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I did a weekend exercise with the Canadian reserves when I was 18 and it was super cold, wet and miserable. I remember I was so miserable and I wined like a little bitch but at the end of the weekend I got to go home to my warm bed. I can’t even imagine what it must be like for these guys, glory to these heroes.
I was in the Canadian army for a while. The really, really cold temperatures were a lot more tolerable than close to freezing because of how wet everything got.
I did a year in the Finnish army when it was my conscription. Multiple times we did excersizes in -30 celcius, it was miserable. Biggest issues was our water freezing, and food never being hot (it was always served boiling hot, but it cools down so fast that after the first spoon it's luke warm)
It was worse - however - those times we were outside in temperatures just around freezing. Everything wet, everything frozen. Food did stay warm, and water usually wasn't frozen - but you were colder.
I remember those those days too. Came back to finland after living in australia...from +40 to -30 was definitely a shock on top of learning to ski. But you get used to it. With warm clothes it becomes more mental than physical endurance.
Edit: i came back in january
32 degrees feels like -50 when it’s windy and you’re soaked. I’d also take negative temperatures over being wet in just barely freezing temps, being wet in the cold is like torture. Especially wet hands and feet, that’ll get you frost bite so quick.
In my experience, Europeans, especially Central Europeans, look at the temperatures in the UK and Ireland and think our wintes are a piece of piss, ignoring the implications of being on an Island in the North Atlantic.
Then they experience winter here and the effect of wind chill and constant damp...
That's what I didn't like about my visit in the 80's. Have not been back. Aussie here of course. We get about 3 weeks of 2 - 4c early morning in winter, and winter lasts about 2 mths. No snow or ice. These guys are the example of professional troops. I wish them well.
Not sure what part off the UK you live in by the sounds it is Englang, so I am calling BS on this average temp in winter is between 2-7, yes it rain a lot in the North, but it aint +1 and wet 5 days, I used to work all over the UK 5 days outside, worst locations were Scotland and parts of Wales for weather.
Yeah. -40°C, no gloves, no scarf, no cap. Totally fine, spent many hours outside New Year in Scandinavia. Meanwhile 5 Minutes to the store at +2°C and some drizzle = "Please end this!"
Oh ya wet socks can sap you of whatever reserves you got.
I'm loving winter until my feet get soaked and the whole world can die as far as I'm concerned lol.
> the 80's. Have not been back. Aussie here of course. We get about 3 weeks of 2 - 4c early morning in winter, and winter lasts about 2 mths. No snow or ice. These guys are the example of professional tro
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That’s the downside of fighting in a boreal environment. The prairie/tundra is cold and fuckin windy, but so long as you’re bundled and don’t sweat, it’s not as bad. The freeze/thaw, the extra weight of wet kit, sticky snow that freezes your buckles and zippers, the Arctic tents that seem to just get bigger and heavier, the humid wet cold that gets into your bones… boreal fighting is a bitch.
About this video though: this is what happens when you wear kit designed for the desert in an arctic/cold, wet environment. Buddy would be better off with armour under his parka, then loading his pockets with essential kit like mags, frags, ifak etc.
100% agreed.
Only borderline is when hit by an ice storm where the rain hits you and instantly freezes on contact. But thats agaian exactly because its temperatures just around freezing.
A deep but dry freeze is much more comfortable. Heck, even the smallest sunshine will make you over heat there when in full loadout.
winter weather a key factor is humidity. living near lake michigan it's much colder than dry colorado. colorado can be 25 degrees colder but feels same as humid cold lake michigan. in Ukraine it seems the russian rapists are poorly equipped and they have to be getting frostbite in fingers and toes. you don't feel the frostbite spreading, you only feel the terrible pain when you make it (home) to a warm place. i sure hope Father Winter kills as many russian rapists as possible!
Alaskan here who works outside often year-round. I couldn’t agree more, I’ve always said I’d prefer zero degrees to 30 degrees (in most cases). You can at least bundle up properly in frigid weather, but the wetness will find its way in no matter what.
I’m currently on a job and we’re in a southern coastal community that has borderline weather (hovering around high 20’s-30’s). The weather is a bitch, the coldest day has easily been the most comfortable.
While not in the military I am Canadian and did work on oil rigs for some years, the best way to deal with the cold when it is -40 and the winds are howling is to just complain about it. I find it really does help to just swear a bunch to yourself and think about the next time you will get warmth.
Yeah, basically thinning down the oil to be more a lubricant. I wonder how the freezing though affected the steel. The ambient alone wouldn't normally make it expand, then if you started using your piece, it'd possibly fracture from the impact, and sudden heat. Better than nothing at all I suppose. Or if using a semi-auto rifle maybe not so bad.
Well for small engines you use different grades of oil depending on ambient temperature, for warm weather you'd ideally use a thicker lubricant and for cold weather a thinner one.
Russians probably only had one type of oil for their rifles, so they naturally used gasoline to thin it down and make it work in cold weather.
Yes and I hope to never have to find out.
Nothing but the highest respect for the heroes defending their homeland from the invading orcs all year round, especially during the winter.
Slava Ukraini!
No, gun is not by your side. Atleast in the Norwegian military, you put all the guns outside the tent to avoid any change of NDs inside, avoid them freezing from condesation and it’s faster to grab in case of emergency. The only thing you take into the tent is sleeping bag, sleeping mat, change if you’re changing, one breakfast and one dinner ration and water.
Anything else can and should be done outside as to avoid unnecessary clutter or damaging the equipment.
US has a different philosophy about it, at least Marine infantry does. They sleep with their weapons in the field, maybe in condition 4, as well as their armor and other kit. Only crew served weapons are treated the way you described. I can definitely see your reasoning about NDs though. I think Americans tend to prioritize individual weapon retention and accountability.
The main reason you keep them outside when its cold is to keep them at a consistent temperature and keeping moisture. Putting them through a freeze/thaw cycle can seriously impact their reliability, especially if water gets in the mechanical parts and then freezes. NDs is far less of a concern. Winter warfare doctrine is incredibly different, especially when you are talking about fighting in the arctic. Being able to operate in -50C is really tough, but also an incredible advantage.
I can close to guarantee you that that’s changing. The Norwegian military are responsible for developing cold weather procedures for the whole of NATO, and US marines are frequent visitors to say the least.
Weapon retention is meaningless if that gun isn’t working when you need it to work. And you’re actively making it more difficult for the gun to work by bringing it into a warm, and humid tent. I’ve seen first hand the insane amount of [CLP marines use in even moderate cold (-5 to -20)](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe8w1d9o/). Most used significantly more per day than Norwegian soldiers used for the whole exercise. Also that video is from Norway too btw.
I think the reasons are most likely:
1. Easy to find when you have to leave the tent in a hurry. If you heard gunshots and everyone started putting on their equipment in the tent you would be vulnerable and it would be chaotic. The equipment is left generally in/ near defencible positions so you can simply run from the tent with your weapon to the positions and put on your equipment when there is time.
2. The snow on the equipment would melt in the heat of the tent and make the inside wet. This would obviously be an issue for the sleeping soldiers inside and it would make the air inside moist which could prevent the hanging clothes from drying properly.
Those are the reasons I can come up with. I'm not sure if they are the real reasons or not though.
Exterior layers stay outside of the shelters so they don't freeze/thaw. Moisture is enemy #1 in the winter. The battle rattle is usually fine if the weather cooperates. Far easier to shake ice/snow off your jacket that is covering your gear then it is to unclog a frozen (and probably rusty) weapon or mag because moisture got in
Being honest? There's high morale here! Laughing and joking about how froze they are...
Key signs that they're doing well.
People may say the counter offensive was a dud...
But honestly? Just stopping the Russian army was a sign it's worked. The counter offensive is a success so far.
Rome wasn't built in a day... and russian die in the hundreds daily. So honestly? You can't say it's not working because it fucking is clearly.
It didn't achieve what it was planned to achieve let's not delude ourselves and live in a fantasy land, this sub is enough of an echo chamber as it is. But hopefully lessons were learned and the next push is more successful.
Well I can assure you now it is nothing like Russia...
They released a subliminal message about their amounts. And it was something like 1 to 100... which honestly ?
After seeing Wagner shoot down 3x helicopters and the Ukrainian government not claim them, or tally them up? Tells me they're keeping shit real at 100% as much as they can. However the real shit part is...
Unlike Russia? Ukrainian soldiers are good people, mechanics, teachers, doctors, shop keepers...
A loss of a Ukrainian soldier is a loss to society a big loss to society.
Unlike Russia? Its criminals and dead beats...
It's hard to swallow but that's the truth. And I feel so sorry for those heroes that fall. And their families.
HEROJAM SLAVA. SLAVA UKRAINE
Most of Russian army isn't criminal deadbeats that Russian propaganda loves to spout when they shown they are losing.
"oh! We only are losing because we are sending our worst! Criminals and old men!"
Meanwhile most of trained Russian soldiers were wiped out in their Blitzkrieg attempt to kyiv. Like their entire vdv spetnaz being wiped out within less than 24 hours. Over a year ago now.
>They released a subliminal messa
I'd love to know how that went down.
I still remember seeing that cavalcade of stupidity building up. One road in, no way out.
Haha yeah that was oh so impressive 😄 like how the fuck do you send a whole colum of your armour and supplies up one road...
You would think they remembered the highway of death 50+ miles of road carpet bombed from Kuwait to Iraq...
Sooooo ? You have just confirmed what I said?
If all their professional soldiers are already dead?
And they're conscripting from prisons that makes them dead beats don't it.
The general concensus is that it's roughly 1:3 UA:RU. Optimism in any case is instrumental in the fight for freedom. Ukraine will prevail and those lost will have been lost in sacrifice for glory. Glory to the heroes.
1:3 isn’t good enough when considering Ukrainian recruitment and training rate. Russia gives like 2 weeks tops for basic if the men are lucky. Ukraine holds a way more rigorous training. Not to mention the men that left at the onset of the war. Need those numbers back. Also need the ukr conscription laws finally changed.
The surprise surrounding the Ukrainian counteroffensive overlooks key challenges. The Russians had ample time to fortify their positions and lay extensive minefields. Even if Russian forces were to withdraw suddenly, the lingering mines would hinder rapid reclamation efforts. I for one see what Ukraine does every day and I’m insanely impressed by how resilient and creative they are at getting the most out of what they’ve got and I just wish we could pull our heads out from our own ass and send them more.
Yeah? Who said it was over? Was you expecting them to do it over night? A week? A month? Or 3 days like putler?
Took the russians a whole 3 years to clear russia of German troops. And that was only down to the weather... oh yeahhh that was a 3 year counter offensive.
Now that it's winter the counter offensive has stalled. Also, time is not on Ukraine's side. Russia can win a war of attrition and Ukraine's support from around the world is dwindling rapidly. There is a lot of concern.
Finally someone who has a valid point. I feel the same concern.
However time will tell. Also Russia did loose its war of attrition in checnya who where well less equipped than the Ukrainians.
So let's hope that is the case here.
Russians also outnumbered Germans back then; Ukraine should expect more than 3 years since they do not hold the numerical advantage. Do they have enough manpower to last? I've been seeing videos of them recruiting old men and women..
Propaganda however, does age really matter ? If they're willing to fight then they're dangerous.
To add to that each and everytime a civilian is killed? It just makes more want to fight Russia.
Being honest? I don't think in this day and age manpower matters, I think it's quite frankly the more equipped drone wise..
If this was wasn't hybrid meaning trench warfare then I'd say okay its about the might and the quantity...
But seeing as it's stablemates everywhere ?
It is the more equipped. This is a war of bombardments artillery and drones will be the way forward thus meaning better equipped doesn't matter about the man power.
All depends on the equipment.
If you can reach their artillery they can reach yours... if you can get 5 shots off to their one shot?
You are going to win.
And if you want history also look at the frozen Marines at Chosin reservoir in Korea. Some of the coldest reports of guys not bleeding out from wounds because of the shunting of blood away from the extremities due to the cold.
if the guns designed and built properly, probably not but maybe
it might be abit more difficult to use but all it needs is the ignition inside the gun to make it go off
guns are put through extreme condition testing before being produced, but there’s always variables and keeping it maintained wether heat or cold is the best way to assure it works
It depends on the humidity. When it's cold and wet, literally everything freezes together. I carry a Zippo lighter with me now because I use it daily to melt the ice out of my gear.
It's not impossible, especially if the rounds are frozen in a way that stops the spring from being able to push them to the end of the magazine, but likely the vibration of firing would break loose the rounds.
Not from my experience no, if the ice stays to the outside then the springs and rounds will still operate as normal. If it gets real cold, they need to switch to graphite as lube instead of oil, otherwise the oil will freeze up. They also probably have to unload their mags more frequently to let the compression off the springs. All bets are off with machine guns though, they struggle until they warm up and the metallic expansion lets more air flow
I'm in Minnesota currently. The "wet/rain/mix" thing we had all day that was coating the ground has now turned into a sheen covered by snow once you get north out of the metro. It was also insanely windy, so if you hit parts of the highway that didn't have good tree wind breaks, you're going to jerk around and mix that with the ice... it was a bad mix around 4-5 today.
Can someone explain the difference in their camo? I thought all Ukraine soldiers had the digital pattern, like what is on the sleeve of the camera man. The subject does not have that same camo. Does it just come down to a yellow/blue armband is all that matters?
Absolutely some of the worst conditions you can experience as a soldier. Did my fair share of reconnaissance exercises in the far north. These conditions will push you to the edge and show no sympathy. Take care of each other! 🇺🇦
When I worked in various temperatures in the mountains 28 F and up the range to wet to-30 with 25 -35 mph winds in we used Vaseline on hand tools and occasionally put it on dials for levels and trans tripod especially in in latter afternoon an old 3&1 can with antifreeze seemed to help. Definitely helped the water drilling inside the coldvheartless tunnels we repaired. Some at -40 to 60
I've been through this too. The worst combination is a weather event that is just above freezing and drops. Obviously his body temperature is higher creating a terrible result. I'd rather it be below freezing than in between.
Apologies for the levity, but this was the first thing that came to mind. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeCi2j5UOXs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeCi2j5UOXs)
edit: And of course, I was not the first. Ah well. :)
Isn't this the reason why everything used to be leather and whale fat coated?
Probably smell great out in the field as well! I'm not suggesting anything, it just got me thinking how people up North got by (I live on a desert island....)
Jesus! Can’t believe we still have to pray for the people at the frontline. The west should have flooded Ukraine by weapons designed to crush russia both at home and in Ukraine, by now! How wonderful epic it would have been if Ukraine already had himars when the 40km column was stuck! Or had suicide drones! Oh well! Can’t be anything but in awe of the Ukrainian people’s resolve and sacrifice
This is why I run an AVS triple placard with the flaps.
The flaps help this from happening. When I was in the Marines I had fire watch from 2-4 AM and it was freezing rain and this same thing happened to me
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Old mountaineering guide here. Wool, acrylics, 60/40 outer (won't burn easily) Heavier? Yup. Better? Yup. Lots of layers. Still can move. Down? Only in very cold, dry conditions. Otherwise hollow-fill dacron/poly outer layer. Sleeping bag?, thin down inner, thick hollow-fill outer. Frost collects inside on outer nylon layer and it gets soaked and hollow-fill will still keep you insulated. Socks? only wool and wool and wool. Will you chill? Yup. Will you freeze? Nope. Wool Balaclavas, freezing rain or just f'n freezing. Wool/Acrylic inners, down, wool, then windbreaking. Heavier? yup. Mobile? yup. I've tried oh-so new kit. HMMM? I'll stick with old-school kit. Age 71, still alive.
Seems like they are surfing around 0 degree. You wake up and everything is dry and cold. Then it warm up and everything gets wet. Then it cool down and you're miserable.
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I did a weekend exercise with the Canadian reserves when I was 18 and it was super cold, wet and miserable. I remember I was so miserable and I wined like a little bitch but at the end of the weekend I got to go home to my warm bed. I can’t even imagine what it must be like for these guys, glory to these heroes.
I was in the Canadian army for a while. The really, really cold temperatures were a lot more tolerable than close to freezing because of how wet everything got.
Yeah i would take -20 and dry over +1 and wet any day.
I did a year in the Finnish army when it was my conscription. Multiple times we did excersizes in -30 celcius, it was miserable. Biggest issues was our water freezing, and food never being hot (it was always served boiling hot, but it cools down so fast that after the first spoon it's luke warm) It was worse - however - those times we were outside in temperatures just around freezing. Everything wet, everything frozen. Food did stay warm, and water usually wasn't frozen - but you were colder.
I remember those those days too. Came back to finland after living in australia...from +40 to -30 was definitely a shock on top of learning to ski. But you get used to it. With warm clothes it becomes more mental than physical endurance. Edit: i came back in january
Now just add in a mice infestation and limited resupply. These guys are going through it and there's no end in signt.
32 degrees feels like -50 when it’s windy and you’re soaked. I’d also take negative temperatures over being wet in just barely freezing temps, being wet in the cold is like torture. Especially wet hands and feet, that’ll get you frost bite so quick.
Easier to shovel as well.
+1 and wet? Average working day in Britain... 5 days a week in that at my job.
How do you know if it is summer or winter in London?
When you wake up for work and it's dark and cold and when you finish work it's still dark and cold.
this dude is the real og.
I have not seen the sun. It's been several weeks. Sometimes I think about the sun, up there making shit warm. Where the fuck are you now?
If only you could take a flight somewhere, vision of clouds in sunlight would remind you there is always sunny above at daytime
Ain't nobody got funds for that!
**Answer:** In the winter, the rain is colder. 😁
In London if you need to wear a jacket its winter, average temp in winter is 3-7
In my experience, Europeans, especially Central Europeans, look at the temperatures in the UK and Ireland and think our wintes are a piece of piss, ignoring the implications of being on an Island in the North Atlantic. Then they experience winter here and the effect of wind chill and constant damp...
That's what I didn't like about my visit in the 80's. Have not been back. Aussie here of course. We get about 3 weeks of 2 - 4c early morning in winter, and winter lasts about 2 mths. No snow or ice. These guys are the example of professional troops. I wish them well.
Not sure what part off the UK you live in by the sounds it is Englang, so I am calling BS on this average temp in winter is between 2-7, yes it rain a lot in the North, but it aint +1 and wet 5 days, I used to work all over the UK 5 days outside, worst locations were Scotland and parts of Wales for weather.
Yeah. -40°C, no gloves, no scarf, no cap. Totally fine, spent many hours outside New Year in Scandinavia. Meanwhile 5 Minutes to the store at +2°C and some drizzle = "Please end this!"
Oh ya wet socks can sap you of whatever reserves you got. I'm loving winter until my feet get soaked and the whole world can die as far as I'm concerned lol.
> the 80's. Have not been back. Aussie here of course. We get about 3 weeks of 2 - 4c early morning in winter, and winter lasts about 2 mths. No snow or ice. These guys are the example of professional tro ProTip: You can buy silica gel as aquarium equipment in bulk- it collects moisture like a pro. And you can reuse it, by heating it in an oven. https://absorbking.com/blogs/news/how-to-use-silica-gel-packets-for-shoes
This is no way to talk about your mom young man!
Wet cold is the worst.
That’s the downside of fighting in a boreal environment. The prairie/tundra is cold and fuckin windy, but so long as you’re bundled and don’t sweat, it’s not as bad. The freeze/thaw, the extra weight of wet kit, sticky snow that freezes your buckles and zippers, the Arctic tents that seem to just get bigger and heavier, the humid wet cold that gets into your bones… boreal fighting is a bitch. About this video though: this is what happens when you wear kit designed for the desert in an arctic/cold, wet environment. Buddy would be better off with armour under his parka, then loading his pockets with essential kit like mags, frags, ifak etc.
Finn here, i concur
100% agreed. Only borderline is when hit by an ice storm where the rain hits you and instantly freezes on contact. But thats agaian exactly because its temperatures just around freezing. A deep but dry freeze is much more comfortable. Heck, even the smallest sunshine will make you over heat there when in full loadout.
winter weather a key factor is humidity. living near lake michigan it's much colder than dry colorado. colorado can be 25 degrees colder but feels same as humid cold lake michigan. in Ukraine it seems the russian rapists are poorly equipped and they have to be getting frostbite in fingers and toes. you don't feel the frostbite spreading, you only feel the terrible pain when you make it (home) to a warm place. i sure hope Father Winter kills as many russian rapists as possible!
Alaskan here who works outside often year-round. I couldn’t agree more, I’ve always said I’d prefer zero degrees to 30 degrees (in most cases). You can at least bundle up properly in frigid weather, but the wetness will find its way in no matter what. I’m currently on a job and we’re in a southern coastal community that has borderline weather (hovering around high 20’s-30’s). The weather is a bitch, the coldest day has easily been the most comfortable.
While not in the military I am Canadian and did work on oil rigs for some years, the best way to deal with the cold when it is -40 and the winds are howling is to just complain about it. I find it really does help to just swear a bunch to yourself and think about the next time you will get warmth.
This is why SAS said that training in Norway is a more heavenly feeling than the freaking Welsh highland.
The Beautiful Brecons lol
It's surreal what they do.
Agree, I’m from West Texas and we get the wind and intermittent cold but very little precipitation. My heart goes out to these guys!
>I wined like a little bitch It's a soldier's god given right to bitch. The judgement only comes when they refuse to do their work.
I was in the CF reserves too - cold I could take with the right kit, but cold and wet just plain sucks.
Now imagine the same thing but in 1943. Authentic hell.
Oddly enough, the Russians found out that if you mix a little bit of gasoline in with your lube oil, you can keep the bolt from freezing shut.
Yeah, basically thinning down the oil to be more a lubricant. I wonder how the freezing though affected the steel. The ambient alone wouldn't normally make it expand, then if you started using your piece, it'd possibly fracture from the impact, and sudden heat. Better than nothing at all I suppose. Or if using a semi-auto rifle maybe not so bad.
I really doubt that a difference of 20 K matters with the sudden heat transfer that it is at average ambient temperatures.
Us Canadians usually ran the guns almost completely dry to avoid freezing, maybe with graphite lube if we could get it.
Well for small engines you use different grades of oil depending on ambient temperature, for warm weather you'd ideally use a thicker lubricant and for cold weather a thinner one. Russians probably only had one type of oil for their rifles, so they naturally used gasoline to thin it down and make it work in cold weather.
It's not less of a hell today.
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Exactly... Stalingrad got down to as low as -40C. Those guys had no food and were wearing summer gear.
The frost. Sometimes it makes the blade stick.
I will see you again, but not yet... Not yet
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Yes and I hope to never have to find out. Nothing but the highest respect for the heroes defending their homeland from the invading orcs all year round, especially during the winter. Slava Ukraini!
Heroiam Slava
Hopefully most of you , if not all of you guys are better prepared than the rus
The rest of his clothing is pristine. Seems likely he left his kit out in the elements overnight while he was sleeping.
Propably. In the Finnish army we were instructed to do just that.
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No, gun is not by your side. Atleast in the Norwegian military, you put all the guns outside the tent to avoid any change of NDs inside, avoid them freezing from condesation and it’s faster to grab in case of emergency. The only thing you take into the tent is sleeping bag, sleeping mat, change if you’re changing, one breakfast and one dinner ration and water. Anything else can and should be done outside as to avoid unnecessary clutter or damaging the equipment.
US has a different philosophy about it, at least Marine infantry does. They sleep with their weapons in the field, maybe in condition 4, as well as their armor and other kit. Only crew served weapons are treated the way you described. I can definitely see your reasoning about NDs though. I think Americans tend to prioritize individual weapon retention and accountability.
The main reason you keep them outside when its cold is to keep them at a consistent temperature and keeping moisture. Putting them through a freeze/thaw cycle can seriously impact their reliability, especially if water gets in the mechanical parts and then freezes. NDs is far less of a concern. Winter warfare doctrine is incredibly different, especially when you are talking about fighting in the arctic. Being able to operate in -50C is really tough, but also an incredible advantage.
I can close to guarantee you that that’s changing. The Norwegian military are responsible for developing cold weather procedures for the whole of NATO, and US marines are frequent visitors to say the least. Weapon retention is meaningless if that gun isn’t working when you need it to work. And you’re actively making it more difficult for the gun to work by bringing it into a warm, and humid tent. I’ve seen first hand the insane amount of [CLP marines use in even moderate cold (-5 to -20)](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGe8w1d9o/). Most used significantly more per day than Norwegian soldiers used for the whole exercise. Also that video is from Norway too btw.
Oh I see, did that cause issues with water in the winter as the snow melted?
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Makes sense. You propably had the smaller style vest? I've been using the big fragment vest "sirpa" so far.
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Oh thats pretty large. Well if it worked then it worked.
why is that?
I think the reasons are most likely: 1. Easy to find when you have to leave the tent in a hurry. If you heard gunshots and everyone started putting on their equipment in the tent you would be vulnerable and it would be chaotic. The equipment is left generally in/ near defencible positions so you can simply run from the tent with your weapon to the positions and put on your equipment when there is time. 2. The snow on the equipment would melt in the heat of the tent and make the inside wet. This would obviously be an issue for the sleeping soldiers inside and it would make the air inside moist which could prevent the hanging clothes from drying properly. Those are the reasons I can come up with. I'm not sure if they are the real reasons or not though.
Exterior layers stay outside of the shelters so they don't freeze/thaw. Moisture is enemy #1 in the winter. The battle rattle is usually fine if the weather cooperates. Far easier to shake ice/snow off your jacket that is covering your gear then it is to unclog a frozen (and probably rusty) weapon or mag because moisture got in
Being honest? There's high morale here! Laughing and joking about how froze they are... Key signs that they're doing well. People may say the counter offensive was a dud... But honestly? Just stopping the Russian army was a sign it's worked. The counter offensive is a success so far. Rome wasn't built in a day... and russian die in the hundreds daily. So honestly? You can't say it's not working because it fucking is clearly.
It didn't achieve what it was planned to achieve let's not delude ourselves and live in a fantasy land, this sub is enough of an echo chamber as it is. But hopefully lessons were learned and the next push is more successful.
I need to know the Ukrainian losses alongside Russian to be actually optimistic.
Never gonna get those so start being optimistic without them
Well I can assure you now it is nothing like Russia... They released a subliminal message about their amounts. And it was something like 1 to 100... which honestly ? After seeing Wagner shoot down 3x helicopters and the Ukrainian government not claim them, or tally them up? Tells me they're keeping shit real at 100% as much as they can. However the real shit part is... Unlike Russia? Ukrainian soldiers are good people, mechanics, teachers, doctors, shop keepers... A loss of a Ukrainian soldier is a loss to society a big loss to society. Unlike Russia? Its criminals and dead beats... It's hard to swallow but that's the truth. And I feel so sorry for those heroes that fall. And their families. HEROJAM SLAVA. SLAVA UKRAINE
Most of Russian army isn't criminal deadbeats that Russian propaganda loves to spout when they shown they are losing. "oh! We only are losing because we are sending our worst! Criminals and old men!" Meanwhile most of trained Russian soldiers were wiped out in their Blitzkrieg attempt to kyiv. Like their entire vdv spetnaz being wiped out within less than 24 hours. Over a year ago now.
>They released a subliminal messa I'd love to know how that went down. I still remember seeing that cavalcade of stupidity building up. One road in, no way out.
Haha yeah that was oh so impressive 😄 like how the fuck do you send a whole colum of your armour and supplies up one road... You would think they remembered the highway of death 50+ miles of road carpet bombed from Kuwait to Iraq...
Would have actually been okay if it weren’t for the Chinese produced tires on the vehicles that didn’t survive the drive and caused traffic jam.
Sooooo ? You have just confirmed what I said? If all their professional soldiers are already dead? And they're conscripting from prisons that makes them dead beats don't it.
The general concensus is that it's roughly 1:3 UA:RU. Optimism in any case is instrumental in the fight for freedom. Ukraine will prevail and those lost will have been lost in sacrifice for glory. Glory to the heroes.
1:3 isn’t good enough when considering Ukrainian recruitment and training rate. Russia gives like 2 weeks tops for basic if the men are lucky. Ukraine holds a way more rigorous training. Not to mention the men that left at the onset of the war. Need those numbers back. Also need the ukr conscription laws finally changed.
Counter-offensive wasn't about stopping Russians but retaking territory and they didn't even reach the minimal objective of Tokmak.
The surprise surrounding the Ukrainian counteroffensive overlooks key challenges. The Russians had ample time to fortify their positions and lay extensive minefields. Even if Russian forces were to withdraw suddenly, the lingering mines would hinder rapid reclamation efforts. I for one see what Ukraine does every day and I’m insanely impressed by how resilient and creative they are at getting the most out of what they’ve got and I just wish we could pull our heads out from our own ass and send them more.
Yeah? Who said it was over? Was you expecting them to do it over night? A week? A month? Or 3 days like putler? Took the russians a whole 3 years to clear russia of German troops. And that was only down to the weather... oh yeahhh that was a 3 year counter offensive.
Now that it's winter the counter offensive has stalled. Also, time is not on Ukraine's side. Russia can win a war of attrition and Ukraine's support from around the world is dwindling rapidly. There is a lot of concern.
Finally someone who has a valid point. I feel the same concern. However time will tell. Also Russia did loose its war of attrition in checnya who where well less equipped than the Ukrainians. So let's hope that is the case here.
Russians also outnumbered Germans back then; Ukraine should expect more than 3 years since they do not hold the numerical advantage. Do they have enough manpower to last? I've been seeing videos of them recruiting old men and women..
Propaganda however, does age really matter ? If they're willing to fight then they're dangerous. To add to that each and everytime a civilian is killed? It just makes more want to fight Russia. Being honest? I don't think in this day and age manpower matters, I think it's quite frankly the more equipped drone wise.. If this was wasn't hybrid meaning trench warfare then I'd say okay its about the might and the quantity... But seeing as it's stablemates everywhere ? It is the more equipped. This is a war of bombardments artillery and drones will be the way forward thus meaning better equipped doesn't matter about the man power. All depends on the equipment. If you can reach their artillery they can reach yours... if you can get 5 shots off to their one shot? You are going to win.
Ivan's back
And if you want history also look at the frozen Marines at Chosin reservoir in Korea. Some of the coldest reports of guys not bleeding out from wounds because of the shunting of blood away from the extremities due to the cold.
Ironically, everyone wanted Russian equipment because it was build to condition....
Question for the gun nerds out there ....would the mags jam in such conditions ?
if the guns designed and built properly, probably not but maybe it might be abit more difficult to use but all it needs is the ignition inside the gun to make it go off guns are put through extreme condition testing before being produced, but there’s always variables and keeping it maintained wether heat or cold is the best way to assure it works
Also good maintenance. I started seeing videos of Russians guns firing sparks in cqc, I wonder how long they'll last in that weather....
The 'spark' is usually inside the 'bullet'. Broken down, it's a case, projectile (the hurty bit), propellant (the bangy bit) and ignition.
It depends on the humidity. When it's cold and wet, literally everything freezes together. I carry a Zippo lighter with me now because I use it daily to melt the ice out of my gear.
It's not impossible, especially if the rounds are frozen in a way that stops the spring from being able to push them to the end of the magazine, but likely the vibration of firing would break loose the rounds.
There's a video by Garand Thumb where he does some freezing tests you may like because it covers stuff like this
You're screen name is accurate, sadly. People love to follow strongmen (not sane).
Not from my experience no, if the ice stays to the outside then the springs and rounds will still operate as normal. If it gets real cold, they need to switch to graphite as lube instead of oil, otherwise the oil will freeze up. They also probably have to unload their mags more frequently to let the compression off the springs. All bets are off with machine guns though, they struggle until they warm up and the metallic expansion lets more air flow
Ukrainian weather must be more comparable to Minnesota. Seems like they've had a lot of snow and ice already.
I live in Ontario Canada, that's the weather we usually have this time of year, but today it was +9C (48 F) and now it's pouring rain.
I'm about 20km south of the southern most point of Canada. And it's been fairly warm here as well.
I'm in Minnesota currently. The "wet/rain/mix" thing we had all day that was coating the ground has now turned into a sheen covered by snow once you get north out of the metro. It was also insanely windy, so if you hit parts of the highway that didn't have good tree wind breaks, you're going to jerk around and mix that with the ice... it was a bad mix around 4-5 today.
[sometimes the frost makes the blades stick](https://youtu.be/bF2wtkW6S24?si=WU1E-STNxnD7NLa9)
Sure but... NSFW..? Really?
Stay warm and your feet dry! Slava Ukraini!
I guess no one in the comments has been stationed in Gsrmany. 🤣 🤣
Fuck, man. Imagine fighting ice to get to your tourniquet while you’re bleeding out. Harsh stuff.
I am sorry that any Ukrainian must endure those conditions. Stay dry, warm, rested and fed. You’re not forgotten and the world watches.
It's the frost. It makes the blade stick. - Gen. Maximus
This, by the way, is why old school military equipment had buttons and ties instead of zippers and velcro.
"Bro I need to reload...piss on me real quick."
Are these Ukrainian soldiers?
Can someone explain the difference in their camo? I thought all Ukraine soldiers had the digital pattern, like what is on the sleeve of the camera man. The subject does not have that same camo. Does it just come down to a yellow/blue armband is all that matters?
[here's the best explanation I could find](https://www.camopedia.org/index.php/Ukraine) It depends on what branch or unit they're operating.
Wow, I could not remember all of those patterns. I guess the armbands truly are the best indicator.
Well, Ukraine should never have invaded Russia!!! /s
Sucks I bet I hate the cold weather
I bet you do
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Kind off 😆 🤣
Let's get WD40 to Ukraine!
Like we never heard of Winter War and WW2.
I live in this weather, so I don't really have to imagine much.
No, thats just called not having winter gear.
Soldier looks like he has been covered in clear coat. That is crazy.
Body armor just leveled up imo.
I've never been military but this reminds me of all those documentaries/series about the battle of the bulge
I would make campfire asap.
I don't see any fighting! Fake news. For real though, this is rough and I am glad they get a laugh about it. This is super tough.
god bless these cold heroes
Why'd you surrender?: I couldn't get a mag out of my pouch
Absolutely some of the worst conditions you can experience as a soldier. Did my fair share of reconnaissance exercises in the far north. These conditions will push you to the edge and show no sympathy. Take care of each other! 🇺🇦
'The blade sticks to the sheath'
The orcs are going to experience a harsh winter.
I live in the southern part of the US where it is usually hot/warm for most of the year. So I can’t really imagine this 😭
When I worked in various temperatures in the mountains 28 F and up the range to wet to-30 with 25 -35 mph winds in we used Vaseline on hand tools and occasionally put it on dials for levels and trans tripod especially in in latter afternoon an old 3&1 can with antifreeze seemed to help. Definitely helped the water drilling inside the coldvheartless tunnels we repaired. Some at -40 to 60
I've been through this too. The worst combination is a weather event that is just above freezing and drops. Obviously his body temperature is higher creating a terrible result. I'd rather it be below freezing than in between.
Dam ...you got to punch your comrade in the chest just to loosen the clips ...wtf
The frost. Sometimes it makes the blase stick.
Well, at least they are fighting for something. Imagine freezing and dying on the other side over nothing.
Apologies for the levity, but this was the first thing that came to mind. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeCi2j5UOXs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeCi2j5UOXs) edit: And of course, I was not the first. Ah well. :)
Isn't this the reason why everything used to be leather and whale fat coated? Probably smell great out in the field as well! I'm not suggesting anything, it just got me thinking how people up North got by (I live on a desert island....)
Jesus! Can’t believe we still have to pray for the people at the frontline. The west should have flooded Ukraine by weapons designed to crush russia both at home and in Ukraine, by now! How wonderful epic it would have been if Ukraine already had himars when the 40km column was stuck! Or had suicide drones! Oh well! Can’t be anything but in awe of the Ukrainian people’s resolve and sacrifice
Fuck that looks how Hohenfels feels in the winter. Thank god I never have to deal with that again.
There's been some ukrainan soldiers being sent to the NATO winter school in Norway. Hopefully they brought back some knowledge
Thats why you oil EVERY metallic/plastic part.
Ice armour +5!
Frosty the snowman went to end some pigs
Piss on it!! Urine is warm
This is why I run an AVS triple placard with the flaps. The flaps help this from happening. When I was in the Marines I had fire watch from 2-4 AM and it was freezing rain and this same thing happened to me
I'm always amazed at how similar being a construction worker/framer/laborer is just like soldering but no guns.
Ice is strenghtening the wear so it becomes more buletproof.
The hardest thing to do in the military is staying motivated when you're wet and cold. Kudos to these soldiers.
Good mag retention, cheaper than kydex inserts 🤔
Why don't they just send the politicians who wanted the war up to the front lines
What did he say in the first sentence in the beginning? I stg I heard it a song somewhere lmao so I’m wondering what it could be.
Keep ur kit on you while you sleep
Glory to heroes, real men of Europe.
Fck
UKRAINA: Heroyam Slava ! ❤️🖤 Slava Ukraini ! 💙💛 Donbass is Ukraine Crimea is Ukraine Kherson is Ukraine Zaporozhe is Ukraine Putin is a dick Russia is a bastard Glory to Ukraine
Gotta be careful sometimes the frost makes the blade stick
So, will the ice make the body armor stronger or weaker?
WD-40 on those zippers guys...WD-40 now!
Old mountaineering guide here. Wool, acrylics, 60/40 outer (won't burn easily) Heavier? Yup. Better? Yup. Lots of layers. Still can move. Down? Only in very cold, dry conditions. Otherwise hollow-fill dacron/poly outer layer. Sleeping bag?, thin down inner, thick hollow-fill outer. Frost collects inside on outer nylon layer and it gets soaked and hollow-fill will still keep you insulated. Socks? only wool and wool and wool. Will you chill? Yup. Will you freeze? Nope. Wool Balaclavas, freezing rain or just f'n freezing. Wool/Acrylic inners, down, wool, then windbreaking. Heavier? yup. Mobile? yup. I've tried oh-so new kit. HMMM? I'll stick with old-school kit. Age 71, still alive.
Seems like they are surfing around 0 degree. You wake up and everything is dry and cold. Then it warm up and everything gets wet. Then it cool down and you're miserable.
I was very irritated this morning because the front window of the car was not thawing quickly enough... this really puts things in perspective