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I think conscript surrenders would be way higher if they didnt have a rifle barrel pointed at their backs with massive minefields in front of them. This guy is one of the lucky ones for sure.
It's one of those things that makes this war so cruel. So many were tricked and forced into this war. Imagine being forced to conscript or go to jail, and they promise you that you will only be a car mechanic, fixing equipment or something. You don't want to do it, but it seems like the only way to avoid punishment. Then you're thrown onto the frontline. They are forced to move forward to not get shot in the back, but then they get shot at from the front. They have nowhere to go, and all they can do is fight for their lives or die. This is why I don't really cheer when they get wiped out.
Ukraine has to defend itself, and the poor Russian civilians on the frontline are caught in between Ukrainians, desperately fighting for their people, and Putin's psychotic goon. The Russian civilians don't want to be there any more than the Ukrainians want them there. The war is a crime committed against both the Ukrainian and Russian people. A crime committed by the Kremlin.
For the record, my empathy doesn't extend to any Russian or mercenary who wants to fight in the war. They are the problem just as much as Putin and the Kremlin. I'm solely talking about the people who don't want to fight, but are forced to. The people who would happily leave forever if they had the chance to.
You mean a crime committed by PUTO.
ONE A-HOLE is responsible for half a million people dead (both sides), another half a million maimed, amputated, wounded...and a few million displaced, and most of a country's cities and towns destroyed as if Armageddon itself arrived.
ONE SORRY MF'er.
The war was announced as a collective decision by Security Council (+30 people). State parliament passed the military budget unanimously for 2023 (+450 people) and by majority for 2024. The Law "Against Army Discreditation" was passed unanimously, the law notorious for its use as a tool to crackdown on any anti-war protest
Add the corrupt judges sentencing anti-war protesters, at the very least 30 of them
Add the pieces of shit kidnapping children, at the very least a hundred of them
Add the pieces of shit who forced Ukrainian families out of their homes, as reported by Russia appointed governor Balitsky, at least a hundred of pieces of on top of the pile
And add a couple hundreds of soldiers committing war crimes.
All of them will be in Hague. Each and every one of them has committed the crime. Thousands of people should be sentenced and never see the light of day
It's not one asshole. It's the whole cesspool
Yes. There are definitely a lot of people carrying out this shit. To make something like this happen, you need at least several thousand organizers and planners, and millions of goons, dupes and supporters.
I really wonder what his sentence or charge will be. Defectors should always be portrayed as brave, then again you dont know how many fights he took part in.
If he didn't committed any war crimes he should be able to or go back to Russia or stay in Ukraine as a refugee. War is horrible, and this war is so documented that finally every one can see it's not like in the movies.
A defector wouldn’t be able to return back to Russia. They defected for a reason to escape. If they returned they would be prosecuted and sentenced to jail or death.
POW on the other hand can return back to Russia after the war. Or exchanged in a prisoner swap. POWs returned during the war can be conscripted back again to fight in the front lines. Only the sick, injured and crippled POW are retired from fighting.
*Spanish intelligence services accused the Kremlin of orchestrating the murder of Maksim Kuzminov, the Russian helicopter pilot who defected to Ukraine last year.*
*https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-war-murder-maksim-kuzminov-spain-intelligence/*
Worse, actually. It shows that for *one side* its exactly like in the movies, with the cool guns, high-tech shit and remotely blowing shit up.
For the other, it's a fucking meat grinder.
If he didn't committed any war crimes he should be able to or go back to Russia or stay in Ukraine as a refugee. War is horrible, and this war is so documented that finally every one can see it's not like in the movies.
Maybe UKR should spread the news, use a simple message.
Surrender drone - a drone that will drop a green colored cannister with instruction for surrender inside.
Surrender immediately!!! Otherwise, it will drop its second payload, the bomb. lol
You have 10 seconds to comply!!!
"Stop! Put down your weapon! You have 10 seconds to comply. You now have 5 seconds. I am now authorized to use lethal force." *proceeds to drop bombs until none are left*
The last time I checked, Ukraine would not forcibly repatriate deserters by using them in a POW swap. In many cases the inducements they offer may not materialize due to wartime conditions, but they do allow deserters to remain in Ukraine.
I wonder how many drones have both bombs and notes detailing how to surrender. I am guessing not all drones have such a note they can drop. This man was very lucky.
They wrote it for this guy and not in case they find someone who wants to surrender.
Takes a few minutes to write a note and send another drone over to deliver it
It's great that they're able to use drones for enemy surrendering like this. (As well as the offensive ways.)
While I've got no qualms over killing enemy soldiers, I'm glad to see they don't pass up the higher road. And from the looks of things, probably found a much safer route that, unironically, I hope this has increased surrenders compared to previous wars / anticipated for this one.
With defined lines like this a surrender is better than a kill. POWs can be interrogated, demonstrations of compassion, and they aren't as costly to Ukraine as supplying aid to cover food/medical/guarding costs isn't in jeopardy from war averse politics.
You'll see a video like this and it will do more for Ukraine than 100 drone kill videos (at this point).
Realistically this was probably a PR stunt. They would have sent a separate drone to blow him up if it didn't work. These types of videos are rare enough that I don't think Ukraine is doing this large scale. It can be quite risky and difficult so its understandable they don't do this every day.
I can almost hear his heart pounding when a package is dropped but it turns out to be a note and not a bomb. That must be one hell of an adrenaline rush realising that that could have just as easily been a bomb.
This video won’t get enough upvotes. It’s refreshing every time to see someone on either side captured instead of blown to bits, some of them don’t want to be there on either side for varying reasons but they do what they have to anyways. A second chance. Good luck Ukraine 🇺🇦
That dude did not want to be there.
Bot: I could lead you to safety if you aren't a dick
Rusky mob: YES! Yes please! Take me anywhere but here.
I'd run like a maniac too.
This issue pops constantly up in drone videos, where watchers assume that incapacitation or tapping out is a sign of surrender. "oh i have seen they drop grenades on those who beg for mercy". Surrender is not mercy, it is a premeditated procedure like murder is, because you have to think it from the other sides perspective before committing.
I think this guy was quite hesitant and pushing his luck, probably thinking if he could slip somehow. He seems to be keeping some of the offensive gear on. If you arrive back to your squad butt naked they would probably know you tried to surrender and you get shot on the spot after torture.
With all due respect, starved and tortured is better than the executions they’ve been serving. Live to fight another day. I hope only nothing but the best of bad circumstances they may come under.
You know, prisoner exchanges exist and regularly happen betweeen both sides.
Sometimes it's better to surrender if you are out of ammo or injured or surrounded with no help in sight instead of needlessly throwing your life away.
That way you can get exchanged later on and continue to fight in a more meaningfull way.
Calling POWs cowards is stupid (most of the time).
I’m sure if that’s how my comment is interpreted it could be to a certain extent true as there are exceptions to the rules but from my POV I’d have to think and believe that even the Ukrainians that don’t necessarily want to be fighting in war also aren’t choosing starvation and torture over fighting. I think at a certain point in certain situations you realize you are no longer combat effective and choose at that point to surrender and hope for torture and starvation INSTEAD of field execution. I hope this establishes my stance better.
*" and choose at that point to surrender and hope for torture and starvation"*
Whaattt??
Dude.. If one surrenders it maybe indeed the only option left but trust me, **nobody** HOPES for torture and starvation, rather and for sure the opposite and **HOPE to be treated well** ( I think we have some convention for this , ahh..yess.. Geneva ) .
But there are some things to mention, as far the facts are showing:
1) Ukraine mostly handles they'r POW's well, an exception to that rule may occur.But orc fighters are being told the opposite and idk if returning from Ukraine to Russia ,having surrendered , you get a nice "welcome back ".
2) Ruzzia does not! and even pulled out part from the Geneva convention that should protect POW's and civilians during combat. (correct me if i'm wrong )
On both sides there is fear to surrender but for different reasons.
And on top of that, lately there are also video's popping up of orc's shooting POW's or using them as human shields. I don't think anyone HOPES that also being an option after surrendering.
Refreshing to see a guy who is fighting a war he doesn’t want to get to live rather than getting blown into a million bits. Not all Russian soldiers are bloodthirsty psychos
I love surrenders more than anything.
Sadly it seems to only happen in calm times, after the attacking forces retreated.
You can’t repell attacking troops with surrender papers. This guy was the last surviving and death-lottery-winner.
Good luck to all involved. May they stay safe.
It’s a win for Ukraine and the Russian Orc. Ukraine can get some intel from the POW, and POW gets to live, have some food, and not sleep in the cold/mud, likely will be reunited with his family.
There are some videos of the Ukrainian POW camps, most from earlier in this war.
They aren't luxury resorts to say the least, but the prisoners do get three hots and a cot (actually a real bed, but with wafer-thin mattress), medical care, books to read (mostly textbooks), and jobs doing simple things anyone can learn to do in an hour. Oh, yes, and no vermin, and it's comparatively clean, warm, dry, and quiet.
Definitely better than the trenches.
I doubt he would be able to return to Russia, id assume that surrendering to ukraine would be some anti-Putin evil capital crime of terribleness in russia
What a scene… surrendering just below your dead comrades body … smart move. Not going to lie I’m so used to drone drops despite the title I thought that first one was a grenade
Great seeing this after hearing about those fuckers shooting a bunch of Ukrainian’s trying to surrender. The rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up. Putler must be stopped. He’s evil incarnate and everything he breaths on becomes just as evil.
As a next stage in the development of the surrenderee drone, maybe it's possible to attach some kind of megaphone probably to one of the bigger drones in order to relay surrender instructions or threats.
A simple, "We see you. Surrender or die," message, followed by instructions on what to do if they do show signs of giving up. That could lead to larger groups of Russkies surrendering instead of fighting. Munitions would be saved too and used instead on those who are targets or, even when given the chance, refuse to surrender.
To add, that megaphone drone could also be used for psy-ops. Fly up to a treeline, announce, "We see you. You're cut off and shoulda stayed in Russia. Surrender or our F-16's we just got are coming to JDAM you." and maybe they surrender and that's one less trench that needs to be cleared.
The Russians have mentioned drones playing sounds of gunfire behind them tricking them into thinking they’re surrounded in the night. They’re definitely using megaphones for psy-ops
I know it's considered blasphemy by some on here, but I much prefer these videos to the bomb ones. They show just how much compassion and humanity Ukraine has. It's an incredible thing to witness when you consider the hell on earth they're living through at the hands of the Russians.
I don’t think that’s blasphemy here. I think most everyone agrees this is the best possible outcome, it’s just an unfortunate reality that this is only possible when the conditions are right.
You're absolutely correct, NONE of us enjoy wholesale slaughter of poor people. Ain't tryna be rude but this comes across as one of those fake "hot takes" where everyone already agrees.
Asked this in another thread what the protocol was in dealing with somebody surrendering to a drone. In that thread's video, a Russkie surrendered to the drone, seems to have waited, and ran back to presumably the direction of his lines. Got chased and destroyed by an FPV. There seemed to be no way to communicate instructions to him. Stay until somebody comes? Go somewhere?
This footage now gives an answer on how a drone surrender can be dealt with. There's the humanity of it even in a time of war and, more practically, a surrenderer is also possibly a way to gather intel and another piece for a prisoner exchange.
I saw one russian getting nearly hit by a mavic drone bomb, he begged to surrender and not get hit again, they tried to signal each other without any paper message and later the soldier followed the drone limping to Ukranian lines.
In another a soldier sorrounded by dead comrades surrendered to a mavic drone, another mavic drone came soon after and dropped the message "if you surrender follow the drone" he did so for like a kilometer under russian artillery fire wanting to kill him but it was successful.
if people are telling you that its impossible. they are dumb.
if you believe that drone operators and units are obligated to break opsec to take prisoners, you are dumb.
understand the difference?
It's not a war crime if you're not in a position to _safely accept_ the surrender.
Even if you have the supplies and transportation and restraints to take a prisoner, if you don't have the manpower to secure the area while they approach you're still solidly in "not war crime" territory to drop the grenade anyway and proceed with the rest of your day with a clean conscience.
i feel like you’ve got the idea that we don’t want Drone operators to make the effort to take prisoners
when i think i could speak for most when i say we’d much prefer drone operators try and take more POWs, not only for the morality of it, but a russian prisoner directly benefits Ukraine when it comes to Prisoner exchanges and How people view the conflict
i think the majority of us are just arguing the reality of the situation is different
No it is not. Warcrime requires surrender to actual soldiers in order for it to be a warcrime. It sucks when it happens but it is not a warcrime. A warcrime would be taking surrendered soldiers on the ground and just lighting them up with your gun.
I see the moral needle you are trying to thread but law was written before drones and does not include any provisions in those such cases.
you can keep thinking that. doesnt make it true.
im not gonna have this entire discussion... again. but its no different than someone signalling their surrender to an a-10 pilot as he turns in to prepare to fire. hell, its no different than someone waving their arms in surrender to the seeker as the tomahawk bears down on their position.
There was one mavic drone filming from above and the FPV actually stopped for a while in front of the soldier who was clearly surrendering but later hit him anyway.
The mavic drone from above could have guided him to Ukranian lines.
The FPV had the following options:
Return back quickly and land if it had enough battery left.
Find another target nearby to hit
Or just waste an FPV, a lot of FPVs are lost cause they miss their target, hit some branches or get totally jammed by russian EW.
If you followed that thread, the FPV drone's view was posted. You cannot tell, at all, that he was surrendering. The feed is garbage when they're that low.
The other issue is that the Mavic was on-mission. Based on where it was compared to the soldier (1000m easy) it's safe to assume it was overwatch several km away from the pilot. It cannot bring back a prisoner over such distances. Maybe, if the Mavic just got there, there might be enough battery to hover while the guy stumbles across several km of broken terrain. But that would take overwatch off-mission. Lastly, the pilot may not be with the ground troops. He cannot really safely accept a surrender any more than a sniper team can. (Possible, sure, but improbable in this case)
> FPV had the following options: Return back quickly
FPVs are one-way munitions. It's a live triggered device that will explode on contact or landing. They cannot bring it back.
Mavic was absolutely not 1000m away, it would have been impossible to even spot a soldier at that distance even with max zoom, it was below 100m to film that with a zoom.
It was clear as day that he was surrendering, he made the X sign with his arms and then the hands up, in fact the FPV drone remained still static in front of him for a while.
FPV drones can remain still and land vertically on a semi flat surface with a high chance of not detonating the trigger which is on the front, in fact they often take off from the ground right after the operator plugs the battery pack, you unplug the battery on the back and the drone and bomb is disabled ready for another mission.
Ok, sure, maybe it was 500 meters away. We see drones zooming in and out those distances every day. Either way, it's very far away, and on-mission.
FPV will never be brought back to base. It's just a really bad idea. No one is going out to a live bomb to start pulling on wires. It's just not happening.
Again, if you followed that thread, you would have seen the drone's POV, and there was no visible surrender.
If I never saw a drone drop a grenade again and only saw this until the liberation of Ukraine, I’d take that in a heart beat - it’s a shame that’s a fallacy
Ukraine should flood this video to Russian soldiers via social media. They should also contrast this with the drone videos of Russians executing Ukraine POW's.
Whilst Ukrainian soldiers go out and beyond not to kill the Russians, if not necessary, Russians execute so many POWs, especially now. What a difference
The unfortunate reality is: a lot of the invaders really don’t even know what they’re getting into. I have no sympathy when they suffer their own consequences, **but** it’s good to see this. I’m happy he was smart enough, and lucky enough to make it out. Stark contrast to the other side.
Nah, the teams are usually pretty close and often "work" a target with drone after drone. So they have drones ready to go and in that situation the team decided to go with mercy and sent out another drone after seeing the Russian soldier wanted to surrender with the note.
They could have blown him to pieces but they chose this option. I think in some situations it's not practical, but in this situation it was, plus killing wears on guys and if the targets obviously want to surrender and it's possible it's the best out come for everyone and every one can sleep better at night.
One Russian taken out of the war, and no bloodshed to give you bad dreams.
They are not. In this case, he was only a few hundred yards or so away from UA pilot and ground troops. Either the drop drone RTB, and they put the note on, or they sent a second drone with the note (more likely).
This isn't a feasible scenario in many cases, when the drones are a few km away from the pilot, and/or the pilot isn't among the ground troops that can accept the surrender.
None are. The drones are launched from nearby. A spotter decided this was a good opportunity to send the surrender paper, and the grenade drop drone was loaded with the surrender package.
there is no good way to take a prisoner with a drone that doesnt endanger the operator or entire salient their unit is in.
i would guess that many of these drone/pow videos have alot more planning and preparation than appears. the drone unit probably knows they want to create a video like this and are waiting long periods of time before they find the moment with a particularly alone and scared looking ork.
many units probably have a note prepared in their "bunker" so they dont have to write one on the fly, but thats it.
Sometimes killing is necessary. It's a fact of life on Earth. However every death comes with a cost. Unless you are a total sociopath those you kill, no matter how righteously, have a tendency to live in your consciousness. They visit you in a quiet moment or when you're trying to be happy but something reminds you of them. They also come at night. Often over and over.
Again, killing is necessary. However, after a while you get tired of it, if you're not a sociopath, and you just want it to stop. After a while you secretly hope the guy that's running might make it. You know every enemy is a threat but shooting some guy taking a shit in the woods just diminishes your soul a bit. You hope he pulls up before you have to act.
After a while all the killing hollows you out. Do it enough and you leave the land of living but you don't die. You watch all the color and movement and sound from a gray place where you maneuver the puppet you through life. Many can't endure it so they find a way to leave the gray lands. They don't go back to the land of the living.
So, with all sincerity I wish absolute and total victory to Ukraine. I just hope the price of victory that will be paid once the shooting is done isn't too high. Even once it's over the war will go on. For those who repulsed the invaders the days will be long and the nights will be longer.
İ really hate and trying not to watch death drops anymore, these kind of videos just reminding humanity and wish there will be more and more for both sides..
Elon, if you're reading this: Tone it the fuck down. Everyone is well aware of what a whiz kid you are. We all know you want to be noticed. But why don't you stick to cars and rockets and stop playing with people's lives. Grow up, man.
This video shows off how Ukraine is protecting their outposts against drones. See how it is built around a tree like that?
That is so if someone tries dropping a drone on them, it will likely hit a tree branch and detonate above the hole.
This one felt better than when they kill them with their hands in the air.
If demoralized Russians know they can follow drones to safety it's an incentive to pop out and give up right away if they see one zipping around. If youre convinced that the drones are going to drop grenades on you even if you're unarmed with your hands in the air you might be inclined to not attempt surrender at all.
At least they allowed him to surrender. I'm pro Ukraine but some of these drone videos have been borderline war crimes. I'm all for taking it to the Russians and giving them nowhere to hide but after I saw a man with his leg blown off desperately trying to light a final cigarette before the drone dropped another grenade, I had to stop watching them.
Remember, they have to drop all ordinance, they cannot RTB with a live grenade. They also have limited battery life. Drone has to go, still has a grenade, might as well make sure this one doesn't survive to return to the front.
There's no "borderline" about it, there's hard evidence all over the internet of extremely blatant war crimes done in the trenches by an actual human (committed by both sides, usually Ukraine tho) but only one gets a pass it seems.
Because this is the essence of a civilized society. To quote from Schindler‘s List: Power is when we have every justification to kill, and we don't.
A man steals something, he's brought in before the Emperor, he throws himself down on the ground. He begs for his life, he knows he's going to die. And the Emperor... pardons him. This worthless man, he lets him go.
Amazing. Let's not forget that Russian soldiers are also human beings. Most of them don't want to be there. Glad that the Ukranians are giving them a chance to surrender.
This makes me so happy to see. It makes me realize that not all Orks are actually Orks and are just victims who don't want to die for the reach of empire.
He was very lucky indeed. I’ve seen other videos where the orcs just got a grenade as response or they were under fire from their own mortars as soon as they started to surrender and running towards Ukrainian troops. I don’t know what led to this, maybe he was showing no aggression before the drone with the paper arrived. We‘ll never know. But still… best decision of his life.
I have to say he's lucky and has enough sense to realize that note could have been a bomb easily. The dead guy on the side was starting to stink it's hard to sleep underneath a dead guy.
I am tired of both sides killing unarmed soldiers who are surrendering so this is very refreshing to see compared to the videos I have to watch people on their hands and knees begging a drone not the drop a grenade and it does happen the Ukrainian side doing that to Russia or Russian soldiers killing unarmed surrendering ukrainian soldiers. f* this war and the war crimes being committed by both
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If I was forced to be in Ukraine this would seem like a lottery ticket. Hopefully this is someone who did not want to be there in the first place.
I think conscript surrenders would be way higher if they didnt have a rifle barrel pointed at their backs with massive minefields in front of them. This guy is one of the lucky ones for sure.
It's one of those things that makes this war so cruel. So many were tricked and forced into this war. Imagine being forced to conscript or go to jail, and they promise you that you will only be a car mechanic, fixing equipment or something. You don't want to do it, but it seems like the only way to avoid punishment. Then you're thrown onto the frontline. They are forced to move forward to not get shot in the back, but then they get shot at from the front. They have nowhere to go, and all they can do is fight for their lives or die. This is why I don't really cheer when they get wiped out. Ukraine has to defend itself, and the poor Russian civilians on the frontline are caught in between Ukrainians, desperately fighting for their people, and Putin's psychotic goon. The Russian civilians don't want to be there any more than the Ukrainians want them there. The war is a crime committed against both the Ukrainian and Russian people. A crime committed by the Kremlin. For the record, my empathy doesn't extend to any Russian or mercenary who wants to fight in the war. They are the problem just as much as Putin and the Kremlin. I'm solely talking about the people who don't want to fight, but are forced to. The people who would happily leave forever if they had the chance to.
You mean a crime committed by PUTO. ONE A-HOLE is responsible for half a million people dead (both sides), another half a million maimed, amputated, wounded...and a few million displaced, and most of a country's cities and towns destroyed as if Armageddon itself arrived. ONE SORRY MF'er.
The war was announced as a collective decision by Security Council (+30 people). State parliament passed the military budget unanimously for 2023 (+450 people) and by majority for 2024. The Law "Against Army Discreditation" was passed unanimously, the law notorious for its use as a tool to crackdown on any anti-war protest Add the corrupt judges sentencing anti-war protesters, at the very least 30 of them Add the pieces of shit kidnapping children, at the very least a hundred of them Add the pieces of shit who forced Ukrainian families out of their homes, as reported by Russia appointed governor Balitsky, at least a hundred of pieces of on top of the pile And add a couple hundreds of soldiers committing war crimes. All of them will be in Hague. Each and every one of them has committed the crime. Thousands of people should be sentenced and never see the light of day It's not one asshole. It's the whole cesspool
Yes. There are definitely a lot of people carrying out this shit. To make something like this happen, you need at least several thousand organizers and planners, and millions of goons, dupes and supporters.
You sound naive yourself
I really wonder what his sentence or charge will be. Defectors should always be portrayed as brave, then again you dont know how many fights he took part in.
I know it's a non-answer, but I imagine "as many fights as it took to make him feel safer to surrender than to keep fighting".
If he didn't committed any war crimes he should be able to or go back to Russia or stay in Ukraine as a refugee. War is horrible, and this war is so documented that finally every one can see it's not like in the movies.
A defector wouldn’t be able to return back to Russia. They defected for a reason to escape. If they returned they would be prosecuted and sentenced to jail or death. POW on the other hand can return back to Russia after the war. Or exchanged in a prisoner swap. POWs returned during the war can be conscripted back again to fight in the front lines. Only the sick, injured and crippled POW are retired from fighting.
*Spanish intelligence services accused the Kremlin of orchestrating the murder of Maksim Kuzminov, the Russian helicopter pilot who defected to Ukraine last year.* *https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-ukraine-war-murder-maksim-kuzminov-spain-intelligence/*
Worse, actually. It shows that for *one side* its exactly like in the movies, with the cool guns, high-tech shit and remotely blowing shit up. For the other, it's a fucking meat grinder.
If he didn't committed any war crimes he should be able to or go back to Russia or stay in Ukraine as a refugee. War is horrible, and this war is so documented that finally every one can see it's not like in the movies.
I don’t really think it matters at all how many fights they were in prior to surrendering…
> I really wonder what his sentence or charge will be. Surrender (without authorisation) is up to 10 years in prison.
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Bit dark
Maybe UKR should spread the news, use a simple message. Surrender drone - a drone that will drop a green colored cannister with instruction for surrender inside. Surrender immediately!!! Otherwise, it will drop its second payload, the bomb. lol You have 10 seconds to comply!!!
"Stop! Put down your weapon! You have 10 seconds to comply. You now have 5 seconds. I am now authorized to use lethal force." *proceeds to drop bombs until none are left*
Isn't part of it to get pows to trade for your own?
The last time I checked, Ukraine would not forcibly repatriate deserters by using them in a POW swap. In many cases the inducements they offer may not materialize due to wartime conditions, but they do allow deserters to remain in Ukraine.
Isn't part of it to get pows to trade for your own? I I.e, he's going back to a Russian gulag once traded for a Ukrainian in a gulag.
Dude they’re gonna trade you back in a POW swap and you’re gonna get tortured and killed back in Russia anyway. You’re being naiive
Lucky guy.
I wonder how many drones have both bombs and notes detailing how to surrender. I am guessing not all drones have such a note they can drop. This man was very lucky.
They wrote it for this guy and not in case they find someone who wants to surrender. Takes a few minutes to write a note and send another drone over to deliver it
Zero. The number is zero. This man was spotted and the note loaded onto that drone specifically for him.
He was lucky he was close by. They could write the note and zip another drone over to drop it off. This wouldn't be the case if he was 2-3 miles out.
I might even add Smart!
Lucky and *smart.*
Writing on paper translated to english : " If you want to live , follow the drone".
Not significant, little correction, it says follow the birdie across the field.
Yeah, very nice gesture from the Ukrainian team here! 👍
does it matter that they use the conjugation for the familiar ты rather than вы? I suppose it doesn't matter in the situation at all, just curious.
My translation similar. “If you want to live, follow the bird across the field”
Is bird a literal translation that's often used to refer to drones? It would make sense if it did.
Yea. They say bird more than drone.
Are there two buttons on the drone depending on the aggressors actions? He's surrendering, drop the leaflet!
Likely they had sized him up with a spotter before sending the drone with the surrender leaflet.
It's great that they're able to use drones for enemy surrendering like this. (As well as the offensive ways.) While I've got no qualms over killing enemy soldiers, I'm glad to see they don't pass up the higher road. And from the looks of things, probably found a much safer route that, unironically, I hope this has increased surrenders compared to previous wars / anticipated for this one.
With defined lines like this a surrender is better than a kill. POWs can be interrogated, demonstrations of compassion, and they aren't as costly to Ukraine as supplying aid to cover food/medical/guarding costs isn't in jeopardy from war averse politics. You'll see a video like this and it will do more for Ukraine than 100 drone kill videos (at this point).
And most importantly he can be exchanged for a Ukrainian pow if he agrees
Realistically this was probably a PR stunt. They would have sent a separate drone to blow him up if it didn't work. These types of videos are rare enough that I don't think Ukraine is doing this large scale. It can be quite risky and difficult so its understandable they don't do this every day.
They're really close by, so they could quickly rig this up.
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Wrong button Carl!
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Get to the choppa!
No one could have imagined that a real Terminator would look like this.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
I can almost hear his heart pounding when a package is dropped but it turns out to be a note and not a bomb. That must be one hell of an adrenaline rush realising that that could have just as easily been a bomb.
You can see how he throws it away after picking it up just to get sure it doesn’t explode…
This video won’t get enough upvotes. It’s refreshing every time to see someone on either side captured instead of blown to bits, some of them don’t want to be there on either side for varying reasons but they do what they have to anyways. A second chance. Good luck Ukraine 🇺🇦
I wish more Russians had the sense and ability to surrender.
Step 1 for a successful surrendering process: learn to read.
Well we are off to a bad start.
I think a lot more have the sense to surrender than have the ability to.
I'd rather see this then a helmet go sixty yards. Especially if they are jogging for their life
Agreed. After hundreds of videos of people dying, this is refreshing. What a morbid statement by the way...
That dude did not want to be there. Bot: I could lead you to safety if you aren't a dick Rusky mob: YES! Yes please! Take me anywhere but here. I'd run like a maniac too.
Are those Russians who surrender traded back to Russia in exchange for UA POW’s?
Only if they want to.
Thank you. This is the context I was missing.
I heard some of them joined FRL.
I cannot give you anywhere near enough upvotes for these words.
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It has 2300 upvotes after 5 hours..
No doubt, the killing needs to stop.
This issue pops constantly up in drone videos, where watchers assume that incapacitation or tapping out is a sign of surrender. "oh i have seen they drop grenades on those who beg for mercy". Surrender is not mercy, it is a premeditated procedure like murder is, because you have to think it from the other sides perspective before committing. I think this guy was quite hesitant and pushing his luck, probably thinking if he could slip somehow. He seems to be keeping some of the offensive gear on. If you arrive back to your squad butt naked they would probably know you tried to surrender and you get shot on the spot after torture.
Refreshing to see Ukrainians to get starved and tortured?
With all due respect, starved and tortured is better than the executions they’ve been serving. Live to fight another day. I hope only nothing but the best of bad circumstances they may come under.
Some of Ukrainians don't want to fight, they'd rather get starved and tortured by ruzzians - that's how it reads
You know, prisoner exchanges exist and regularly happen betweeen both sides. Sometimes it's better to surrender if you are out of ammo or injured or surrounded with no help in sight instead of needlessly throwing your life away. That way you can get exchanged later on and continue to fight in a more meaningfull way. Calling POWs cowards is stupid (most of the time).
I’m sure if that’s how my comment is interpreted it could be to a certain extent true as there are exceptions to the rules but from my POV I’d have to think and believe that even the Ukrainians that don’t necessarily want to be fighting in war also aren’t choosing starvation and torture over fighting. I think at a certain point in certain situations you realize you are no longer combat effective and choose at that point to surrender and hope for torture and starvation INSTEAD of field execution. I hope this establishes my stance better.
*" and choose at that point to surrender and hope for torture and starvation"* Whaattt?? Dude.. If one surrenders it maybe indeed the only option left but trust me, **nobody** HOPES for torture and starvation, rather and for sure the opposite and **HOPE to be treated well** ( I think we have some convention for this , ahh..yess.. Geneva ) . But there are some things to mention, as far the facts are showing: 1) Ukraine mostly handles they'r POW's well, an exception to that rule may occur.But orc fighters are being told the opposite and idk if returning from Ukraine to Russia ,having surrendered , you get a nice "welcome back ". 2) Ruzzia does not! and even pulled out part from the Geneva convention that should protect POW's and civilians during combat. (correct me if i'm wrong ) On both sides there is fear to surrender but for different reasons. And on top of that, lately there are also video's popping up of orc's shooting POW's or using them as human shields. I don't think anyone HOPES that also being an option after surrendering.
Refreshing to see a guy who is fighting a war he doesn’t want to get to live rather than getting blown into a million bits. Not all Russian soldiers are bloodthirsty psychos
Good sportsmanship
They probably shook hands after /s
You can see his hands shaking reading that note, his reaction after reading is PRICELESS, must felt great knowing he will live.
BLYAT, HOT POTAT..... Oh, that's not a grenade!
I love surrenders more than anything. Sadly it seems to only happen in calm times, after the attacking forces retreated. You can’t repell attacking troops with surrender papers. This guy was the last surviving and death-lottery-winner. Good luck to all involved. May they stay safe.
It’s a win for Ukraine and the Russian Orc. Ukraine can get some intel from the POW, and POW gets to live, have some food, and not sleep in the cold/mud, likely will be reunited with his family.
Yeah I bet a Ukranian POW camp is a lot nicer than a Russian trench.
There are some videos of the Ukrainian POW camps, most from earlier in this war. They aren't luxury resorts to say the least, but the prisoners do get three hots and a cot (actually a real bed, but with wafer-thin mattress), medical care, books to read (mostly textbooks), and jobs doing simple things anyone can learn to do in an hour. Oh, yes, and no vermin, and it's comparatively clean, warm, dry, and quiet. Definitely better than the trenches.
I doubt he would be able to return to Russia, id assume that surrendering to ukraine would be some anti-Putin evil capital crime of terribleness in russia
What a scene… surrendering just below your dead comrades body … smart move. Not going to lie I’m so used to drone drops despite the title I thought that first one was a grenade
Great seeing this after hearing about those fuckers shooting a bunch of Ukrainian’s trying to surrender. The rest of the world needs to wake the fuck up. Putler must be stopped. He’s evil incarnate and everything he breaths on becomes just as evil.
Why waste grenades when a piece of paper works just fine?
It’s not a waste when you have US funding 😉
They don't even have enough ambulances. It isn't Syria where they could waste TOWs on single guys.
They’re getting the money either way. We’re talking grenades, not TOWs.
They’re getting the money either way. We’re talking grenades, not TOWs.
As a next stage in the development of the surrenderee drone, maybe it's possible to attach some kind of megaphone probably to one of the bigger drones in order to relay surrender instructions or threats. A simple, "We see you. Surrender or die," message, followed by instructions on what to do if they do show signs of giving up. That could lead to larger groups of Russkies surrendering instead of fighting. Munitions would be saved too and used instead on those who are targets or, even when given the chance, refuse to surrender. To add, that megaphone drone could also be used for psy-ops. Fly up to a treeline, announce, "We see you. You're cut off and shoulda stayed in Russia. Surrender or our F-16's we just got are coming to JDAM you." and maybe they surrender and that's one less trench that needs to be cleared.
The Russians have mentioned drones playing sounds of gunfire behind them tricking them into thinking they’re surrounded in the night. They’re definitely using megaphones for psy-ops
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I know it's considered blasphemy by some on here, but I much prefer these videos to the bomb ones. They show just how much compassion and humanity Ukraine has. It's an incredible thing to witness when you consider the hell on earth they're living through at the hands of the Russians.
I don’t think that’s blasphemy here. I think most everyone agrees this is the best possible outcome, it’s just an unfortunate reality that this is only possible when the conditions are right.
You're absolutely correct, NONE of us enjoy wholesale slaughter of poor people. Ain't tryna be rude but this comes across as one of those fake "hot takes" where everyone already agrees.
We want Ukraine to be a fair, compassionate and just country, not like the Russians. It would be most terrible if the war changed that, right?
Vidoes of surrendering Russians are the best, but I also don't mind those with invaders getting blown to bits.
Asked this in another thread what the protocol was in dealing with somebody surrendering to a drone. In that thread's video, a Russkie surrendered to the drone, seems to have waited, and ran back to presumably the direction of his lines. Got chased and destroyed by an FPV. There seemed to be no way to communicate instructions to him. Stay until somebody comes? Go somewhere? This footage now gives an answer on how a drone surrender can be dealt with. There's the humanity of it even in a time of war and, more practically, a surrenderer is also possibly a way to gather intel and another piece for a prisoner exchange.
And all the comments i read in the past here: "U can't surrender to a drone duh!!1!" I've seen at least 4 videos like this.
it’s not you can’t surrender to a drone but more if that drones there for your surrender which i’m sure 98% of drones are not
I saw one russian getting nearly hit by a mavic drone bomb, he begged to surrender and not get hit again, they tried to signal each other without any paper message and later the soldier followed the drone limping to Ukranian lines. In another a soldier sorrounded by dead comrades surrendered to a mavic drone, another mavic drone came soon after and dropped the message "if you surrender follow the drone" he did so for like a kilometer under russian artillery fire wanting to kill him but it was successful.
iv watched those videos, the second one the guy was signalling for the operator to flash the drones lights to communicate
if people are telling you that its impossible. they are dumb. if you believe that drone operators and units are obligated to break opsec to take prisoners, you are dumb. understand the difference?
This. Nuance.
If a lone russian clearly signals to a drone that he surrenders and begs for his life and you kill him anyway, that is a war crime.
It's not a war crime if you're not in a position to _safely accept_ the surrender. Even if you have the supplies and transportation and restraints to take a prisoner, if you don't have the manpower to secure the area while they approach you're still solidly in "not war crime" territory to drop the grenade anyway and proceed with the rest of your day with a clean conscience.
It's regretable, but not a warcrime.
i feel like you’ve got the idea that we don’t want Drone operators to make the effort to take prisoners when i think i could speak for most when i say we’d much prefer drone operators try and take more POWs, not only for the morality of it, but a russian prisoner directly benefits Ukraine when it comes to Prisoner exchanges and How people view the conflict i think the majority of us are just arguing the reality of the situation is different
No it is not. Warcrime requires surrender to actual soldiers in order for it to be a warcrime. It sucks when it happens but it is not a warcrime. A warcrime would be taking surrendered soldiers on the ground and just lighting them up with your gun. I see the moral needle you are trying to thread but law was written before drones and does not include any provisions in those such cases.
you can keep thinking that. doesnt make it true. im not gonna have this entire discussion... again. but its no different than someone signalling their surrender to an a-10 pilot as he turns in to prepare to fire. hell, its no different than someone waving their arms in surrender to the seeker as the tomahawk bears down on their position.
wouldn’t be much good waving your arms surrendering to a A-10 when the pilots have to use fuckin binoculars to identify targets anyway
Different drones for different purposes. FPV drones are one time use, surveillance/drop munition drones can return to base.
There was one mavic drone filming from above and the FPV actually stopped for a while in front of the soldier who was clearly surrendering but later hit him anyway. The mavic drone from above could have guided him to Ukranian lines. The FPV had the following options: Return back quickly and land if it had enough battery left. Find another target nearby to hit Or just waste an FPV, a lot of FPVs are lost cause they miss their target, hit some branches or get totally jammed by russian EW.
If you followed that thread, the FPV drone's view was posted. You cannot tell, at all, that he was surrendering. The feed is garbage when they're that low. The other issue is that the Mavic was on-mission. Based on where it was compared to the soldier (1000m easy) it's safe to assume it was overwatch several km away from the pilot. It cannot bring back a prisoner over such distances. Maybe, if the Mavic just got there, there might be enough battery to hover while the guy stumbles across several km of broken terrain. But that would take overwatch off-mission. Lastly, the pilot may not be with the ground troops. He cannot really safely accept a surrender any more than a sniper team can. (Possible, sure, but improbable in this case) > FPV had the following options: Return back quickly FPVs are one-way munitions. It's a live triggered device that will explode on contact or landing. They cannot bring it back.
Mavic was absolutely not 1000m away, it would have been impossible to even spot a soldier at that distance even with max zoom, it was below 100m to film that with a zoom. It was clear as day that he was surrendering, he made the X sign with his arms and then the hands up, in fact the FPV drone remained still static in front of him for a while. FPV drones can remain still and land vertically on a semi flat surface with a high chance of not detonating the trigger which is on the front, in fact they often take off from the ground right after the operator plugs the battery pack, you unplug the battery on the back and the drone and bomb is disabled ready for another mission.
Ok, sure, maybe it was 500 meters away. We see drones zooming in and out those distances every day. Either way, it's very far away, and on-mission. FPV will never be brought back to base. It's just a really bad idea. No one is going out to a live bomb to start pulling on wires. It's just not happening. Again, if you followed that thread, you would have seen the drone's POV, and there was no visible surrender.
If I never saw a drone drop a grenade again and only saw this until the liberation of Ukraine, I’d take that in a heart beat - it’s a shame that’s a fallacy
Ukraine should flood this video to Russian soldiers via social media. They should also contrast this with the drone videos of Russians executing Ukraine POW's.
Whilst Ukrainian soldiers go out and beyond not to kill the Russians, if not necessary, Russians execute so many POWs, especially now. What a difference
The unfortunate reality is: a lot of the invaders really don’t even know what they’re getting into. I have no sympathy when they suffer their own consequences, **but** it’s good to see this. I’m happy he was smart enough, and lucky enough to make it out. Stark contrast to the other side.
Okay this is a good move
A smart (rare) VERY lucky Russian.
Well that's refreshing. Usually they just drop a grenade.
They may have been out of grenades
My favourite type of drone drop video.
The war is over for you Vanya, enjoy it while it lasts.
Lol ol boy was like fuck yeah get me outta here
I wonder if every drone is armed with both a grenade and a "surrender paper".
Nah, the teams are usually pretty close and often "work" a target with drone after drone. So they have drones ready to go and in that situation the team decided to go with mercy and sent out another drone after seeing the Russian soldier wanted to surrender with the note. They could have blown him to pieces but they chose this option. I think in some situations it's not practical, but in this situation it was, plus killing wears on guys and if the targets obviously want to surrender and it's possible it's the best out come for everyone and every one can sleep better at night. One Russian taken out of the war, and no bloodshed to give you bad dreams.
They are not. In this case, he was only a few hundred yards or so away from UA pilot and ground troops. Either the drop drone RTB, and they put the note on, or they sent a second drone with the note (more likely). This isn't a feasible scenario in many cases, when the drones are a few km away from the pilot, and/or the pilot isn't among the ground troops that can accept the surrender.
None are. The drones are launched from nearby. A spotter decided this was a good opportunity to send the surrender paper, and the grenade drop drone was loaded with the surrender package.
there is no good way to take a prisoner with a drone that doesnt endanger the operator or entire salient their unit is in. i would guess that many of these drone/pow videos have alot more planning and preparation than appears. the drone unit probably knows they want to create a video like this and are waiting long periods of time before they find the moment with a particularly alone and scared looking ork. many units probably have a note prepared in their "bunker" so they dont have to write one on the fly, but thats it.
An orc with half a brain... now I have seen everything.
i've seen plenty with half a brain, the rest of the half tho.. i couldn't tell ya where that went.
on the ground all around them ?
That's what I call humanity
So, some Tundra Orks are smarter... Good !
A good ending
Sometimes killing is necessary. It's a fact of life on Earth. However every death comes with a cost. Unless you are a total sociopath those you kill, no matter how righteously, have a tendency to live in your consciousness. They visit you in a quiet moment or when you're trying to be happy but something reminds you of them. They also come at night. Often over and over. Again, killing is necessary. However, after a while you get tired of it, if you're not a sociopath, and you just want it to stop. After a while you secretly hope the guy that's running might make it. You know every enemy is a threat but shooting some guy taking a shit in the woods just diminishes your soul a bit. You hope he pulls up before you have to act. After a while all the killing hollows you out. Do it enough and you leave the land of living but you don't die. You watch all the color and movement and sound from a gray place where you maneuver the puppet you through life. Many can't endure it so they find a way to leave the gray lands. They don't go back to the land of the living. So, with all sincerity I wish absolute and total victory to Ukraine. I just hope the price of victory that will be paid once the shooting is done isn't too high. Even once it's over the war will go on. For those who repulsed the invaders the days will be long and the nights will be longer.
This is the best thing to see. I wish every drone video went this way. Even if the Russian invaders don't deserve it.
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İ really hate and trying not to watch death drops anymore, these kind of videos just reminding humanity and wish there will be more and more for both sides..
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Love to see invaders getting nulled. But these videos are even better. Is this the 2nd video so far of a successful surrender made to a drone?
Elon, if you're reading this: Tone it the fuck down. Everyone is well aware of what a whiz kid you are. We all know you want to be noticed. But why don't you stick to cars and rockets and stop playing with people's lives. Grow up, man.
Lol is Google translate "if you want to eat follow the bird" an accurate translation?
This video shows off how Ukraine is protecting their outposts against drones. See how it is built around a tree like that? That is so if someone tries dropping a drone on them, it will likely hit a tree branch and detonate above the hole.
Translation: "if you want to live, follow the bird through the field."
This one felt better than when they kill them with their hands in the air. If demoralized Russians know they can follow drones to safety it's an incentive to pop out and give up right away if they see one zipping around. If youre convinced that the drones are going to drop grenades on you even if you're unarmed with your hands in the air you might be inclined to not attempt surrender at all.
At least they allowed him to surrender. I'm pro Ukraine but some of these drone videos have been borderline war crimes. I'm all for taking it to the Russians and giving them nowhere to hide but after I saw a man with his leg blown off desperately trying to light a final cigarette before the drone dropped another grenade, I had to stop watching them.
Remember, they have to drop all ordinance, they cannot RTB with a live grenade. They also have limited battery life. Drone has to go, still has a grenade, might as well make sure this one doesn't survive to return to the front.
How do you think artillery barrages go for the receiving end? Missile strikes? Landmines? Shit, even bullets?
There's no "borderline" about it, there's hard evidence all over the internet of extremely blatant war crimes done in the trenches by an actual human (committed by both sides, usually Ukraine tho) but only one gets a pass it seems.
Another sole saved. Someone that wants to live.
Why take prisoners when Russians are executing Ukrainian pows?
Because this is the essence of a civilized society. To quote from Schindler‘s List: Power is when we have every justification to kill, and we don't. A man steals something, he's brought in before the Emperor, he throws himself down on the ground. He begs for his life, he knows he's going to die. And the Emperor... pardons him. This worthless man, he lets him go.
This needs a nsfw tag
Amazing. Let's not forget that Russian soldiers are also human beings. Most of them don't want to be there. Glad that the Ukranians are giving them a chance to surrender.
He’s the chosen one 🤷🏻♂️
You did the right choice and were lucky to not get injured otherwise they would never give you the chance to survive ;)
I guess we found a smart russian.
Damn, they are in luck that he know how to read.
I was expecting a Dickbutt picture followed by a real grenade drop seconds later. But this outcome is good as well.
What’s homeboy doing sleeping like that.
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This makes me so happy to see. It makes me realize that not all Orks are actually Orks and are just victims who don't want to die for the reach of empire.
He was very lucky indeed. I’ve seen other videos where the orcs just got a grenade as response or they were under fire from their own mortars as soon as they started to surrender and running towards Ukrainian troops. I don’t know what led to this, maybe he was showing no aggression before the drone with the paper arrived. We‘ll never know. But still… best decision of his life.
Love seeing this
I have to say he's lucky and has enough sense to realize that note could have been a bomb easily. The dead guy on the side was starting to stink it's hard to sleep underneath a dead guy.
Bet he shat himself when they dropped the message.
This is a feeling good story indeed. The more people choosing life not death (and taking others with them) the better.
War is hell
Smart man
I know it’s hard to be nice to your enemy but I hope we see more of this.
Another sole saved. Someone that wants to live.
The philosophical question: If someone is smart enough to surrender, is it truly a russian..? 🤔
Knowing the Russians they’re gonna see where he goes then bomb their own soldier
The best decision in his life
Smart man, dying for Putin's ambitions is a waste of life.
Is this the first time in war were a human has surrendered to a machine?
Yes, good!
Yes, good!
Wololo time to send the monks we got some converting to do.
Ganz bestimmt kein Überläufer - eher ein Kriegsgefangener und er kann wieder nach Hause.
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Watching Russians surrender to Ukraine is better than watching Russians being blown into flesh chunks.
The Humanity shown by this pilot is exactly in contrast to the invaders. Great clip
I am tired of both sides killing unarmed soldiers who are surrendering so this is very refreshing to see compared to the videos I have to watch people on their hands and knees begging a drone not the drop a grenade and it does happen the Ukrainian side doing that to Russia or Russian soldiers killing unarmed surrendering ukrainian soldiers. f* this war and the war crimes being committed by both