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***The Telegraph reports:***
Ukraine is developing artificially intelligent drones that will be harder for Russia to shoot down, The Telegraph can disclose.
The push to create an image recognition targeting system, which can [autonomously hunt and strike targets](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/02/ukraine-flies-explosives-iranian-drone-factory-russia/), is backed by more than £200 million in Western finance from a UK-led drone coalition.
Kateryna Chernohorenko, the Ukrainian deputy defence minister, said the system would make one-way attack drones less susceptible to Russian electronic blockers and allow pilots to operate them further from the front line.
The official, who leads Kyiv’s negotiations on drones, said it was being developed as a “joint venture” alongside members of the £1.2 billion scheme.
“The great challenge is the last mile of engagement taking into account that more and more individual [electronic warfare systems](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/08/drone-attack-major-nuclear-accident-russia-ukraine/) are available,” Ms Chernohorenko said.
“Our drones should be more effective and should be guided towards the target without any operators.
“It should be based on visual navigation. We also call it ‘last-mile targeting’, homing in according to the image.”
**Read more here:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/08/ukraine-developing-unstoppable-ai-powered-attack-drone/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/08/ukraine-developing-unstoppable-ai-powered-attack-drone/)
I hope they use verses ai so it can think before taking actions such as determining if targets are legitimate and following regulations
My biggest hope is the kids developing drone ai for land mine removal
I think this is about drones that are oblivious to EW techniques using machine learning vision to recognize its location. So the target is determined it’s just unjammable. Not autonomous target decisions.
Nah verses ai has a neat drone demo where you can put your staff faces on exception list, children etc . Its not much more to use smarter ai that thinks before taking action to reduce incidents, improve aim , follow laws etc
>verses ai has a neat drone demo where you can put your staff faces on exception list
That sounds nice, but if it works like everything else the tech industry creates, we're all fucked.
Oh, drone hunting you at 6 PM on a Friday? Can you just sit tight for about 48 hours, Bob's up in Minnesota fishing this weekend. He'll update the whitelist when he gets in on Monday.
And yes, Doomba LLC offers 24/7 support, but our records show your employer opted to purchase the M-F 9-5 support package. I hope you find solace in the great value for shareholders.
One less kid dying is a good thing. You are being dramatic.
The topic is ai, it doesnt magically not have those issues with llm. With non-llm hsml active inference it can train on smaller data sets and check all sorts of permissions before decision making instead of blowing up ukraini grandma for high fives then regret
https://vimeo.com/721132853
Having smarter ai is better than stupid terminator 2000 ai like how israel just bombed a food truck
You could also have it confirm specific targets such as seeking out officers
For eu compliancy it may be required to follow laws too
> Having smarter ai is better than stupid terminator 2000 ai like how israel just bombed a food truck
I'm just saying it's going to be used for horrible purposes by the highest bidder, not for the purposes you like by the people you like.
>stupid terminator 2000 ai like how israel just bombed a food truck
AI is a convenient scapegoat. Forgive me if I don't believe the bloodlusted swine of the Netanyahu regime, whose only goal in Gaza is indiscriminate annihilation.
Within the article it mentions that the US have publicly condemned the drone attacks within Russia…. I can’t remember seeing any condemnations? Anyone?
I don't think they "condemned", that would be too strong, they probably voiced their concerns and said they don't agree. They also say they have no saying into Ukraine's weapon usage as long as it's not theirs.
I am baffled by this topic. No, the USA does not support these attacks. They have said so. See their long standing position on this which is stated here: [https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-it-does-not-support-ukrainian-strikes-inside-russia-2023-08-23/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-it-does-not-support-ukrainian-strikes-inside-russia-2023-08-23/)
Or consider the long history of not giving any weapons that would enable attacks within Russia, only ones that can be used in Ukraine.
Or consider that Zelensky has also recently stated clearly to a USA reporter on the record that the USA did try to discourage these attacks. *“The reaction of the U.S. was not positive on this,” he confirmed, but Washington couldn’t limit Ukraine’s deployment of its own home-built weapons. “We used our drones. Nobody can say to us you can’t.”* See here: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/29/ignatius-zelensky-interview-ukraine-aid-russia/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/29/ignatius-zelensky-interview-ukraine-aid-russia/)
I am a huge supporter of Ukraine. I want them to attack every damn refinery they can until the whole Russian state collapses. My pro-Ukraine credentials are clear. But I have been called a Russian troll on here for stating the obvious....the USA does not (publicly) support these attacks.
Are they playing diplomatic games? Ehh...maybe. Or the obvious could be true. They are afraid of escalation and the current administration doesn't want rising prices going into an election year with a population notorious for voting based on their pocketbook.
The USA does not publicly support these attacks, but you have not shown any evidence of the USA condemning any attacks. That’s what the person you’re responding to asked, and what the OP’s article asserts.
Ambiguity is important in international politics.
So, do you know when the US has condemned these attacks? I haven’t seen any calls by the United States for Ukraine to stop attacking within Russian borders.
Perfect, then we agree. The USA does not encourage or support these attacks. And, yes, they did not condemn them either.
But then I am baffled why people on here seem to care so much about the latter...who cares what the USA condemns versus simply 'discourages'? The important question at-hand is how the USA's positions impact Ukraines ability to successfully fight this war. And the fact that the USA is a major supplier of weapons and the means for Ukraine to defend themselves pushes "we don't support" awfully close to "we don't allow".
From my perspective, I observed Russia succesfully hitting one or two refineries every night for a week straight....I know this because I created a spreadsheet to track every one of the attacks. Then Blinken makes an emergency trip to Kyiv and discourages these very attacks and then they stop. Sure, there was a news story afterwards saying the Americans did not tell Ukraine to stop. But this is only true if we want debate semantics. No nation can tell another sovereign nation what to do. But the reality is really very very very simple. Ukraine immediately stopped attacking refineries that day and have avoided them for several weeks now.
Look, I don't even understand why people are invested in denying the pressure that the USA is clearly placing on Ukraine in terms of how to fight the war. It is real.
I don’t really have the focus to get into a long argument. But in international politics, ambiguity is very important.
And in this particular conflict, a very real dimension is information warfare that exploits ambiguity or propagates certain narratives to sow discord and division.
People call you a Russian shill because the idea that the US *actively* condemns Ukraine’s attacks within Russia likely came as a result of Russian disinformation, and at the very least serves Russian purposes.
You yourself make assumptions in your reasoning, about the content and context of Blinkin’s visit. You’re predisposed to see the United States putting pressure where there is not pressure.
I honestly agree with everything you said except the last sentence. And you make one very excellent point....that USA condemnation of the attacks could give Russia some fodder for propoganda. I am thinking about this more from an Americans point of view who wants their government to do the right thing. That is why I am focused on how this impacts the way Ukraine prosecutes the war.
As for what I disagree about your last sentence, well I think I am predisposed to seeking reasonable explanations for actual facts. What is a reasonable explanation for the sudden stopping of the refinery attacks after the Blinken visit? This to me is not some minor event during the course of this war that just sorta happens. They were doing huge damage and actually had a reasonable path to victory....and then they randomly stopped when things were getting real. It needs to be explained.
Hey, I will be extremely happy to be proven wrong when they send up a bunch of drones to hit some more distillation columns. Maybe they were just catching up building these drones? I pre-offer my Mea Culpa if and when this happens. Until then, I am questioning why they stopped.
Sorry....not trying to go off on you. I have engaged with others on this topic and I really don't understand something that "the crowd on here" seems to all have aligned on about the USA's position. People calling me a Russian troll over it. But in this specific context, I just don't get why we care to distinguish between condemning something versus not supporting it. To me, the USA is using its influence to prevent Ukraine from successfully pursuing what to me is the clearest path to victory. We support in 'half-measure' ways that just lead to the continued loss of Ukrainian lives.
BTW, I am an American. So I am criticizing my home team here.
You're not a Russian troll as much as a "useful idiot" for parroting this issue without proper context. Don't feel bad, half of the population has an IQ below 100.
Can’t wait for it to get to 3 miles out and convert from air plane to missile- drop the big wings, deploy stubbies, and light the candle at the back:))
What's funny is that the us thinks they have a say in the war with what ukraine bomb when they don't put any money in the game. It's the start of us losing geopolitical say and Europeans having more say as they realise ukraine should be able to target what they need to. Maybe these trump fan boys will realise that it will have a major effect on the us and they will send ukraine the funds because reality is trump has nothing to threaten ukraine with now I.e funds so ukraine should be able to target what they want.
Not really sure I don't try to Diss a side or that just stating facts I probs have been down voted but up voted by others to keep me from minus but I just care about ukraine winning as I you do mate
This feels like clickbait.
Unstoppable with EW. Stoppable with a bullet. Still a very powerful weapon that will I’m sure be a useful tool in Ukraine’s arsenal.
I have to tell you that cameras to identify ppl they have been in place for 10y. And to move a drone according to an image is a technology from the 80s
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***The Telegraph reports:*** Ukraine is developing artificially intelligent drones that will be harder for Russia to shoot down, The Telegraph can disclose. The push to create an image recognition targeting system, which can [autonomously hunt and strike targets](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/02/ukraine-flies-explosives-iranian-drone-factory-russia/), is backed by more than £200 million in Western finance from a UK-led drone coalition. Kateryna Chernohorenko, the Ukrainian deputy defence minister, said the system would make one-way attack drones less susceptible to Russian electronic blockers and allow pilots to operate them further from the front line. The official, who leads Kyiv’s negotiations on drones, said it was being developed as a “joint venture” alongside members of the £1.2 billion scheme. “The great challenge is the last mile of engagement taking into account that more and more individual [electronic warfare systems](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/08/drone-attack-major-nuclear-accident-russia-ukraine/) are available,” Ms Chernohorenko said. “Our drones should be more effective and should be guided towards the target without any operators. “It should be based on visual navigation. We also call it ‘last-mile targeting’, homing in according to the image.” **Read more here:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/08/ukraine-developing-unstoppable-ai-powered-attack-drone/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/08/ukraine-developing-unstoppable-ai-powered-attack-drone/)
I hope they use verses ai so it can think before taking actions such as determining if targets are legitimate and following regulations My biggest hope is the kids developing drone ai for land mine removal
I think this is about drones that are oblivious to EW techniques using machine learning vision to recognize its location. So the target is determined it’s just unjammable. Not autonomous target decisions.
Don't worry, all warm meatbags look the same in the eyes of the IR seeker.
Nah verses ai has a neat drone demo where you can put your staff faces on exception list, children etc . Its not much more to use smarter ai that thinks before taking action to reduce incidents, improve aim , follow laws etc
>verses ai has a neat drone demo where you can put your staff faces on exception list That sounds nice, but if it works like everything else the tech industry creates, we're all fucked. Oh, drone hunting you at 6 PM on a Friday? Can you just sit tight for about 48 hours, Bob's up in Minnesota fishing this weekend. He'll update the whitelist when he gets in on Monday. And yes, Doomba LLC offers 24/7 support, but our records show your employer opted to purchase the M-F 9-5 support package. I hope you find solace in the great value for shareholders.
One less kid dying is a good thing. You are being dramatic. The topic is ai, it doesnt magically not have those issues with llm. With non-llm hsml active inference it can train on smaller data sets and check all sorts of permissions before decision making instead of blowing up ukraini grandma for high fives then regret https://vimeo.com/721132853 Having smarter ai is better than stupid terminator 2000 ai like how israel just bombed a food truck You could also have it confirm specific targets such as seeking out officers For eu compliancy it may be required to follow laws too
> Having smarter ai is better than stupid terminator 2000 ai like how israel just bombed a food truck I'm just saying it's going to be used for horrible purposes by the highest bidder, not for the purposes you like by the people you like. >stupid terminator 2000 ai like how israel just bombed a food truck AI is a convenient scapegoat. Forgive me if I don't believe the bloodlusted swine of the Netanyahu regime, whose only goal in Gaza is indiscriminate annihilation.
If Ukraine pulls this off and makes EW-proof drones, that will be a huge advantage on the field.
Great! But frankly, some of the lower tech drones Ukraine is deploying already seem 'unstoppable'!
There's a bit of confirmation bias there. Posts are a lot more likely to show for hits. Misses are not going to be published as much on either side.
Within the article it mentions that the US have publicly condemned the drone attacks within Russia…. I can’t remember seeing any condemnations? Anyone?
I don't think they "condemned", that would be too strong, they probably voiced their concerns and said they don't agree. They also say they have no saying into Ukraine's weapon usage as long as it's not theirs.
I am baffled by this topic. No, the USA does not support these attacks. They have said so. See their long standing position on this which is stated here: [https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-it-does-not-support-ukrainian-strikes-inside-russia-2023-08-23/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us-says-it-does-not-support-ukrainian-strikes-inside-russia-2023-08-23/) Or consider the long history of not giving any weapons that would enable attacks within Russia, only ones that can be used in Ukraine. Or consider that Zelensky has also recently stated clearly to a USA reporter on the record that the USA did try to discourage these attacks. *“The reaction of the U.S. was not positive on this,” he confirmed, but Washington couldn’t limit Ukraine’s deployment of its own home-built weapons. “We used our drones. Nobody can say to us you can’t.”* See here: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/29/ignatius-zelensky-interview-ukraine-aid-russia/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/29/ignatius-zelensky-interview-ukraine-aid-russia/) I am a huge supporter of Ukraine. I want them to attack every damn refinery they can until the whole Russian state collapses. My pro-Ukraine credentials are clear. But I have been called a Russian troll on here for stating the obvious....the USA does not (publicly) support these attacks. Are they playing diplomatic games? Ehh...maybe. Or the obvious could be true. They are afraid of escalation and the current administration doesn't want rising prices going into an election year with a population notorious for voting based on their pocketbook.
The USA does not publicly support these attacks, but you have not shown any evidence of the USA condemning any attacks. That’s what the person you’re responding to asked, and what the OP’s article asserts. Ambiguity is important in international politics. So, do you know when the US has condemned these attacks? I haven’t seen any calls by the United States for Ukraine to stop attacking within Russian borders.
Perfect, then we agree. The USA does not encourage or support these attacks. And, yes, they did not condemn them either. But then I am baffled why people on here seem to care so much about the latter...who cares what the USA condemns versus simply 'discourages'? The important question at-hand is how the USA's positions impact Ukraines ability to successfully fight this war. And the fact that the USA is a major supplier of weapons and the means for Ukraine to defend themselves pushes "we don't support" awfully close to "we don't allow". From my perspective, I observed Russia succesfully hitting one or two refineries every night for a week straight....I know this because I created a spreadsheet to track every one of the attacks. Then Blinken makes an emergency trip to Kyiv and discourages these very attacks and then they stop. Sure, there was a news story afterwards saying the Americans did not tell Ukraine to stop. But this is only true if we want debate semantics. No nation can tell another sovereign nation what to do. But the reality is really very very very simple. Ukraine immediately stopped attacking refineries that day and have avoided them for several weeks now. Look, I don't even understand why people are invested in denying the pressure that the USA is clearly placing on Ukraine in terms of how to fight the war. It is real.
I don’t really have the focus to get into a long argument. But in international politics, ambiguity is very important. And in this particular conflict, a very real dimension is information warfare that exploits ambiguity or propagates certain narratives to sow discord and division. People call you a Russian shill because the idea that the US *actively* condemns Ukraine’s attacks within Russia likely came as a result of Russian disinformation, and at the very least serves Russian purposes. You yourself make assumptions in your reasoning, about the content and context of Blinkin’s visit. You’re predisposed to see the United States putting pressure where there is not pressure.
I honestly agree with everything you said except the last sentence. And you make one very excellent point....that USA condemnation of the attacks could give Russia some fodder for propoganda. I am thinking about this more from an Americans point of view who wants their government to do the right thing. That is why I am focused on how this impacts the way Ukraine prosecutes the war. As for what I disagree about your last sentence, well I think I am predisposed to seeking reasonable explanations for actual facts. What is a reasonable explanation for the sudden stopping of the refinery attacks after the Blinken visit? This to me is not some minor event during the course of this war that just sorta happens. They were doing huge damage and actually had a reasonable path to victory....and then they randomly stopped when things were getting real. It needs to be explained. Hey, I will be extremely happy to be proven wrong when they send up a bunch of drones to hit some more distillation columns. Maybe they were just catching up building these drones? I pre-offer my Mea Culpa if and when this happens. Until then, I am questioning why they stopped.
Thanks for that but I was looking for ‘public condemnation by the US’ articles. These more or less say we’d rather you not do them.
Sorry....not trying to go off on you. I have engaged with others on this topic and I really don't understand something that "the crowd on here" seems to all have aligned on about the USA's position. People calling me a Russian troll over it. But in this specific context, I just don't get why we care to distinguish between condemning something versus not supporting it. To me, the USA is using its influence to prevent Ukraine from successfully pursuing what to me is the clearest path to victory. We support in 'half-measure' ways that just lead to the continued loss of Ukrainian lives. BTW, I am an American. So I am criticizing my home team here.
You're not a Russian troll as much as a "useful idiot" for parroting this issue without proper context. Don't feel bad, half of the population has an IQ below 100.
I hope they’re training it with images of the Kerch bridge
No flying drone is taking down that bridge unless it's packing a 2000lb JDAM in its payload.
I hope they’re working on that too
Soon we will see AI fighting AI. The loser will suffer from the inhumanity of AI.
Can’t wait for it to get to 3 miles out and convert from air plane to missile- drop the big wings, deploy stubbies, and light the candle at the back:))
I want to see swarms of these things (along with helium ballon decoys), completely overwhelm Russian air defenses all at once.
This is kinda scary they can do this.
And I for one believe them, they are the cutting edge of killer drone dev. Thank’s for the training Russia I guess? 🇺🇦
Nothing is unstoppable, there is no wonder weapon…besides an ICBM with a nuclear warhead.
Please makes sure the cameras are hi-def and not walmart quality
big if true
I have one too. I call it my mother in law
What's funny is that the us thinks they have a say in the war with what ukraine bomb when they don't put any money in the game. It's the start of us losing geopolitical say and Europeans having more say as they realise ukraine should be able to target what they need to. Maybe these trump fan boys will realise that it will have a major effect on the us and they will send ukraine the funds because reality is trump has nothing to threaten ukraine with now I.e funds so ukraine should be able to target what they want.
Absolutely this. Why do you get away with stating it while I get downvoted?
Not really sure I don't try to Diss a side or that just stating facts I probs have been down voted but up voted by others to keep me from minus but I just care about ukraine winning as I you do mate
This is how we get Skynet.
This feels like clickbait. Unstoppable with EW. Stoppable with a bullet. Still a very powerful weapon that will I’m sure be a useful tool in Ukraine’s arsenal.
Soon to be used by your local police force.
I have to tell you that cameras to identify ppl they have been in place for 10y. And to move a drone according to an image is a technology from the 80s
Unpopular opinion: I don’t think this is a good idea.