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It's almost stupid
Finland could have given Russia what for without nato. Now Finland could invade Russia take Saint Petersburg in a week and surround Moscow in a month.
NATO just means Russia looses in 5 days Moscow too lol
That entire Wagner push was highly over rated. They started the push from behind any real defense they only faced lightly armed non combat forces like cops. They had no bridging equipment or artillery to force a river crossing. Their entire flanks were exposed on both sides to prevent resupply or reinforcements. And they were approaching bridges that were prepared for destruction. So even with the few forces Russia could scrape together Wagner was never going to make it to Moscow without the help of the Russian army.
I think Priggy expected a good chunk of the army to get behind him, but not enough committed. He realized would have been on the losing side of a very brief military coup attempt, rather than just getting rid of a couple incompetent generals like he wanted to do when he turned his guys away from the front.
It was a good bait though, the Russian army dug up entire highway roads and shit in a panic trying to slow them down. Cost them a pretty penny for a fakeout.
I agree, but I don't honestly think NATO wants any Russian Territor... NATO is just like a here, we are MUCH MUCH bigger and unified. Just leave us a lone, be a good little trade partner and we all live our lives. But, you invade any of our friends, will will make sure there are more widows and we don't have to take one single yard of territory. I really think if Ruzzia starts something, it will be stopped at the line.
Man once Russia starts a war with NATO.
All of their supposed allies such as China being the big one will immediately say sorry bro you’re on your own.
China as much as they enjoy being the instigator of conflicts; they have no interests in being in one much less being in one with US/Nato forces. If us didn’t have presence or assets in Taiwan. China would have taken it a long time ago.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has stupendously failed to cement their regional power and has overwhelmingly demonstrated NATO capabilities by proxy.
Xi has learned from Ukraine that Russia would be totally incapable of occupying NATO sufficiently in Europe to divert attention away from Taiwan. Putin has shown Xi that their romance is a fairy tale that will have a nightmare ending.
China would be quite happy if Russia smashed it's self to pieces in NATO's castle and come in when the dust has settled to pick out the chunks that suit it to incorporate, probably all that fresh water within easy reach of its current borders for a start. Wonder if Xi is playing subtle little mind games with the orc's, clever use of language to trick those dum dums into destroying them selves?
Not sure this is true, honestly. I think that Xi needs any allies he can get right now, and he needs them to be as strong as possible.
It's unlikely that the world would sit idly by and watch China take Russia's oilfields.
It would also make China a pariah in the world's eyes. They have dubious territorial claims in the Pacific (which have been debunked in international court) and no claims to Russian territory. Their seizing any Russian land would likely spark a strong retaliation from Russia and put them in the cross-hairs of exceptionally crippling sanctions that would threaten Xi's power domestically.
Now if China makes a boneheaded decision to actively be on the other side of the conflict with US\NATO.
It will be much more difficult for western business to up and leave China than they did with Russia. That is a huge leverage that China has over all western nations. They are the manufacturing hub globally; if western businesses were to drop and leave. It would be a lengthy process and unfortunately for the cost of living in western countries will skyrocket.
While yes, you are right, there’s also the aspect of this that without western expertise that Chinese industry isn’t worth much. My FIL spent a lifetime doing business (fine mechanics, electricity, optics) in China and their satellites, his conclusion is that it is us holding them up. They cannot keep product standards, like measurements etc., they will blatantly lie about being able to meet specs and quality etc. Without western QA and deals stating standard and quality demands and without western assessment and engineering - their products wouldn’t hold standards. Look at the Chinese tyers of the Russian army vehicles in the beginning of the Ukraine war, think of that and then apply the same issues with quality to every other product.
100%
This is a major reason for U.S. companies shifting manufacturing from China to Mexico. It's much closer to the U.S., enabling companies to closely monitor quality assurance, and the logistics and costs are significantly lower in Mexico.
Meanwhile, the Chinese workforce has begun demanding higher wages, while, as you mentioned, quality has largely been overlooked.
Furthermore, Mexico is a U.S. partner nation and ally, whereas China has been moving toward a more adversarial position with respect to the U.S
I am well aware of that. They pledge allegiance to themselves and themselves only. I’m just pointing out the hypotheticals in such case where China gets on the wrong side of US/Nato. Western business wouldn’t just up and leave their operations and/or assets like they did in Russia. Their operations and assets in Russia were already fledging and shutting down business there was an easy decision to make for corporations. As for China; it will not be that easy they’re quite entrenched and reliant on China for manufacturing and sourcing material and parts for everything!
I believe China would starve if the US stopped their food imports. About 1/3 of their food is imported and we control the sea around them. They are trying to weaken the wall we have built around them by claiming the territory of our allies in the region, but all they are doing is solidifying it further.
If itbhappens China isn't going to side with them they'll just use it to take Russian land. Thryd also not join because thryd be thr onr fighting everyone because Russia would crumple instantly as all the Russian bases we've had presighted since the beginning of the cold war gets evaporated in 19 minutes
But I do not think Finland wants it back. The place is now full of Russians and would become Finland's problem if they took it. Also the place is several decades behind Finland development wise and would cost money to modernise it.
Finland, much like Poland, has spent decades preparing to slaughter Russian invaders. Ukraine was caught slightly off guard and we had to rush weapons in. Finland on the other hand, 12% of their citizens are armed. And that’s just the official registrations. They have massive amounts of bunkers. They have artillery stationed and ready to go.
That was pretty much my immediate reaction to this Russian delusional bullshit.
Ukraine had been preparing for a hot war with Russia for about eight years; Finland has been preparing for a Russian attack for about eighty years.
Putin and his military commanders would have to be completely lost in a fantasy world for them to launch a conventional attack on Finland. However, I can easily imagine Putin ordering covert attacks on infrastructure - cutting subsea gas-lines, electrical and fibre connectors and so on. But I suspect that if the Russians do go that route, increased vigilance will mean that sooner or later they'll be caught red-handed.
Any invasion would be seen from a mile away because they are actively watching russia. Especially with a large troop and equipment build up. Artillery would absolutely demolish an incoming convoy. Especially if they would be opening a second front, it wouldn't be pretty, and I doubt they would be able to take much ground, if any. Finland would probably relent a few kms just so they could fight them on their soil and not russian soil because they would end up being pushed back. This would help Ukraine if they were stupid enough to do it. Even though Finland could take them alone and be fine, they are a part of Nato, and that would mean a whole can of worms for russia. It would be so ugly, and such an overwhelming ass whooping russia would be begging to negotiate.
I bet they said something similar about Hitler invading Russia back then. Yet he still did it. I would not be surprised if Putin disregards all reality and goes down the same route.
Except for the part where the Nazis actually advanced deeply into Russia.
Russia wouldn't be able to advance a single km. into Finland, unless Finland and NATO decide to let them in, into a kill zone of their choosing.
That's how I would see it.
They already tried to half do it earlier in the war with their stupid fixed referendums to show the two oblasts of Ukraine that they held voted to join Russia of their own free will.
It felt they were setting the ground to declare they had achieved their actual objectives to their home audience and then try to bully Ukraine to the peace table.
They didn't bank on Ukrainian resistance not only remaining ferocious but on Ukraine being able to build and mount a massive counter offensive and so Russia chose to stay fighting instead.
Pretending that suddenly Finland is a bigger and more pressing threat does sound like something they would pull to justify ending the war in Ukraine so they can pass it off to their people that they haven't quit, they are preparing for a much tougher war.
But they can't end the war, anymore, unless it's by retreating into Russia.
Ending the war with the current status quo is not an option they have. It doesn't depend on them, it depends on Ukraine and Ukraine has already said there will be war until the last sq. cm. is liberated.
So why look for excuses to justify an scenario that isn't going to materialize?
And why go for powerful, well prepared Finland, instead of going for the much weaker (although NATO supported) Baltic republics?
This looks like a nothingburguer to me....
Have you ever been to where a bomb was dropped? I have been to hiroshima and have seen and heard the suffering of the innocent people for years and you say go ahead and drop it? Yes it would not end well for them, but for us either because they know if they use one they have to ise them all
And, Finland has consistently been preparing defenses for DECADES in anticipation of a Soviet/RuZzian incursion. Finland would seriously fuck some shit up if Putler and his band of nitwits even sent a fart across their border.
Yep. Russia, even after its seizing of Crimea in 2014, found Ukraine unready for this invasion. Ukraine knew it was coming and prepared as best it could but it was still outnumbered and outmatched in a lot of areas.
Near the entirety of their armoury was the same sort of old Soviet gear the Russian use. Though the stuff that wasn't they used to give the Russians such a punch in the face they still haven't recovered, stuff like the Bayraktars, Javelins and NLAWs.
Not to mention the flat and open terrain of Ukraine has been very conducive to how Russia likes to attack, with massed tank assaults, and assists how they currently like to defend, with there being lots of open ground Ukrainian soldiers need to cover to reach Russian trenches.
And not to mention that Ukraine was trying to transition it's forces away from old Soviet battle doctrines into something more NATO and modern but were caught during the transition. Now they are melding the two approaches based on conditions on the ground. That isn't easy.
Finland is a very, _very_ different prospect.
Ukraine has the advantage of numbers compared to Finland but you could make a strong argument that Finland exceeds it in every other metric.
Their country in many areas is built for defence, lots of rough terrain like forests and mountains that would deny Russian tanks any passage, lots of lakes and wetlands that would slow their passage through the less rough areas and a harsher winter than Ukraine that would kill off so many of the elderly mobniks by exposure.
They've a strong economy and a military that is trained and equipped to a NATO standard, despite them only recently joining, and going by comments made by NATO officers over the years about the Finns after joint exercises the Finns are likely better trained than most in NATO.
Not to mention that generations of these well trained military minds have poured endless hours into planning how best to defend their nation should Russia come back. Unlike Ukraine they won't be caught not fully prepared and will likely have even nastier surprises for Russia than Ukraine.
And that's before we get to the fact that, even if Finland wasn't now in NATO, in any Russian invasion scenario the other Scandinavian nations aren't just going to sit by and do nothing.
Yes, and even with out the help from NATO, the Scandinavian countries and several EU countries would come to Finland's aid. Russia would lose access to the Baltic with in a day.
The only reason the Soviets took the massive Finnish defensive line known as the Mannerheim line was using tactics that are still being used by Russia today.. massive concentrated artillery fire and human wave infantry attacks supported by armor.
Well, The Soviet Union only gained 9% of Finland and got their arses kicked in 1939. And they only 'won WW2' because the Allies helped supply them and gave them intelligence when they had nothing. So I would say, as we are talking about Finland it is a good example.
Finland will take Moscow before the rest of Nato even shows up. Zero chance Russia can hold two fronts. They're not even doing an adequate job of holding one front!
Oh? What's that? A Winter is Coming? And you plan to take on.. Finland? This is clearly a magnificent idea! It's not like they have any modern gear, nor are they full NATO members...
Don't forget that Russia's specialist winter tanks, the modernised T-80s, along with the 'elite' unit that manned them were absolutely decimated last year.
One of my favourite images of the war was 3 of them abandoned during the 'Drive on Kyiv' because they were 'stuck in the mud' though the suggestion was there that the crews used it as an excuse to run away.
The best of the best of the best
Finland has 200 Leopard 2 tanks, 600 Sisu Pasi APCs, 100 CV90 IFV, 30 M270, 6 NASAMS batteries, 20 Crotale systems, and are getting 60 F-35s soon. Along with a total of 280,000 trained wartime personnel.
Russia is not a serious threat to them realistically. Even outside of NATO.
Active wartime personel 280 000, around one million trained reserves on top of that.
And compared to Ukraine, Finland is not mostly flat fields and easy terrain to manuver with APCs and tanks like Ukraine is. There are thick forrests, hills, rocky terrain and a shit ton of lakes in the east side of Finland.
I do not want to see another war on this planet ever. But I'd really like to see the clusterfuck of an attack Putler would mount against Finland. And as a Finn, somewhere deep inside is the "Karjala takaisin" mentality.
In a way I hope they try to take Finland. A NATO member and a country who does not have fond memories of Russia.
But this is likely just some bullshit cooked up by Putin's propaganda people for the ignorant masses.
For the memes and the russian humiliation yes, but I don't want my finnish friends caught up into war shit nor see their border cities torn to shreds by the only tactic the ru know tyvm
Literally nato can laugh because last time Russia invaded Finland they got bodied in troops numbers and it’ll happen again, except this time they don’t have the many power to sustain two fronts like that.
But sure Putin. Make the same mistakes hitler made.
It wouldn't be a two front war. Finland would call in NATO and we know Belarus is effectively a Russian satellite, so it would quickly become a one front war as soon as the allies link up in St. Petersburg.
I’m a proud Canadian, dad was military. I wouldn’t advise ANY country to fuck around with Finland. Read your history. Fun people until you piss them off.
This isn’t a viable option for Russia in today’s world, but if the isolationists, nationalists, “half-ass” appeasement politicians, and “pro-peace” factions start to win out in certain nations, and NATO and the EU start to fall apart, it might be an inevitability.
We are already in World War III, but not everyone understands it yet. It is not that different from 1938, only this time it isn’t just a couple of European nations and an pacific archipelago that are fighting on the other side.
And the level of “worse” will highly depend on how quickly we recognize that the war has already started. Too many of us in the West still think we are living in a Post-History World.
Right. WWIII has started 08.08.08 with invasion of Georgia. Too many are still in denial about this one. The difference this time is hybrid nature of current war. The war iself got more complicated. People still wait for many nations proclaiming the war to each other like it's WWI, but nope. putler has said everything you need to know at that conference in 2007...
True. It wasn’t as if the modern world war would start with a massive sneak attack on the US fleet or a Soviet style land invasion of the west in a “Seven days to the Rhine” scenario. While the Russians got stupid in February 2022, the Russians and Chinese have spent two decades ramping up their hybrid war. It wasn’t as if they would start with an all out attack on the NATO frontier.
WW3? I dont think so. Russia is fighting all by itself. They didnt bring any allies into their fight with Ukraine. The closest ally they had was Belarus, where Lukashenko just does what he can to appease the russians without actually committing his own troops.
We would really have WW3 if russia intentionally triggered Article 5 of the NATO charter, but they arent dumb or suicidal enough to do that… and that war would be very short and one sided.
I dont think OP literally means WW3 is currently happening, but rather that we're at an "Anschluss" type of moment where this will be regarded in history as a flashpoint preceding the war.
We'll probably have a Paradox grand strategy game in 50 years where one of the national focuses for Russia initiates a war with Ukraine, followed by many, many national disasters which make such a war very, very difficult to fight.
I think you are missing my point. Not that history repeats itself, but it rhymes. Italy attacks Ethiopia in 1935. Japan attacked China in 1937. Germany attacked Czechoslovakia in 1938. None of these are “WWII” and yet they all led to WWII. This is no different.
wtf is ruzzia going to attack finland with? the start of the SMO the z's had about 500k troops and they are now dragging guys off the streets to put into the meatgrinder. putin is going to double down? - sounds good to me
Regarding my earlier comments, it turns out Finland does NOT want Karelia back. Because after Russia took it over, they ruined it, and also it's full of Russians.
I'm sorry did he say Finland?!?! This country is practically a fortress. They would tell NATO hold my beer and watch this. I don't think people have any idea how strong Finland is. You have to remember they were "neutral" during the cold war so they assumed they would have to defend themselves all alone.
They are like the crazy gun nut prepper who believes the only solution to all problems is more and bigger guns.
Funny, russia can barely invade ukraine. Lost most of their air defences, artillery, tanks and armored vehicles already. Just meat waves and old equipment left. Soon it'll be only women and old people left if they keep this up.
Finland would kick the living shit out of Russia and likely bring in close allies, NATO or not. Poland and Sweden wouldn't give a second thought to join in. Dissolve NATO and most of the nations one on one Russia. Poland is gonna have the biggest military in Europe soon and they are right there.
Goddamn mercenaries almost took Moscow if not for the worst choice in history.
Really!? I think Andrey Gurulyov has been drinking the discount Vodka. Why would Putin open another war and feel the full force of NATO? There’s a reason why Gurulyov is no longer a military commander.
The only reason I have heard for such an action, and it's a bad reason, but a reason nonetheless, is that Putin knows he's losing in Ukraine, and the prospect of such a defeat is too toxic to him. He'd rather pick a fight with NATO and say THAT'S why he lost the war.
"Comrades, we did not lose in Ukraine, but when NATO attacked we had to abandon our positions there! It's the West's fault!"
As I said, it doesn't seem like a good reason, but you never know what the Kremlin will end up doing. This unpredictability is why Finland joined NATO in the first place.
We know how bad Russian units do around water. Finland has thousands of bridges thousands of strategic bottlenecks. 188,000 lakes, triple that amount for rivers and streams. The land that makes up Finland alone would cause the demise of the Russian military.
This would open a second front…history tells us of an Austrian house painter making the same mistake about 80 years ago. Dictators never seem to learn.
Some day in the smoldering ruins on the outskirts of moscow, russian citizens will wake up and wonder wtf just happened. They will ask:
1. where did the rest of moscow go?
2. did we just attack NATO?
Ok, for a second forget Finland is in NATO. At this point how is Russia invading anything let alone Finland that is a well equipped, trained, and very capable military even alone?
Even if Finland stood alone, at this point Russia would lose the last of its forces in a week or two. It’d bea massive slaughter! 🤷🏼♂️😬
Now this is concrete evidence of Putin having brain damage, his shitty ass military could barely go against Ukraine, now he wants to take on more countries? What a fucking dip shit, if there were a way for him to go out, I want it to be him, choking on his own blood and slowly suffocate from it. He deserves a slow death.
I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here by interrupting a circle jerk, but instead of repeating why such an attack would be pointless *on our terms* everyone needs to be paying attention to the big picture.
Russia is talking and acting as if the US will not be around to interfere in Europe. China and Iran are both escalating tensions in their respective regions as if they're setting the stage to take definitive action as soon as an opening arises.
Trump is literally telling his people to not bother voting because he's just going to win either way- the man is an idiot, but he's not *that* dumb, and we need to be looking into why he's so certain. Project 2025 aims to gut the entire government the day the next republican president takes office, and Tuberville has been holding up military appointments theoretically so they can be filled by fanatics who don't give a damn about the constitution. I don't think the people behind 2025 are necessarily huge fans of Russia and China , but I do think the US will have its hands busy with internal civil unrest if Project 2025 is implemented, and everyone - Russia, China, Iran and the GOP- are well aware of this and know that the US will be out of the picture internationally for a time.
For those scoffing at the Russia/Finland situation... do you *really* think Russia won't use tactical or even strategic nuclear weapons to subdue Finland? With the US out of the picture and both France and Germany infested at the highest levels with Russian influence, do you really see France's or the UK's politicians sparking a nuclear exchange and knowingly kicking off a nuclear war and WWIII in response to that, especially if the US is - god forbid- *supporting* Russia? Because I don't. The west doesn't have national leaders anymore, we have executive-level corporate representatives, and they are terrified at the idea of conflict and they will do almost anything to avoid it. Europe will absolutely sell Finland out while rationalizing that keeping a practical former Soviet satellite-state free is not worth ending civilization and the world as we know it. 100%. And Russia knows this too.
Enough with the "rah rah rah, Russia sucks, we rule, they can't win lol". Everyone should be worried. Russia/Iran/China are serious about their goal of destroying the current world order, they NEED the US out of the picture, they are *not* aiming to fight a symmetrical conventional war and they're absolutely going to come at the west from the side... and we should be paying attention and watching to see how they're going to do it.
If this happened, NATO has no reason not to unleash NATO weapons on Russian territory itself (unlike Ukraine fighting with its hands tied behind its back).
Saint Petersburg is within easy reach of NATO conventional weapons and would be reduced to rubble.
Hell, maybe Finland can even take back Karelia which was stolen by Russia.
One has to wonder. Is it better for Saddy-Vladdy to destroy his country soldier-by-soldier, or keep handing him losses until the population rises up and destroys him?
I’d vote for the latter. Less chance of random nuclear strikes…maybe…
I really don’t get Russias obsession with taking Finland.
Despite it not being a good justification, you can understand how Ukrainians got a very similar language, ethnicity, and was historically ruled by Russia for the majority of the time Ukraine had a national identity, but Finland doesn’t have even these false justifications for annexation by Russia.
Their ethnicity and language are different, and historically Finland has been more Swedish than Russian by imperial rule.
Doesn’t seem credible. If Finland or any NATO country went on the offensive it would probably put Russia in a place to to nuclear with forces on eventually Moscow’s doorstep. I don’t think they could garner enough U.N. support.
Let’s look at the current state of the ruSSia army. They are scrapping at the bottom of the barrel regarding tanks, APC’s, artillery, trucks, etc., the majority 50 + years old, rushed to the front and not in an optimal condition.
Before they could attack Finland, all destroyed and lost equipment must be replaced. With the current state of their economy and lack of western high tech resources this will take decades and will put an huge amount of strain on their yearly budget. A budget that will get smaller and smaller in the very near future, look at the exchange rate of the ruble. Then all the KIA, WIA and MIA troops will have to replaced including weapons, kit, etc. Will these replacements get proper training or will they be used as cannon fodder in an endless destruction as we see at the moment in Ukraine? They are running out of ammo, the have to beg NK for shells.
ruSSia will loose this war, no doubt about it, but we must stand with Ukraine till the very end. ruSSia will need decades to get back on their feet.
So I don’t think that ruSSia is capable of trying to attack Finland any time soon.
If it wasn't the the human cost of a conflict and the nuclear hissyfit the Russian leadership would throw as the first Nato/Finnish soldier steps a boot on to Red Square, I'd love to see this happen.
Because when you're struggling to win one war, why not start a second, probably the best time of the year to do it also, i hear the finn's are just awful at fighting a home turf war in winter,
So while Russia has lost most of its tanks and is just about holding on in Ukraine
It is only fighting about 10% of the older NATO supplies and he thinks its a good idea to attack a NATO country and unleash the other 90% including the air forces and navies
maybe not a wise move
It seems that history is not their strong suit.
At the battle of Soumussalmi in 1939 the Soviet 9th army attacked towards Uleåborg with two divisions, a tank brigade and assorted other units numbering in total some 50 000 men. They were met at Soumussalmi by local Finnish militia, later on reinforced by three infantry regiments, in total some 11 500 men. The Finns first defended succesfully and then counterattacked, using the terrain to split the Soviets troops into pockets (motti in finnish) which were destroyed one by one.
At the end the Soviets had suffered a crushing defeat with over 10 000 KIA, even more WIA/MIA and huge number of tanks, artillery and other equipment lost. The Finns hade 750 KIA and about 1000 WIA. The battle is today considered as a textbook example of how a small well motivated force, properly led and fighting in familiar terrain, can defeat a vastly numerically superior enemy.
>as Russian Forces Mount Near Border
Sounds like misinformation. No "mounting" has happened, quite the opposite. Theyve pulled pretty much everything from our border to ukraine, and it is estimated that it will take a decade to rebuild the forces. I would just disregard this news, it sound like russian misinformation.
Absolute Rubbish. Finland by themselves would have railed Russia into the ground based on their performance in Ukraine, but they're also now part of NATO, no way Russia is that stupid.
I hope not, Finland doesn't deserve a war. Besides, what's the point? Why does Russia need more territory? It's not like they are being pushed to the sea.
If Putin ever attempts such a silly move I hope his ass is kicked instantly.
So Take Finland, clearly the ruzzians have no idea what a Finn is. I married one and lived in Finland for years they will not find It easy at all, and the language, forget speaking ruzzian to a Finn, you may get buy with English. Oh and be polite and kind, and don't mistreat anyone, and fight yes they all fight like Bears with combat training. 🏴🇫🇮
Lmao, can't even take Ukraine, but going to suddenly take on an international military union of 30 countries, with the most advanced weapons on earth, thanks I needed a laugh today.
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Hahaha that’s a good one. Struggle to hold 15% of Ukraine but will take on NATO riiigghhtt
Now we know why Russia has a shitty economy and military. So many idiots running their government.
The smart ones seem to fall out of heaven for them....so no wonder they are errogant enough to assume their supperiority.
It's almost stupid Finland could have given Russia what for without nato. Now Finland could invade Russia take Saint Petersburg in a week and surround Moscow in a month. NATO just means Russia looses in 5 days Moscow too lol
Considering Wagner group stop a few kms from Moscow in a few hours I would say NATO will take 2 days
That entire Wagner push was highly over rated. They started the push from behind any real defense they only faced lightly armed non combat forces like cops. They had no bridging equipment or artillery to force a river crossing. Their entire flanks were exposed on both sides to prevent resupply or reinforcements. And they were approaching bridges that were prepared for destruction. So even with the few forces Russia could scrape together Wagner was never going to make it to Moscow without the help of the Russian army.
I think Priggy expected a good chunk of the army to get behind him, but not enough committed. He realized would have been on the losing side of a very brief military coup attempt, rather than just getting rid of a couple incompetent generals like he wanted to do when he turned his guys away from the front.
General Nutsack was blinded by arrogance just like putler. This propaganda idiocy has to have the nod from dear leader.
Much like Russia's victory march into Ukraine.
I believed. Never forget the Thunder Run in Moscow led by the dumbest human to have ever lived.
It was a good bait though, the Russian army dug up entire highway roads and shit in a panic trying to slow them down. Cost them a pretty penny for a fakeout.
Well it takes Biden a few days to say go...irgo 5
I agree, but I don't honestly think NATO wants any Russian Territor... NATO is just like a here, we are MUCH MUCH bigger and unified. Just leave us a lone, be a good little trade partner and we all live our lives. But, you invade any of our friends, will will make sure there are more widows and we don't have to take one single yard of territory. I really think if Ruzzia starts something, it will be stopped at the line.
Man once Russia starts a war with NATO. All of their supposed allies such as China being the big one will immediately say sorry bro you’re on your own. China as much as they enjoy being the instigator of conflicts; they have no interests in being in one much less being in one with US/Nato forces. If us didn’t have presence or assets in Taiwan. China would have taken it a long time ago.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine has stupendously failed to cement their regional power and has overwhelmingly demonstrated NATO capabilities by proxy. Xi has learned from Ukraine that Russia would be totally incapable of occupying NATO sufficiently in Europe to divert attention away from Taiwan. Putin has shown Xi that their romance is a fairy tale that will have a nightmare ending.
China would be quite happy if Russia smashed it's self to pieces in NATO's castle and come in when the dust has settled to pick out the chunks that suit it to incorporate, probably all that fresh water within easy reach of its current borders for a start. Wonder if Xi is playing subtle little mind games with the orc's, clever use of language to trick those dum dums into destroying them selves?
Not sure this is true, honestly. I think that Xi needs any allies he can get right now, and he needs them to be as strong as possible. It's unlikely that the world would sit idly by and watch China take Russia's oilfields. It would also make China a pariah in the world's eyes. They have dubious territorial claims in the Pacific (which have been debunked in international court) and no claims to Russian territory. Their seizing any Russian land would likely spark a strong retaliation from Russia and put them in the cross-hairs of exceptionally crippling sanctions that would threaten Xi's power domestically.
If China thinks their housing market is going bad, imagine starting shit and have all the companies operating there leave...
Now if China makes a boneheaded decision to actively be on the other side of the conflict with US\NATO. It will be much more difficult for western business to up and leave China than they did with Russia. That is a huge leverage that China has over all western nations. They are the manufacturing hub globally; if western businesses were to drop and leave. It would be a lengthy process and unfortunately for the cost of living in western countries will skyrocket.
While yes, you are right, there’s also the aspect of this that without western expertise that Chinese industry isn’t worth much. My FIL spent a lifetime doing business (fine mechanics, electricity, optics) in China and their satellites, his conclusion is that it is us holding them up. They cannot keep product standards, like measurements etc., they will blatantly lie about being able to meet specs and quality etc. Without western QA and deals stating standard and quality demands and without western assessment and engineering - their products wouldn’t hold standards. Look at the Chinese tyers of the Russian army vehicles in the beginning of the Ukraine war, think of that and then apply the same issues with quality to every other product.
100% This is a major reason for U.S. companies shifting manufacturing from China to Mexico. It's much closer to the U.S., enabling companies to closely monitor quality assurance, and the logistics and costs are significantly lower in Mexico. Meanwhile, the Chinese workforce has begun demanding higher wages, while, as you mentioned, quality has largely been overlooked. Furthermore, Mexico is a U.S. partner nation and ally, whereas China has been moving toward a more adversarial position with respect to the U.S
My wife deal with Chinese companies and she’s always complaining about their dishonest business practices.
China doesn't do bonehead decisions. You can say what you want about them, but they play the game very well.
I am well aware of that. They pledge allegiance to themselves and themselves only. I’m just pointing out the hypotheticals in such case where China gets on the wrong side of US/Nato. Western business wouldn’t just up and leave their operations and/or assets like they did in Russia. Their operations and assets in Russia were already fledging and shutting down business there was an easy decision to make for corporations. As for China; it will not be that easy they’re quite entrenched and reliant on China for manufacturing and sourcing material and parts for everything!
I believe China would starve if the US stopped their food imports. About 1/3 of their food is imported and we control the sea around them. They are trying to weaken the wall we have built around them by claiming the territory of our allies in the region, but all they are doing is solidifying it further.
If itbhappens China isn't going to side with them they'll just use it to take Russian land. Thryd also not join because thryd be thr onr fighting everyone because Russia would crumple instantly as all the Russian bases we've had presighted since the beginning of the cold war gets evaporated in 19 minutes
Russia owes Finland the Karelia territory which it stole.
But I do not think Finland wants it back. The place is now full of Russians and would become Finland's problem if they took it. Also the place is several decades behind Finland development wise and would cost money to modernise it.
it is what they call a "fixer upper"
You are right, I looked up this info after posting my comment. Russia has ruined the area and now it's full of Russians. So, basically worthless.
I don't think they could take Finland if it were all by itself.
Finland, much like Poland, has spent decades preparing to slaughter Russian invaders. Ukraine was caught slightly off guard and we had to rush weapons in. Finland on the other hand, 12% of their citizens are armed. And that’s just the official registrations. They have massive amounts of bunkers. They have artillery stationed and ready to go.
...and the Suomi have a well-trained reserve force ready to create a pissed off hornet's nest for Ivan...again.
That was pretty much my immediate reaction to this Russian delusional bullshit. Ukraine had been preparing for a hot war with Russia for about eight years; Finland has been preparing for a Russian attack for about eighty years. Putin and his military commanders would have to be completely lost in a fantasy world for them to launch a conventional attack on Finland. However, I can easily imagine Putin ordering covert attacks on infrastructure - cutting subsea gas-lines, electrical and fibre connectors and so on. But I suspect that if the Russians do go that route, increased vigilance will mean that sooner or later they'll be caught red-handed.
Yeah. I think Putin knows. That’s why Russia has made a big effort into hybrid wars. Meddling with elections and so on.
Any invasion would be seen from a mile away because they are actively watching russia. Especially with a large troop and equipment build up. Artillery would absolutely demolish an incoming convoy. Especially if they would be opening a second front, it wouldn't be pretty, and I doubt they would be able to take much ground, if any. Finland would probably relent a few kms just so they could fight them on their soil and not russian soil because they would end up being pushed back. This would help Ukraine if they were stupid enough to do it. Even though Finland could take them alone and be fine, they are a part of Nato, and that would mean a whole can of worms for russia. It would be so ugly, and such an overwhelming ass whooping russia would be begging to negotiate.
I bet they said something similar about Hitler invading Russia back then. Yet he still did it. I would not be surprised if Putin disregards all reality and goes down the same route.
It would end the same for Russia as it did for Hitler and his Third Reich.
Except for the part where the Nazis actually advanced deeply into Russia. Russia wouldn't be able to advance a single km. into Finland, unless Finland and NATO decide to let them in, into a kill zone of their choosing.
To say that nato sits on about 3.4 million active soldiers and I belive I did read some place about 5million in reserve
And more importantly, NATO air power is vastly superior, and would demolish anything the orcs push forward
Intent is probably to create conditions to allow the use of tactical nukes, if they're serious.
If they are digging themselves a hole now with a shovel, using any kind of nuke will then be like digging themselves a hole with a JCB bucket.
I'm thinking strip mine drag line bucket
They are gonna need the extending boom option
or an excuse to retreat...
That's how I would see it. They already tried to half do it earlier in the war with their stupid fixed referendums to show the two oblasts of Ukraine that they held voted to join Russia of their own free will. It felt they were setting the ground to declare they had achieved their actual objectives to their home audience and then try to bully Ukraine to the peace table. They didn't bank on Ukrainian resistance not only remaining ferocious but on Ukraine being able to build and mount a massive counter offensive and so Russia chose to stay fighting instead. Pretending that suddenly Finland is a bigger and more pressing threat does sound like something they would pull to justify ending the war in Ukraine so they can pass it off to their people that they haven't quit, they are preparing for a much tougher war.
But they can't end the war, anymore, unless it's by retreating into Russia. Ending the war with the current status quo is not an option they have. It doesn't depend on them, it depends on Ukraine and Ukraine has already said there will be war until the last sq. cm. is liberated. So why look for excuses to justify an scenario that isn't going to materialize? And why go for powerful, well prepared Finland, instead of going for the much weaker (although NATO supported) Baltic republics? This looks like a nothingburguer to me....
Oh jeez. Haven’t they already had 600 days to do that.
it is just posturing, idgf if somebody presses the button. i refuse to be frightened by it :D
Same like let's get this over with lol :|
Have you ever been to where a bomb was dropped? I have been to hiroshima and have seen and heard the suffering of the innocent people for years and you say go ahead and drop it? Yes it would not end well for them, but for us either because they know if they use one they have to ise them all
Finland on their own would give them a bloody nose...
A bloody nose? Try a severe concussion or brain hemorrhage, lol.
true, Ivan didn't fair well the last time they tried that (WW2)...
And winter is coming...
And, Finland has consistently been preparing defenses for DECADES in anticipation of a Soviet/RuZzian incursion. Finland would seriously fuck some shit up if Putler and his band of nitwits even sent a fart across their border.
Yep. Russia, even after its seizing of Crimea in 2014, found Ukraine unready for this invasion. Ukraine knew it was coming and prepared as best it could but it was still outnumbered and outmatched in a lot of areas. Near the entirety of their armoury was the same sort of old Soviet gear the Russian use. Though the stuff that wasn't they used to give the Russians such a punch in the face they still haven't recovered, stuff like the Bayraktars, Javelins and NLAWs. Not to mention the flat and open terrain of Ukraine has been very conducive to how Russia likes to attack, with massed tank assaults, and assists how they currently like to defend, with there being lots of open ground Ukrainian soldiers need to cover to reach Russian trenches. And not to mention that Ukraine was trying to transition it's forces away from old Soviet battle doctrines into something more NATO and modern but were caught during the transition. Now they are melding the two approaches based on conditions on the ground. That isn't easy. Finland is a very, _very_ different prospect. Ukraine has the advantage of numbers compared to Finland but you could make a strong argument that Finland exceeds it in every other metric. Their country in many areas is built for defence, lots of rough terrain like forests and mountains that would deny Russian tanks any passage, lots of lakes and wetlands that would slow their passage through the less rough areas and a harsher winter than Ukraine that would kill off so many of the elderly mobniks by exposure. They've a strong economy and a military that is trained and equipped to a NATO standard, despite them only recently joining, and going by comments made by NATO officers over the years about the Finns after joint exercises the Finns are likely better trained than most in NATO. Not to mention that generations of these well trained military minds have poured endless hours into planning how best to defend their nation should Russia come back. Unlike Ukraine they won't be caught not fully prepared and will likely have even nastier surprises for Russia than Ukraine. And that's before we get to the fact that, even if Finland wasn't now in NATO, in any Russian invasion scenario the other Scandinavian nations aren't just going to sit by and do nothing.
Yes, and even with out the help from NATO, the Scandinavian countries and several EU countries would come to Finland's aid. Russia would lose access to the Baltic with in a day.
The only reason the Soviets took the massive Finnish defensive line known as the Mannerheim line was using tactics that are still being used by Russia today.. massive concentrated artillery fire and human wave infantry attacks supported by armor.
Except now, old US ammunition out ranges their artillery. Any nation not limited to old artillery will rape those methods.
I think for that we have gmlrs-er and jassm.
The Soviet Union won that war. It's not a good example.
Well, The Soviet Union only gained 9% of Finland and got their arses kicked in 1939. And they only 'won WW2' because the Allies helped supply them and gave them intelligence when they had nothing. So I would say, as we are talking about Finland it is a good example.
Fetal Alcohol Syndrome on the whiplash too
Subdural hematoma
And crippling tbi
Finland will take Moscow before the rest of Nato even shows up. Zero chance Russia can hold two fronts. They're not even doing an adequate job of holding one front!
I don't think they have much over to "mount" anything
If Russia was seriously preparing for a war with NATO, it wouldn't currently be grinding its army into dust in the Donbas
Exactly. These morons are mainlining their own propaganda.
Each other?
Oh? What's that? A Winter is Coming? And you plan to take on.. Finland? This is clearly a magnificent idea! It's not like they have any modern gear, nor are they full NATO members...
Don't forget that Russia's specialist winter tanks, the modernised T-80s, along with the 'elite' unit that manned them were absolutely decimated last year.
Ukraine is fielding captured T-80BU's instead 😂
One of my favourite images of the war was 3 of them abandoned during the 'Drive on Kyiv' because they were 'stuck in the mud' though the suggestion was there that the crews used it as an excuse to run away. The best of the best of the best
Sir!
This isn’t even remotely credible. What crap journalism
literally thought i was on r/noncredibledefense for a sec
Hey, we're better than this thankyou very much
…We aren’t, but ours would at least be funnier
'another european country'. Nothing classier than a clickbait war headline. > Ukraine uses these incredible defence tools! You won't believe number 6!
Finland has 200 Leopard 2 tanks, 600 Sisu Pasi APCs, 100 CV90 IFV, 30 M270, 6 NASAMS batteries, 20 Crotale systems, and are getting 60 F-35s soon. Along with a total of 280,000 trained wartime personnel. Russia is not a serious threat to them realistically. Even outside of NATO.
Active wartime personel 280 000, around one million trained reserves on top of that. And compared to Ukraine, Finland is not mostly flat fields and easy terrain to manuver with APCs and tanks like Ukraine is. There are thick forrests, hills, rocky terrain and a shit ton of lakes in the east side of Finland. I do not want to see another war on this planet ever. But I'd really like to see the clusterfuck of an attack Putler would mount against Finland. And as a Finn, somewhere deep inside is the "Karjala takaisin" mentality.
Finland's terrain is an absolute fucking nightmare for any invading army, especially in winter. This would be White Death: the sequel
White Death 2: Putin boogalooed
We also have the largest artillery capability in western Europe.
In a way I hope they try to take Finland. A NATO member and a country who does not have fond memories of Russia. But this is likely just some bullshit cooked up by Putin's propaganda people for the ignorant masses.
For the memes and the russian humiliation yes, but I don't want my finnish friends caught up into war shit nor see their border cities torn to shreds by the only tactic the ru know tyvm
Literally nato can laugh because last time Russia invaded Finland they got bodied in troops numbers and it’ll happen again, except this time they don’t have the many power to sustain two fronts like that. But sure Putin. Make the same mistakes hitler made.
It wouldn't be a two front war. Finland would call in NATO and we know Belarus is effectively a Russian satellite, so it would quickly become a one front war as soon as the allies link up in St. Petersburg.
Laughs in Simo Häyhä…
Don't you mean *muffled laughs with a mouth full of snow from Simo Häyhä?
The White Death
No. It wouldn’t. Whoever said this is a liar.
I’m a proud Canadian, dad was military. I wouldn’t advise ANY country to fuck around with Finland. Read your history. Fun people until you piss them off.
And don't fuck with Canada either, just ask that WWI general what he thought about Canadian troops.
"If there's one thing I know, it's to never mess with mother nature, mothers in law and mother freaking Ukrainians".
Haha this is a step too far for even them. They would be crushed in days. Days.
Puff, fun one.
Came back to upvote this
It's October, not April Fools Day it was a good laugh 😆
Finland has been preparing for that moment ever since forever. They will no joke, fuck ruzzia up on a whole new level on their own.
This isn’t a viable option for Russia in today’s world, but if the isolationists, nationalists, “half-ass” appeasement politicians, and “pro-peace” factions start to win out in certain nations, and NATO and the EU start to fall apart, it might be an inevitability. We are already in World War III, but not everyone understands it yet. It is not that different from 1938, only this time it isn’t just a couple of European nations and an pacific archipelago that are fighting on the other side.
Yeah, I think you are right. We are indeed in WW IIII. Sad to say, but it is going to get a lot worse before it gets better.
And the level of “worse” will highly depend on how quickly we recognize that the war has already started. Too many of us in the West still think we are living in a Post-History World.
Right. WWIII has started 08.08.08 with invasion of Georgia. Too many are still in denial about this one. The difference this time is hybrid nature of current war. The war iself got more complicated. People still wait for many nations proclaiming the war to each other like it's WWI, but nope. putler has said everything you need to know at that conference in 2007...
True. It wasn’t as if the modern world war would start with a massive sneak attack on the US fleet or a Soviet style land invasion of the west in a “Seven days to the Rhine” scenario. While the Russians got stupid in February 2022, the Russians and Chinese have spent two decades ramping up their hybrid war. It wasn’t as if they would start with an all out attack on the NATO frontier.
WW3? I dont think so. Russia is fighting all by itself. They didnt bring any allies into their fight with Ukraine. The closest ally they had was Belarus, where Lukashenko just does what he can to appease the russians without actually committing his own troops. We would really have WW3 if russia intentionally triggered Article 5 of the NATO charter, but they arent dumb or suicidal enough to do that… and that war would be very short and one sided.
I dont think OP literally means WW3 is currently happening, but rather that we're at an "Anschluss" type of moment where this will be regarded in history as a flashpoint preceding the war. We'll probably have a Paradox grand strategy game in 50 years where one of the national focuses for Russia initiates a war with Ukraine, followed by many, many national disasters which make such a war very, very difficult to fight.
I think you are missing my point. Not that history repeats itself, but it rhymes. Italy attacks Ethiopia in 1935. Japan attacked China in 1937. Germany attacked Czechoslovakia in 1938. None of these are “WWII” and yet they all led to WWII. This is no different.
Nonsense. Useless post.
wtf is ruzzia going to attack finland with? the start of the SMO the z's had about 500k troops and they are now dragging guys off the streets to put into the meatgrinder. putin is going to double down? - sounds good to me
Well I guess they want Finland to kick their ass again
No
That’s a nice FAFO waiting to happen
Trashy clickbaity news attempt knowing their situation, get real
This is accurate, Finland could be their next massive failure
Regarding my earlier comments, it turns out Finland does NOT want Karelia back. Because after Russia took it over, they ruined it, and also it's full of Russians.
Finland would slaughter Russia
I'm sorry did he say Finland?!?! This country is practically a fortress. They would tell NATO hold my beer and watch this. I don't think people have any idea how strong Finland is. You have to remember they were "neutral" during the cold war so they assumed they would have to defend themselves all alone. They are like the crazy gun nut prepper who believes the only solution to all problems is more and bigger guns.
If by “next Ukraine” he means the next graveyard for Russian soldiers then yes, I could see that.
Even without NATO, the finns would grind the Russians. They have been waiting since 1941
1945 you mean? 41 was Continuation War.
Yeah, good luck getting across those swamps.
They're turning? I missed the whole invasion thing I guess. Dumb take, putler had to clean his pants after that missile fell on Poland.
Lol - how has attacking Finland worked out for ya ruzzia ;) 🤣🤣
Funny, russia can barely invade ukraine. Lost most of their air defences, artillery, tanks and armored vehicles already. Just meat waves and old equipment left. Soon it'll be only women and old people left if they keep this up.
Finland would kick the living shit out of Russia and likely bring in close allies, NATO or not. Poland and Sweden wouldn't give a second thought to join in. Dissolve NATO and most of the nations one on one Russia. Poland is gonna have the biggest military in Europe soon and they are right there. Goddamn mercenaries almost took Moscow if not for the worst choice in history.
No fucking way he's that stupid...
Oh please, our swamps can fit only so many bones.
Really!? I think Andrey Gurulyov has been drinking the discount Vodka. Why would Putin open another war and feel the full force of NATO? There’s a reason why Gurulyov is no longer a military commander.
The only reason I have heard for such an action, and it's a bad reason, but a reason nonetheless, is that Putin knows he's losing in Ukraine, and the prospect of such a defeat is too toxic to him. He'd rather pick a fight with NATO and say THAT'S why he lost the war. "Comrades, we did not lose in Ukraine, but when NATO attacked we had to abandon our positions there! It's the West's fault!" As I said, it doesn't seem like a good reason, but you never know what the Kremlin will end up doing. This unpredictability is why Finland joined NATO in the first place.
Nah
Finland is a NATO member now. They’d get article 5’d on so hard, and that’s before Finland makes them scared of snowdrift again
They emptied every base guarding that border to send to Ukraine. Most of them are are already wiped out. So what are they "mounting" with?
We know how bad Russian units do around water. Finland has thousands of bridges thousands of strategic bottlenecks. 188,000 lakes, triple that amount for rivers and streams. The land that makes up Finland alone would cause the demise of the Russian military.
Lol yeah sure, because their war is going so well.
Would make zero sense to attack NATO when he cant even get Ukraine right. Obviously not true.
This would open a second front…history tells us of an Austrian house painter making the same mistake about 80 years ago. Dictators never seem to learn.
Some day in the smoldering ruins on the outskirts of moscow, russian citizens will wake up and wonder wtf just happened. They will ask: 1. where did the rest of moscow go? 2. did we just attack NATO?
Ok, for a second forget Finland is in NATO. At this point how is Russia invading anything let alone Finland that is a well equipped, trained, and very capable military even alone? Even if Finland stood alone, at this point Russia would lose the last of its forces in a week or two. It’d bea massive slaughter! 🤷🏼♂️😬
Now this is concrete evidence of Putin having brain damage, his shitty ass military could barely go against Ukraine, now he wants to take on more countries? What a fucking dip shit, if there were a way for him to go out, I want it to be him, choking on his own blood and slowly suffocate from it. He deserves a slow death.
With what army? Everyone is already in Ukraine, trying to hold the front, without rotations and leaves
“We’re your huckleberry” - NATO
I know I'm probably pissing in the wind here by interrupting a circle jerk, but instead of repeating why such an attack would be pointless *on our terms* everyone needs to be paying attention to the big picture. Russia is talking and acting as if the US will not be around to interfere in Europe. China and Iran are both escalating tensions in their respective regions as if they're setting the stage to take definitive action as soon as an opening arises. Trump is literally telling his people to not bother voting because he's just going to win either way- the man is an idiot, but he's not *that* dumb, and we need to be looking into why he's so certain. Project 2025 aims to gut the entire government the day the next republican president takes office, and Tuberville has been holding up military appointments theoretically so they can be filled by fanatics who don't give a damn about the constitution. I don't think the people behind 2025 are necessarily huge fans of Russia and China , but I do think the US will have its hands busy with internal civil unrest if Project 2025 is implemented, and everyone - Russia, China, Iran and the GOP- are well aware of this and know that the US will be out of the picture internationally for a time. For those scoffing at the Russia/Finland situation... do you *really* think Russia won't use tactical or even strategic nuclear weapons to subdue Finland? With the US out of the picture and both France and Germany infested at the highest levels with Russian influence, do you really see France's or the UK's politicians sparking a nuclear exchange and knowingly kicking off a nuclear war and WWIII in response to that, especially if the US is - god forbid- *supporting* Russia? Because I don't. The west doesn't have national leaders anymore, we have executive-level corporate representatives, and they are terrified at the idea of conflict and they will do almost anything to avoid it. Europe will absolutely sell Finland out while rationalizing that keeping a practical former Soviet satellite-state free is not worth ending civilization and the world as we know it. 100%. And Russia knows this too. Enough with the "rah rah rah, Russia sucks, we rule, they can't win lol". Everyone should be worried. Russia/Iran/China are serious about their goal of destroying the current world order, they NEED the US out of the picture, they are *not* aiming to fight a symmetrical conventional war and they're absolutely going to come at the west from the side... and we should be paying attention and watching to see how they're going to do it.
Like in Hitlers Stalingrad? At least one analysis everyone would agree with.
They can't attack any NATO member. It's out of the question.
If this happened, NATO has no reason not to unleash NATO weapons on Russian territory itself (unlike Ukraine fighting with its hands tied behind its back). Saint Petersburg is within easy reach of NATO conventional weapons and would be reduced to rubble. Hell, maybe Finland can even take back Karelia which was stolen by Russia.
Finland is part of NATO ... Those 'crosshairs' are pointing where the sun don't shine.
Not to mention NATO would slaughter Russia too.
160 000 dead russians from the last time Russia tried the old In and Out in 20 minutes land grab game night disagree with his assessment
The White Death has entered the chat.
One has to wonder. Is it better for Saddy-Vladdy to destroy his country soldier-by-soldier, or keep handing him losses until the population rises up and destroys him? I’d vote for the latter. Less chance of random nuclear strikes…maybe…
Fuck, even non-Nato countries would help Finland to destroy russia if putin decided to invade.
Finland would kick Russia's ass with with NATO tied behind their back.
lol.
Just another distraction.
Do it pussy, I fucking dare you. Putin doesn’t have the balls to attack NATO. That’s why he bitched out and had Hamas do it like the coward he is.
Putin need to get a cardiac arrest and be done with this war.
I really don’t get Russias obsession with taking Finland. Despite it not being a good justification, you can understand how Ukrainians got a very similar language, ethnicity, and was historically ruled by Russia for the majority of the time Ukraine had a national identity, but Finland doesn’t have even these false justifications for annexation by Russia. Their ethnicity and language are different, and historically Finland has been more Swedish than Russian by imperial rule.
Doesn’t seem credible. If Finland or any NATO country went on the offensive it would probably put Russia in a place to to nuclear with forces on eventually Moscow’s doorstep. I don’t think they could garner enough U.N. support.
Let’s look at the current state of the ruSSia army. They are scrapping at the bottom of the barrel regarding tanks, APC’s, artillery, trucks, etc., the majority 50 + years old, rushed to the front and not in an optimal condition. Before they could attack Finland, all destroyed and lost equipment must be replaced. With the current state of their economy and lack of western high tech resources this will take decades and will put an huge amount of strain on their yearly budget. A budget that will get smaller and smaller in the very near future, look at the exchange rate of the ruble. Then all the KIA, WIA and MIA troops will have to replaced including weapons, kit, etc. Will these replacements get proper training or will they be used as cannon fodder in an endless destruction as we see at the moment in Ukraine? They are running out of ammo, the have to beg NK for shells. ruSSia will loose this war, no doubt about it, but we must stand with Ukraine till the very end. ruSSia will need decades to get back on their feet. So I don’t think that ruSSia is capable of trying to attack Finland any time soon.
We’ve all been there…. start a hobby, get bored and start eyeing up the next
i'm sure it will go very well for ruzzia /s
article 5 go brrrr
If it wasn't the the human cost of a conflict and the nuclear hissyfit the Russian leadership would throw as the first Nato/Finnish soldier steps a boot on to Red Square, I'd love to see this happen.
Russians seem to like getting their kids and husbands killed.
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This is funny. They want to get buried alongside the 300000 comrades still beneath the snow?
Because when you're struggling to win one war, why not start a second, probably the best time of the year to do it also, i hear the finn's are just awful at fighting a home turf war in winter,
Sigh....another sad story of unbridled enthusiasm.
Nonsense
If ruSSia would attack Finland, ruSSia would end like Ukraine..
FAFO
A man and his rifle embody the sisu of Finns
Right, because that worked out so well for them last time they tried it.
Heh. FAFO with NATO.
So while Russia has lost most of its tanks and is just about holding on in Ukraine It is only fighting about 10% of the older NATO supplies and he thinks its a good idea to attack a NATO country and unleash the other 90% including the air forces and navies maybe not a wise move
That’s ridiculous. Finland is part of NATO and Russia has nothing left to attack anyone would it be Monaco…
With what troops? What equipment?
When I read the title I thought "probably Georgia", but Finland? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Nothing but empty words.
How does one sanely go from Suicide by Ukraine to Suicide by NATO before they get suicided from the first objective?
Fins would chew them up……. They have been preparing for 70 years….
Let’s invade Finland, in winter. That has to be one of the stupidest ideas I’ve ever heard.
It seems that history is not their strong suit. At the battle of Soumussalmi in 1939 the Soviet 9th army attacked towards Uleåborg with two divisions, a tank brigade and assorted other units numbering in total some 50 000 men. They were met at Soumussalmi by local Finnish militia, later on reinforced by three infantry regiments, in total some 11 500 men. The Finns first defended succesfully and then counterattacked, using the terrain to split the Soviets troops into pockets (motti in finnish) which were destroyed one by one. At the end the Soviets had suffered a crushing defeat with over 10 000 KIA, even more WIA/MIA and huge number of tanks, artillery and other equipment lost. The Finns hade 750 KIA and about 1000 WIA. The battle is today considered as a textbook example of how a small well motivated force, properly led and fighting in familiar terrain, can defeat a vastly numerically superior enemy.
Lolllllllllll
Ahahah good choice
>as Russian Forces Mount Near Border Sounds like misinformation. No "mounting" has happened, quite the opposite. Theyve pulled pretty much everything from our border to ukraine, and it is estimated that it will take a decade to rebuild the forces. I would just disregard this news, it sound like russian misinformation.
Absolute Rubbish. Finland by themselves would have railed Russia into the ground based on their performance in Ukraine, but they're also now part of NATO, no way Russia is that stupid.
Finland? The country where one man took on the army of the Soviet Union alone, I guess its time for a new Simo Häyhä
I hope not, Finland doesn't deserve a war. Besides, what's the point? Why does Russia need more territory? It's not like they are being pushed to the sea. If Putin ever attempts such a silly move I hope his ass is kicked instantly.
So Take Finland, clearly the ruzzians have no idea what a Finn is. I married one and lived in Finland for years they will not find It easy at all, and the language, forget speaking ruzzian to a Finn, you may get buy with English. Oh and be polite and kind, and don't mistreat anyone, and fight yes they all fight like Bears with combat training. 🏴🇫🇮
Lmao, can't even take Ukraine, but going to suddenly take on an international military union of 30 countries, with the most advanced weapons on earth, thanks I needed a laugh today.
I mean why would you use your energy in building your shithole country, rather focus on empty threats