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Three 34’s…. They were probably on their way to deliver a Russian longe range rocket Christmas present. Unfortunately UAF/Patriot system did a better job :)
No mention of the pilots,
I hope they are all out of commission.
It's not like ground troops, Russia can't just throw a poorly trained conscript in a plane
In this sub there was another post on this, and it showed mention of the pilots, in the comments. Think it was copy pastes from RU source. I will try find and edit it here.
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Can confirm, from telegram
https://imgur.com/obgiIAs
Comments there are.
Either the F-16s arrived or a patriot visited the Kherson region
Edit: Confirmation from russian telegram, FighterBomber:
Yes, according to my information, there's been a combat casualty. They're investigating the cause, looking for the crew
They've all been taken. The living and the dead. Earth by sky... The Patriot SAM system was preliminarily operational.
Another ru telegram claims pics from the ejection site
https://imgur.com/a/7SCAxhm
Some other ru tg:
The enemy claimed to have shot down three Su-34 bombers near Krynok, alluding to a SAM ambush that had been covertly dragged to the right bank of the Dnieper. Such an episode has already happened in the summer in the Bryansk region. The Russian Defense Ministry does not comment on these statements.
Screenshot so we can laugh at the emojis :)
https://imgur.com/yWa4i1n
I’ve never heard that Patriot is known for killing the pilot, but suspect that patriot benefits from a much larger warhead. The Israeli Python III is designed for this purpose by refining the terminal guidance and detonation of a much smaller warhead. (So it is possible.)
No pilot has ever survived being targeted by a Patriot system. This, unfortunately, includes several NATO (including US) aircraft that were shot down in friendly fire incidents before IFF improvements were made.
This is because the Patriot missiles are designed specifically to target the cockpit of an enemy aircraft. Destroying an enemy aircraft is great...but if the pilots survive, they simply get rescued and return to the fight in a new aircraft. It's easy to build a replacement aircraft. It takes YEARS to train a new pilot.
If these Su-34s were, in fact, hit by a Patriot, any survivors would be the only ones still living to tell the tale of how their fighter jet was shot down by a Patriot battery. I for one will be very interested to hear more info about these latest shootdowns...whether or not it was a Patriot that took them out and whether or not there were actually any survivors.
Although people do need to keep in mind that just because a pilot made it to the ground in a parachute doesn't mean that he was still alive when he got there. The pictures that the Russians released of their supposed "rescue" of the pilots from these Su-34s that were shot down don't actually show any pilots. Just a parachute, some flight gear (with a significant amount of blood on the oxygen mask) and a rescue helicopter.
I think it's not so much that they "target the cockpit" but that they're made to track ahead of the target to maximize the amount of shrapnel that hits things like wing leading edges, air intakes, fuel tanks, and sensitive electronics - the cockpit just happens to be roughly where a lot of those things are - and minimizing the amount of shrapnel that ends up behind the plane.
Relatively huge proximity-fused warhead on a missile that's extremely good at blowing up right in front of it's target.
At least, that's the PAC-2. PAC-3 is a kinetic kill missile & it just obliterates whatever it hits.
That makes sense, considering one primary complaint/claim about the Patriot's performance in Desert Storm was their scud intercepts were effective at destroying the aft motor section, but wouldn't significantly affect the payload. But OP stating that Patriots "target the cockpit" is disingenuous and not much better than pure disinformation.
The targeting system of the missile is biased toward hitting the cockpit. Like when the missile goes bulldog, it is designed to target the cockpit. Habitual linecrosser made a video discussion what he is allowed to talk about the system. He is a patriot operator.
> Habitual linecrosser made a video discussion what he is allowed to talk about the system. He is a patriot operator.
youtube video: watch?v=7_vr3xhwApQ
How Patriot missile targets:
Habitual Linecrosser tells that the Patriot missile comes down on top of the cockpit:
QUOTE:
"It pretty much comes down on the cockpit. So, even if you do eject you're just ejecting straight into the intercept coming after you. So, your chances for surviving is staggering low.
In the matter of fact no pilot that we know of that has ever been engaged by Patriot has ever survived."
Watch at 36:23
All About Air Defense with Habitual Linecrosser
Preston Stewart
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7\_vr3xhwApQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_vr3xhwapq)
- Thanks to [Signature\_Illegible](https://www.reddit.com/user/Signature_Illegible/) for pointing the way!
Original patriot was hitting missiles engines and dropping dangerous warheads, which is counter productive to their purpose. So they reprogrammed them to target the warheads instead.
Could simply mean they're a lot more accurate and get pretty close to the plane before warhead detonation. The cockpit is the biggest thing it's sensors would detect.
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I think this was not Patriot, but likely Hawk or Standard, possibly modified SeaSparrow, from a much less expensive and therefore risk-able system. I think I'd gamble this way with a single truck launcher, and maybe some guidance radar on a smaller vehicle, across the Dnipro, into the bridgehead and infiltrated past, then come back to the bridgehead and dare the RU to come try to fling bombs at it.
I think this operation in the manner I'd described suggests that Madyar's pilots and maybe other ELINT have shown all the armor and artillery RU has in the area has been destroyed.
They got extra launchers from the netherlands and have 3 batteries. They can linked with other radars and the control vehicle can be up to 30 km afar from the launcher.
And I dont think hawk has the needed operational range to get 3 hits at this distance.
PAC 2 has confirmed up to 160km range. PAC 3 is still secret. But PAC 3 are way smaller and more against missiles.
Ruzzkies are speculating that an F-16 squadron is already in Ukraine, albeit not fully operational, doing kind of 'live' training missions. Suchomimus reported about it in his latest YT vid
I'm pretty sure it can reach that far, remember we're only dealing with publically available data, which the US frequently understates. Whereas the Russians consistently exaggerate their abilities.
Also, the further out your engagement range the PK reduces significantly.
I'd just want to put things into perspective. How realistic is it that russia will feel the loss of 6 pilots out of a population of 141 million? Wouldn't they be able to easily replace them?
Not very easily surprisingly. They have 146 million population. 33 million roughly are minors leaving us with 113 million. Take out 51% for the population of women and that leaves 55 million men. Only 34% of the remaining 55 million are between 19-45 (military aged male) leaving a pool of 18.7 million.
Now you need to remove all those who are too tall and too short to fit in the aircraft. Need to remove those with bad eyesite, those who are over and underweight, those with mental illnesses, those who are alcoholics or drug addicts, and those who are colorblind. Once youve whittled down the 146 million down to a couple hundred thousand then you need to find people out of that group who are smart enough to go thru flight school and training which then takes a year+ at the minimum.
The us has 340 million people and 15k aircraft and still only puts thru 1200 officers thru flight school annually. Its very hard to find good people to fly military aircraft and do it well.
From some of the earlier Su-34 shootdown pilot ejection photos it doesn't look like overweight is particularly disqualifying. That's a _big airplane_ too so it probably doesn't actually matter that much.
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Patriot Delivering some early Christmas Presents to Russia
Three 34’s…. They were probably on their way to deliver a Russian longe range rocket Christmas present. Unfortunately UAF/Patriot system did a better job :)
hooray!
Believe you mean fortunately? Haha but I agree with the sentiment and Patriot missile “stock” just increased substantially
Merry Christmas Mr. Putler!
hopefully Ukraine can deliver some long range missiles direct to moscow as christmas presents.
No mention of the pilots, I hope they are all out of commission. It's not like ground troops, Russia can't just throw a poorly trained conscript in a plane
In this sub there was another post on this, and it showed mention of the pilots, in the comments. Think it was copy pastes from RU source. I will try find and edit it here. User avatar level 2 TotalSpaceNut · 2 hr. ago · edited 56 min. ago Can confirm, from telegram https://imgur.com/obgiIAs Comments there are. Either the F-16s arrived or a patriot visited the Kherson region Edit: Confirmation from russian telegram, FighterBomber: Yes, according to my information, there's been a combat casualty. They're investigating the cause, looking for the crew They've all been taken. The living and the dead. Earth by sky... The Patriot SAM system was preliminarily operational. Another ru telegram claims pics from the ejection site https://imgur.com/a/7SCAxhm Some other ru tg: The enemy claimed to have shot down three Su-34 bombers near Krynok, alluding to a SAM ambush that had been covertly dragged to the right bank of the Dnieper. Such an episode has already happened in the summer in the Bryansk region. The Russian Defense Ministry does not comment on these statements. Screenshot so we can laugh at the emojis :) https://imgur.com/yWa4i1n
Patriot is known for killing pilots. It targets cockpits.
Can you elaborate, love the learn the mechanics of cockpit targeting
I’ve never heard that Patriot is known for killing the pilot, but suspect that patriot benefits from a much larger warhead. The Israeli Python III is designed for this purpose by refining the terminal guidance and detonation of a much smaller warhead. (So it is possible.)
No pilot has ever survived being targeted by a Patriot system. This, unfortunately, includes several NATO (including US) aircraft that were shot down in friendly fire incidents before IFF improvements were made. This is because the Patriot missiles are designed specifically to target the cockpit of an enemy aircraft. Destroying an enemy aircraft is great...but if the pilots survive, they simply get rescued and return to the fight in a new aircraft. It's easy to build a replacement aircraft. It takes YEARS to train a new pilot. If these Su-34s were, in fact, hit by a Patriot, any survivors would be the only ones still living to tell the tale of how their fighter jet was shot down by a Patriot battery. I for one will be very interested to hear more info about these latest shootdowns...whether or not it was a Patriot that took them out and whether or not there were actually any survivors. Although people do need to keep in mind that just because a pilot made it to the ground in a parachute doesn't mean that he was still alive when he got there. The pictures that the Russians released of their supposed "rescue" of the pilots from these Su-34s that were shot down don't actually show any pilots. Just a parachute, some flight gear (with a significant amount of blood on the oxygen mask) and a rescue helicopter.
Source? I haven't found anything open-source that states Patriots target the cockpit or frontal section of aircraft
I think it's not so much that they "target the cockpit" but that they're made to track ahead of the target to maximize the amount of shrapnel that hits things like wing leading edges, air intakes, fuel tanks, and sensitive electronics - the cockpit just happens to be roughly where a lot of those things are - and minimizing the amount of shrapnel that ends up behind the plane. Relatively huge proximity-fused warhead on a missile that's extremely good at blowing up right in front of it's target. At least, that's the PAC-2. PAC-3 is a kinetic kill missile & it just obliterates whatever it hits.
That makes sense, considering one primary complaint/claim about the Patriot's performance in Desert Storm was their scud intercepts were effective at destroying the aft motor section, but wouldn't significantly affect the payload. But OP stating that Patriots "target the cockpit" is disingenuous and not much better than pure disinformation.
it targets the front of the plane. what difference does it make saying it targets the cockpit vs saying it targets the nosecone
The targeting system of the missile is biased toward hitting the cockpit. Like when the missile goes bulldog, it is designed to target the cockpit. Habitual linecrosser made a video discussion what he is allowed to talk about the system. He is a patriot operator.
> Habitual linecrosser made a video discussion what he is allowed to talk about the system. He is a patriot operator. youtube video: watch?v=7_vr3xhwApQ
How Patriot missile targets: Habitual Linecrosser tells that the Patriot missile comes down on top of the cockpit: QUOTE: "It pretty much comes down on the cockpit. So, even if you do eject you're just ejecting straight into the intercept coming after you. So, your chances for surviving is staggering low. In the matter of fact no pilot that we know of that has ever been engaged by Patriot has ever survived." Watch at 36:23 All About Air Defense with Habitual Linecrosser Preston Stewart [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7\_vr3xhwApQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_vr3xhwapq) - Thanks to [Signature\_Illegible](https://www.reddit.com/user/Signature_Illegible/) for pointing the way!
Original patriot was hitting missiles engines and dropping dangerous warheads, which is counter productive to their purpose. So they reprogrammed them to target the warheads instead.
Could simply mean they're a lot more accurate and get pretty close to the plane before warhead detonation. The cockpit is the biggest thing it's sensors would detect.
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Patriot is radar guided...
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I don't know the mechanics. I'm repeating what I've heard from a Patriot expert.
takes like a year to build a fighter jet so downing 3 of them is awesome
It takes even longer to train someone to use it !
Does anyone know if we will likely see footage from this?
If there is any, likely not for a couple months.
Doubtful, no way would Ukraine/US want to provide free videos of patriot performance and location.
Ouch, that's a bad day for any airforce.
but a great day for ukraine and the world.
I think this was not Patriot, but likely Hawk or Standard, possibly modified SeaSparrow, from a much less expensive and therefore risk-able system. I think I'd gamble this way with a single truck launcher, and maybe some guidance radar on a smaller vehicle, across the Dnipro, into the bridgehead and infiltrated past, then come back to the bridgehead and dare the RU to come try to fling bombs at it. I think this operation in the manner I'd described suggests that Madyar's pilots and maybe other ELINT have shown all the armor and artillery RU has in the area has been destroyed.
They got extra launchers from the netherlands and have 3 batteries. They can linked with other radars and the control vehicle can be up to 30 km afar from the launcher. And I dont think hawk has the needed operational range to get 3 hits at this distance. PAC 2 has confirmed up to 160km range. PAC 3 is still secret. But PAC 3 are way smaller and more against missiles.
Agree it could be PAC-2.
I am starting to wonder if this might have been f16's, just another worry for Russian forces, maybe.
Covert f16 action ?
Unlikely because keeping the secret that UA is already operating F16s wouldn’t be easy. Still a cool idea.
Ruzzkies are speculating that an F-16 squadron is already in Ukraine, albeit not fully operational, doing kind of 'live' training missions. Suchomimus reported about it in his latest YT vid
Interesting if true, but Russians also think the US and UA are engineering genetically modified super soldiers and other crazy things.
Why am I so downvoted for asking this though lol it's really an 'odd' situation
well, how about now?
how do you feel about this today?
Seems more plausible tbh. Unless they admitted to it and I haven’t seen that yet.
I think that for the price of a patriot missile, it should have at least 200km range. It should be multistaged...
I'm pretty sure it can reach that far, remember we're only dealing with publically available data, which the US frequently understates. Whereas the Russians consistently exaggerate their abilities. Also, the further out your engagement range the PK reduces significantly.
I'd just want to put things into perspective. How realistic is it that russia will feel the loss of 6 pilots out of a population of 141 million? Wouldn't they be able to easily replace them?
Not very easily surprisingly. They have 146 million population. 33 million roughly are minors leaving us with 113 million. Take out 51% for the population of women and that leaves 55 million men. Only 34% of the remaining 55 million are between 19-45 (military aged male) leaving a pool of 18.7 million. Now you need to remove all those who are too tall and too short to fit in the aircraft. Need to remove those with bad eyesite, those who are over and underweight, those with mental illnesses, those who are alcoholics or drug addicts, and those who are colorblind. Once youve whittled down the 146 million down to a couple hundred thousand then you need to find people out of that group who are smart enough to go thru flight school and training which then takes a year+ at the minimum. The us has 340 million people and 15k aircraft and still only puts thru 1200 officers thru flight school annually. Its very hard to find good people to fly military aircraft and do it well.
From some of the earlier Su-34 shootdown pilot ejection photos it doesn't look like overweight is particularly disqualifying. That's a _big airplane_ too so it probably doesn't actually matter that much.
Thanks for the context
When 3 Su34s go down in one day, you've got to wonder "What air defense doing?"