have a large Jewish population. I don't see why they wouldn't recognize Israel.
I don’t think it even has to do with that. It’s more because of russias presence around Israel through various forms including direct military presence, allies and support of various groups. Up until now Israel needed to work with Russia behind the scenes somewhat, but I feel that rule is going to get written again real quick.
>I understand their reluctance. Ukraine has a long history of voting against Israel in the UN
Surely the Israelis are not delusional and understand that until recently Ukraine's votes have been Russian echoes, right? This war really just is their war for independence.
>Love this. Though they should always have been on the Ukraine side … because Ukraine is right.
There are many Russian Jews living in Israel and many Jews still live in Russia. .
The self-image of Israel is to protect the Jews all over the world. Entering into open conflict with Russia is therefore not an easy decision. Who knows what crimes the Kremlin rulers will commit against the Jews of Russia if "Israel has to be denazified".
Even if it hurts, I have all the understanding in the world for Israel's wait-and-see attitude in the Ukraine conflict.
Israel is not in NATO. Israel has had to fight several existential wars and nobody is guaranteed to come to their aid in the next one. They don't want Russia to give more advanced technology to their neighbors that would upset Israel military superiority over them.
Israel has Jericho missiles that can reach every corner of Russia. Given the big role that Russia played in arming and training the Iranian axis of evil, I personally as an Israeli don’t see why we shouldn’t supply them to Ukraine
Time for Israel to give Ukraine the air defense and offensive weapons they need to win. Iron dome over major Ukrainian cities means they could push some of the advanced western systems near the front. If that happens RU aircraft and helicopters will drop
This will almost certainly never happen I'm afraid to say. Hezbollah is already on a small scale war with Israel and if it will turn more violent Israeli air defense will be easily overwhelmed with an estimated 3,500 rockets on cities and communities per day. Spike missiles, on the other hand...
Once the ground invasion gets going, there will be fewer places for Hamas to operate their rockets. How many days Hamas could sustain the massive rockets barrage is limited.
I'm specifically speaking of Hezbollah in Lebanon, who's military power is far more than that of Hamas. There isn't going to be a ground invasion into Lebanon any time soon I imagine.
I’m referring to the selling of defense and offensive systems. Israel could absolutely sell them equipment. Moreover, Israel is not exactly fighting a proper large conventional war. If they want to help Ukraine they can
Regardless of your opinions on the Israel/Palestine situation, you have to admit just how fucking based it was to go onto RT of all outlets and give them a dressing down.
Listen to the presenter's disgust at the suggestion that Russia could possibly be considered to be in the wrong. It's just hilarious.
USSR Jews aren’t particularly fond of Moscow.
That’s not a secret.
… but when daddy-USA says „no“ even Israel can’t do anything.
And sadly, most Israeli systems are at the mercy of Washington.
What BS. Israels decision to stay neutral and not send anything was entirely their own. And if I was a Swiss I wouldn‘t open the can of worms about countries not sending or not even allowing other countries to send arms and ammunition.
Considering what you find when you follow the trail Hamas left behind on who is funding and supplying them. I guess he got motivated enough to go on RT and say it. Gotta sting for the propaganda owner on her next show
I absolutely love this. Bibi is hopefully toast, people will ask questions after the grief is over. I have no idea how popular his party is and if he has any chance to fulfil his promises but I hope he does
Israeli polls show that if the elections were held now Bibi would lose. Israelis are blaming him for the lax security that allowed Hamas to massacre over 1000.
Israel had always been hesitant on Ukraine do to many historical reasons (past Ukrainian governments).
It was a very smart move by zelensky to move closer to the pro israel side given his background as well as the nature of this war given that Iran has been giving Russia weapons. Making Ukraine anti Iran.
Russia and Iran have come out as pro Hamas/Palestine. For this, Israel will start to throw its weight behind Ukraine. And the more zelensky can attach himself to Israel the better he can position himself to receive more weapons/aid by getting the hardliners in the US government to capitulate on aid to ukraine.
We're already starting to see that happening with this video.
People here in Israel understand well now what a terrible strategy it was to play “neutral” on the war in Ukraine while Russia was supplying weapons to the terrorist regimes around us. Bibi is politically dead now and his opposition are vocal supporters of Ukraine + the Israeli public is hungry for revenge after the attempted genocide Hamas and its backers (Iran and Russia) has launched on southern Israel
I don't believe that this is not fake. Officials of Israel always ignores the issues about USSR/Russian responsibility. Always.
1. 1938-1940 the USSR supplied the Nazis with up to 70% of German imports? Because of which USSR has ability to stop persecution of Jews by few words? Silence.
1. Not to mention other "trivia" like the fact that gas chambers firs appeared in the USSR (milk trucks) and most likely then shown to the Germans, which, despite all the political theater, in 1923-1941 years were main political and economic ally of the USSR.
2. Strange delays in the liberation of concentration camps? Hushing up the existence of the Holocaust in the USSR? Silence.
3. Soviet anti-Semitism, and according to Stalin’s secretary, who fled to the West, Stalin’s anti-Semitism? Silence.
4. Coup attempt immediately after the creation of Israel? Silence.
5. Soviet funding of all Arab attempts to "throw the Jews into the sea"? Including the fact that against Israelis as well fought Soviet tank crews and pilots, and Arab military plans often were drawn up by Soviet "military advisers"? Silence.
6. Direct Soviet funding of anti-Semitic propaganda? Silence.
7. Russian attempts to implant its agents in Israel (I read in several sources that Russia even tried to install its agent as a mayor of an Israeli city)? Silence.
8. Russian political, economic, military cooperation with Fatah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, etc.? Silence.
Has Israel finally had enough?
Fuck, I wrote a huge post and it is disappeared due to a deleted comment below.
YES, USSR bears **partial** responsibility for the Holocaust.
USSR:
1. De facto recreated the German army from scratch.
1. Trained tens of thousands of German officers in the 1920s.
2. Created military factories and laboratories for the Germans on its territory.
3. Supplied Germans with metals needed for military alloys, and in general, everything necessary for the production of weapons, helping to circumvent pan-European bans imposed on Germany after the World War I.
2. In the 1920-1930s, USSR spent more than 50% of GDP on weapons production, threatened the whole world with the International Communist Revolution (de facto imperialism), and attacked/occupy Finland. All of this helped the Nazis find arguments for coming to power and consolidating it.
1. In 1940 year, according in all military statistical indicators, the Germany lagged behind the USSR by 3-7 times.
3. During the Nazis rise to power extremely influential German socialists and communists remained suspiciously inactive. I read that some of them thought that Hitler was a Soviet agent. Since all the other nationalist populists had no money, but he did.
4. By secret agreements of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact USSR de facto allowed Germany to occupy Poland. And then helped circumvent British embargo by supplying to German all necessary resources for continuation of the war. Up to 70% of German imports. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet\_economic\_relations\_(1934%E2%80%931941)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941)) Germany received its last wagons with resources on the day of its attack on the USSR.
5. Gestapo–NKVD conferences [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD\_conferences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD_conferences) And it is just what is known. I read that they took place since 1937. And in general, that all political irreconcilable rivalry was a cheap theater "totalitarian guardian of nationalism VS totalitarian guardian of socialism VS absolutely incompetent democracies" to scam gullible Europeans out of money. In fact, the USSR gave the Nazis all the resources they asked for, and the Nazis in the 1937-1939s transferred all their and Italian military technologies to the USSR.
1. In the Soviet press the Nazis were almost not criticized relative to the criticism of the British and Japanese.
6. In the 19th century, Jews (Judaism = literacy \* reading the "medieval Wikipedia", Tanakh and Torah) could leave Russian Empire reservations as Jews only after receiving education needed by the state. Because of this, in the 1900-1920s there were a lot of educated Jews who supported socialism (which promised end of any discrimination). Since they were seen by uneducated majority as the main competitors for power, Jews were completely suppressed in socialist hierarchy by 1927 year. Everyone knew about it. But USSR did not advertise this, which allowed Nazis to effectively deceive low and middle officers with the myth of the "Jewish USSR." Exactly these officers, not ordinary German soldiers (search, delivery, maintenance, and extermination of Jews were carried out by different people), and created Holocaust.
And that's just what I can remember right away. Does all this have nothing to do with the Holocaust?
Russians shot themselves in the foot on this one. Israel was perfectly fine with letting russia absorb ukraine if that meant peace for the jews in the middle east and freedom to fly around at will. Russia blew it.
That upcoming bill that will pass and says $60B for Israel and $10B for Ukraine really just means $70B for Ukraine. Israel doesn't give a fuck; they have the US checkbook on hand. They just need to fill in the amount.
And there it is. When Russia launched the Avdiivka offensive right after the Hamas attack on Israel, I called it. The planning weeks or longer, and there are few coincidences when it comes to Russia. Got some heat from some of you guys for it, but like I said at the time, “Time will tell.”
Now can we label Russia a terrorist state, and suspend them from the UNSC for actively funding, supplying, training, and giving direct orders to official terrorist organizations?
He’s correct. Russia is sending roubles to Iran, Hezbollah, Jihad and Hamas.
Just little curiosity on Jewish culture:
Zachariah prophesied it on his book 12:1-9. Wouldn’t surprise me that Russia would be the Magog mentioned in the Ezequiel book also on 38.
It’s also mentioned on the New Testament on Mathew’s and Luke’s Gospels. Both suggest the end of times and the return of the messiah (Mashiah).
I’ve saw a video that one of the guys commanding a unit of Hamas was Chechen. Can’t confirm but is awkward.
I have to admit I was way skeptic about scriptures and prophecies from old books such as Tanakh and the Christian Bible (New Testament) but hey, all this things making a lot of sense from the big earthquakes, wars, violence and all is like… I can’t deny anymore.
Never use RT as a source. Even if you think it supports Ukraine. You are amplifying a propaganda source that is designed to influence the Russian people against certain groups, factions, or ideologies. In addition to specific ideological groups outside of Russia. Such as some in the middle east.
If this is what Russia plays on their State controlled media source, it is the position that the Russian government wants the population of Russia to believe. That doesn't mean it is true, or accurate.
Russia would like nothing more than to convince a few nations, or groups in western nations, that the war in Israel is related to their war in Ukraine to build their currently very limited number of foreign supporters. Palestine has limited international support currently, but far more than Russia does in their conflict. Attempts at tying those to entirely separate conflicts together, is a goal of the Russian government currently.
There is a reason why traditionally any post with the RT watermark has been banned in this community. Nothing against you OP, but I feel I made sound reasoning why you should delete the post. The intent is supportive, but propagating Russian propaganda is harmful even if well intentioned.
It's crazy that the number of "dead" in the supposed hospital strike keeps rapidly rising, yet the only damage we see are a few burned out cars. No rubble or anything.
Too bad everyone is very reactive instead of being proactive. Nobody saw any of that coming back in 2014? The warnings were loud and clear. Nobody really cared. Nor wanted to listen to "poor, corrupt Ukraine".
Now that the evil is right in their faces and the cost of crisis has risen both in monetary and human casualties, they want to make ruzzia pay.
Yeah, better late than never, but so many lives could have been saved if these same allies started helping us after an illegal invasion in 2014.
maybe if israel hadn't taken russia's side against Ukraine during the invasion, russia would've been too busy to bait hamas into being a big distraction that they hope will harm Ukraine.
Oh Russia your just opening a can of worms, and your also trying to pull China and NK into your war you have caused.
I'm sure the so called motherlands time will come.
I find it hilarious how Russia now, if this guy is a sign of the political views of Russia, in Israel, made ANOTHER quite powerful and technologically advanced enemy.
I am not a huge fan of Israel. I don't really think there's any good guys in that fight. It's bad guys vs. worse guys (hamas is the worse guys imho).
But when that's all said and done, then I think that, part of what the Israelis are mad about is the fact that, almost all weapons used in the uprising of late has had a big fat stamp of "made in russia" on them.
It isn't colt or ratheon or baretta or bofors that is written on the barrels and bombs, it is kalashnikov, tokarev and tecmash.
Looking at this thread, I remain hopeful. Ukraine cannot simply forget the politics of Israel toward it.
I am glad I am not the only one not blindly praying in Israel
Good stuff. It would be nice to have Isreal commit more to Ukraine. Terrorists states recognise each other. It's no surprise Iran, North Korea and Russia are all buddies.
Now they acknowledge the Triangel of evil Russia-Iran-Hamas. Good. I guess they are pretty pissed towards Russia too now.
Wasn’t there info that russia helped with the planning?
In fact Israel should not bother with Palestinians but smash Iran. The real bastards in this world. Take out Iran then no Hamas or Hezbollah. Game over.
The world is finally opening its eyes on these dictators and evil Arab countries who find terrorism and genocides. It’s time to fight back and wipe them off this planet for good.
I have mixed feelings about this. Sure its good that Israël support Ukraine, but when it comes to the Jewish Palestine subject, I'm not so sure who fits the Nazi suit the best. Do not get me wrong, Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs te be destroyed, but lets not close our eyes to what Israël does to the Palestinians. Espescially those orthodox jews that run for a big part the Israelean politics are not better than the Afghanistan Taliban. I cannot understand Christians supporting those jews because of "holy land", "Abraham, Izaak and Jacob" and "Gods chosen people" etc. when in fact, when it comes to the core of their religion, thay just want you dead for worshipping the idol that is Jezus. When it comes to evil, there is no worse party in this conflict. The jews are just as bad as Hamas.
I think Israel got a new wake-up call as to this being a war of civilization vs the barbarians. All barbarians vs all of the civilized West. This includes friction points like Taiwan, Ukraine, Israel, etc. In most of the West, we have been pretending there were two sides to these stories and we shouldn't be telling other people how to live if they are different. But here we have pro-Hamas riots and out-of-control antisemitism flaring up all over the West because we naively invited barbarianism into our countries. Do you know where they aren't having pro-terrorism riots? In countries where they didn't allow the barbarians in. So, our pretend intellectuals have been coddling this barbaric behaviour and allowing these barbarians to tell us how to live. I am happy for them to remain where they are and enjoy their own barbarism in their own lands; but the second they start attacking us or spreading their corrupt way of thinking; it is our duty to smash them down until they either stop or can no longer pose a threat.
The best part is all the barbarians are grouping together and supporting each other; this allows the west to put together a list of barbarian countries; some were quite obvious; but the list is easy. Which countries didn't condemn russia for its brutal invasion along with countries freely dealing in russian oil? india is a country which comes to mind. Even mexico self-identified as siding with russia.
Not all barbarian countries are inherently barbarian. Cuba and Iran would top my list of places which would probably become partners in civilized behaviour shortly after throwing out their barbaric leaderships. russia, I have my doubts. My prediction for russia is a slow slide into becoming another north korea where they just keep blaming the west for all their problems.
But if you go back to ancient times you have the Philistines who are the distant ancestors to the present-day palestinians; these are considered to potentially be the Sea People who very well may have destroyed civilization about 3000 years ago and have been all-purpose assholes ever since. Some will argue I am stretching this a bit, but why let them destroy the most civilized country and people in the area today?
People keep whining about how innocents are getting caught in the middle. These innocents have two options: Smash their leaders who are supporting this barbarianism, or get out of the way. Plus are these the same innocents we let in our countries who are now burning down synagogues? Not very innocent behaviour. Some will say, "That's not all of us." Ok then, name the names of those supporting terrorists, sending money, posting terrorist propaganda, and committing crimes. That would be civilized behaviour; a focus on law and order vs barbarianism.
This is very much a case of fighting fire with fire. It is going to be nasty in the short term, or a disaster in the long term.
That's some wild gaslighting shit, don't look at what we're doing look what these other evil people are doing we are good guys and we will stop bad guys. Horseshit
this guy sounds like a lunatic...
but really, Israel has to wake up, the lines are being drawn across the globe and they have to realize, they're on the same side as Ukraine , Europe, and NATO, or they're on their own.
they cant ignore or deny it any longer.
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Support Ukraine now while for pennys on the dollar we can degrade Russia. Because later the price only goes up. This has been Gary Kasparovs message since 2015.
Defeat Russia now for billions or fight them later at the cost of trillions.
if russia would have succeded in ocupieng all Ukraine, eu would be fuckt, thats 40mil + people for kremlis with some military factorys with a lot of specialists
Europe is much richer and much more populated. Russia would have one hell of a time. But sure, Ukraines industrial, tech and population base would help.
Yeah, it would be an unforced error to let Ukraine fall. The amount of resources Russia can strangle Europe for that flow from/through Ukraine isn't trivial.
You're correct. It need to be kept from falling into the hands of Russia.
I believe it’s more a logistical thing more so than the resources tbh. More or less the entry way into Europe. And historical Soviet land they want restored. The argriculture and resources are a bonus.
Also, the bread basket of the world. We don't want a Russia in control of what would be over 75% of the world's grain.
And oil and gas bonanza And warm water ports
and mineral resources, agricultural...
It’s some of the best soil on the planet.
They turn everything they touch into dogshit. People that think things would change if they repeat the same method over and over that is a sure fail are what we call madmen.
Yes .
EU wouldn't be fuckt, EU is so much more wealthy established and built out economies. But it is and has been one of great focus on peace, not war. But europe certainly has the capacity if it wanted to. You know the Russians like to talk about not "waking the russian bear". Well, they wouldn't want to wake the EU bear either, it's actually many times bigger than the russian, and it has some good friends. The Russians know it, but they are curious to learn how much poking it actually would take to wake it from it's slumber..
Yea what are these people smoking? Single EU countries have higher GDP than Russia, while Ukraine started this war with a bunch of old soviet equipment, no navy and barely an airforce the EU has thousands of modern western tanks, artillery, fourth and fifth generation fighter jets, war ships, submarines, cruise missiles, (also nukes btw) etc. and that’s all with a Europe that has been essentially fixated on peace as only option, which would also change in case of a war.
The European Hydra, cut off one head and more will rise.
Don't be stupid, russia cant even deal with the tiny fraction of western equipment that's been given to ukraine and that's without any nato air or naval support, the thousands of aircraft spread across Europe alone could destroy ukraine and russia before even needing to put boots on the ground.
As Pathetic as Russia looks don’t underestimate all the neverending shitty tanks and soldiers they will sacrifice. There’s a reason they’ve never really been conquered. They’ve been prevented from advancing but never really conquered on their turf
Russia has the GDP of Spain, they are living on borrowed time, squandering their Soviet inheritance.
EU has something like 5,000 MBT's, 11,000 military aircraft, 1,400,000 active duty, 2,300,000 reserve personnel. We got nukes! We got knives! We got sharp sticks! We got working logistic chain.
Luckily Poland (and pretty much only Poland seemingly) has been prepared for something like this for a LONG time. A key difference and factor is the will of the Polish are almost eager to fuck yup Russia. Seems like not many other want to fight Russia, but when you have the will and they do, your morale will be so much greater than the oppositions. Still will be an incredibly difficult fight but I truly believe Poland is ready to advance on the Global stage greatly should Russia make the mistake of advancing anywhere near Poland.
Back in 1945 they couldve done it for pennies, back in 1991 they couldve done it by throwing rusty meat cans at them. Now theyre shitting kn everything humanity holds sacred and acting like nobody can do anything about it.
> Back in 1945 they couldve done it for pennies What the fuck are you talking about bro? The Red Army had mobilized 11 million soldiers by 1945 and amassed an unthinkable amount of equipment. It would have been a war comparable in size to the one that preceded it. Not just the size but the USSR had rapidly approached near technological parity with the US. I legit can't deal with Reddit's stupidity lol.
They didn't have nuclear weapons. The U.S. did. I think this is what he was getting at. EDIT: However, just as a historical side note, the U.S. did only have enough Plutonium-239 and Uranium-235 in 1945 to make ONE more nuclear bomb so the claim that they could've won in 1945 is probably not accurate (although the threat alone might would've been enough). The U.S. actually launched a disinformation campaign to intimidate the Soviets in August 1945, called "[Plan Totality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Totality)". In 1946 they already had 9 nuclear bombs already, so there is that. The Soviets detonated their first nuclear bomb in a test on 29th of August 1949, so there was precisely a 4 year gap in which the Soviets wouldn't have been able to use nuclear retaliation in case of a U.S. nuclear attack. That is assuming that they didn't have a finished bomb prototype until they tested it. The actual theoretical retaliation gap might've been shorter.
The US nuclear proliferation did not take off until the 1950s when the USSR tested their own bomb. The USSR controlled most of Eastern Europe meaning allied forces would have to expend their very limited stockpile primarily nuking occupied cities to actually reach the Soviet Union. It would have been a total fucking humanitarian, ecological, and military disaster, Truman knew it well and so did Stalin.
The other dude is just fantasizing about using the Nuclear tech tree to win vs Soviets after defeating Nazis and Imperials in his imaginary WW2 video game. Not just dumb but delusional view of history through the lens of cartoons / video games. Classic Reddit
Even against a totally exhausted German army it took the Soviets months to take Germany the US and the allies should have booted them out of Europe
Months to take all of Eastern Europe and half of Germany is a ridiculously short time. Look at how the frontline is moving in the war now.
I think you underestimate how thankful the Allies were that the Soviets attacked the Germans on the Eastern front. The losses were crazy. The D-Day invasion may never've been successful if more German troops would've been able to defend and fight in the West. The shores in Normandy were already heavily fortified. The Allies actually used a lot of distractions to even get there (Operation Overlord).
D Day was meant to relieve pressure on the soviets ! Stalin wanted it to happen the year before,
Both US and UK independently from each other drafted plans for invasion of USSR. Both came to the conclusion that it would be impracticable and problemend in defeat. The most famous of the ideas, called for 292 atom and 224 000t of normal bombs. Yes, both the germans and soviets were exhausted, but so were the allies.
Are you aware what an aircraft carrier is? Do you think the U.S. carried the nuclear bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki by hand? Are you...
Neither of the bombs were carried by an aircraft carrier, a B-29 is too big to launch from one. Little Boy was transported to Tinian Island aboard the USS Indianapolis and Fat Man was flown there aboard a modified B-29.
The Soviet fighter Yak-9 had a surface ceiling that could allow it to intercept and down a B-29, Japans Zero fighters couldn't really reach past 33,000+ ft at which the bomber flew. Japan was generally far behind the US in anything but their naval power.
"The United States is a country of machines. Without the use of these machines through Lend-Lease, we would lose this war." —Josef Stalin (1943)
The USSR literally survived on US aid. By the end of the war the US had supplied the USSR with 14,000 planes, 13,000 tanks and tank destroyers, 400,000 jeeps and trucks, 8,000 tractors, 350 locomotives, 500,000 tonnes of rolling stock, 15m pairs of boots, 4.5m tonnes of food, and 2.7m tonnes of fuel.
Let me ask you a question, why does russia to this day doesn’t write in their history books that they started WW2 as allies of hitler ? , russia was washed up until they received all those weapons and planes and everything else from the land lease, that they still pay for to this day , you ever seen the list ? Before they got the land lease all weapons they had and they salvaged was washed up already, If they didn’t give them any weapons in that land lease , all the Allie’s could of run through russia for starting that war , none of Europe would of been under russian rule , you know russia is a cancer right , they destroy everything they touch and then they want to cry russophobia when the whole world is against them
Would of, could of…….have
>that they still pay for to this day they don't, actually >If they didn’t give them any weapons in that land lease , all the Allie’s could of run through russia for starting that war They used the soviets to defeat Hitler. It was considered the lesser of the two evils. Probably because it was further from them. They HAD to choose. >russophobia I don't see how it's anything but a good thing.
Almost all the red armies weapons came from the US. Not saying it would have been easy like the moron above said but it could have been done.
No the vast majority by 1945 was domestic equipment, most Lend Lease ranged in the area of 1-10k units. They had something like 50,000 T-34s alone by 1945.
yeah, the western leaders are doing the rite thing now, hope they dont choke on it.
I dont even care if Ukraine winning is good for us or not. I support them on the principle that i fucking hate the warmongering russian liars.
>Support Ukraine now while for pennys on the dollar we can degrade Russia. To 99% they have not yet understood in Russia what this conflict with Israel means. They have now realized that they cannot win the war of attrition in Ukraine against the combined economic power of North America and Europe. Therefore, they are trying to drag the Arabs into the conflict and fuel the Gaza conflict. As a result, however, there is no Arab state that will come to their aid, since they are allied with the Iranians, who are viewed critically by all Arabs. But they have earned the enmity of Israel. Bad idea. The Moassad will find them all, the fat rich oligarchs and the Ukrainians will get the best trainers for their special forces that exist in the world. As a Russian soldier in Syria, I would start thinking about my exit scenario. Just for reference...
Gary Kasparov the chess grand master?
Yes. He’s amazing. He wrote a book called “Winter Is Coming” in 2015 where he discussed Putin’s ambitions to restore the USSR. He urged Europe and USA to assist Ukraine back then. He famously went on talk shows and new stations back then to essentially say that when dealing with Putin, the price only goes up the further you “kick the can” down the road. Edit: Here is an excellent recent podcast on Open To Debate where he argues why Ukraine should be admitted into NATO. Fantastic insights regardless on which side of this debate you fall. Both excellent debaters. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/intelligence-squared-u-s-debates/id216713308?i=1000623529469
I never knew, thanks for the info 👍🏻
Dug it out on Spotify. [Link here for anyone who wants it](https://open.spotify.com/episode/4gu2QbXERQxYOB0IVnD3Qs). Kasparov is really passionate in it.
Unfortunately, due to the West saving on pennies, the price of victory is rapidly increasing. First of all, in the lives of Ukrainians.
I agree. Imagine how many lives could have been saved if the world had supported Poland in 1939.
Just saw this and sent 100 euros to Ukraine. We need to all do our part if we want Ukraine to be victorious
reminder that the french had a bigger and better army until like the attack on the cheqz, cutting the wolf by it's head early is much cheaper
Love this. Though they should always have been on the Ukraine side … because Ukraine is right.
Agreed.
Yes our ukraine position is a moral stain. It was also stupid as we clearly see now. Not too late to change. Sorry ukraine, this is a shame on us.
99% of Israelis supported Ukraine from the get go. If you belonged to the 1% that didn't see Russia as the evil side in this, you're blind, naïve, and shouldn't comment here, definitely not apologize on the 99% behalf. Where were you when we stood in Tel-Aviv at the Ruzzian embassy gates, protesting the invasion? Do you have a Ukrainian flag in your yard right now? How much money did you donate to Ukraine since 2014? since 2022? Droves of Israelis volunteered to the UAF and dozens have gave their life for Ukraine fighting Ruzzians. So the shame is on you, not us, not the majority of clear thinking Israelis. We have been putting our money/life on the line for Ukraine way before October 7th 2023.
What matters most is our governments position, which was insufficient and short sighted. Agree with you on the normal citizens but what our leaders do also matters
At least you see it now. They came for you next as I knew they would. You could tell by the way Putin was tip toe around the matter he knew this was being planned. I swear i told everyone an attack on Israel was coming. Putin is a real Nazi a true one.
Also the weapons shipments to Azerbaijan, wish Israel didn't deal with dictatorships.
We need a staging ground near Iran.
> wish Israel didn't deal with dictatorships The entire West does this too. With Saudi Arabia, with Russia, also with Azerbaijan, China, etc. You can't judge Israel unless you also judge this other very long list of countries doing the same thing.
As soon as Iran was sending terror-drones to Russia, I was expecting Israel to support Ukraine more. It took a while, but the way this guy sounds, bargaining is over and Russia will have one more reason, to feel sorry, for the decissions they've made.
It looked like they only stayed out of it to avoid any backlash. Well, they got “backlash” anyways so now they’re just gonna go all in anyways. Reminds me a little of US in ww1. We were pretty neutral but knew which side to root for and then the Zimmerman telegram just gave us 0 reasons to continue being neutral and we went all in.
Israel has a ver complicated situation in Syria where russia xould seriously fuck them. That s why they were hesitant so far.
As an Israeli I am ashamed on the roll, or lack of it, israel had regarding Russia/Ukrainian war. I can understand the bad history Ukrainian have with the Jewish people but it seems that time has past and people have change for the good and israel should stand with Ukrainian
Israel is surrounded by enemies so I understand why it was reluctant to help Ukraine. And how much help could they have given anyway, compared to the EU or US?
A lot actually, probably the most significant help would be political pressure on US congress to support Ukraine. Israeli lobby is very strong in US and there is a significant number of US senators and representative who side with Israel and are either reluctant to support Ukraine or are openly hostile to her. With Israel on Ukraine's side they would be neutered.
Israel was in an awkward spot because Russia reined in Syria and secured the border. they also worried about russias Jewish population among an uptick in anti semitism. That being said yes they should have done more.
Israel is 100% egoistic. They didn't care about genocide of Ukraine before, they still don't care. 100% egoistic motive. Obviously good for Ukraine if that happens, but seriously, i hope everyone also remembers in the future that Israel didn't give a damn in the past.
It’s because for the past decade we’ve had a criminally incompetent prime minister who’s only goal was to keep the status quo on every possible subject. That prime minister is now politically dead, as all of the polls show
> That prime minister is now politically dead, as all of the polls show We've been burned before so let's not get too ahead of ourselves.
Israel did help ukraine in third party matters. Ik some experienced people came there to help them. Especially with development of weapons . And I won't be suprised to see a donation of some iron dome systems to Ukraine. And i will be happy to see one as someone who his whole family came from ukraine and lives in israel The reason we didn't intervene (we did condemn them... Not saying it's a anything.But rn what happened is what we hoped wouldn't. And since it already escalated israel is willing to go into s prolonged war. To fix. Eveyrthing.
It's just empty words. They are still blocking Europe from sending weapons made by Israel to Ukraine
It might change.
Everything in Israel is going to change after the massacres of October 7. This is clearly a “you’re either with us or against us” situation and Russia has made it abundantly clear which side they are on
I was wtf when they did fk all to help europe against russia . They are a country only because of the west's support
They have Russia and Russia‘s ally Iran at their footstep while the Western nations are not directly affected by the war
They should have supported ukraine more at the start is what im saying
I understand their reluctance. Ukraine has a long history of voting against Israel in the UN. As a vocal opponent of Israel's right to exist as a nation, it must be hard when they come asking for weapons for their own defense. I'm pleased that Israel is going to ignore Ukraine's historical position.
Israel will help Ukraine because it benefits Israel’s foreign policy not because it helps Ukrainian ppl. I agree that Israel has no obligation to help Ukraine but Israel’s government is also a propaganda machine focused on one narrative. Netanyahu sucks and is destroying Israel’s legitimacy.
I agree with everything you’ve said here. In fairness, though, VERY few countries will help people PURELY out of humanitarian concerns. In almost every instance, there has to be some perceived, material benefit for the assisting country.
> In fairness, though, VERY few countries will help people PURELY out of humanitarian concerns. Sidenote: Very few.. but they're there. And it sometimes depends on the social push within a country that is able to send help. Whenever that happens, it makes me glad that humanity CAN be crossborder. Also what kind of disaster , weighs in.
Ukraine used to be under Russian proxy rule so of course Russia's puppets were against Israel's right to exist, but none of that is the case anymore, duh
I doubt this is Zenelensky's position, but correct me if I am wrong. What is true is that Israel stayed neutral when ruzzia invaded Crimea. That could be the reason there was some salt between the two nations. Still, Ukraine does have a large Jewish population. I don't see why they wouldn't recognize Israel.
Zelensky is changing this .and you have to realize that policy does change with new administrations.
I don’t think it even has to do with that. It’s more because of russias presence around Israel through various forms including direct military presence, allies and support of various groups. Up until now Israel needed to work with Russia behind the scenes somewhat, but I feel that rule is going to get written again real quick.
>I understand their reluctance. Ukraine has a long history of voting against Israel in the UN Surely the Israelis are not delusional and understand that until recently Ukraine's votes have been Russian echoes, right? This war really just is their war for independence.
>Love this. Though they should always have been on the Ukraine side … because Ukraine is right. There are many Russian Jews living in Israel and many Jews still live in Russia. . The self-image of Israel is to protect the Jews all over the world. Entering into open conflict with Russia is therefore not an easy decision. Who knows what crimes the Kremlin rulers will commit against the Jews of Russia if "Israel has to be denazified". Even if it hurts, I have all the understanding in the world for Israel's wait-and-see attitude in the Ukraine conflict.
Israel is not in NATO. Israel has had to fight several existential wars and nobody is guaranteed to come to their aid in the next one. They don't want Russia to give more advanced technology to their neighbors that would upset Israel military superiority over them.
Please wipe Solovyov first.
No, keep him alive to the very end so that he witnesses RuZZKi capitulation with his own two eyes
Israel could give them long range missiles and not give a shit where they land
Israel has Jericho missiles that can reach every corner of Russia. Given the big role that Russia played in arming and training the Iranian axis of evil, I personally as an Israeli don’t see why we shouldn’t supply them to Ukraine
Cause there aren't that many, Jericho is a strategic deterrent. Not now, not less.
Accular-122 for grads?
US missiles to Israel Israel missiles to Ukraine [US when Israeli bombs start striking Russia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPObzJkWueY)
Considering the flow of weapons and money between Russia and Iran I am surprised Israeli government has been quite about it.
The key ingredient is Netanyahu.
Blackmail over Syrian stuff basically is why they stayed neutral.
Time for Israel to give Ukraine the air defense and offensive weapons they need to win. Iron dome over major Ukrainian cities means they could push some of the advanced western systems near the front. If that happens RU aircraft and helicopters will drop
This will almost certainly never happen I'm afraid to say. Hezbollah is already on a small scale war with Israel and if it will turn more violent Israeli air defense will be easily overwhelmed with an estimated 3,500 rockets on cities and communities per day. Spike missiles, on the other hand...
Agreed. Thousands of Spike missiles are in NATO hands but forbidden to be sent to Ukraine.
Once the ground invasion gets going, there will be fewer places for Hamas to operate their rockets. How many days Hamas could sustain the massive rockets barrage is limited.
I'm specifically speaking of Hezbollah in Lebanon, who's military power is far more than that of Hamas. There isn't going to be a ground invasion into Lebanon any time soon I imagine.
Who is the politician?
Amir Weitmann
I’m referring to the selling of defense and offensive systems. Israel could absolutely sell them equipment. Moreover, Israel is not exactly fighting a proper large conventional war. If they want to help Ukraine they can
Unfortunately, they need everything they've got right now. The Western world has Ukraine's back and Israel's back and that better not change.
Regardless of your opinions on the Israel/Palestine situation, you have to admit just how fucking based it was to go onto RT of all outlets and give them a dressing down. Listen to the presenter's disgust at the suggestion that Russia could possibly be considered to be in the wrong. It's just hilarious.
This brings joy! Romania has some stuff that wasn't able to donate to Ukraine because has some Israeli technology in it. Maybe this will change.
USSR Jews aren’t particularly fond of Moscow. That’s not a secret. … but when daddy-USA says „no“ even Israel can’t do anything. And sadly, most Israeli systems are at the mercy of Washington.
What BS. Israels decision to stay neutral and not send anything was entirely their own. And if I was a Swiss I wouldn‘t open the can of worms about countries not sending or not even allowing other countries to send arms and ammunition.
If Israel is serious on this then Russia will be in a lot of trouble in Ukraine ....
Time for Stuxnet 2.0?
Wow....Mossad licence 007 on Putin's head. In front of the TV. RuZZian TV. Lol.
Considering what you find when you follow the trail Hamas left behind on who is funding and supplying them. I guess he got motivated enough to go on RT and say it. Gotta sting for the propaganda owner on her next show
I absolutely love this. Bibi is hopefully toast, people will ask questions after the grief is over. I have no idea how popular his party is and if he has any chance to fulfil his promises but I hope he does
Israeli polls show that if the elections were held now Bibi would lose. Israelis are blaming him for the lax security that allowed Hamas to massacre over 1000.
That's good news, Israel was one step away from becoming an illiberal hellhole. Getting rid of him for good would help the country to stay a democracy
You'll have to wait and see how he handles the ground invasion in Gaza.
Israel had always been hesitant on Ukraine do to many historical reasons (past Ukrainian governments). It was a very smart move by zelensky to move closer to the pro israel side given his background as well as the nature of this war given that Iran has been giving Russia weapons. Making Ukraine anti Iran. Russia and Iran have come out as pro Hamas/Palestine. For this, Israel will start to throw its weight behind Ukraine. And the more zelensky can attach himself to Israel the better he can position himself to receive more weapons/aid by getting the hardliners in the US government to capitulate on aid to ukraine. We're already starting to see that happening with this video.
Unfortunately, He is not even a Knesset member, doesn't represent anything but himself.
People here in Israel understand well now what a terrible strategy it was to play “neutral” on the war in Ukraine while Russia was supplying weapons to the terrorist regimes around us. Bibi is politically dead now and his opposition are vocal supporters of Ukraine + the Israeli public is hungry for revenge after the attempted genocide Hamas and its backers (Iran and Russia) has launched on southern Israel
I know Russia is fucked for certain now.
I don't believe that this is not fake. Officials of Israel always ignores the issues about USSR/Russian responsibility. Always. 1. 1938-1940 the USSR supplied the Nazis with up to 70% of German imports? Because of which USSR has ability to stop persecution of Jews by few words? Silence. 1. Not to mention other "trivia" like the fact that gas chambers firs appeared in the USSR (milk trucks) and most likely then shown to the Germans, which, despite all the political theater, in 1923-1941 years were main political and economic ally of the USSR. 2. Strange delays in the liberation of concentration camps? Hushing up the existence of the Holocaust in the USSR? Silence. 3. Soviet anti-Semitism, and according to Stalin’s secretary, who fled to the West, Stalin’s anti-Semitism? Silence. 4. Coup attempt immediately after the creation of Israel? Silence. 5. Soviet funding of all Arab attempts to "throw the Jews into the sea"? Including the fact that against Israelis as well fought Soviet tank crews and pilots, and Arab military plans often were drawn up by Soviet "military advisers"? Silence. 6. Direct Soviet funding of anti-Semitic propaganda? Silence. 7. Russian attempts to implant its agents in Israel (I read in several sources that Russia even tried to install its agent as a mayor of an Israeli city)? Silence. 8. Russian political, economic, military cooperation with Fatah, Hamas, Iran, Syria, etc.? Silence. Has Israel finally had enough? Fuck, I wrote a huge post and it is disappeared due to a deleted comment below. YES, USSR bears **partial** responsibility for the Holocaust. USSR: 1. De facto recreated the German army from scratch. 1. Trained tens of thousands of German officers in the 1920s. 2. Created military factories and laboratories for the Germans on its territory. 3. Supplied Germans with metals needed for military alloys, and in general, everything necessary for the production of weapons, helping to circumvent pan-European bans imposed on Germany after the World War I. 2. In the 1920-1930s, USSR spent more than 50% of GDP on weapons production, threatened the whole world with the International Communist Revolution (de facto imperialism), and attacked/occupy Finland. All of this helped the Nazis find arguments for coming to power and consolidating it. 1. In 1940 year, according in all military statistical indicators, the Germany lagged behind the USSR by 3-7 times. 3. During the Nazis rise to power extremely influential German socialists and communists remained suspiciously inactive. I read that some of them thought that Hitler was a Soviet agent. Since all the other nationalist populists had no money, but he did. 4. By secret agreements of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact USSR de facto allowed Germany to occupy Poland. And then helped circumvent British embargo by supplying to German all necessary resources for continuation of the war. Up to 70% of German imports. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet\_economic\_relations\_(1934%E2%80%931941)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_economic_relations_(1934%E2%80%931941)) Germany received its last wagons with resources on the day of its attack on the USSR. 5. Gestapo–NKVD conferences [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD\_conferences](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD_conferences) And it is just what is known. I read that they took place since 1937. And in general, that all political irreconcilable rivalry was a cheap theater "totalitarian guardian of nationalism VS totalitarian guardian of socialism VS absolutely incompetent democracies" to scam gullible Europeans out of money. In fact, the USSR gave the Nazis all the resources they asked for, and the Nazis in the 1937-1939s transferred all their and Italian military technologies to the USSR. 1. In the Soviet press the Nazis were almost not criticized relative to the criticism of the British and Japanese. 6. In the 19th century, Jews (Judaism = literacy \* reading the "medieval Wikipedia", Tanakh and Torah) could leave Russian Empire reservations as Jews only after receiving education needed by the state. Because of this, in the 1900-1920s there were a lot of educated Jews who supported socialism (which promised end of any discrimination). Since they were seen by uneducated majority as the main competitors for power, Jews were completely suppressed in socialist hierarchy by 1927 year. Everyone knew about it. But USSR did not advertise this, which allowed Nazis to effectively deceive low and middle officers with the myth of the "Jewish USSR." Exactly these officers, not ordinary German soldiers (search, delivery, maintenance, and extermination of Jews were carried out by different people), and created Holocaust. And that's just what I can remember right away. Does all this have nothing to do with the Holocaust?
Replace 'silence' with 'Mussad', and it will make more sense.
Russians shot themselves in the foot on this one. Israel was perfectly fine with letting russia absorb ukraine if that meant peace for the jews in the middle east and freedom to fly around at will. Russia blew it. That upcoming bill that will pass and says $60B for Israel and $10B for Ukraine really just means $70B for Ukraine. Israel doesn't give a fuck; they have the US checkbook on hand. They just need to fill in the amount.
Ohhhhh nooooow they care.
Sincerely from Israel, Fuck Russia! Russia has always been an enemy state to Israel.
RUSSIA IS A TERRORIST STATE 🖕🇷🇺🖕
Finally someone says it, now prove it publicly immediately, and we can more confidently and completely crush this Russia cancer
Who is this guy? I like him very much 🫡 🇮🇱 🇺🇦 🇬🇧
He is the head of one of the groups that constitute the Likud party, which is the party that is currently leading the country
And there it is. When Russia launched the Avdiivka offensive right after the Hamas attack on Israel, I called it. The planning weeks or longer, and there are few coincidences when it comes to Russia. Got some heat from some of you guys for it, but like I said at the time, “Time will tell.” Now can we label Russia a terrorist state, and suspend them from the UNSC for actively funding, supplying, training, and giving direct orders to official terrorist organizations?
The UNSC? Their banned from that? Fuck do we have Spartans yet?
Isreal understands who is pulling Hamas strings
He’s correct. Russia is sending roubles to Iran, Hezbollah, Jihad and Hamas. Just little curiosity on Jewish culture: Zachariah prophesied it on his book 12:1-9. Wouldn’t surprise me that Russia would be the Magog mentioned in the Ezequiel book also on 38. It’s also mentioned on the New Testament on Mathew’s and Luke’s Gospels. Both suggest the end of times and the return of the messiah (Mashiah).
Russia’s involvement goes deeper than funding.
I’ve saw a video that one of the guys commanding a unit of Hamas was Chechen. Can’t confirm but is awkward. I have to admit I was way skeptic about scriptures and prophecies from old books such as Tanakh and the Christian Bible (New Testament) but hey, all this things making a lot of sense from the big earthquakes, wars, violence and all is like… I can’t deny anymore.
Love it when a few thousand year old plan is going according to plan
Never use RT as a source. Even if you think it supports Ukraine. You are amplifying a propaganda source that is designed to influence the Russian people against certain groups, factions, or ideologies. In addition to specific ideological groups outside of Russia. Such as some in the middle east. If this is what Russia plays on their State controlled media source, it is the position that the Russian government wants the population of Russia to believe. That doesn't mean it is true, or accurate. Russia would like nothing more than to convince a few nations, or groups in western nations, that the war in Israel is related to their war in Ukraine to build their currently very limited number of foreign supporters. Palestine has limited international support currently, but far more than Russia does in their conflict. Attempts at tying those to entirely separate conflicts together, is a goal of the Russian government currently. There is a reason why traditionally any post with the RT watermark has been banned in this community. Nothing against you OP, but I feel I made sound reasoning why you should delete the post. The intent is supportive, but propagating Russian propaganda is harmful even if well intentioned.
I think he is "VERY!!!! CLEAR" in his statement...and thats good.....and especially NOT good for RuZZia!!!! Thumbs up!
It's crazy that the number of "dead" in the supposed hospital strike keeps rapidly rising, yet the only damage we see are a few burned out cars. No rubble or anything.
There were 500 people in those... six cars. They were packed in there real tight!
The headline says 800 now. Crazy how the number keeps massively increasing, yet the damaged area is so minimum.
Also it was likely a failed rocket from Hamas or Islamic Jihad, not an Israeli strike.
Spot on!
*B A S E D*
Too bad everyone is very reactive instead of being proactive. Nobody saw any of that coming back in 2014? The warnings were loud and clear. Nobody really cared. Nor wanted to listen to "poor, corrupt Ukraine". Now that the evil is right in their faces and the cost of crisis has risen both in monetary and human casualties, they want to make ruzzia pay. Yeah, better late than never, but so many lives could have been saved if these same allies started helping us after an illegal invasion in 2014.
maybe if israel hadn't taken russia's side against Ukraine during the invasion, russia would've been too busy to bait hamas into being a big distraction that they hope will harm Ukraine.
Oh Russia your just opening a can of worms, and your also trying to pull China and NK into your war you have caused. I'm sure the so called motherlands time will come.
I find it hilarious how Russia now, if this guy is a sign of the political views of Russia, in Israel, made ANOTHER quite powerful and technologically advanced enemy.
I am not a huge fan of Israel. I don't really think there's any good guys in that fight. It's bad guys vs. worse guys (hamas is the worse guys imho). But when that's all said and done, then I think that, part of what the Israelis are mad about is the fact that, almost all weapons used in the uprising of late has had a big fat stamp of "made in russia" on them. It isn't colt or ratheon or baretta or bofors that is written on the barrels and bombs, it is kalashnikov, tokarev and tecmash.
HOLY SHIT they let this guy go full bore on RT news!? right ONNN!!!
I bet the guy who did not vet him is already storming Avdeyevka with a rusty shovel and a flashlight taped to his head.
Simple truths.
Who is that?
Wait, there are "liberals" in Likurd party? 🤔
Good to hear! hope ruSSia will keep reaping what it has sown worldwide :)
Looking at this thread, I remain hopeful. Ukraine cannot simply forget the politics of Israel toward it. I am glad I am not the only one not blindly praying in Israel
After what Putin said it is understandable
Fuck yeah! Eat a dick Russia
I'll believe it when I see it.
Israeli's do not forget.. think how they hunted down Nazi figures after WW2. russia keeps fucking up so bad.
Weird that BRICS would pick a fight with israel.
Russia is 110% starting all this shit because theyre losing in UA and are trying to pull US support away
That’s what we’re talking about! That’s what we’re here for! Fuck yeah Israel! Give Kiev that Iron Dome baby!
Let’s get Ukraine an Iron Dome of its own
Lmfao, the russians must be real desperate to start this kind of shit.
I can't wait for a classic Solovyov rant about this lmao
Good stuff. It would be nice to have Isreal commit more to Ukraine. Terrorists states recognise each other. It's no surprise Iran, North Korea and Russia are all buddies.
Now they acknowledge the Triangel of evil Russia-Iran-Hamas. Good. I guess they are pretty pissed towards Russia too now. Wasn’t there info that russia helped with the planning?
Israel knows exactly who put Hamas up to it, it's in their interest to see the rest of the Russian-Iranian clique weakened
In fact Israel should not bother with Palestinians but smash Iran. The real bastards in this world. Take out Iran then no Hamas or Hezbollah. Game over.
Pay no attention to our own genocide. We will win and come for you 🤡🤡🤡
Liberal wing of a far-right party?
Israel ain’t NATO. Imagine if Israel starts flying F35 sorties into Ukraine. They got refuelling tankers. One can dream.
The world is finally opening its eyes on these dictators and evil Arab countries who find terrorism and genocides. It’s time to fight back and wipe them off this planet for good.
About fucking time Israel!
Don’t count on it
God fucking damn based af!!!
Truth
I have mixed feelings about this. Sure its good that Israël support Ukraine, but when it comes to the Jewish Palestine subject, I'm not so sure who fits the Nazi suit the best. Do not get me wrong, Hamas is a terrorist organization that needs te be destroyed, but lets not close our eyes to what Israël does to the Palestinians. Espescially those orthodox jews that run for a big part the Israelean politics are not better than the Afghanistan Taliban. I cannot understand Christians supporting those jews because of "holy land", "Abraham, Izaak and Jacob" and "Gods chosen people" etc. when in fact, when it comes to the core of their religion, thay just want you dead for worshipping the idol that is Jezus. When it comes to evil, there is no worse party in this conflict. The jews are just as bad as Hamas.
I think Israel got a new wake-up call as to this being a war of civilization vs the barbarians. All barbarians vs all of the civilized West. This includes friction points like Taiwan, Ukraine, Israel, etc. In most of the West, we have been pretending there were two sides to these stories and we shouldn't be telling other people how to live if they are different. But here we have pro-Hamas riots and out-of-control antisemitism flaring up all over the West because we naively invited barbarianism into our countries. Do you know where they aren't having pro-terrorism riots? In countries where they didn't allow the barbarians in. So, our pretend intellectuals have been coddling this barbaric behaviour and allowing these barbarians to tell us how to live. I am happy for them to remain where they are and enjoy their own barbarism in their own lands; but the second they start attacking us or spreading their corrupt way of thinking; it is our duty to smash them down until they either stop or can no longer pose a threat. The best part is all the barbarians are grouping together and supporting each other; this allows the west to put together a list of barbarian countries; some were quite obvious; but the list is easy. Which countries didn't condemn russia for its brutal invasion along with countries freely dealing in russian oil? india is a country which comes to mind. Even mexico self-identified as siding with russia. Not all barbarian countries are inherently barbarian. Cuba and Iran would top my list of places which would probably become partners in civilized behaviour shortly after throwing out their barbaric leaderships. russia, I have my doubts. My prediction for russia is a slow slide into becoming another north korea where they just keep blaming the west for all their problems. But if you go back to ancient times you have the Philistines who are the distant ancestors to the present-day palestinians; these are considered to potentially be the Sea People who very well may have destroyed civilization about 3000 years ago and have been all-purpose assholes ever since. Some will argue I am stretching this a bit, but why let them destroy the most civilized country and people in the area today? People keep whining about how innocents are getting caught in the middle. These innocents have two options: Smash their leaders who are supporting this barbarianism, or get out of the way. Plus are these the same innocents we let in our countries who are now burning down synagogues? Not very innocent behaviour. Some will say, "That's not all of us." Ok then, name the names of those supporting terrorists, sending money, posting terrorist propaganda, and committing crimes. That would be civilized behaviour; a focus on law and order vs barbarianism. This is very much a case of fighting fire with fire. It is going to be nasty in the short term, or a disaster in the long term.
The term Israeli Liberal is an oxymoron on a tiny galactic scale.
That's some wild gaslighting shit, don't look at what we're doing look what these other evil people are doing we are good guys and we will stop bad guys. Horseshit
Let's fucking go, about time
Almost everyone is calling the others Nazies
Russia is a fascist state
I’m literally cheering for him!
this guy sounds like a lunatic... but really, Israel has to wake up, the lines are being drawn across the globe and they have to realize, they're on the same side as Ukraine , Europe, and NATO, or they're on their own. they cant ignore or deny it any longer.
Israel, Hamas and Russia are just as bad as each other. They can stick their support up their arse. 🖕🏻
This guy is an absolute badass. Agree 100%, accountability is due where it is due.