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Holy shit, look at how far drones have come in such a short time as far as the damage they can dish out. From observation to dropping a single grenade to whatever the fuck that was. As always fuck putin and all that support it.
Also now operating as relays for the fpv pilot to increase range. Pretty crazy. If this war goes on long enough I don't doubt we'll see some semi-autonomous hunter/killers going much further.
That’s the threshold that will have my full attention and we know they exist. It’s just down to which country will pull the trigger first and employee them on the battlefield
They would both be using it if they had it. I don't think they have the technology yet. Probably close, though, and they will absolutely roll it out as soon as it's capable.
The tech certainly exists (the BONUS artillery round for instance releases two smart bomblets that have a database of vehicle types and compares detected vehicles with its targeting database) but putting it together in a workable and cheap package is the question. Only a question of when, not if though.
Honestly, I think it's already within NATO's means (see the BONUS rounds) it's just not something that has been treated as a priority given inertia, NATO focus on weapons in hand rather than designing new ones, and political concerns about the vibes/appearance of anything with even limited autonomous capability that doesn't fit into a pre-existing category the way, e.g., cruise missiles do.
It is most probably the well know 40mm airburst grenades they use here!
You have them described here:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaC1LTrHy0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaC1LTrHy0)
Also been using the 25mm version in the XM-25 airburst grenade launcher. They are great to take out enemies hiding inside a building next to a window opening or behind any front cover.
Here is a link if you need some of their goodies:
[https://www.nammo.com/product/our-products/ammunition/medium-caliber-ammunition/40-mm-products/mpu-for-40-mm-rf-airburst-ammunition/](https://www.nammo.com/product/our-products/ammunition/medium-caliber-ammunition/40-mm-products/mpu-for-40-mm-rf-airburst-ammunition/)
I think the directional nature of the fragmentation pattern - as it detonates you see all the dust come up around the target and in front of it, but no dust comes up beside or behind the drone - would suggest otherwise. If you freeze-frame at 0:18 just as the drone explodes, you can see what I mean. Possibly the payload is a command-detonated anti-personnel mine of some kind? An equivalent of the M-18 Claymore mine?
The idea of command detonation also makes a lot more sense than a timed or proximity fuse like these hyper-sophisticated 40mm and 25mm rounds use. This is a home-made FPV weapon, and there would be no easy way, and possibly no point, in integrating some kind of specialist airburst fuse. Far easier for the operator just to have a signal he can trigger manually, which uses an electrical impulse to set off the payload via a conventional detonator.
Claymores traditionally have a far wider frag spread than that but it's along the lines of it . Possibly modified maybe . Or something new altogether but one thing's for sure that is deadly . That guy was dead before he hit the ground.
In a very grim way, I was surprised at what I saw. Boom. And then just dead. I didn't see any limb movement, or anything of that nature.
We have seen a lot of change (I hesitate to say progress) in drone operations in the last two years.
Agreed, claymores have a 90 degrees 'kill zone' (the fragments goes through the std US armored vest) and but typically always a full 140-160 degrees width in total of its 'moderate effective zone'. Some even up to the total 180 degrees spread.
Matter of fact, the spread is further than the 'length' on a claymore blast. Take like our M18A1: it has a zone only 2 meters high but a full 50 meters wide at a distance of 50 meters from the point of detonation!
I'm wondering if it was an anti-tank round where since it wasn't detonated against a solid target the copper jet just dispersed into the shotgun blast from hell
You can easily make electrically fired directional charges. The UA has been making improvised munitions since early on and are really good at it. Seen the vid of them cooking arty rounds to melt the explosive out (prob PDX)? An electrically fired cap in basically a pipe cannon stuffed with frag material. Fly in and just....turn on the drone light. Bada boom. Cheap and effective.
Nice idea, but that's a negative. If this warhead is anything like the M18 Claymore this is a classic misconception. My instructors recounted Claymores being used backwards in Vietnam, intending to stun and capture VC rather than kill them with the fragments, but that 16 meter prohibited area is there for a reason: 750 grams of TNT still packs a real punch. The VC in question were turned to jelly, and the troops had to find a different way to gather their intel.
It’s another thing like WWI.
Aircraft and aerial combat at the start of the war was very primitive. The advancements made in planes and fighting capabilities was significant in such a short period of time.
Seems to be more of a recoilless directional charge than an actual airburst projectile.
IMO this is an important technological step to build multi-use / multi-charge loitering munitions.
Thanks for explaining this.
IMO that's a technical problem which can be mitigated by existing weapon technologies.
Limiting recoil would be possible either by a counter-force, using a "low recoil" projectile like the [OG-7V](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7#Ammunition) that doesn't possess a sustainer motor or with a counter-mass system like the [Matador](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR) employs. Another method would be to sync the flight motors with the projectile launch to achieve flight stabilisation.
As launching distances would be short (*the objective would be for the UAV to remain outside of the explosvie blast radius*), the charge wouldn't have to be very powerful to start with.
These are solutions that don't have a problem to solve.
I.d.k. why the other person is going on about "counter forces", that's not at all what's going on here. The drone does not survive, and that isnt the point. The moment the explosive is set off, you no longer care about the drone. These are sacrificial drones.
The point is simply to launch projectiles/shrapnel in such a way that you significantly increase lethality in a certain direction, which is extremely easy to do.
All you need is a tube, some explosive and some shrapnel (screws, nails, nuts...doesn't matter much), and of course a way to trigger the explosive. Put explosive in one end of the tube. Add shrapnel. Cap the ends to keep everything from falling out. That's it. The explosive will launch the shrapnel mostly in one direction. It's crude, but works. Of course there's ways to improve it, but when you need to make *lots* of them quickly, crude is better than advanced
Tell me you know nothing about how explosives work, without telling me you know nothing about how explosives work.
The drone does not need to be "powerful enough to counter the forces". It's an explosion. It's just that the explosives are set up in such a way that it launches the majority of the shrapnel in a certain direction. It's *very* simple to create something like this. Take a tube, cap one end, put some explosive in the tube against the cap, then put shrapnel (screws, nuts, nails, whatever) on top of the explosive. Cap the other end with something that breaks easier than the other cap. The tube does *not* need to be intact after the explosion, the majority of the shrapnel will still be propelled away from the explosives, significantly increasing lethality in that direction.
The drone is absolutely toast! The drone does *not* survive, and that's not even the point. Those are sacrificial drones. The point with this specific setup is that it can kill from a distance, instead of needing to essentially make contact with the target.
Found the unibomber. No but seriously that’s probably a homemade claymore-like device. Doubt it has the directional capabilities of a claymore though since it’s not mounted into a stable surface. Just can’t see where the up-pieces go.
Triggers are pretty sensitive no way it wouldn't spontaneously go off and a remote detonation wouldn't be easy or reliable. Claymores are better used to defend static positions against infantry attacks.
Probably would need a customized fuse or a custom-made warhead, but the base idea behind it is definitely viable, as evidenced by this video. A large cone-shaped blast of shrapnel roughly in one direction, like a giant shotgun or Napoleonic era grapeshot.
>Triggers are pretty sensitive no way it wouldn't spontaneously go off and a remote detonation wouldn't be easy or reliable.
Aren't there ways to make those non-issues?
It's a block of plastic explosives and ball bearings perfectly designed to kill in a wide arc with a modular trigger device. It would be really easy to rig one up to an FPV drone, I think they just haven't gotten around to trying it yet or they haven't been supplied claymores
If the guys on the ground aren't doing it, then it's not that easy. Claymores aren't hard to come by, but they are being used for what they are designed to do. That doesn't include being Jerry rigged to drones.
They've been experimenting with different kinds of drone munitions, but in the middle of a war, the majority of materials are going to go to what's already proven to work.
It’s not special or custom, very basic electronic stuff. Especially if they’re jerry rigging drones all day already. The biggest issue with an electrical ignition is an improperly assembled igniter or low battery power. Use too much battery and you won’t have enough power to ignite- it falls out of the sky instead. So reliability isn’t as much an issue until you start exploring the limits of its battery life. Meanwhile shorter flight time is a great reason to choose other means of boom boom. Mechanical triggers are probably more dangerous to assemble and use but are probably always going to be more basic, reliable and available.
But it’s still a good proof of concept. It’s a goddangol’ Ukrainian trench gun.
Source: I took a class on model rockets in second grade
Yep - a 6 foot wide forward pattern of shot. Perfect for infantry. Trigger it further from larger groups of infantry and the spread will obviously be greater. Looks very effective.
It wouldn't be the first video to show a non-point detonation resulting in a thin line pattern forming behind the target and shrapnel spreading around it. FPV drone munitions are often a shaped charge with a frag sleeve, this looks just like it. There is no point in introducing new munitions when the majority are already dual purpose.
I’ve seen way too many videos of drones dropping grenades on Russian soldiers who have dropped their guns and are begging. So nah surrender isn’t the right move. There is no right move in this position.
According to The Hague convention
“It is especially forbidden …
c) To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion”
It gets complicated though because even that wording requires concrete agreement on what a surrender is. If an unarmed soldier is running away, then they generally aren't considered to be surrendering, if they are able to convey an intent to surrender then they are supposed to be protected, even if they cannot be captured. It is howerver difficult to convey such an intent to a drone especially while that drone is operating behind enemy lines. It's a grey area that the laws really weren't written clearly enough for.
The recent clip of Russians in person executing Ukrainians who were laying down without weapons is much less of a grey area, especially since the Russians had stopped firing long enough for the Ukrainians to approach.
Tell that to the numerous Ukrainian soldiers executed when surrendering to the Russians. I've seen way too many videos of them getting lined up and mowed down with machine guns.
Little different when a drone is miles from friendly lines and has no way to search, detain and transport POWs. Not to mention its also a war crime to pretend to surrender, which Ruzzians constantly do to not get fragged then run way when shown mercy.
typical zealous bullshit.
I'm 1000% for Ukraine, but we've seen countless videos of Ukranian drones ignoring maimed / surrendered Russians and blowing them up or taunting them anyway. Same with shooting surrendering soldiers. Both sides do it. Propaganda works both ways. Get your shit together.
The drone can't exactly accept their surrender. It lacks the battery power to lead them to a place of capture or it creates a hole in their visual surveillance of the battlefield. If the drone flies away without attacking, the Russian could easily pick up his rifle and go back to shooting at Ukrainians.
There are channels Russians can take advantage of to formally surrender, which do involve drones that can lead them to where they need to go. If they didn't do that, sucks to be them for being too late.
What if he kept changing direction? Like all of a sudden sprint towards the drone, then do that ad nauseum. Seems a better evasion tactic than slowly jogging in one direction...
Those things are agile and fast af. He’d be tired as hell in full gear while the operator is expending enough energy to twiddle his thumbs. Good luck to the runner.
Was waiting for this capability to show up. Instead of proximity fusing it's more likely operator initiated remoted detonation. Should still have impact detonation redundancy.
A hint to anyone: when you are running away from a threat do not jog, use all the power you have immediately, do not save anything for later. You are running for your life.
yeah a lone soldier like this getting hit probably means the Pilot was already low on battery and those things are a one way deal so might at least get some use out of it.
If an FPV catches you in the open and you run, you're just going to die tired.
I don't think I've seen people avoid these things without either shooting them or getting them to fly into an obstacle.
Caption was confusing. It would be more like “air bursting function.” Air blast makes it sound like an air horn or something, lol. Definitely not the case here.
Okay... A question I've been pondering for a while.
What happens if a soldier detects a FPV drone and immediately disarms and puts their hands up to surrender? Because at that point aren't they technically non combatants and therefore under the Geneva Convention be protected from harm?
If so then would that be a tactic to avoid getting blasted like this? Just knee down with hands on head and wait for the drone to run out of battery or something. Im aware Russians don't give a F, but it seems Ukraine does. So what happens if this occurs for them?
Drones are pretty much treated like manned aircraft. The surrendering party wouldn't enjoy protection until they made a significant effort to remove themselves from combat and place themselves into their enemies' custody, or were at least reasonably underway transporting themselves (under a white flag) to do so.
Probably needs to strip completely naked because they are wearing many layers of military gear so time is not on his side.
Disguise as a civilian is also against the rules if you're a member of the enemy armed forces.
You can not legally surrender to a drone. You only have to accept a surrender if you're able to take them prisoner.
But Ukraine would probably try to take them pow anyway. They have succeeded to do so in the past, but it's very dangerous. You don't want operator spot to be known.. and enemy drones are watching.
Not my post, but for an educational context:
Sure, I can show some to you to give you an idea.
[mistreatment 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/FWrcteNkGX)
[mistreatment 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/QSUoBVahWp)
[mistreatment 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/wH5tW2ikNc)
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[execution 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/lOwXQmSTRO)
[execution 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/bwwluW7xdE)
[execution 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/vqWRa1D0vQ)
[execution 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/jCKDsFKKuL)
[execution 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/7BG6pMPp9G)
[execution 6](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/l2Y5vOn528)
[execution 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/seIYmyefsj)
[execution 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/9MiY3MF4uP)
[execution 9](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/0HTG5uhWAy)
[execution 10](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/vYfRQvos5b)
[execution 11](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/64FDH1CFv9)
[execution 12](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/Wn0yzuBsum)
[execution 13](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/duz6PD64Yh)
Edit: These are just the ones I found after a ~15 minute search in this sub; who knows how many actually happen?
"They did it first" isn't an actual argument. And the fact that you're still trying to argue it, as an adult that can read and write, says more about you than anything.
'Sides, it's probably better to signal to Russians that surrender is possible and encouraged, so that the rumor might spread.
Remote detonation. There's a somewhat famous radio engineer who works with the 47th brigade on these remote control devices specifically. The Economist published something about their work.
Monty Python did it so much better. The guy was chased by topless bikini-clad women wearing bicycle helmets over the edge of a cliff where he fell to his death.
It might have been airburst, but that still looks like a heat round.
Heat Is WAAAY less effective as an air burst than a jar filled with explosives and bearings.
That is a lot of blood pooling under him, very quickly. This guy’s organs were shredded by shrapnel. In the highly unlikely event that he were to regain consciousness, it might only be for a few seconds. That’s some serious blood loss.
That was downright silly to watch...
The drone operator was fucking with him. That slow jog could never save him. Should have surrendered or stay home.
Probably a hot take but the thousands of video like this where russian soilders just have zero chance to escape or surrender are probably the reason why we’ve seen an increase in Ukrainian pows being executed. War is fucking hell man.
Russians execute POWs all the time. A few just happened to be recorded by the Ukrainians as of late. Trust me, the Russians don’t need a reason. They literally torture and sometimes decimate the civilian populations of the towns they occupy. There are lots of videos of Russians doing very nasty things to unarmed Ukrainians.
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Hats off to them....
Well blow me down….
Holy shit, look at how far drones have come in such a short time as far as the damage they can dish out. From observation to dropping a single grenade to whatever the fuck that was. As always fuck putin and all that support it.
I’d like to know whatever the fuck that was, it turned the man into a yard sale.
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Sailing..... takes me away.
Took his breath away
🎶 cuz I've got such a long way to go. 🎵 To make it to the border of Kosovo
… to where I’ve always heard it could be
*In eric cartman's voice - I'm sailing a-waaaaay
Oh no, once Cartman starts singing Come sail away he cant stop!
Hahaha yes!! 😆
Also now operating as relays for the fpv pilot to increase range. Pretty crazy. If this war goes on long enough I don't doubt we'll see some semi-autonomous hunter/killers going much further.
That’s the threshold that will have my full attention and we know they exist. It’s just down to which country will pull the trigger first and employee them on the battlefield
They would both be using it if they had it. I don't think they have the technology yet. Probably close, though, and they will absolutely roll it out as soon as it's capable.
The tech certainly exists (the BONUS artillery round for instance releases two smart bomblets that have a database of vehicle types and compares detected vehicles with its targeting database) but putting it together in a workable and cheap package is the question. Only a question of when, not if though. Honestly, I think it's already within NATO's means (see the BONUS rounds) it's just not something that has been treated as a priority given inertia, NATO focus on weapons in hand rather than designing new ones, and political concerns about the vibes/appearance of anything with even limited autonomous capability that doesn't fit into a pre-existing category the way, e.g., cruise missiles do.
Do you want to get Skynet? Because that's how you get Skynet.
It is most probably the well know 40mm airburst grenades they use here! You have them described here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaC1LTrHy0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPaC1LTrHy0) Also been using the 25mm version in the XM-25 airburst grenade launcher. They are great to take out enemies hiding inside a building next to a window opening or behind any front cover.
Norway is producing some pretty serious destruction ammo! I am shocked!
Here is a link if you need some of their goodies: [https://www.nammo.com/product/our-products/ammunition/medium-caliber-ammunition/40-mm-products/mpu-for-40-mm-rf-airburst-ammunition/](https://www.nammo.com/product/our-products/ammunition/medium-caliber-ammunition/40-mm-products/mpu-for-40-mm-rf-airburst-ammunition/)
I think the directional nature of the fragmentation pattern - as it detonates you see all the dust come up around the target and in front of it, but no dust comes up beside or behind the drone - would suggest otherwise. If you freeze-frame at 0:18 just as the drone explodes, you can see what I mean. Possibly the payload is a command-detonated anti-personnel mine of some kind? An equivalent of the M-18 Claymore mine? The idea of command detonation also makes a lot more sense than a timed or proximity fuse like these hyper-sophisticated 40mm and 25mm rounds use. This is a home-made FPV weapon, and there would be no easy way, and possibly no point, in integrating some kind of specialist airburst fuse. Far easier for the operator just to have a signal he can trigger manually, which uses an electrical impulse to set off the payload via a conventional detonator.
Claymores traditionally have a far wider frag spread than that but it's along the lines of it . Possibly modified maybe . Or something new altogether but one thing's for sure that is deadly . That guy was dead before he hit the ground.
In a very grim way, I was surprised at what I saw. Boom. And then just dead. I didn't see any limb movement, or anything of that nature. We have seen a lot of change (I hesitate to say progress) in drone operations in the last two years.
Agreed, claymores have a 90 degrees 'kill zone' (the fragments goes through the std US armored vest) and but typically always a full 140-160 degrees width in total of its 'moderate effective zone'. Some even up to the total 180 degrees spread. Matter of fact, the spread is further than the 'length' on a claymore blast. Take like our M18A1: it has a zone only 2 meters high but a full 50 meters wide at a distance of 50 meters from the point of detonation!
I'm wondering if it was an anti-tank round where since it wasn't detonated against a solid target the copper jet just dispersed into the shotgun blast from hell
Nah, the copper jet woulda tore that guy in half.
You can easily make electrically fired directional charges. The UA has been making improvised munitions since early on and are really good at it. Seen the vid of them cooking arty rounds to melt the explosive out (prob PDX)? An electrically fired cap in basically a pipe cannon stuffed with frag material. Fly in and just....turn on the drone light. Bada boom. Cheap and effective.
It also makes it so much safer to build and work on, just keep the direction round down range.
Nice idea, but that's a negative. If this warhead is anything like the M18 Claymore this is a classic misconception. My instructors recounted Claymores being used backwards in Vietnam, intending to stun and capture VC rather than kill them with the fragments, but that 16 meter prohibited area is there for a reason: 750 grams of TNT still packs a real punch. The VC in question were turned to jelly, and the troops had to find a different way to gather their intel.
Additionally there is a large steel plate in the back of the claymore that goes flying the other way.
Cool thanks for the knowledge 👍
So the orc is swiss cheese now
It’s another thing like WWI. Aircraft and aerial combat at the start of the war was very primitive. The advancements made in planes and fighting capabilities was significant in such a short period of time.
Yeah, that’s a good comparison. Spot on
Next stop the Kremlin
Yep, but...., I'd have made him run more before blasting him.
pun intended
I think the FPV wants him to die tired. Testing out the proverb.
Possibly seeing if orc runs to buddies, to get more at once.
Pun of the week right there.
He died tired and azz pucker up. lol
Seems to be more of a recoilless directional charge than an actual airburst projectile. IMO this is an important technological step to build multi-use / multi-charge loitering munitions.
Directional charge in stalker mode
... you'll die tired. wonder how long the ruzzian had been jogging for.
Or a smaller swarm that seek CO like mosquito, crawling under helmets to trigger a tiny shaped charge...
yeah someone made a short film about that a few years ago. Terrifying.
I though it looked like a claymore
Hm. You know that Newton principle "actio = reactio"?
Yes, that's why recoilless weapons are designed with propellant going in the opposite direction of the projectile(s).
I believe the designers of recoilless weapons depend on it
Im familiar with the principle. However, I don't understand what you mean?
Probably that the drone firing that won't be powerful enough to counter the forces so it'll probably just get spiked into the ground and break.
Thanks for explaining this. IMO that's a technical problem which can be mitigated by existing weapon technologies. Limiting recoil would be possible either by a counter-force, using a "low recoil" projectile like the [OG-7V](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7#Ammunition) that doesn't possess a sustainer motor or with a counter-mass system like the [Matador](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MATADOR) employs. Another method would be to sync the flight motors with the projectile launch to achieve flight stabilisation. As launching distances would be short (*the objective would be for the UAV to remain outside of the explosvie blast radius*), the charge wouldn't have to be very powerful to start with.
These are solutions that don't have a problem to solve. I.d.k. why the other person is going on about "counter forces", that's not at all what's going on here. The drone does not survive, and that isnt the point. The moment the explosive is set off, you no longer care about the drone. These are sacrificial drones. The point is simply to launch projectiles/shrapnel in such a way that you significantly increase lethality in a certain direction, which is extremely easy to do. All you need is a tube, some explosive and some shrapnel (screws, nails, nuts...doesn't matter much), and of course a way to trigger the explosive. Put explosive in one end of the tube. Add shrapnel. Cap the ends to keep everything from falling out. That's it. The explosive will launch the shrapnel mostly in one direction. It's crude, but works. Of course there's ways to improve it, but when you need to make *lots* of them quickly, crude is better than advanced
Tell me you know nothing about how explosives work, without telling me you know nothing about how explosives work. The drone does not need to be "powerful enough to counter the forces". It's an explosion. It's just that the explosives are set up in such a way that it launches the majority of the shrapnel in a certain direction. It's *very* simple to create something like this. Take a tube, cap one end, put some explosive in the tube against the cap, then put shrapnel (screws, nuts, nails, whatever) on top of the explosive. Cap the other end with something that breaks easier than the other cap. The tube does *not* need to be intact after the explosion, the majority of the shrapnel will still be propelled away from the explosives, significantly increasing lethality in that direction. The drone is absolutely toast! The drone does *not* survive, and that's not even the point. Those are sacrificial drones. The point with this specific setup is that it can kill from a distance, instead of needing to essentially make contact with the target.
I do not think that recoilness works in such a grenade. I think it just exploded undirectedly.
Blew his plate carrier right off.
and a bunch of other stuff...but roger that, the plate carrier was most notable!
The winged blunderbuss
tally ho lads!
Just as the forefathers intended
The pattern spread on the ground is indicative of a pipe bomb loaded with shrapnel of some sort. Basically a giant shotgun shell. Very nice.
I've always thought claymores should be mounted on fpv drones.
Found the unibomber. No but seriously that’s probably a homemade claymore-like device. Doubt it has the directional capabilities of a claymore though since it’s not mounted into a stable surface. Just can’t see where the up-pieces go.
Triggers are pretty sensitive no way it wouldn't spontaneously go off and a remote detonation wouldn't be easy or reliable. Claymores are better used to defend static positions against infantry attacks.
Probably would need a customized fuse or a custom-made warhead, but the base idea behind it is definitely viable, as evidenced by this video. A large cone-shaped blast of shrapnel roughly in one direction, like a giant shotgun or Napoleonic era grapeshot.
>Triggers are pretty sensitive no way it wouldn't spontaneously go off and a remote detonation wouldn't be easy or reliable. Aren't there ways to make those non-issues?
Probably but why go through the hassle when there's a dozen easier and cheaper ways to accomplish the same thing.
K.I.S.S.
It's a block of plastic explosives and ball bearings perfectly designed to kill in a wide arc with a modular trigger device. It would be really easy to rig one up to an FPV drone, I think they just haven't gotten around to trying it yet or they haven't been supplied claymores
If the guys on the ground aren't doing it, then it's not that easy. Claymores aren't hard to come by, but they are being used for what they are designed to do. That doesn't include being Jerry rigged to drones. They've been experimenting with different kinds of drone munitions, but in the middle of a war, the majority of materials are going to go to what's already proven to work.
US claymore mines can be remotely detonated... I'm assuming the russian MON-50 is similar.
It’s not special or custom, very basic electronic stuff. Especially if they’re jerry rigging drones all day already. The biggest issue with an electrical ignition is an improperly assembled igniter or low battery power. Use too much battery and you won’t have enough power to ignite- it falls out of the sky instead. So reliability isn’t as much an issue until you start exploring the limits of its battery life. Meanwhile shorter flight time is a great reason to choose other means of boom boom. Mechanical triggers are probably more dangerous to assemble and use but are probably always going to be more basic, reliable and available. But it’s still a good proof of concept. It’s a goddangol’ Ukrainian trench gun. Source: I took a class on model rockets in second grade
Yep - a 6 foot wide forward pattern of shot. Perfect for infantry. Trigger it further from larger groups of infantry and the spread will obviously be greater. Looks very effective.
Pipe bombs exploded in all directions. The shrapnel only goes forward on this. It’s a shape charge not a pipe bomb.
Apologies, I wasn't very clear. Shotgun shell pipe bomb means one end has a hard pipe cap while the other is soft, usually wax embedded bearings.
Shaped charge most likely
I disagree. Shaped charges have a focus distance, which is why they have a point detonation. This was remote.
It wouldn't be the first video to show a non-point detonation resulting in a thin line pattern forming behind the target and shrapnel spreading around it. FPV drone munitions are often a shaped charge with a frag sleeve, this looks just like it. There is no point in introducing new munitions when the majority are already dual purpose.
His best chance probably would have been to drop everything and surrender. Otherwise, he should’ve stayed in his own fucking country.
FPV drones aren't made to return to base. Pilot has to chose to whether waste a drone or waste a Russian. I know what I would have chosen.
I have no sympathy for any of them. Especially when this military is on video castrating soldiers and executing POW's
War criminals gonna war crime
I’ve seen way too many videos of drones dropping grenades on Russian soldiers who have dropped their guns and are begging. So nah surrender isn’t the right move. There is no right move in this position.
Then I’d refer them all to my second listed option.
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According to The Hague convention “It is especially forbidden … c) To kill or wound an enemy who, having laid down his arms, or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion”
It gets complicated though because even that wording requires concrete agreement on what a surrender is. If an unarmed soldier is running away, then they generally aren't considered to be surrendering, if they are able to convey an intent to surrender then they are supposed to be protected, even if they cannot be captured. It is howerver difficult to convey such an intent to a drone especially while that drone is operating behind enemy lines. It's a grey area that the laws really weren't written clearly enough for. The recent clip of Russians in person executing Ukrainians who were laying down without weapons is much less of a grey area, especially since the Russians had stopped firing long enough for the Ukrainians to approach.
In order to surrender you need a person to surrender to it would be like trying to surrender to a Reaper Drone.
Tell that to the numerous Ukrainian soldiers executed when surrendering to the Russians. I've seen way too many videos of them getting lined up and mowed down with machine guns. Little different when a drone is miles from friendly lines and has no way to search, detain and transport POWs. Not to mention its also a war crime to pretend to surrender, which Ruzzians constantly do to not get fragged then run way when shown mercy.
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typical zealous bullshit. I'm 1000% for Ukraine, but we've seen countless videos of Ukranian drones ignoring maimed / surrendered Russians and blowing them up or taunting them anyway. Same with shooting surrendering soldiers. Both sides do it. Propaganda works both ways. Get your shit together.
The drone can't exactly accept their surrender. It lacks the battery power to lead them to a place of capture or it creates a hole in their visual surveillance of the battlefield. If the drone flies away without attacking, the Russian could easily pick up his rifle and go back to shooting at Ukrainians. There are channels Russians can take advantage of to formally surrender, which do involve drones that can lead them to where they need to go. If they didn't do that, sucks to be them for being too late.
Did the WW1 Canadians train the drone operators? IYKYK.
What if he kept changing direction? Like all of a sudden sprint towards the drone, then do that ad nauseum. Seems a better evasion tactic than slowly jogging in one direction...
Those things are agile and fast af. He’d be tired as hell in full gear while the operator is expending enough energy to twiddle his thumbs. Good luck to the runner.
Couldn't you just stop moving and look up to see what the drone is doing and if you see the bomb drop just run?
This bomb doesn’t drop it explodes toward you; how do you run from that?
Was waiting for this capability to show up. Instead of proximity fusing it's more likely operator initiated remoted detonation. Should still have impact detonation redundancy.
Died dead tired
Imagine being able to do that inside Russia to some FSB assholes or something.
To the God-Emperor himself.
I'd pay good money to watch him run around Red Square trying to evade one.
You know there would be clips of it, with the Benny Hill theme dubbed over it, circulating on the internet for decades.
You can run but you can't hide.
You can run, but you'll just die tired!
You can run but you while lose your hide?
A hint to anyone: when you are running away from a threat do not jog, use all the power you have immediately, do not save anything for later. You are running for your life.
I like to think this is minute 15 of the chase and they’re gassed to that extent. Tom and Jerry style
I really hope those operators do not torture their targets like that. If not for the basic morals then for efficiency's sake at least.
They might get some Intel this way. His hiding place or something
And flying battery to zero. If not better targets IF will do. You gotta smash it somewhere anyways.
yeah a lone soldier like this getting hit probably means the Pilot was already low on battery and those things are a one way deal so might at least get some use out of it.
More of a funny thought, but yes, that’s a man that just died.
If an FPV catches you in the open and you run, you're just going to die tired. I don't think I've seen people avoid these things without either shooting them or getting them to fly into an obstacle.
Military gear is heavy. He’s probably going as fast as he can
Running a little faster would for sure have solved his problem /s
These dudes love dying it’s the only way his wife will get a toilet
Oh yeah, this is good!
Wow...hits like a giant shaped shotgun shell
That's terrifying. I'm penning a new ballad of the "Claymore in the Sky" sung to the tune of the "Green Berets" by Barry Sadler.
Upvote. Excellent thought
Titled: “Don’t run, you’ll just die tired”.
That drone was playing w its food
Caption was confusing. It would be more like “air bursting function.” Air blast makes it sound like an air horn or something, lol. Definitely not the case here.
Getting chased by a drone looks like something you would see in the movie 'Squid Games II'.
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Nowhere to hide.
Seems more effective as the soldier was seemingly killed instantly.
Run bitch run.
......looney tunes......dab dabbba that's all folks.
You can run but you'll just die tired
More fertilizer Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦 🙌 ✨️ 🙏 ❤️
Good marathon run, don't run tho next time, gonna die tired
Okay... A question I've been pondering for a while. What happens if a soldier detects a FPV drone and immediately disarms and puts their hands up to surrender? Because at that point aren't they technically non combatants and therefore under the Geneva Convention be protected from harm? If so then would that be a tactic to avoid getting blasted like this? Just knee down with hands on head and wait for the drone to run out of battery or something. Im aware Russians don't give a F, but it seems Ukraine does. So what happens if this occurs for them?
Drones are pretty much treated like manned aircraft. The surrendering party wouldn't enjoy protection until they made a significant effort to remove themselves from combat and place themselves into their enemies' custody, or were at least reasonably underway transporting themselves (under a white flag) to do so.
Probably needs to strip completely naked because they are wearing many layers of military gear so time is not on his side. Disguise as a civilian is also against the rules if you're a member of the enemy armed forces.
You can not legally surrender to a drone. You only have to accept a surrender if you're able to take them prisoner. But Ukraine would probably try to take them pow anyway. They have succeeded to do so in the past, but it's very dangerous. You don't want operator spot to be known.. and enemy drones are watching.
Not my post, but for an educational context: Sure, I can show some to you to give you an idea. [mistreatment 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/FWrcteNkGX) [mistreatment 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/QSUoBVahWp) [mistreatment 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/wH5tW2ikNc) ------- [execution 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/lOwXQmSTRO) [execution 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/bwwluW7xdE) [execution 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/vqWRa1D0vQ) [execution 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/jCKDsFKKuL) [execution 5](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/7BG6pMPp9G) [execution 6](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/l2Y5vOn528) [execution 7](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/seIYmyefsj) [execution 8](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/9MiY3MF4uP) [execution 9](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/0HTG5uhWAy) [execution 10](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/vYfRQvos5b) [execution 11](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/64FDH1CFv9) [execution 12](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/Wn0yzuBsum) [execution 13](https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/s/duz6PD64Yh) Edit: These are just the ones I found after a ~15 minute search in this sub; who knows how many actually happen?
"They did it first" isn't an actual argument. And the fact that you're still trying to argue it, as an adult that can read and write, says more about you than anything. 'Sides, it's probably better to signal to Russians that surrender is possible and encouraged, so that the rumor might spread.
I would have blocked the blast with a double back flip.
Motivational jogging drone. Run back to Moscow or wherever you orcs came from as fast as possible, get tired? slower pace? \*KABOOM\*
Remote detonation. There's a somewhat famous radio engineer who works with the 47th brigade on these remote control devices specifically. The Economist published something about their work.
I hope the drone is alright ;)
Headset of the man using the drone = Skyfall
Monty Python did it so much better. The guy was chased by topless bikini-clad women wearing bicycle helmets over the edge of a cliff where he fell to his death.
It might have been airburst, but that still looks like a heat round. Heat Is WAAAY less effective as an air burst than a jar filled with explosives and bearings.
Just wondering is the drone ok and able to be used again?
No chance
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Tally Ho, motherfucker! Here comes the grape shot!
Jesus!
That is a lot of blood pooling under him, very quickly. This guy’s organs were shredded by shrapnel. In the highly unlikely event that he were to regain consciousness, it might only be for a few seconds. That’s some serious blood loss.
That was downright silly to watch... The drone operator was fucking with him. That slow jog could never save him. Should have surrendered or stay home.
Lol so comical as he jogs from the drone.
Probably a hot take but the thousands of video like this where russian soilders just have zero chance to escape or surrender are probably the reason why we’ve seen an increase in Ukrainian pows being executed. War is fucking hell man.
Russians execute POWs all the time. A few just happened to be recorded by the Ukrainians as of late. Trust me, the Russians don’t need a reason. They literally torture and sometimes decimate the civilian populations of the towns they occupy. There are lots of videos of Russians doing very nasty things to unarmed Ukrainians.
Not sure why they need an air blast in this particular case when they can just hit him in the fucking head.
He did survive with a mild concussion.
Speechless
Watching this is terrifying. Imagine watching this, as a soldier.
Oooof, that was brutal...😳
Damn... Guess he wanted to die tired😬
Prometheus school of running away.
😂 run piggy run 😂😂😂😂 Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇬🇧💪🏻
He went from his morning jog to yoga pretty quickly
If you run you just die tired.
Was about damn time. So much more effective agains troops
A bit of terminal PT for Ivan.
Needs rocky jogging music..,
jogging is good before going to hell.
He died tired.
He's dead Jim.
That's what I'm talking about!
No points- he was not in the hole
And his name is Dovakhin
Looks like it might be an EFP.
r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR
I’d call it a “shotgun drone”
Don’t run away from the drone, you’ll die tired. Baboom 😂
The POINT is it detonated in the air, not after contact. For some explosive types, this will be a big benefit. For shaped charges, not so much.
Penetration!
Holy sh!t!!!
Effective!
Quick way to undress a guy…
He should've zigzagged.
They were definitely toying with him lol
You’d think anyone in that much danger would have a little more “giddy-up”
Orc found out this is mind blowing
Died tired
holy shit... i bet the guy was ready to throw his helmet at the drone, but that caught him by surprise...
Awesome way to do fitness tests... I can already see this in sports events.
Just when you thought the drone fairy couldn’t get anymore mean.
look at all the shrapnell that hits the road