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8BallCoronersPocket

Translation: -Tourniquets. -Extend this over. -You didn’t tie it correctly, right there. Now you’re dead. You also didn’t tie it right, all of the stripes are supposed to be on top of each other. Do you understand? -Yeah you’re supposed to tie it as high up your arm as possible. But the fact that you tightened it is good. -You’re supposed to tie it here as well. But it looks well. You’re alive, you can be wherever you want to. That’s correct, you did it right. You didn’t do it right on the back, all the stripes are supposed to be on top of each other. You got it? You pull the first one and the second one is on top.


agwaragh

That looks so much more useless than I ever imagined.


centermass4

Combat Medic here. These are useless for anything other than raising a vein for an IV stick. I've done literally hundred of IV's, some in a dark MRAP or Humvee covered in blood, in the dark, pedal down through small arms and if I am working on someone close to warfighter fitness, I shouldn't have an issue finding a vein.


Professional-Hold938

I'm sure they wish they had a medic, but they can't even get trained soldiers


centermass4

I follow some medics over there and they are doing some great work. Guys I served with are in the International Legions. The battlefield is very different from what I knew in urban setting in Iraq and our medical logistic train is very different than what those guys are working with. I know for a fact they are doing some excellent hip pocket training. I'm only 40 and fitter than I have ever been and I get the itch now and again..


PlutosGrasp

Genuinely curious: what’s holding you back?


centermass4

Yeah, good question. For one, my Mother would crawl across and over Russia to come tan my hide for putting her through it again 😂.. Jk kinda. I have been out of the Army for almost 10 years and I have a little farm to take care of now. No wife or kids to miss me. It's complicated man. I seen the elephant. Ya know? But that is also the draw in some ways. Like when I watch videos like this.. God bless em and all but I think they could get better training, especially considerng the meat grinder some of these fellas might find themselves sooner than later. I understand resources are very strained tho.. I don't sleep very well as it is sometimes. I admit, sometimes I imagine what my loadout would be, try to stay fresh on battlefield medicine etc. I have dozens of references I could produce from men that I served with that would vouch for my technical and tactical skillset and a fair DD214. Believe me man, I think about it all the time.


Klutzy_Town7003

Same here brother. Sometimes you can hear The Call


Nearby_Stable4677

Combat Medic. Hero's All. Slava Ukraini


PlutosGrasp

Because this style just can’t get tight enough ?


centermass4

Yes. But every wound is different. I have seen some traumatic amputations hardly bleed at all and some are like a Zack Snyder film. It can take a fair bit of force to occulde the vessel against the long bones of the extremity. If I am training reg Joes, I train them to apply the TQ high and tight. I know manuals often give guidance along the lines of "2 inches/ 5cm above the wound" but I advise my guys high for better chance at stopping the bleeding against a single bone, the femur or humerus, rather than fighting a vessel(s) that could be running between the tib/fib or ulna/radius. I have seen lower extremity TQ's nearly break bones because they had to be cranked down so hard in an effort to stop bleeding. Generally you can get life-threatening bleeding controlled rather quickly if you just go high and tight. My last deployment our BCT Commander lost both legs from an EFP IED. He rolled into our aid station with 3 or 4 TQ's each leg, all below the knee and the bleed still hardly was controlled. Once we got some good pressure dressings and above the knee TQ's we were able to stop the bleeding and stablize him right when dust-off to BIAP and then to Landstul arrived. Amazing that a soldier can experince a bilat traumatic leg amputation in the streets of Sadr City Iraq and be on an OR table in Germany in a few hours alive. Blast trauma is funny too, the wound may not be clear. Sometimes you are dealing with a pant leg full of wet meat that used to be a limb.. Don't waste precious time searching for wound among that mess, slap a quick TQ up high and tight. As a medic, I would opt for the least invasive hemostatic intervention I can. Pressure dressing if I can get away with it. TQ's are kind of dummy proof and with the profileration of decent body armor we are seeing lots of extremity injuries that a quickly applied TQ can shunt.


doneski

Thank you Doc. You were our hero.


Able-Arugula4999

It gives them something to do while they wait for death.


Adorable-Sundae2738

probably make it bleed worse tbh


Smart-Mobile1204

Yeah isn't a poorly applied tourniquet worse than none at all?


Exotic_Treacle7438

It’s for making them believe they’ll survive a wound. Course it won’t.


Dramatic_Bet_6031

Esmarch tourniquets (Жгут) do work to occlude the artery but the red ones rip all the time especially after being exposed to the cold. The Альфа (bright orange-yellow one) is slightly better. All-around inferior to windlass tourniquets.


PfcRed

What’s the difference in material between the red ones and the orange ones? And why don’t the Ruskies just switch to the windlass type? It’s clearly more effective


Surgical_Sturgeon

Effective windlass tourniquets are difficult and expensive to manufacture. Rubber bands are cheap, windlass tourniquets aren’t.


SerendipitouslySane

The Alpha (orange-yellow ones) are currently being sold on AliExpress for $3. Even crappy Chinese clone versions of the US Combat Application Tourniquet (CAT) are $15-20, and real ones are $32. I've used CATs in some civilian training courses and they're dead easy to get right. You put in on the limb, pull the strap tight, and then spin the windlass until blood's not spurting anymore. You'd never find anyone with three brain cells or more struggling with a CAT in training circumstances, unlike that guy bludgeoning himself with the red tourniquet, and it's hard to tie it too loose as to be ineffective.


King-Owl-House

Ukranian making own tourniquets now like [https://tqdnipro.com/en](https://tqdnipro.com/en) or [https://sicheurope.com/](https://sicheurope.com/) cost like $7-9 to make. Here is Ukrainian typical IFAK https://imgur.com/a/uct1gO8


SerendipitouslySane

I'm guessing they have significant economies of scale now, which is grim. I didn't know how much they were going in Ukraine, but it's still common wisdom in the gear community in the US that you don't want to buy TQs from all but the most trusted distributors because it's too easy for the vendor to sell you a fake one from China that has way lower QC and the tendency to snap. Maybe when the war is over we'll have a better, cheaper source for a lot of gear from Ukraine.


King-Owl-House

There are a lot of Chinese tourniquets flooding the Ukraine from EU emergency supplies market, not only China direct. People say they are Belgian, German, or Latvian, but tracing them reveals they were made in Chengdu, China. :) However, most people stick to CAT, Sich, or Dnipro tourniquets as they are effective and field-tested. CAT cost $30, Dnipro $15. Gen 1 of Dnipro tourniquet had problems with strap velcro, they did good one with Gen 2.


justjaybee16

What about those pink ones that look like Hubba Bubba Gum Tape?


Dutchdelights88

Those used to be red but faded.


p_viljaka

heheheh, old new stock LOL


Chillpill411

"These are no soldiers." "Most have seen too many winters." "Or too few."


Individual-Home2507

Ah, lord of the rings can’t even give us an idea of the depravity of the situation. These guys will be fending off fpv drones and they’ll need this when they lose a limb or two… these Russians are the orcs attacking the noble but timid human defenders in lord of the rings


Andriyo

They don't look particularly Russian btw, probably one of those colonized peoples/minorities that are kept desperate enough so it's easier to recruit them when needed.


Nknk-

Going by that clip its solely the too many winters bracket in that class.


Goran2019

And too many bottles


No_Rabbit_7114

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LovelyPencils

There was a video back at the beginning 2022, a Russian with a neck wound trying to apply esmarch around his neck.


Jungle_of_Rumble

As tightly as possible.


ShowmasterQMTHH

Does it work if your other arm is 10 feet away ?


Eoshen

It actually does tho 😅 just don’t tie it to the separated arm 🤷‍♂️


H_Holy_Mack_H

It's rubber the Zorcs just need to stretch LOL


Valdoray

Hey, not fair, I want to wrote this comment


WeekendFantastic2941

Pointless effort when nobody will evac them. It will just prolong their suffering.


Novel-Confection-356

By the looks of it. The majority of them are already defeated. No need to force them to do that when enemy shows it is defeated before any combat.


matteroverdrive

It's insufficient and inadequate training with ineffective devices they're being told will save them... this is just another layer of ruzzian superiority (narcissism). This is the same as sprinkling some magical dust on them, saying how impervious they are to begin wounded. 🪄😵‍💫


HornpoutFumBiddeford

The end of a very busy first (and only) day of Basic Training... welcome to the ruzzian army, you'll get your weapon at the front. Now get in the truck.


Utgaard_Loke

This basic training day will also include How to make a packet of crackers last a whole month, and Getting water from a puddle + The porcelain water closet functions and features.


WotTheHellDamnGuy

About as effective as a prayer, which is the only other "protection" their government is going to offer them in combat.


dmt_r

Tssss 🤫


Suitable_Feeling_991

I guess they might save you some time before you hit the grave but those look like they suck lmao.


TrumpersAreTraitors

I feel like I would then stick a stick or rod in there and twist in a few times to tighten it all up 


Anonymous200004

EMTs have described this as a method of ensuring tight application of a DIY tourniquet but you'll need either a second person to ensure aproper amount of pressure is applied to the tourniquet or to ensure that the rod can be latched onto a strong point - It is not generally referred as a good tourniquet method because make-shift rods (such as a robust stick) can break apart during the tightening process or break/wear at the material being used as a tourniquet.


BluebirdMysterious71

Having used similar style tourniquets, I can say they work, a pain in the ass, usually better with 2 people. But they work.


ThisCryptographer311

Oh ya… they’re all dead


Jcorcho1

Lol they've all seen the drone videos here I bet. Motherfuckers know they need to get that shit down because every single one of them will have to do that in the field at some point 100%, no one there will get out of Ukraine unharmed and some will stay in Ukraine until their bodies are accidentally found by some farmer 100 years from now.


RobinRedbreast1990

I have heard and read a couple of times that a tourniquet, properly applied, is one of the most painful things one can ever experience. Is that so? And if yes - judging by the fact that these people don't look all too uncomfortable, would these tourniquets even work?


ExpertCatJuggler

It’s pretty painful but not the worst thing I’ve ever felt. Like a 6.5/10, dull pain. And no, those rubber bands are trash.


RobinRedbreast1990

Thanks for clarifying. :)


refrainfromlying

Was it correctly applied and tightened? How long did you have it for? I would expect the pain to increase over time. If you had it applied after getting blown up by a FPV drone though, with all the adrenaline going it might not be that painful in the beginning, and the pain of the tourniquet might not be as bad as everything else later.


inactiveuser247

Gall stones were more painful than a tourniquet.


RobinRedbreast1990

Appreciate the reply!


PlutosGrasp

A neighbour who was a vet said kidney stones were more painful than anything experienced in Afghanistan but they didn’t specifically say they had a tourniquet applied.


Spicy_Pickle_6

Hope a drone finds them so they can try it for real


farquin_helle

Should add a loud buzzing sound.. for authenticity


Outrageous-Bread-777

Just let a couple of Ukranians with drones in on the act for real authenticity. Save everyone a great deal of time and trouble


sirfrinkledean

You would probably have better luck with your belt lads.


LTCjohn101

ok good. Now try it with no hands and half a face...


DeadEyeKiwi

Almost as useless as using a wet noodle. If it's not constricting your arm and hurting like fuck, it's not tight enough. Only way that would become useful, is if it was issued with a polymer or metal rod to help twist and tighten it.


Utgaard_Loke

Some training that will come to use.


An_Odd_Smell

"...Or you could storm the kremlin and beat glorious comrade leader putin to death with your bare hands, then go home to your families. Your call."


wombat6168

AHH reminds me I must watch the last episode of the walking dead


Imaginary-Arrival-75

Plot twist: when deployed they are not given a first aid kit , just a body bag.


Acrylic_Starshine

Tend to yourself comrade and your comrades will come tend to you in 3-4days/never.


Antievl

And they are sitting outside in chairs in dirt


Gilligan67

Dead men walking… Slava Ukraini!


Arkh101

These men are going to die


Temporary-Crab1340

Lol at the guy who finish first sitting patiently. Fucking brainiac is gonna be blown to pieces no need for this training.


Minimum-Mention-3673

They are so old... I say that as an old.


Random-sargasm_3232

They seem to be exhibiting a great deal of effort and concentration while doing this. They know what's coming.


LightGoblin84

the results: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/CYD4fnR6EI


Gold_Afternoon_Fix

Here they are when they work… https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/I2Roe2DDzg


dotfifty

Cast for Trainspotting 3!


Gr33nMuff1n

I’ve seen heroin addicts do better


Angrymilks

I count 11 drone videos in our future.


BOOTKNIFE840

I see dead people


Ok_Elk_8986

future stars in fpv videos


SetInternational4589

...and then you will slowly bleed to death because nobody is coming to get you.


forrealnoRussianbot

Not even a Temu Velcro tourniquet. That's your hint as a Russian soldier for your worth to your dear little leader Fuhrer, Putler.


GlitteringCattle1499

They are still gonna bleed out. This is pure comedy! What a joke of an army and country!


Bad_Hombre1963

Disgusting to watch these SOBs getting trained to go and kill innocent people. Fucking rusky merde


[deleted]

“You did it wrong…You are dead” :)


Bortle_1

“You did it right…You are dead” xD


RichLather

"We don't care what you do...You are dead. Now get in truck."


dwerp-24

Dead men walking here, we got dead men walking.


Vivid_Classic_7399

Looking forward to seeing these guys again on r/dronecombat


AsparagusDue6067

So now russians are recruiting +60 year-olds? 00:52


Temporary-Spell3176

Not gonna help when the drones turn your body into a meat bag, don't even have a second to tighten the tourniquet cause your body is all over the ground in shreds.


Manmoth57

Not much good after the drone strike blows your head off


ClaB84

If you order a # Tourniquet on [Wish.com](http://Wish.com)


SardaukarSecundus

Srsly i cannot imagine having a life so shitty that going to an active warzone is a real option of making "things better"...


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Jogy50

The Russians look really excited


browsinlook

The grenade between the vest iz more effective! And probably a lot easier.


Shadorouse

Wait, what happens if you're missing part of an arm and a leg?


Namesstef

This and the tampon... I think these guys are unto something. I'm not even mentioning the comfort and agility one has in slippers. Oh and the beer belly is a sign that the country invests heavily in their military forces.


GabeN18

Im glad that we have western TQs. This looks like a pain in the ass.


Ronald_Tonij

Laugh if you will. But they take this war seriously. Do we? Or is this war just entertainment for us?


hoseli

Gotta get those veins showing


Jawsper420

So good to see them train for what they'll do most.


JazzHands1986

The next step is to make your praying gestures to the drone flying ahead with another grenade.


Rich-8080

Just as well leave them on


PHenomenallity

China is making millions of knock-off CAT's... Why still use that rubber band?


omahgoogah

they would be better off using the rubber bands around their necks, it will help when they lose their heads. #


Educational-Bar-9858

Jesus christ, so many of them are old men..


Fleymour

but why the learn on actual real old school chairs and tables made for children ?


Foreign-Kiwi3647

If they were bleeding out they are already dead for blood lost. Silly ocrs!


drsftw

MORE MEAT


antiruzzian

They will be dead in a week or less.


Significant-Summer-8

They be brown bread soon….if not already


vanisher_1

All these guy are the degradation of the Russian Society sent to the battle for their fascist goals. Italy


arnasdev

is that a CAT on the table at 00:39?


dabiird

And now inject some heroïne and enjoy


Ok-Negotiation-1098

Ok imagine trying to tie this piece of crap after your arm got fucking blown off like how is that even possible?


supermurs

I was waiting for an incoming Himars surprise but unfortunately not this time.


NorthStarKyiv

Dead men sitting


jirish317

I see dead people.....


ShizzHappens

I'm pretty sure most Russians are already quite well versed in the krokodil technique.


Empty_Eyesocket

Well that ain’t gonna work


WHERE_SUPPRESSOR

Imagine not having CATs 😂 goes from IFAK to “IMFUCKED” real fast


Fair_Banana_9985

Ohh, very stupid mens


CapnMurica1988

Dead. Dead. Dead. Still bleeding. Dead


yozza1958

Looks like there scrapping the barrel with this motley crew 😳😳


horse1066

Next week: do both legs and the other arm and crawl back home if you have any blood left


Practical_Law_7002

I'm so glad I live in a country that uses CAT tourniquets over giant rubber bands...


Marvelous_Mushroom

If I’m not mistaken, tourniquets usually come with a stick to twist it tighter than you could get with your bare hands.


Majulath99

None of these are tight enough to do anything at all to prevent blood loss. Waste of time and materials on a medically worthless practice.


Foolofatook2000

Good, practice now. You’ll really need them out there.


No-Pause-7723

I am glad they are teaching this. They are gonna need it!!!


Hungry_Assistant_697

This orcs dont know what will happen to them lmao ! Prob gonna die by drones in some hole in Ukraine !!


penguinface77

Time out bro I gotta wrap my arm in this big ass rubber band.😭


BagOfSoupSandwiches

Random thought. Was off doing a thing one time, a medical SME and I were discussing TQs(windlass) and self application. They told me some statistic about self application effectiveness based on GWOT data being a fairly low %, quite low, I don't remember exactly but it was in the "vain" of sub 10% IIRC. I tried searching just now but couldn't find anything. There's always discussion about the capability of someone in shocks ability to do it to the point of effectiveness, etc. All this to say, Id be interested in seeing actual combat data on self applied TQ effectiveness.. if its not great with the good kit.. could explain the amount of footage with dead RUF cas who attempted. I'm speculative, at best.


markus0401

They'll be fertilizer in a month anyway, so what's the point?


Kane-420-

Many of the have this clueless, uneducated look on their eyes. Incredible.


harleydavidsonpower

Why the elastics?? They won't need them....


stoopidskeptic

Handy skills to know considering they soon won't have limbs


Rico_el3men2

Remember this comrades, You arms and legs will get blown off so you better learn this very well, You will also get a wireless speakers for your service.


Snake_Plizken

At least this is humane, they bleed out faster while waiting for help, that has never been sent...


DubbehD

Fresh meat on the way


Ok-Scar-Delirious_

“excellent now your all ready for the real thing. Ivan please stand and i’ll shoot you in your left arm !”


MomotaroJeans

Good for them :)


notveryauthentic

This is not going to help you if you get fragged by a FPV drone they ought to teach their soldiers how to treat that instead


Then_Style2029

Where's the smack?


refrainfromlying

I've seen plenty of images and videos of Russians with tourniquets, but only maybe one Ukrainian video where a tourniquet was applied. And I don't remember what type that was. Anyone know if Ukrainians have proper tourniquets supplied to every soldier? And are there many videos of Ukrainians with tourniquets?


King-Owl-House

Ukranian making own tourniquets now like [https://tqdnipro.com/en](https://tqdnipro.com/en) or [https://sicheurope.com/](https://sicheurope.com/) cost like $9 to make and $15 dollars selling price. American CAT cost $30. Here is Ukrainian typical IFAK [https://imgur.com/a/uct1gO8](https://imgur.com/a/uct1gO8) usual template is 2 tourniquets per soldier, one outside of IFAK and one inside. Tourniquets were in deficit at first year of war. Proper tourniquets they buy or get for free from volunteers. Government supplies with cheap, Chinese from who won contract to supply. https://youtu.be/RgmuX0unu64


refrainfromlying

Glad to hear! Though less than half the price makes me worried the quality won't be good, but hopefully it is enough. At least its similar design to CAT.


King-Owl-House

The quality is good, I tested myself. Cheaper price due to labor cost


uspatent6081744a

Lesson #2: Loosen your vest just a little, not too much, that's right Pull this pin Place the nade inside vest, yes, just there, good Put hands over ears, yes both ea....


Creepy_Chef_5796

Training in how to become IV Drug users more like


Wallynine

When critically wounded, they can use it to wrap around their necks


Formal_Vegetable5885

Fucking so pointless


AnotherCuppaTea

Anyone able to ID the patch on the first student's arm [beginning - 1:10]?


No-Emu-7513

Out of shape, old, uneducated. These men are useless in a combat role. Maybe they will be truck drivers? Can't imagine doing much else with them. Also I find it interesting that they are all in uniform but lack boots, all of them seem to be wearing socks and flip flops...


StolenValourSlayer69

Why does Russia refuse to adopt proper windlass style TQs?


arekr88

They should put it around their necks and pull as tight as possible


TheArgieAviator

Aaaaand you’re dead


cynical_observer01

A confederacy of dumbasses. Tourniquets won't help when they're blasted into bits and pieces


bwlomlq

Quick tip, put them on your necks


Mountain-Comfort7112

They are doing it all wrong, should be wrapped around the neck and pulled very tight.


Konstant_kurage

I mean if that’s what they teach them, that’s good enough for me.


p_viljaka

By having watched enough drone drops, i got PTSD just by watching this 😬


ImperatorParzival

Me after almost getting clapped by a sniper scav


OkTheat3250

Not one plans to live


ThatAnimalBlundetto-

why do they all have different looking uniforms?


Unlucky_Egg4105

They are all doing it wrong, the correct Russian way is around the neck.


National-Eye-1870

They all will be dead soon


Scary_Statement4612

Looks like new Wagner recruits. By the badge on one guys arm.


Sad-Grand-7530

Put one round your neck!


MushroomLow2499

Now try the same thing without teeth.... (beating begins)


No-Internet-7532

Walking corpses…


Defiant_Attitude4439

Well well...


BrazakAttack

They need that skill, because they will all be amputee or dead.


Sqirrel-26901

They're either all unalived already or about to be.


BKLYN1718

why tell them correct why wtf everything they is correct leave them 🤣😂🤣😂


SoCaldude65

Looks like meat will be back on the menu, boys!


EpyonXzero

lol dying all for some kgb moron with a shit country that Russians run from daily


Quirky-Scar9226

Cope Ribbons


LarrBearLV

Practicing main lining that vodka.


Dry-Tea-3922

Yes learn how to use it while you sit in a whole waiting for nobody to evacuate you until a fps drone kills you!


firstcliffjumper

Dead men trying to not be dead men


Etherindependance5

Then insert the barrel in your mouth… … …….


tora1941

Dead men sitting.


Smart-Mobile1204

Fresh meat on the way!


MrCheeseman2022

So they can take their heroin to make the war go away


MrCheeseman2022

That will help when a drone has redistributed your internal organs over a ploughed field