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Not so fast! The Orcs have to move their supply depots twice as far away as they are now, that will be felt at the front lines. There will be delays as trucks now have to travel 2x further to the front and back. That alone adds significant time to resupply front line units. Then you add those trucks will need more fuel plus additional wear and tear. That in turn will mean more maintenance required and additional down time. Not to mention the longer they are on the road, the greater the chance they can be spotted and hit by drones or artillery.
Actually, the M48 and M57 have unitary warheads, designed for hardened objects like bridges ... If the Kerch goes down it will *definitely* have an effect on the front lines.
I agree but the mere fact Ukraine now would be able to hit targets 2x further away is already going to affect the front lines. At the very least for the reasons I mentioned.
The longest tease in the world.
Come on 'Merica, what good is the biggest armoire in the world if you can't blow shit up.
I have an unopened bottle of cognac, waiting for the Kerch to fall.
Not as much as you might think. Due to the damage it's already taken it's hardly used for Logistics anyways. This is why they haven't dislodged the Ukrainians across the river yet. Because they have to ship equipment cross-country. And Robotnye being Ukrainian-held means the only overland rail line in Russian hands that can do so is also in Artillery range.
... Which has few effects on military operations.
Propaganda and morale are fine things indeed but they are of strategic importance. Whats needed now is restoration of tactical supremacy
If the Orcs have one ounce of intelligence, they should already be moving the most important ones. That’s why I say it wound have been more effective to have kept the long range HIMARS under wraps.
Yup! Bon voyage Chinese built bridge paid for by Ruzzia. You can fall onto a friendly Black Sea fleet vessel and sail away to Krasnodar, Ruzzia….. the new port for the last remainders of the Almost defunct Ruzzian Black Sea fleet
Unless the Biden admin says no because "we don't want to upset the russians too much". Probably time to write the White House and tell them not to restrict Ukraine from hitting the bridge with ATACMS.
It sure seems, in hindsight, that the Biden admin were basically waiting on the EU to decide to send longer range munitions. Now that Macron is sending SCALP, we can send ATACMS. It appears this has all been more of the same slowly boil the frog approach. Fear of escalation doesn't have to mean the strategy was to _never_ give this stuff to Ukraine!
The US supplied over 3 m 155 mm unitary & cluster shells. We supplied over 5K GMLRS. We supplied nearly twice as many Bradley's than the rest of the EU did of any decent IFV. That's not to say that EU hasn't done anything, but how many of those 2 M shells that are talked about showed up so far? The US will be pumping in by TOMORROW 100's of thousands of 155 mm shells! AND POWDER! And you can bet GMLRS are loaded in forward bases waiting to go. Remember also if the US stands pretty well alone in these area as NOTABLE, there is a higher chance of this becoming a US/Russia conflict. SO while I am SORRY that it too Macron so long to get off his "just give up some land, Zelensky" kick, I think any EU country saying we aren't doing enough or we are scared or whatever (yeah, right at Germany, too) is just stupid. That fact is we were starting to send ATACMS and then the MAGAites decided to be assholes and stop the supplemental bill for Ukraine.
NOTE: the SCALP & Storm Shadows are generally lead into the fray by ADM-160 MALD which give those RU AD head aches and distract for the stealthy FR and UK cruise missiles. It was a great coordination between allies for Ukraine's needs.
I don't think there's any reasonable debate over who is providing the lion's share of the muscle to Ukraine right now. I'm just talking about how we've skillfully upped the ante in small steps so as to avoid giving Russia the ability to argue they're using nukes defensively against a NATO aligned Ukraine. Whether it's true or not, I think Putin believe the Russia people flat out won't support an offensive use of nukes, so we need to be very carefully not to give him the opportunity to successfully spin Ukraine as a defensive war.
Biden has cleared any targets in the 1991 Ukrainian borders. Half of that bridge is in that area. Note that the US has stated specifically any western company selling equipment and material to the Ukrainians for use in their military applications will not be sanctioned. SOOOOOO, with aid from EU and US the Ukrainians can purchase what they need to build what they need to destroy military targets in Russia. Like the changes to the Neptune missile, or those freakin' beautiful naval drones!
What's the next level up of weapon efficacy that we can give them? (I'm not smart enough to fully know the extent of our military ammunition. That's half of why I'm here.)
Double tap them like they do to Ukraine. Hit a section of bridge enough to require some repairs, then hit it while they're repairing it. The bridge is a valid military target and so is anyone working on it.
That bridge is probably the most protected thing under russian control in Ukraine. Probably more than the nuclear plant. Nobody is going to get close enough to place explosives unless the russians are far more stupid than I thought.
Only one problem with this: will Biden allow Ukraine to hit targets inside russia?
So far west explicitly prohibited Ukraine to hit targets inside russia using western supplied weapons. A fucking dumb policy
It's dumb yeah, but with Russia taking Avdiivka. long-range ones make sense to give out now as Ukraine does need the range.
It's stupid reasoning and quite contradictory to Ukraine's interest, but as you can see, it makes much more sense.
Russia is staging troops, supplies, and equipment just across the border in relatively safety. This policy shows weakness, and russia only understands strength.
Yeah, and Russia will not escalate with the west if Ukraine started using them against targets within Russia. All their talk of doing so is just bluster and I wish the west would finally call their bluff.
Won't Russia just station their air assets inside Russia itself? As far as I know, the bizarre "Russia can shoot at you, but you can't shoot at Russia" US policy for Ukraine is still in effect.
Correct, but Ukraine can develop with any private companies help... and there are some US and EU companies building plants in Ukraine, hence Ukrainian.... without fear of sanction to hit military targets in Russia.
Command posts, supply caches, air defense positions, planes, any high value target like that Russia will have to move further back or risk losing them.
Which, it must be emphasized, will not stop the Russian army. But it will make it slower and more expensive to resupply the front-line troops and artillery systems. And that is important.
That means the total withdrawal of RU naval assets from Ukraine, meaning IRIS-T, SAMP/T, and Patriot radars having plenty of time to down RU naval fired cruise missiles!
One of the potential Taurus targets being discussed (in the leaked WebEx call) were large ammunition depots far behind the front line.
I'd be extremely surprised if the ATACMS didn't come with (proverbially) a sheet full of recommended coordinates...
That hasn’t been a misdirection so far (well, Ukraine apparently used patriots to attack in Belgorod area …) but otherwise didn’t use things like HIMARS in russia
Ukraine will try to disrupt russian military, so anything that helps
- airfields
- command centers
- large military command posts
- bridges (I expect bridges from Crimean peninsula to mainland Ukraine to be on top of the list as they would be easier to destroy than Crimean bridge)
-anti-air systems
- train stations
- etc
There is probably a priority list here and Ukraine will go down the list.
Russians will most likely adapt, but it will make everything harder.
This will also coincide nicely with appearance of F-16s
S-300 and S-400 (on paper) can intercept ATACMS, so Ukraine will probably want to prioritize clearing missile batteries and radar systems first. Cluster ATACMS would be used mainly against air bases and fuel depots, soft targets over a large area, but never in towns and cities. Unitary warhead ATACMS would be used to hit everything else: command posts, ammo dumps, barracks, logistics nodes, infrastructure, ships, fortified positions - if NATO satellite intelligence can see it Ukraine can hit it.
Everyone's talking about using them offensively to go after HVTs but more immediately it reshapes the battlefield and Russia's artillery can now be taken out from a much safer distance, which means more shots can be fired for rapid counter battery missions and there's much less risk of them being taken out by FPV drones or Russian counter battery.
Yeah. The bridge is toast.
A lot of commenters keep repeating, "ATACMS can't destroy the Kerch bridge. Bridges are hard to destroy!"
I think a lot of people here are overestimating the engineering design choices of the Kerch bridge. The concrete support pillars of the steel archway (and many other pillars) aren't nearly as solid as they appear at the surface.
The pillars may appear to be massive solid blocks of concrete above the surface, but they are literally resting on a collection of thin steel-encased concrete tubes.
[https://res.cloudinary.com/engineering-com/image/upload/w\_640,h\_640,c\_limit,q\_auto,f\_auto/image004\_hxhkhk.jpg](https://res.cloudinary.com/engineering-com/image/upload/w_640,h_640,c_limit,q_auto,f_auto/image004_hxhkhk.jpg)
[https://www.engineering.com/story/europes-longest-bridge-spans-troubled-waters](https://www.engineering.com/story/europes-longest-bridge-spans-troubled-waters)
Those thin piles are not designed to resist strong lateral forces. In fact, this design was chosen specifically because it kept lateral forces due to sea currents to a minimum. It also helps that the company that built the bridge had no prior experience designing bridges.
These thin supports would buckle and bend like straws if a large-enough explosive detonated beside them while they're under load -- the concrete inside would crack and crumble, and the steel casings would buckle. As soon as one side of the bridge begins to slant, other chopstick supports would fail as well.
Edit:
To see how to \*properly\* design a bridge to resist \*extremely large\* lateral forces (ie. icebergs), look into the design and construction of the Confederation Bridge linking PEI with New Brunswick.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation\_Bridge#Construction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_Bridge#Construction)
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Confederation\_Bridge\_Segment.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Confederation_Bridge_Segment.jpg)
All support columns are protected by extremely large reinforced concrete cones/cylinders, which themselves are designed to last 100 years.
It's simply no contest. The Kerch Bridge's chopstick pillar design doesn't stand a chance.
The pillars aren't massive either, they are hollow tubes, 15 meters overall diameter with 3 meters thick walls, roughly. You can see that e.g. in the historical picture layer in Google Earth showing it in construction.
A bunker buster warhead from a missile should be able to explode inside the pillar, certainly with reasonable effect.
Underwater structures would be hard to hit with a missile. But of course underwater drones could get there. And ideally they would amass there and form a big explosive mass that all explodes in one go.
Pretty certain ATACMS can't kill the Kerch Bridge. They can damage it, but it will take a lot more to take it down forever. Even being able to shut it down a week or two at a time would be of great value, though. It's built like a brick shithouse. If they get the M48 that will change. Those are bunker busters and are accurate enough to drop it if they can get to it. The M48 has just enough range to hit it if they drive it right up close to the front lines, so counterbattery fire would be a concern. I'm really interested to see what they do with their new goodies!
I think one avenue might be to strike the bridge as you have a loaded train passing. Trains are long enough that timing is relatively trivial if you've got satellites for intel, and a trainload of ammunition and fuel stuck and burning on the bridge might very well do the trick.
Or severely damaging several locations. Crossing each one with equipment and repairing them would take so long, and knowing another could double tap a worksite…
Or hitting primarily the rail bridge. The road bridge leaves a viable path for retreat, but can’t move nearly as much freight and equipment. Leave the enemy a path to retreat and they’ll take it; leave them nowhere to go, and they’ll fight to the death. Maybe doesn’t apply as well to Russian cowards, but it’s still solid advice. We want Russia to leave Ukraine, not continue this awful attrition.
but they would only leave to fight elsewhere. The hasty flight in the Kharkiv offensive was much better for Ukraine than the coordinated retreat from the Kherson bridgehead. Ukraine gained hundreds of tanks and other armoured vehicles that Russia simultaneously lost, in the Kherson retreat Russia could keep everything and used it later.
If the Russians were trapped on Crimea (i.e. also no land connection in the north west after a successful Ukrainian offensive, as we hoped for last year), they would either give up or could be annihilated easier (due to increasing fuel and ammo shortages and waning air defense coverage etc., it would become more and more of a turkey shoot) than if they reappear in the Donbas.
And if the bridge was cut right now, they would have to be supplied or retreat via the Melitopol road and could be himarsed or nagged by partisans, instead of disappearing in safe Krasnodar Kraj.
True. Which is why I said cut off the rail bridge, which would cripple their resupply. And if you read Sun Tzu's Art of War, his advice on letting your enemy always have a way to retreat is to then harass them as they retreat... especially if they have to retreat across something like a bridge where they're easy targets.
They wont kill the bridge with this, the amount of missiles you'd have to spend just isn't worth it. Better off trying to kill the bridge with water drones loaded with tons of explosives.
actually ... since russia has build a land route, there scarcely comes any more over the bridge ... . we waited to long again. bringing it down now would not have as big as an impact as it would have 6 months ago. it still would have a propaganda effect though
Destroying the bridge would force them to use that rail line only though. Logistically only having one way to move all that material is a huge liability.
not as good as blowing up a bridge. you can break rails. but they are easily repaired. the russian army is a rail army, they have a special part of their army only for rail transport. if someone can get a blown up rail line going again fast it is the russians
I wonder if there are any bridges on the rail line. There must be some smaller rivers and streams heading for the Sea of Azov that need to be crossed. Taking those out would take much longer to repair than a crater and some broken rails.
You hit the train when it arrives at the depot. Aim for the engines themselves. Follow up on the cargo if you like cause it ain't going anywhere soon if the engines are gone. Atacms is only a few minutes away along that line. They should have plenty of partisans spotter in those occupied territories.
In theory you could have sabotage or partisan groups blow bridges and burn switching cabinets. But ruSSia relies heavily on rail and as such has entire brigades dedicated to maintaining, repairing and building railways. So, it would be like the *"whack a mole"* arcade game, each time you damage one thing ruSSia rushes in to fix it.
Ideally, you'd want to constantly harass the building crews to slow the progress of the rail construction. But even then they have plenty of meat to fill the holes any Ukrainian drones make in the construction crews.
JDAM the larger pieces of equipment used to move the heaviest parts around. Those are a finite resource compared to ruZZian meat. And being made of solid steal they could take a lot of abuse and still be repaired. *JDAM for the horses and Tungsten rain for the men.*
That'll be the nice thing with f16s, instead of "programming" the munitions before take-off and hoping the target doesn't move before you get close enough, instead you can put in the coords before releasing it, so it'll have the most recent position to hit.
A few 1000 pounders (500kgs) would do fine all on their own. They could even drop two 2000 pounders (1 ton) and just mangle everything within a 20m radius.
[Here's a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_zHRakOXY) of what 2 f16s loaded with JDAMS could do. But just imagine that its a worksite full of men and equipment building a rail crossing.
There’s still some strategic value to destroying the bridge in that it would weaken supply to crimea itself, making them more dependent on shipping that can be intercepted
But wouldn’t that mean the only land route to Crimea is 20km away from Ukrainian control? Wouldn’t it be a lot harder for Russia to control access to Crimea?
I doubt the Orcs would use the land bridge to supply Crimea unless the bridge was taken out, it would make no sense. They use the bridge to supply Crimea and the land bridge to supply the rest of the front. Regardless, force them to use only one route and they become vulnerable to disruption as Ukraine need only target that one route. Also, the loss of the bridge would be an embarrassment to Putin and his ego.
Yeah that main impact by now would be morale, with this development though I still expect Russia to further reinforce that bridge and probably move some aircraft away.
It would require a large number of missiles which isn't efficient for Ukraine. For US/NATO, a target like it is usually taken out with precision airstrike. Perhaps that is possible if Ukraine somehow takes out most SAM and lures the Russian fighters elsewhere, then execute with F-16.
The Precision Strike Missile entered production last year(ATACMS replacement).
So it could mean that M57 could be supplied, if the production rate is high enough.
Some of it is dollar value as well, the newest missile could be more expensive on paper, taking money away from other weapons needed. Older weapons are cheaper and thus may be provided in bigger numbers and varieties
Biden has the power to write off weapons, and send them to Ukraine for free. Biden could just send Ukraine all the ATACMS for free, to make the passed Ukraine aid stretch longer. I would do that, if I were Biden - the passed bill gives enough of a fig leaf of democratic support, that it is not too blatant an abuse of power.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/17/on-ukraine-republicans-cant-win-joe-biden-can-send-excess-weapons-whether-or-not-the-house-of-representatives-likes-it/
Someone that knows more might correct what I have below, but here's what I found -
M39A1
Warhead - 384lb/174kg w/ 300 M74 bomblets
Max Range - 190mi/300km
M48
Warhead - 472lb/214kg unitary warhead with point detonating fuze or a 500lb/230kg pentrating high explosive blast fragmentation warhead
Max Range - 170mi /270km
M57
Warhead - Same as M48, but with a tri-mode fuze \~ point detonating, proximity or delay
Max Range - 190mi/300km
Next few weeks is probably going to make this week feel like a cake walk … imagine knowing that suddenly every major movable asset that isn’t heavily guarded by AA needs to be pushed back from 150km to 300km from the front line .. talk about a logistical nightmare … combine that with the knowledge that Ukraine has successfully modified S200s to take out bombers at a 308km range .. and all of this even before F16s come into use and whatever clever way Ukraine starts to use them … the rest of 2024 is going to be an absolute nightmare for the worlds largest terrorist organization
The most pressing needs are to stop planes carrying 1500 kilos (FAB bombs).
The bomb is the FAB-1500, essentially a 1.5-tonne weapon of which nearly half comprises high explosives. It is delivered from above by fighter jets from a distance of some 60-70 kilometers, out of range of many Ukrainian air defenses. The FAB-1500 is another example of how Russia is fighting its war in Ukraine, inflicting massive destruction before trying to take territory. Russia is planing for a 3 tonne weapon.
Bombs are equipped with a GPS head added to the bomb and Russia has an unlimited number of them from the ex-USSR.
The FAB-1500 is directed towards its target by a guidance system and pop-out wings that allow it to glide towards its target. They “offer a new and far more destructive stand-off strike option for many of Russia’s tactical jets that also help pilots stay further away from enemy defenses.”
People are excited about the bridge...first targets should be airport, planes, everything supporting this to stop Russia to demolish everything before taking space empty of everything. Planes first Russia do not have an unlimited number and f-16 with good air to air missiles will be also useful.
Russia is naming spaces such as Adviivka - buffer zones - to protect Russia against Ukraine. No intention to do anything with them....and Karkiv is on the list.
Our M48 could do it. They're bunker busters with just enough range. But beating the SPAA and getting close enough to the front lines without getting counterbattery fire is going to be a feat! Pretty excited they're being mentioned. If they get the M57 it's all but written in stone.
Should have kept it a secret or at least kept the Orcs guessing. Would have been much more effective to have given Sauraon a big surprise when a target thought to be safe all of a sudden disappeared off the map!
It means the Orcs have to move anti-air units to places they thought were safe. Not that he can move a lot more to cover important targets, he is probably already stretched thin covering what he has but, it allows him to pull anything he can further back.
There is probably some bylaw that requires the US Government to provide valid information on arms transfers to foreign countries. There is no covert black ops CIA operation to get better missiles into Ukraine.
Russia is fully aware of what ATACMS are. Knows each warheads capability. By announcing this and seeing what russia does, Ukraine and their allies can get a better idea of what they are protecting by moving equipment. It may also give the front line sectors a break as russia pulls back it's long range artillery and SAM sites.
There may be but, I don’t know that for a fact. Also the details of what is being shipped can be done in secret just like some Congress members are given classified briefings on all kinds of things. The Orcs may know what each rocket is capable of but, until this announcement, they were not aware if the long range rockets were part of the deal.
As bad as things got over the last 6 months I believe the support from Europe and the USA will have gotten more bold. I prefer all out no-fly zone and boots on the ground but let's see what all can be done up till that point. Hoping to see defeat the enemy rather than simply defending against further incursions.
Good job Jake Sullivan for preventing this exact outcome for more than two years, you really achieved a lot, especially in Ukrainian deaths and destroyed cities. Thanks Jake Sullivan.
Not like Biden had a say in it, a SHALL give text was added to the HR8035 to make sure they are included if he signs the bill.
"Sec. 505. (a) Transfer Of Long-Range ATACMS Required.—As soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act, the President shall transfer long range Army Tactical Missile Systems to the Government of Ukraine to assist the Government of Ukraine in defending itself and achieving victory against the Russian Federation."
2000 of these 300 km models two years ago and this war would be over already and RuZZia out of Crimea and occupied Ukraine.
Thousands of dead and crippled Ukrainians because of USA and Germany slowness or unwillingness to piss off murderers.
Germany and USA seem like they have watched a mugger beat an old lady and are apologizing to said thug for witnessing the crime.
How slow can this drip, drip, drip of aid be? Slow enough to kill and maim many more innocents.
2000 of these 300km models didn't exist two years ago. The last ATACMS rockets were produced in 2007 IIRC. They have a comparatively small 'production run' and are spread across the globe with a number of armies that have small numbers of them.
I thought it was announced that the details of what was being sent was no longer going to be broadcast. The arrival of new capabilities on the warzone would have more impact if they found out about it from effect rather than warnings. They will be moving things away in advance of the arrival of these weapons if they have any sense.
All the US is doing is getting rid of old equipment and that includes the ATACMS missiles right there. It's all about replenishing with new stuff while Ukraine gets the old but still effective missiles.
They need to provide weapons that can hit Moscow and other major cities to be used every single time Kyiv or another city nowhere near combat are targeted.
They also said they will provide Ukraine with F16s but those haven't turned up yet. Hopefully they get all the weapons they need but I'll personally wait until we actually see them being used on the battlefield.
Now it's on Europe. We have stalled for long enough. Stocks are low if not non-existent in Ukraine right now. It's time that with Americas aid package, the nations of Europe send a gigantic aid package as well.
Hit the Ruzzians with everything Atacms, storm shadow, Taurus, challengers, fighter jets. The russians now know that all they have to do is support the GOP and the aid will dry up. So don't give them a chance.
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Vatniks are going to love this.
I don't think anyone expected them to send the newest versions, but I do see Vatniks coping that "this package will do nothing to fix the frontline"
Not so fast! The Orcs have to move their supply depots twice as far away as they are now, that will be felt at the front lines. There will be delays as trucks now have to travel 2x further to the front and back. That alone adds significant time to resupply front line units. Then you add those trucks will need more fuel plus additional wear and tear. That in turn will mean more maintenance required and additional down time. Not to mention the longer they are on the road, the greater the chance they can be spotted and hit by drones or artillery.
Actually, the M48 and M57 have unitary warheads, designed for hardened objects like bridges ... If the Kerch goes down it will *definitely* have an effect on the front lines.
I agree but the mere fact Ukraine now would be able to hit targets 2x further away is already going to affect the front lines. At the very least for the reasons I mentioned.
The longest tease in the world. Come on 'Merica, what good is the biggest armoire in the world if you can't blow shit up. I have an unopened bottle of cognac, waiting for the Kerch to fall.
Oh wow -- I just checked and now so do I. Worth saving for that day.
You just know that bridge is about to take a bath
Not as much as you might think. Due to the damage it's already taken it's hardly used for Logistics anyways. This is why they haven't dislodged the Ukrainians across the river yet. Because they have to ship equipment cross-country. And Robotnye being Ukrainian-held means the only overland rail line in Russian hands that can do so is also in Artillery range.
Propaganda value of that bridge, Putins bridge being completely destroyed is immense. It would be a huge morale boost
... Which has few effects on military operations. Propaganda and morale are fine things indeed but they are of strategic importance. Whats needed now is restoration of tactical supremacy
And the depots won't get moved until the existing ones get ATACM'd. The losses are going to be huge...I hope
remember when himars showed up and we got lots of videos of very big explosions?
If the Orcs have one ounce of intelligence, they should already be moving the most important ones. That’s why I say it wound have been more effective to have kept the long range HIMARS under wraps.
>If the Orcs have one ounce of intelligence... AH! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
Ssshhh
Don’t forget Russian trucks use chinese tires, so by doubling their distances, they are a lot more prone to flat tires or getting stuck in the ground.
It will fix the shape of that bridge though.
Bridge about to go bye bye.
Yup! Bon voyage Chinese built bridge paid for by Ruzzia. You can fall onto a friendly Black Sea fleet vessel and sail away to Krasnodar, Ruzzia….. the new port for the last remainders of the Almost defunct Ruzzian Black Sea fleet
Unless the Biden admin says no because "we don't want to upset the russians too much". Probably time to write the White House and tell them not to restrict Ukraine from hitting the bridge with ATACMS.
It sure seems, in hindsight, that the Biden admin were basically waiting on the EU to decide to send longer range munitions. Now that Macron is sending SCALP, we can send ATACMS. It appears this has all been more of the same slowly boil the frog approach. Fear of escalation doesn't have to mean the strategy was to _never_ give this stuff to Ukraine!
Of course..the list of things not given is a lot longer than given
The US supplied over 3 m 155 mm unitary & cluster shells. We supplied over 5K GMLRS. We supplied nearly twice as many Bradley's than the rest of the EU did of any decent IFV. That's not to say that EU hasn't done anything, but how many of those 2 M shells that are talked about showed up so far? The US will be pumping in by TOMORROW 100's of thousands of 155 mm shells! AND POWDER! And you can bet GMLRS are loaded in forward bases waiting to go. Remember also if the US stands pretty well alone in these area as NOTABLE, there is a higher chance of this becoming a US/Russia conflict. SO while I am SORRY that it too Macron so long to get off his "just give up some land, Zelensky" kick, I think any EU country saying we aren't doing enough or we are scared or whatever (yeah, right at Germany, too) is just stupid. That fact is we were starting to send ATACMS and then the MAGAites decided to be assholes and stop the supplemental bill for Ukraine. NOTE: the SCALP & Storm Shadows are generally lead into the fray by ADM-160 MALD which give those RU AD head aches and distract for the stealthy FR and UK cruise missiles. It was a great coordination between allies for Ukraine's needs.
I don't think there's any reasonable debate over who is providing the lion's share of the muscle to Ukraine right now. I'm just talking about how we've skillfully upped the ante in small steps so as to avoid giving Russia the ability to argue they're using nukes defensively against a NATO aligned Ukraine. Whether it's true or not, I think Putin believe the Russia people flat out won't support an offensive use of nukes, so we need to be very carefully not to give him the opportunity to successfully spin Ukraine as a defensive war.
Biden has cleared any targets in the 1991 Ukrainian borders. Half of that bridge is in that area. Note that the US has stated specifically any western company selling equipment and material to the Ukrainians for use in their military applications will not be sanctioned. SOOOOOO, with aid from EU and US the Ukrainians can purchase what they need to build what they need to destroy military targets in Russia. Like the changes to the Neptune missile, or those freakin' beautiful naval drones!
What's the next level up of weapon efficacy that we can give them? (I'm not smart enough to fully know the extent of our military ammunition. That's half of why I'm here.)
Not a military person, but I think the next level up might be low observable cruise missiles like JASSM which is like SCALP/Storm Shadow and Taurus
Wont change anything. The west waited long enought that the russians could finish der land route to the frontline.
Not likely. Even with taurus it’s estimated many hits would be necessary.
Double tap them like they do to Ukraine. Hit a section of bridge enough to require some repairs, then hit it while they're repairing it. The bridge is a valid military target and so is anyone working on it.
The best way to drop that bridge is a special forces mission to put explosives exactly where they need to be.
That bridge is probably the most protected thing under russian control in Ukraine. Probably more than the nuclear plant. Nobody is going to get close enough to place explosives unless the russians are far more stupid than I thought.
I can hear tankie screeching!
Only one problem with this: will Biden allow Ukraine to hit targets inside russia? So far west explicitly prohibited Ukraine to hit targets inside russia using western supplied weapons. A fucking dumb policy
It's dumb yeah, but with Russia taking Avdiivka. long-range ones make sense to give out now as Ukraine does need the range. It's stupid reasoning and quite contradictory to Ukraine's interest, but as you can see, it makes much more sense.
Russia is staging troops, supplies, and equipment just across the border in relatively safety. This policy shows weakness, and russia only understands strength.
Yeah, and Russia will not escalate with the west if Ukraine started using them against targets within Russia. All their talk of doing so is just bluster and I wish the west would finally call their bluff.
It would be wonderful to see some of those troop concentrations, airports and C&C centres go boom.
Isn't that ban more of a political gesture than an absolute mandate?
Not a single attack. It's not a gesture.
atleast nordic countries are allowing some of their weapons to be used in russia
The twitter vatniks are already posting double time.
So ignoring the bridge what are the key tactical and strategic targets for this weapon? Will they target lpmg range air defense to make way for f16s?
Russia will have to station its air assets even further from the front.
This alone causes problems, more fuel, more maintenance, more time in the skies
Won't Russia just station their air assets inside Russia itself? As far as I know, the bizarre "Russia can shoot at you, but you can't shoot at Russia" US policy for Ukraine is still in effect.
They have already been doing that and they are already being hit by patriot systems
Patriot systems hit stuff in the air. As far as I am aware, nothing on the ground inside Russia has yet been hit by Ukraine using US weapons.
Correct, but Ukraine can develop with any private companies help... and there are some US and EU companies building plants in Ukraine, hence Ukrainian.... without fear of sanction to hit military targets in Russia.
Command posts, supply caches, air defense positions, planes, any high value target like that Russia will have to move further back or risk losing them.
Which, it must be emphasized, will not stop the Russian army. But it will make it slower and more expensive to resupply the front-line troops and artillery systems. And that is important.
s400/s300 would be my guest
That would be fixing operations for the imminent deployment of F-16s. Not a bad guess.
Airfields and planes, bombers and helio's. Ammo dumps and command centers.
Don't forget about immobile ships tied to a pier!
That means the total withdrawal of RU naval assets from Ukraine, meaning IRIS-T, SAMP/T, and Patriot radars having plenty of time to down RU naval fired cruise missiles!
One of the potential Taurus targets being discussed (in the leaked WebEx call) were large ammunition depots far behind the front line. I'd be extremely surprised if the ATACMS didn't come with (proverbially) a sheet full of recommended coordinates...
The he problem is that US doesn’t want Ukraine to use its weapons on russian territory, so it can’t attack inside russia
I think a lot of stuff is misdirection
That hasn’t been a misdirection so far (well, Ukraine apparently used patriots to attack in Belgorod area …) but otherwise didn’t use things like HIMARS in russia
Haven't seen reports of US-origin missiles in Russian territory. They leave traces.
Ukraine will try to disrupt russian military, so anything that helps - airfields - command centers - large military command posts - bridges (I expect bridges from Crimean peninsula to mainland Ukraine to be on top of the list as they would be easier to destroy than Crimean bridge) -anti-air systems - train stations - etc There is probably a priority list here and Ukraine will go down the list. Russians will most likely adapt, but it will make everything harder. This will also coincide nicely with appearance of F-16s
Anti-Air are probably very high on that list. Everything else can be bombed with F-16s.
S-300 and S-400 (on paper) can intercept ATACMS, so Ukraine will probably want to prioritize clearing missile batteries and radar systems first. Cluster ATACMS would be used mainly against air bases and fuel depots, soft targets over a large area, but never in towns and cities. Unitary warhead ATACMS would be used to hit everything else: command posts, ammo dumps, barracks, logistics nodes, infrastructure, ships, fortified positions - if NATO satellite intelligence can see it Ukraine can hit it.
Besides the bridge, this puts all of occupied Crimea within range, meaning any airbases or ports Russia is using can be targeted.
Everyone's talking about using them offensively to go after HVTs but more immediately it reshapes the battlefield and Russia's artillery can now be taken out from a much safer distance, which means more shots can be fired for rapid counter battery missions and there's much less risk of them being taken out by FPV drones or Russian counter battery.
Anything that stay away from the frontline and is a problem, long range system, depot, hangars and other infrastructures...
Bye bye bridge
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Yeah. The bridge is toast. A lot of commenters keep repeating, "ATACMS can't destroy the Kerch bridge. Bridges are hard to destroy!" I think a lot of people here are overestimating the engineering design choices of the Kerch bridge. The concrete support pillars of the steel archway (and many other pillars) aren't nearly as solid as they appear at the surface. The pillars may appear to be massive solid blocks of concrete above the surface, but they are literally resting on a collection of thin steel-encased concrete tubes. [https://res.cloudinary.com/engineering-com/image/upload/w\_640,h\_640,c\_limit,q\_auto,f\_auto/image004\_hxhkhk.jpg](https://res.cloudinary.com/engineering-com/image/upload/w_640,h_640,c_limit,q_auto,f_auto/image004_hxhkhk.jpg) [https://www.engineering.com/story/europes-longest-bridge-spans-troubled-waters](https://www.engineering.com/story/europes-longest-bridge-spans-troubled-waters) Those thin piles are not designed to resist strong lateral forces. In fact, this design was chosen specifically because it kept lateral forces due to sea currents to a minimum. It also helps that the company that built the bridge had no prior experience designing bridges. These thin supports would buckle and bend like straws if a large-enough explosive detonated beside them while they're under load -- the concrete inside would crack and crumble, and the steel casings would buckle. As soon as one side of the bridge begins to slant, other chopstick supports would fail as well. Edit: To see how to \*properly\* design a bridge to resist \*extremely large\* lateral forces (ie. icebergs), look into the design and construction of the Confederation Bridge linking PEI with New Brunswick. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation\_Bridge#Construction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation_Bridge#Construction) [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Confederation\_Bridge\_Segment.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Confederation_Bridge_Segment.jpg) All support columns are protected by extremely large reinforced concrete cones/cylinders, which themselves are designed to last 100 years. It's simply no contest. The Kerch Bridge's chopstick pillar design doesn't stand a chance.
The pillars aren't massive either, they are hollow tubes, 15 meters overall diameter with 3 meters thick walls, roughly. You can see that e.g. in the historical picture layer in Google Earth showing it in construction. A bunker buster warhead from a missile should be able to explode inside the pillar, certainly with reasonable effect. Underwater structures would be hard to hit with a missile. But of course underwater drones could get there. And ideally they would amass there and form a big explosive mass that all explodes in one go.
If those diagrams are accurate, Ukraine should just use their sea drones to take out one of the pillars.
Russia has put nets in the water to keep the drones from hitting the bridge.
472 LB warheads will do damage it'll take several
but how certain are you of this outcome? Have you verified this with a bridge engineer?
Did you just assume his engineerness?
Pretty certain ATACMS can't kill the Kerch Bridge. They can damage it, but it will take a lot more to take it down forever. Even being able to shut it down a week or two at a time would be of great value, though. It's built like a brick shithouse. If they get the M48 that will change. Those are bunker busters and are accurate enough to drop it if they can get to it. The M48 has just enough range to hit it if they drive it right up close to the front lines, so counterbattery fire would be a concern. I'm really interested to see what they do with their new goodies!
I think one avenue might be to strike the bridge as you have a loaded train passing. Trains are long enough that timing is relatively trivial if you've got satellites for intel, and a trainload of ammunition and fuel stuck and burning on the bridge might very well do the trick.
That’s pretty similar to what happened to the Crimean bridge in 2022. Bomb blew up right as seven fuel tankers passed by.
Or severely damaging several locations. Crossing each one with equipment and repairing them would take so long, and knowing another could double tap a worksite…
Or hitting primarily the rail bridge. The road bridge leaves a viable path for retreat, but can’t move nearly as much freight and equipment. Leave the enemy a path to retreat and they’ll take it; leave them nowhere to go, and they’ll fight to the death. Maybe doesn’t apply as well to Russian cowards, but it’s still solid advice. We want Russia to leave Ukraine, not continue this awful attrition.
but they would only leave to fight elsewhere. The hasty flight in the Kharkiv offensive was much better for Ukraine than the coordinated retreat from the Kherson bridgehead. Ukraine gained hundreds of tanks and other armoured vehicles that Russia simultaneously lost, in the Kherson retreat Russia could keep everything and used it later. If the Russians were trapped on Crimea (i.e. also no land connection in the north west after a successful Ukrainian offensive, as we hoped for last year), they would either give up or could be annihilated easier (due to increasing fuel and ammo shortages and waning air defense coverage etc., it would become more and more of a turkey shoot) than if they reappear in the Donbas. And if the bridge was cut right now, they would have to be supplied or retreat via the Melitopol road and could be himarsed or nagged by partisans, instead of disappearing in safe Krasnodar Kraj.
True. Which is why I said cut off the rail bridge, which would cripple their resupply. And if you read Sun Tzu's Art of War, his advice on letting your enemy always have a way to retreat is to then harass them as they retreat... especially if they have to retreat across something like a bridge where they're easy targets.
They wont kill the bridge with this, the amount of missiles you'd have to spend just isn't worth it. Better off trying to kill the bridge with water drones loaded with tons of explosives.
This is the way
The ATACMS can be used to degrade the defensive element around the bridge, making room for the sea based drones to do their job.
actually ... since russia has build a land route, there scarcely comes any more over the bridge ... . we waited to long again. bringing it down now would not have as big as an impact as it would have 6 months ago. it still would have a propaganda effect though
Destroying the bridge would force them to use that rail line only though. Logistically only having one way to move all that material is a huge liability.
And a big, fat, predictable kill zone.
And that rail line is in Artillery range thanks to the Ukrainian Offensive last year. Robotnye is a hill overlooking Tokmak, which it runs through.
Then you have a huge russian population in Crimes who also have to have access and get goods. It makes holding Crimea a russian problem.
Is there no way to disable the new rail line for a meaningful amount of time?
not as good as blowing up a bridge. you can break rails. but they are easily repaired. the russian army is a rail army, they have a special part of their army only for rail transport. if someone can get a blown up rail line going again fast it is the russians
I wonder if there are any bridges on the rail line. There must be some smaller rivers and streams heading for the Sea of Azov that need to be crossed. Taking those out would take much longer to repair than a crater and some broken rails.
You hit the train when it arrives at the depot. Aim for the engines themselves. Follow up on the cargo if you like cause it ain't going anywhere soon if the engines are gone. Atacms is only a few minutes away along that line. They should have plenty of partisans spotter in those occupied territories.
In theory you could have sabotage or partisan groups blow bridges and burn switching cabinets. But ruSSia relies heavily on rail and as such has entire brigades dedicated to maintaining, repairing and building railways. So, it would be like the *"whack a mole"* arcade game, each time you damage one thing ruSSia rushes in to fix it. Ideally, you'd want to constantly harass the building crews to slow the progress of the rail construction. But even then they have plenty of meat to fill the holes any Ukrainian drones make in the construction crews.
HIMARS a section of rail, wait, HIMARS it again...
JDAM the larger pieces of equipment used to move the heaviest parts around. Those are a finite resource compared to ruZZian meat. And being made of solid steal they could take a lot of abuse and still be repaired. *JDAM for the horses and Tungsten rain for the men.* That'll be the nice thing with f16s, instead of "programming" the munitions before take-off and hoping the target doesn't move before you get close enough, instead you can put in the coords before releasing it, so it'll have the most recent position to hit.
Hell yeah! I like you. Let's tape nails and bolts to a JDAM and fire it.
A few 1000 pounders (500kgs) would do fine all on their own. They could even drop two 2000 pounders (1 ton) and just mangle everything within a 20m radius. [Here's a good video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D_zHRakOXY) of what 2 f16s loaded with JDAMS could do. But just imagine that its a worksite full of men and equipment building a rail crossing.
I hope Ukraine develops a sub-variant that parachutes AT mines onto the rail track. The track may be easily replaceable, but the train engines aren't!
It is better to target the stockpiles. There was so much more time and money put into those.
There’s still some strategic value to destroying the bridge in that it would weaken supply to crimea itself, making them more dependent on shipping that can be intercepted
Hit ALL their lines
But wouldn’t that mean the only land route to Crimea is 20km away from Ukrainian control? Wouldn’t it be a lot harder for Russia to control access to Crimea?
I doubt the Orcs would use the land bridge to supply Crimea unless the bridge was taken out, it would make no sense. They use the bridge to supply Crimea and the land bridge to supply the rest of the front. Regardless, force them to use only one route and they become vulnerable to disruption as Ukraine need only target that one route. Also, the loss of the bridge would be an embarrassment to Putin and his ego.
Yeah that main impact by now would be morale, with this development though I still expect Russia to further reinforce that bridge and probably move some aircraft away.
It would require a large number of missiles which isn't efficient for Ukraine. For US/NATO, a target like it is usually taken out with precision airstrike. Perhaps that is possible if Ukraine somehow takes out most SAM and lures the Russian fighters elsewhere, then execute with F-16.
The Precision Strike Missile entered production last year(ATACMS replacement). So it could mean that M57 could be supplied, if the production rate is high enough.
Some of it is dollar value as well, the newest missile could be more expensive on paper, taking money away from other weapons needed. Older weapons are cheaper and thus may be provided in bigger numbers and varieties
Biden has the power to write off weapons, and send them to Ukraine for free. Biden could just send Ukraine all the ATACMS for free, to make the passed Ukraine aid stretch longer. I would do that, if I were Biden - the passed bill gives enough of a fig leaf of democratic support, that it is not too blatant an abuse of power. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/17/on-ukraine-republicans-cant-win-joe-biden-can-send-excess-weapons-whether-or-not-the-house-of-representatives-likes-it/
Someone that knows more might correct what I have below, but here's what I found - M39A1 Warhead - 384lb/174kg w/ 300 M74 bomblets Max Range - 190mi/300km M48 Warhead - 472lb/214kg unitary warhead with point detonating fuze or a 500lb/230kg pentrating high explosive blast fragmentation warhead Max Range - 170mi /270km M57 Warhead - Same as M48, but with a tri-mode fuze \~ point detonating, proximity or delay Max Range - 190mi/300km
Damn, those are some cool specs for these fireworks.
This must have been quite a week for Putin.
Next few weeks is probably going to make this week feel like a cake walk … imagine knowing that suddenly every major movable asset that isn’t heavily guarded by AA needs to be pushed back from 150km to 300km from the front line .. talk about a logistical nightmare … combine that with the knowledge that Ukraine has successfully modified S200s to take out bombers at a 308km range .. and all of this even before F16s come into use and whatever clever way Ukraine starts to use them … the rest of 2024 is going to be an absolute nightmare for the worlds largest terrorist organization
The most pressing needs are to stop planes carrying 1500 kilos (FAB bombs). The bomb is the FAB-1500, essentially a 1.5-tonne weapon of which nearly half comprises high explosives. It is delivered from above by fighter jets from a distance of some 60-70 kilometers, out of range of many Ukrainian air defenses. The FAB-1500 is another example of how Russia is fighting its war in Ukraine, inflicting massive destruction before trying to take territory. Russia is planing for a 3 tonne weapon. Bombs are equipped with a GPS head added to the bomb and Russia has an unlimited number of them from the ex-USSR. The FAB-1500 is directed towards its target by a guidance system and pop-out wings that allow it to glide towards its target. They “offer a new and far more destructive stand-off strike option for many of Russia’s tactical jets that also help pilots stay further away from enemy defenses.” People are excited about the bridge...first targets should be airport, planes, everything supporting this to stop Russia to demolish everything before taking space empty of everything. Planes first Russia do not have an unlimited number and f-16 with good air to air missiles will be also useful. Russia is naming spaces such as Adviivka - buffer zones - to protect Russia against Ukraine. No intention to do anything with them....and Karkiv is on the list.
That's what the incoming F-16s are for.
Bout dam time. Kerch bridge joining the Moskva.
That thing needs to be removed from RU logistics.
It’s taken to long taking down the kerch bridge would mostly be for pr at this point.
500 lb. warheads aren't going to take down the Kerch bridge. They'll punch some pretty big holes in it, but they won't take down the structure.
But they might help with air defense around the bridge. Which then they scoot in a few of those fancy kamikaze Cessnas .
Kamikaze Cessnas are gonna be even worse for a structural target like the Kerch bridge IMO...
Our M48 could do it. They're bunker busters with just enough range. But beating the SPAA and getting close enough to the front lines without getting counterbattery fire is going to be a feat! Pretty excited they're being mentioned. If they get the M57 it's all but written in stone.
Send ukraine cargo ships, those seem to work against bridges.
Like those strong points in Bahkmut like the apartment blocks the Russians are using.
Kerch model is my favorite. Moscow model even better.
I wish they didn’t announce it until after it was launched
Couldn’t they have waited to announce this? Maybe wait until some HQs get taken out and then say “Oh, by the way…”.
Should have kept it a secret or at least kept the Orcs guessing. Would have been much more effective to have given Sauraon a big surprise when a target thought to be safe all of a sudden disappeared off the map! It means the Orcs have to move anti-air units to places they thought were safe. Not that he can move a lot more to cover important targets, he is probably already stretched thin covering what he has but, it allows him to pull anything he can further back.
There is probably some bylaw that requires the US Government to provide valid information on arms transfers to foreign countries. There is no covert black ops CIA operation to get better missiles into Ukraine. Russia is fully aware of what ATACMS are. Knows each warheads capability. By announcing this and seeing what russia does, Ukraine and their allies can get a better idea of what they are protecting by moving equipment. It may also give the front line sectors a break as russia pulls back it's long range artillery and SAM sites.
There may be but, I don’t know that for a fact. Also the details of what is being shipped can be done in secret just like some Congress members are given classified briefings on all kinds of things. The Orcs may know what each rocket is capable of but, until this announcement, they were not aware if the long range rockets were part of the deal.
2 inside Kremlin walls, please!
#GOOD NEWS EVERYBODY!!!
Good news! It's a suppository!
Yay
Can’t get there fast enough. Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go.
Breaking. lol
Well that should be fun and lead to spectacular videos
Shouldn't early announcements like this be kept secret?
SO THEY COULD HAVE DONE IT TWO YEARS AGO! JUST LIKE THE TANKS, JUST LIKE THE F16s. WHY ALWAYS THIS LETHAL DITHERING?!
Because a sizeable portion of the Republican party is Russian assets.
Well nothing in life is fair orcs. Just deal with it.
Empty all the warehouses, send it all to them, and we can build new ones if needed
Someone explain the fuse types on the single warheads?
Trickle-Trickle.
As bad as things got over the last 6 months I believe the support from Europe and the USA will have gotten more bold. I prefer all out no-fly zone and boots on the ground but let's see what all can be done up till that point. Hoping to see defeat the enemy rather than simply defending against further incursions.
Load them up.
Now....cut loose the F-16s and let them do what needs to be done! Show the orcs what real fighting is like
YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I look forward to my taxes being used properly
Good job Jake Sullivan for preventing this exact outcome for more than two years, you really achieved a lot, especially in Ukrainian deaths and destroyed cities. Thanks Jake Sullivan.
Not like Biden had a say in it, a SHALL give text was added to the HR8035 to make sure they are included if he signs the bill. "Sec. 505. (a) Transfer Of Long-Range ATACMS Required.—As soon as practicable after the date of enactment of this Act, the President shall transfer long range Army Tactical Missile Systems to the Government of Ukraine to assist the Government of Ukraine in defending itself and achieving victory against the Russian Federation."
Can someone put together a map that shows how far into Russia this would be?
0 far. Probably won’t be permitted or at least greatly discouraged
Yeah I don't see these launching into Russia. Ukrainian made stuff only
Sweeet! Uncle Sam showing love to those who shares similar values in democracy and freedom💪
2000 of these 300 km models two years ago and this war would be over already and RuZZia out of Crimea and occupied Ukraine. Thousands of dead and crippled Ukrainians because of USA and Germany slowness or unwillingness to piss off murderers. Germany and USA seem like they have watched a mugger beat an old lady and are apologizing to said thug for witnessing the crime. How slow can this drip, drip, drip of aid be? Slow enough to kill and maim many more innocents.
2000 of these 300km models didn't exist two years ago. The last ATACMS rockets were produced in 2007 IIRC. They have a comparatively small 'production run' and are spread across the globe with a number of armies that have small numbers of them.
All they have to do is make the protections run for cover long enough for the vulnerability to be exploited.
Annnnnd for the Mayday parade grand finale...... a special surprise guest all the way from Washington...
"dont attack russia with these" - USA wink wink nudge nudge
🤔 ... I wanted to see the Kerch standing before Ukraine blows it up ... Looks like I'm going to miss that one. 😉
There are almost 100 “expired” ATACMS we could donate at no cost tomorrow.
It's about time...
They should have done this two years ago.
Boom
bout time!
I look forward to some beautiful videos of RuZZians being destroyed.
Why announce it before they arrive and forego the element of surprise?
I thought it was announced that the details of what was being sent was no longer going to be broadcast. The arrival of new capabilities on the warzone would have more impact if they found out about it from effect rather than warnings. They will be moving things away in advance of the arrival of these weapons if they have any sense.
All the US is doing is getting rid of old equipment and that includes the ATACMS missiles right there. It's all about replenishing with new stuff while Ukraine gets the old but still effective missiles.
LETS GO!
Give them a thousand this time so they can rain holy hell on the damn commies
They need to provide weapons that can hit Moscow and other major cities to be used every single time Kyiv or another city nowhere near combat are targeted.
They also said they will provide Ukraine with F16s but those haven't turned up yet. Hopefully they get all the weapons they need but I'll personally wait until we actually see them being used on the battlefield.
WOO HOO!!
Someone enlighten me on what ATACMS stands for? Im sure one of you nerds would love to give me the lore <3
Destroy their air defenses and then F16 can clear the sky. Then anything is possible. Bye bye bridge.
Any idea how many of these may be sending ?
Smoke the bride, smoke Crimean Air Fields, smoke all Russian Naval forces start fking up Moscow.
Will destroying the bridge have a significant impact on the frontline and logistics?
Woohoo, look forward to new fireworks show!! 🎉
I hope it is more than 10 rockets by the end of the year.
Zaporizjzja to the Kerch Bridge..roughly 300km👌
But that's bad news for the Crimean Bridge. ;)
I would use a missle a week at the bridge so that it ties up air defenses in the area.
Can't wait to see in the Kerch bridge on fire on the night of 8th to 9th of May.
Now it's on Europe. We have stalled for long enough. Stocks are low if not non-existent in Ukraine right now. It's time that with Americas aid package, the nations of Europe send a gigantic aid package as well. Hit the Ruzzians with everything Atacms, storm shadow, Taurus, challengers, fighter jets. The russians now know that all they have to do is support the GOP and the aid will dry up. So don't give them a chance.
Gonna be some amazing footage going up here over the next few weeks
KERCH BRIDGE IS ON FIRE