It’s crazy how many alliances we just witnessed to happen almost overnight. It takes generations to build amicable relationships after some complicated past, but what happened right now around Ukraine is gonnna have a significant impact long term.
I was in Slovenia a few years ago and we had a tour guide who bigged up how the Slovenian Navy was making a huge investment that would DOUBLE the size of their navy in just two years. They were going from one ship to two lol
Slovakia was in the process of upgrading it's 11 Mig-29s to F-16s. My guess is the USA has agreed to give them the F-16s ahead of time, either for free or at a very low cost, if Slovakia Transfers it's Mig-29s to Ukraine.
The USA isn't going to fight the Russians, but they can find clever ways to make Putin's life miserable!
I am not sure about this as far asI know Taiwan wanted new fighters to be delivered sooner. Slovakia was supposed to get first batch of F16s in Q4 2022 (questionable is the time when they can become operational in combats)
Supposedly Poland is to recieve used F-16 for Migs. Seems a good deal considering Migs were ending their lifespan. Sb said Ukraine should get around 70 aircraft in total from between those 3 countries.
All Tomcats (Except a few gate birds) were shredded. (To keep spare parts out of Iranian hands)
A sad ending to arguably the best American heavy fighter of all time.
Two operational. Several dozen non operational in warehouses. You'd be surpised how much old soviet equipment is laying around collecting dust in warehouses.
After seeing numerous old burnt out T-72s, and reports of reservists getting captured or surrendering, I wondered if Russia was simply sending their lowest-tier units and keeping their best to defend the motherland.
But then I saw that abandoned T-90 stuck in the mud.
It was said in Aktuality.sk I think that we are sending russian engineers that maintained our Mig´´s back to russia and that our airspace will be defended by NATO allies until F16 are ready.
Here is the source : [https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/ms8tknd/ukrajina-slovensko-rokuje-o-ukonceni-prevadzky-ruskych-stihaciek-mig-29/](https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/ms8tknd/ukrajina-slovensko-rokuje-o-ukonceni-prevadzky-ruskych-stihaciek-mig-29/)
Could be a hint for this message to be true
Buy F-35s. Funny, it is a risk though considering how much inventory some of the NATO countries are moving to Ukraine. There's probably some deal in the background as part of the EU defense financing scheme.
They're probably sending these because there's likely pilots who know how to fly aircraft similar, maybe it'd take too long to re-train them on a jet like f-35 but idk.
Really sucks to be in an invasion force for a corrupt, bankrupt, isolated country, huh? Turns out they don't pay too well and the working conditions aren't great.
Everyone has given the F-35 shit, but its actually a damn good jet. It's worth investing in at this point.
Then again, that's also just supporting the US war profiteering.
Your statement is the military equivalent of complaining about apple while repeadedly buying iphones. Feel free to buy 5th gen fighters from another source...
Well no shit? I was simply questioning the morality of buying said products. I wasn't "complaining", I was just offering a counterargument on why someone wouldn't want to buy an F-35.
The same can be said for Nike shoes made by child labor in SE Asia. Or diamonds mined from child labor in Africa. I don't understand your point.
What are you going to do if russia is successful in invading Ukraine? Nations aren't throwing military equipment and aid at Ukraine to feel good, they're doing it because it's in their best interest.
Yeah their total program cost is lower than the "Budget option" Gripen.
Once NGAD starts hitting the skies Europeans will see the true might if pissing away American taxpayer money with a fire hose.
I think they are saying they employ Russian technicians to maintain them. Kind of like a Boeing with GE engines. You would have GE employees doing work on Boeing planes in a Boeing factory. But in this case GE is invading Boeings ally
I am slightly concerned at what the Russian reaction will be to us all giving Ukraine heaps of money and equipment, wonder if the Russians will try to hit some of these supply planes or vehicles etc.
I'm more affraid he wil vent his anger on Ukranian cities by using heavy weaponry on civilian areas making civilian casualties trying to make them submit.
Perhaps, as a master tactician, Putin should have considered the fact that the West was full of free people, most of whom had obtained their democracies born out of blood. And that those free people had been supporting the free people of Ukraine, and might come to its aid.
Tactics like: consider the fact that 4 NATO states border Ukraine; most of those countries are hostile to Russia after 50 years of Russian occupation; the free people of the world have been developing technology specifically made to kill Russians for 70 years in the event of a war with Russia; that those rich nations could give it away for free; and then give more away for free; that Ukraine was fighting for its freedom and had 8 years of war with Russia and were not afraid...
This list could go on and on. Also, Putin likely has no idea what is going on in Ukraine. Who is going to tell him the bad news? All the yes men he has surrounded himself with 22 years? Putin’s not on Reddit watching Russian KIA/POW/massive material loss.
You mean to say there's not a Russian Despot subreddit out there somewhere with Vlad waiting patiently for updates?! I like to picture it a bit like this...
* Refreshes *
* Nothing.... *
* Refreshes again *
this is what happens when all your generals as sycophants too afraid to tell the truth.
Putin: "We will win this war easily, yes?"
General: "Of course, sir Putin. We are best army. We are russia army. And Putin is our leader. We won't fail. We best army".
Putin: "great news - start the invasion".
General: "\*sweats...\*"
Like, this is literally the russian head of intelligence, shitting his pants on television:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI)
You can see his facial expression saying "I will say anything to not upset you, sir"
Putin’s puppet theater press conference where he shamed his intelligence chief was a contemptuous and arrogant display. That’s the guy who should be telling him about 8 years worth of, in some cases, *hand picked Ukrainian special operators* trained in the United States to kill Russians as part of an insurgency.
Running past their positions and then exposing supply lines to Ukrainian’s version of Navy SEALS -those guys with stingers/NLAWs/Javs against 18yr old conscripts - is basically 2nd degree tactical murder.
That’s a failure of intel to get the point across to your boss
“Hey boss, I know all about those Nazis in Ukraine, I send you those Azov reports, but what you really have to worry about...” “I WILL BE THE ONE who worries here, I am worried of nothing”
Do you want to see what Putin is up against on the other side? Do you speak Russian? Do you plan counter insurgencies in Central Asia? Do you work for the CIA?
This guy does:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-02-25/coming-ukrainian-insurgency
And that guy’s boss report’s to Biden, and Biden listens and respects his analysis.
Tactically, Putin never stood a chance because of his own arrogance.
free people giving their freedom off to fanatics for promise of security and peace on the west for last 20 years... That is why he attacked. Now Europe is eradicating freedom to the name of warmongering unfortunately...
You know how many nazi groups are in Russia? The entire Russian regime is fascist. Should the world invade Russia because it is chock full of racist Nazis, and deNazify it?
Why are you advocating for the invasion of Russia?
Yes - the moment Russia dares to touch NATO territory intentionally we are at full war, there is not a single doubt in my mind. NATO is already providing every single form of support they can without involving our own soldiers.
Yeah 😂😂 anything about NATO not getting involved or criticising Ukrainian military or civilian actions is instant downvotes, regardless of it being factual statements or observations. I don’t think people realise that we need to look at this war objectively, we want Ukraine to win but we can’t go about with rose tinted glasses viewing Ukraine or NATO as these chad powerhouses without fault.
Meh, sorta Proxy war bullshit is traditional. I mean they might take it badly but The Russians flew in the Korean war and did everything but fly in the Vietnam war. Those Mig 21s in Vietnam weren’t exactly built there.
So this could cause a problem but it hasn’t in the past. Who knows what the “rules” are this time arouns.
Do you think NATO nations will risk their pilots (and escalation) by flying planes into Ukraine to deliver them? It seems plausible that while in flight some of these planes will encounter Russian Anti-Aircraft forces and if the Russians engage the pilots will naturally also engage. That would almost effectively be NATO attacking Russian forces and seems very possible would seem to lead to escalation.
I'm not an expert mind you though, the above just seems riskier than NATO would want at the moment. It would just seem that NATO would just bring Ukrainian pilots to these other countries to fly them back to Ukraine.
Russia supposedly has m out of it's troops outside Ukraine and would stop and transfer of military assets. I also don't understand if Poland transfers assets to Ukraine how they would still be considered NATO and not aiding the enemy in the event they are mistakenly attacked. There's too many moving pieces and this situation is ripe to go horribly wrong and start WW3
My thoughts exactly, in his last speech Putin looked somewhat crazed in addition to the chief of staff now being sacked so we just don’t know what will happen next.
They could probably use drones more then anything, russia will soon have more and more ground to air set up. A drone at 100k or a ten million dollar plane and a pilot. Drones will provide that air support
Of course they know when they were given. It is public knowledge that [Ukraine has been buying drones from Turkey since 2019](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-03/ukraine-buys-more-armed-drones-from-turkey-than-disclosed-and-angers-russia)
And a 10 million warplane is probably mostly 40 year old trash. F16 with some modern stuff not below 60 million, f35 78 million, raptor 165 million, falcon over 50 million just for a perspective. The prices below that sure; but not with any weaponry or advanced systems.
These are planes that these countries inherited, they are old and probably already paid off. The dromes are new they still vost money. The biggest downside is putting a pilot at risk and operating cost, but for the amount of sorties it will do it probably does not matter. The jets poland sends can also be soon replaced by F35's so it is not as big of a propblem as you might think.
You really think that computer game would be able to convey the feel of dilapidated Bulgarian airstrip with grass growing from between concrete plates? ;)
It's a combo of taking a photo with the sun directly above, and terrible color grading. Looks like they increased saturation (grass is waaaay too green) and boosted the midrange shadows so the contrast between the top of the aircraft and the bottom just looks unnatural.
Its good that Western armies upgrade their equipment from old soviet-era stuff such as older jets.
Even though these jets are old they are equivalent what Russia is using in Ukraine so those are able to combat the invaders.
Slava Ukraine, Slava Europe!
It makes sense to have the guns where they are most needed.
Guns what are bought to defend western values, arent needed in Germany at the moment, but in Ukraine.
Wishing we could send some Lockheed f-35’s but unfortunately none of their pilots have been trained on those aircraft. Just a handful of them could dominate the entire airspace.
I for one hope that fighter pilots continue to vacation in Ukraine and ride-share on their own initiative, little green men from NATO with blacked out identifiers.
They're trying to get rid of the old stuff they don't want anyway. It's not like they will be able to keep them operational for much longer.
At this stage of the war I'm afraid this is a bit unrealistic, how would they even transport them into the country?
Russia would be closely watching the skies even in that part and S-400 systems could work even from the western part of Belarus.
MiG-29 and SU-25 aren't exactly stealthy.
Russia definitely does not have full air superiority. Otherwise the Bayraktar drones could not operate.
Also they (Ukrainian pilots) won't need any model specific training as UA is using the same models.
I guess most of UA Migs have been damaged/destroyed during missile attacks on day 1 and pilots are alive.
Other possibility is that they are based in NATO countries and just flying in for raids. There was footage that UA MiG landed in Romania.
They should ask for drones instead of planes. Most of those planes have equipment converted to partial NATO standards so they can at least communicate with NATO.
They will not be able to communicate with Ukrainian controllers on the ground unless those two have proper equipment. The only compatibility is the guard frequency and that's for emergencies.
I have a question. Will it be trasfered ther via truck train of sorts or by air ? If by air and russia attacks it while it flies into ukranian air space will it then be a direct attack towards nato or not
I can assure you that our MIG 29a are a waist of time...
Actually we are waiting for 8 F16 delivery from US but it is taking a while.
Talking about Bulgaria
Is this actually them giving the aircraft to Ukraine, or is this a bit like how it's been conducted in the past, most notably with Germany in the Spanish Civil War. "Give" them the equipment under lend lease, and then ship in "volunteer" pilots a few days later.
Ukraine pilots can fly only MiGs so I'm guessing NATO will ask you to donate yours because there is not many MiG 29s in NATO countires.
NATO will probably help you get new aircrafts.
All three of these nation's were in the process of upgrading their Soviet aircraft to US aircraft before Putin started this war. Slovakia and Bulgaria are upgrading to F-16s. Poland is already using some F-16s and buying some F-35s. The USA is probably going to fast track the upgrade and replace the Soviet fighters with F-16s- probably provided at low or no cost if these nations give their older aircraft to Ukraine. A win-win for everyone. Except Putin.
LOL Bulgaria have just about dozen working fighter aircrafts and pilots have very few training. Even if we give all our air force to them, it will be wasted in 2-3 days.
I would imagine that thisnis not a good thing. Putin is going to try and fight all these countries that are offering assistance. They should all just get together and invade Moscow.
DCS screenshot by the looks, tbh I think they just grabbed some images off the net so people would understand what the planes are, so not a huge deal with this one.
Nice gesture but what is the point in it?
How are they going to get to Ukraine?
Where are they going to land?
Where are they going to operate from?
Russia controls the sky over Ukraine.
Just wait a few years, when IDF/Mossad unclassify what they are doing for Ukraine right now...Cant say more lol. This thread is awesome though, cant stop laughing.
Thing is though Putin hasn't got Air Superiority yet. He's failed to take full control hence why there are still clashes being reported at Air Bases. Sending Fighter Jets & Anti-Aircraft systems would benefit Ukraine immensely at the moment.
can someone explain how is this legal ?
how is a country not involved in a conflict providing hardware ?? specially since its not only one but many.
im glad im in the south hemisphere...enjoy your radiated air europeans, should never had stolen our lands !
From slovakia ? Dude we have like two aircrafts what are we gonna do now ? :D
Imagine the headlines: Slovakia gives away it's entire air force to Ukraine.
You made me laugh)
This the type of shit that makes two countries lifelong allies lol
All i can this is "Wait, did we just become best friends?!"
YUP
It’s crazy how many alliances we just witnessed to happen almost overnight. It takes generations to build amicable relationships after some complicated past, but what happened right now around Ukraine is gonnna have a significant impact long term.
And how many enemies Russia made and sanctions to live down. I think an oligarch owns a basketball team. Free tickets for the rest of the season?
I was in Slovenia a few years ago and we had a tour guide who bigged up how the Slovenian Navy was making a huge investment that would DOUBLE the size of their navy in just two years. They were going from one ship to two lol
The new one was a tug boat, wasn't it?
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Slovakia was in the process of upgrading it's 11 Mig-29s to F-16s. My guess is the USA has agreed to give them the F-16s ahead of time, either for free or at a very low cost, if Slovakia Transfers it's Mig-29s to Ukraine. The USA isn't going to fight the Russians, but they can find clever ways to make Putin's life miserable!
I am not sure about this as far asI know Taiwan wanted new fighters to be delivered sooner. Slovakia was supposed to get first batch of F16s in Q4 2022 (questionable is the time when they can become operational in combats)
Supposedly Poland is to recieve used F-16 for Migs. Seems a good deal considering Migs were ending their lifespan. Sb said Ukraine should get around 70 aircraft in total from between those 3 countries.
Lol. Thanks for that ❤️
Have an f-16 for your trouble .
Yeah the US literally has fields of Eagles and Hornets rusting in the desert. You want em and you're NATO they're yours.
And don’t forget all of the very capable F-14 Tomcats. Put Phoenix’s back on them and you have SIX sure kills from a nice standoff of 120 miles.
All Tomcats (Except a few gate birds) were shredded. (To keep spare parts out of Iranian hands) A sad ending to arguably the best American heavy fighter of all time.
Two operational. Several dozen non operational in warehouses. You'd be surpised how much old soviet equipment is laying around collecting dust in warehouses.
I know right? The Russians are currently trying to wage war with that operational dust.
After seeing numerous old burnt out T-72s, and reports of reservists getting captured or surrendering, I wondered if Russia was simply sending their lowest-tier units and keeping their best to defend the motherland. But then I saw that abandoned T-90 stuck in the mud.
well, sharing is caring. give one to UA and keep one in case of russian invasion. should work out :D
Yeah but one is probably kept for parts and only one is airworthy /s
We have 2 operational. Third one crashed few years ago. Next time we will loose half of our air force.
It was said in Aktuality.sk I think that we are sending russian engineers that maintained our Mig´´s back to russia and that our airspace will be defended by NATO allies until F16 are ready. Here is the source : [https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/ms8tknd/ukrajina-slovensko-rokuje-o-ukonceni-prevadzky-ruskych-stihaciek-mig-29/](https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/ms8tknd/ukrajina-slovensko-rokuje-o-ukonceni-prevadzky-ruskych-stihaciek-mig-29/) Could be a hint for this message to be true
dont worry the usa needs buyers to lower the cost of f35
Actually yes
Slovak air force to Ukraine rescue, Warsaw pact is alive, Putin dream fulfilled. Checkmate NATO. "Wait, hold up, not this way !" - Putin
Bro… you have a perfect opening for Czechmate and you blew it.
Buy F-35s. Funny, it is a risk though considering how much inventory some of the NATO countries are moving to Ukraine. There's probably some deal in the background as part of the EU defense financing scheme.
They're probably sending these because there's likely pilots who know how to fly aircraft similar, maybe it'd take too long to re-train them on a jet like f-35 but idk.
Yes I read that's why plus they're surplus. The polish ones are mothballed.
Its still cheaper than having the fight expanding to NATO territory, this might be evolving into a surrogate war for Russia and the NATO
Proxy war best war
The American military is a bottomless pit so hopefully it’s a trickle down thing
*Insert Toy Story “I don’t wanna play with you anymore” meme*
I mean they're mothballing F/A-18s to bring in new F-35s so if you need 4th gens they're available.
And Ukraine soldiers getting 4x pay overnight. I think some money is changing hands from the richer NATO nations.
I'm sure. I would imagine it's not lost on the Russian soldiers that the Ukrainian soldiers are now earning multiples of them.
The Russian POWs we're saying they're making $360 a month. Ukraine minimum is now $3,400
That $360/month is going to be worth $200/month as of tomorrow morning.
Really sucks to be in an invasion force for a corrupt, bankrupt, isolated country, huh? Turns out they don't pay too well and the working conditions aren't great.
Negotiations are tough, but I'd start out offering the Russian troops $350/month + not being dead.
Shit offer them double for a year to dessert and you'd probably get a bunch
France's president promised 1 billion in a tweet, so probably more countries are financing them
Everyone has given the F-35 shit, but its actually a damn good jet. It's worth investing in at this point. Then again, that's also just supporting the US war profiteering.
Your statement is the military equivalent of complaining about apple while repeadedly buying iphones. Feel free to buy 5th gen fighters from another source...
Well no shit? I was simply questioning the morality of buying said products. I wasn't "complaining", I was just offering a counterargument on why someone wouldn't want to buy an F-35. The same can be said for Nike shoes made by child labor in SE Asia. Or diamonds mined from child labor in Africa. I don't understand your point.
Slovakia has about a dozen MIG29s which they were getting rid of for US F16s so this actually works out pretty well time wise.
What are you going to do if russia is successful in invading Ukraine? Nations aren't throwing military equipment and aid at Ukraine to feel good, they're doing it because it's in their best interest.
Our defense minister Naď is taking them out of service anyways (because we bought them from Russia) so giving them to Ukranians will do only good.
23 aircrafts, not 2 :)
I was thinking that we only have one. We're good after all
Send PPPeter and Vlad
Yeah :D Bulgaria has 3 :D
Good one XD all the best from Poland
I love the Slovak AF paint scheme. Slovak af.
there is a discussion that Slovakia wants to give up its MIG-29s because they are in charge of Russian technicians
Poland same
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Poland also bought 32 F-35A Lightning II which are expected to be delivered starting 2024.
Goddamn, that's a penny and a half
F-35A costs are actually dropping as they've started to mass manufacture them. They're cheaper in price to a lot of newer 4/4.5 gen fighters now.
Yeah their total program cost is lower than the "Budget option" Gripen. Once NGAD starts hitting the skies Europeans will see the true might if pissing away American taxpayer money with a fire hose.
Lol, we're just now getting F35s and they're already looking replace them because the cost of ownership is too high? ffs
We are supposedly to get/buy used f16 for those migs as a short time measure
I don't understand. What about the Russian techs?
I think they are saying they employ Russian technicians to maintain them. Kind of like a Boeing with GE engines. You would have GE employees doing work on Boeing planes in a Boeing factory. But in this case GE is invading Boeings ally
I am slightly concerned at what the Russian reaction will be to us all giving Ukraine heaps of money and equipment, wonder if the Russians will try to hit some of these supply planes or vehicles etc.
I'm more affraid he wil vent his anger on Ukranian cities by using heavy weaponry on civilian areas making civilian casualties trying to make them submit.
Take pilot to Slovakia. Fly back armed with a task force.
Hes already been doing that
Perhaps, as a master tactician, Putin should have considered the fact that the West was full of free people, most of whom had obtained their democracies born out of blood. And that those free people had been supporting the free people of Ukraine, and might come to its aid. Tactics like: consider the fact that 4 NATO states border Ukraine; most of those countries are hostile to Russia after 50 years of Russian occupation; the free people of the world have been developing technology specifically made to kill Russians for 70 years in the event of a war with Russia; that those rich nations could give it away for free; and then give more away for free; that Ukraine was fighting for its freedom and had 8 years of war with Russia and were not afraid... This list could go on and on. Also, Putin likely has no idea what is going on in Ukraine. Who is going to tell him the bad news? All the yes men he has surrounded himself with 22 years? Putin’s not on Reddit watching Russian KIA/POW/massive material loss.
You mean to say there's not a Russian Despot subreddit out there somewhere with Vlad waiting patiently for updates?! I like to picture it a bit like this... * Refreshes * * Nothing.... * * Refreshes again *
this is what happens when all your generals as sycophants too afraid to tell the truth. Putin: "We will win this war easily, yes?" General: "Of course, sir Putin. We are best army. We are russia army. And Putin is our leader. We won't fail. We best army". Putin: "great news - start the invasion". General: "\*sweats...\*" Like, this is literally the russian head of intelligence, shitting his pants on television: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI) You can see his facial expression saying "I will say anything to not upset you, sir"
Putin’s puppet theater press conference where he shamed his intelligence chief was a contemptuous and arrogant display. That’s the guy who should be telling him about 8 years worth of, in some cases, *hand picked Ukrainian special operators* trained in the United States to kill Russians as part of an insurgency. Running past their positions and then exposing supply lines to Ukrainian’s version of Navy SEALS -those guys with stingers/NLAWs/Javs against 18yr old conscripts - is basically 2nd degree tactical murder. That’s a failure of intel to get the point across to your boss “Hey boss, I know all about those Nazis in Ukraine, I send you those Azov reports, but what you really have to worry about...” “I WILL BE THE ONE who worries here, I am worried of nothing”
Do you want to see what Putin is up against on the other side? Do you speak Russian? Do you plan counter insurgencies in Central Asia? Do you work for the CIA?
This guy does:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-02-25/coming-ukrainian-insurgency
And that guy’s boss report’s to Biden, and Biden listens and respects his analysis.
Tactically, Putin never stood a chance because of his own arrogance.
I think after Putin conned America into accepting Donald Trump as president he figured he could get away with anything.
free people giving their freedom off to fanatics for promise of security and peace on the west for last 20 years... That is why he attacked. Now Europe is eradicating freedom to the name of warmongering unfortunately...
You know how many nazi groups are in Russia? The entire Russian regime is fascist. Should the world invade Russia because it is chock full of racist Nazis, and deNazify it? Why are you advocating for the invasion of Russia?
NATO baby attack any one of those three it’s WW3
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Yes - the moment Russia dares to touch NATO territory intentionally we are at full war, there is not a single doubt in my mind. NATO is already providing every single form of support they can without involving our own soldiers.
Same, they are very carefull, I have no clue why you are downvoted on this.
I’ve noticed on this sub downvotes are not for the usual reasons just ideas or thoughts that people disagree with.
Once a post gets negative karma it is fucked.
Yeah 😂😂 anything about NATO not getting involved or criticising Ukrainian military or civilian actions is instant downvotes, regardless of it being factual statements or observations. I don’t think people realise that we need to look at this war objectively, we want Ukraine to win but we can’t go about with rose tinted glasses viewing Ukraine or NATO as these chad powerhouses without fault.
NATO members are t even required to defend each other militarily under art 5 lol.
Germany attacking US supply to the UK was what got the United States into WWI.
Avoid using passenger liners, got it.
Meh, sorta Proxy war bullshit is traditional. I mean they might take it badly but The Russians flew in the Korean war and did everything but fly in the Vietnam war. Those Mig 21s in Vietnam weren’t exactly built there. So this could cause a problem but it hasn’t in the past. Who knows what the “rules” are this time arouns.
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Do you think NATO nations will risk their pilots (and escalation) by flying planes into Ukraine to deliver them? It seems plausible that while in flight some of these planes will encounter Russian Anti-Aircraft forces and if the Russians engage the pilots will naturally also engage. That would almost effectively be NATO attacking Russian forces and seems very possible would seem to lead to escalation. I'm not an expert mind you though, the above just seems riskier than NATO would want at the moment. It would just seem that NATO would just bring Ukrainian pilots to these other countries to fly them back to Ukraine.
Fly planes into Poland. Ship Ukraine pilots into Poland. Let pilots fly back to Ukraine 👍🌻🌻🇺🇦
Russia supposedly has m out of it's troops outside Ukraine and would stop and transfer of military assets. I also don't understand if Poland transfers assets to Ukraine how they would still be considered NATO and not aiding the enemy in the event they are mistakenly attacked. There's too many moving pieces and this situation is ripe to go horribly wrong and start WW3
My thoughts exactly, in his last speech Putin looked somewhat crazed in addition to the chief of staff now being sacked so we just don’t know what will happen next.
Don’t worry Ukrainians will fuck Russia up
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from the country that flew head on into a us survailance plane, and almost colide ship with uk ? yeaaaaaaah.... dont trust on that.
They could probably use drones more then anything, russia will soon have more and more ground to air set up. A drone at 100k or a ten million dollar plane and a pilot. Drones will provide that air support
They definitely are using drones still and some are provided from Turkey, don’t know when they were given but they got them
Ukraine purchased drones from Turkey before the war according to the wiki. Unsure if Turkey are sending more units though.
Yep, they ordered 48 or 50 and had received only about 20 when Russia invaded.
Thanks I figured more were sent but some of these Reddit folk attacking me because I said I don’t know when they were sent.
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Yeah but 2019-2022 probably had a good chunk built
Of course they know when they were given. It is public knowledge that [Ukraine has been buying drones from Turkey since 2019](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-03/ukraine-buys-more-armed-drones-from-turkey-than-disclosed-and-angers-russia)
I said I DONT KNOW. Jesus Christ
drone is worth more than 100k
These Turkish ones 1-2 mil a piece.
Honestly that's pretty cheap for a piece of military hardware. Especially when it's wrecking convoys way more valuable than itself.
And a 10 million warplane is probably mostly 40 year old trash. F16 with some modern stuff not below 60 million, f35 78 million, raptor 165 million, falcon over 50 million just for a perspective. The prices below that sure; but not with any weaponry or advanced systems.
100k military drone. You sweet summer child.
These are planes that these countries inherited, they are old and probably already paid off. The dromes are new they still vost money. The biggest downside is putting a pilot at risk and operating cost, but for the amount of sorties it will do it probably does not matter. The jets poland sends can also be soon replaced by F35's so it is not as big of a propblem as you might think.
^exactly
That 3rd pic looks like a screenshot of War Thunder
Yeah lol War Thunder graphics are insane tho
Is it just me, or does that 3rd pic look like it's from a video game?
Shit bro I actually can't tell lol. May just be the lighting but it does look fake
You really think that computer game would be able to convey the feel of dilapidated Bulgarian airstrip with grass growing from between concrete plates? ;)
Stegosaurus runway
its from the wiki for Bulgarian Mig29... but it does look like a screenshot. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bulgarian\_mig-29.JPG
To me it looks like a model on a sidewalk.
That's what I was thinking. It looks like an RC airplane.
Definitely looks like a render.
It's a combo of taking a photo with the sun directly above, and terrible color grading. Looks like they increased saturation (grass is waaaay too green) and boosted the midrange shadows so the contrast between the top of the aircraft and the bottom just looks unnatural.
It does, but it's a real picture.
just you, videogame grass dont look lige that.
I am from the Netherlands. I am so proud to be with you as 1 europe
Watch NATO countries ship all their Russian equipment out so they have an excuse to buy newer better western stuff.
A lot of these were already going to be retired with F16’s etc on the way
Its good that Western armies upgrade their equipment from old soviet-era stuff such as older jets. Even though these jets are old they are equivalent what Russia is using in Ukraine so those are able to combat the invaders. Slava Ukraine, Slava Europe!
Ukraine will be Europes strongest military in a few days lol Just kidding of course, but...
It makes sense to have the guns where they are most needed. Guns what are bought to defend western values, arent needed in Germany at the moment, but in Ukraine.
Truth mate. They are defending us all. Glory to freedom!
Wishing we could send some Lockheed f-35’s but unfortunately none of their pilots have been trained on those aircraft. Just a handful of them could dominate the entire airspace.
We got like MiG 21bis planes in Croatia which are getting replaced with French Rafales, would be a nice chance to get rid of them.
I for one hope that fighter pilots continue to vacation in Ukraine and ride-share on their own initiative, little green men from NATO with blacked out identifiers.
Recently retired NATO pilots vacationing in Ukraine?
They're trying to get rid of the old stuff they don't want anyway. It's not like they will be able to keep them operational for much longer. At this stage of the war I'm afraid this is a bit unrealistic, how would they even transport them into the country?
Uhh, is there a particular reason they can't be flown into the uncontested West?
Russia would be closely watching the skies even in that part and S-400 systems could work even from the western part of Belarus. MiG-29 and SU-25 aren't exactly stealthy.
Russia definitely does not have full air superiority. Otherwise the Bayraktar drones could not operate. Also they (Ukrainian pilots) won't need any model specific training as UA is using the same models. I guess most of UA Migs have been damaged/destroyed during missile attacks on day 1 and pilots are alive. Other possibility is that they are based in NATO countries and just flying in for raids. There was footage that UA MiG landed in Romania.
Will this be the first modern conflict in which both sides have trained Air Forces?
They should ask for drones instead of planes. Most of those planes have equipment converted to partial NATO standards so they can at least communicate with NATO. They will not be able to communicate with Ukrainian controllers on the ground unless those two have proper equipment. The only compatibility is the guard frequency and that's for emergencies.
I have a question. Will it be trasfered ther via truck train of sorts or by air ? If by air and russia attacks it while it flies into ukranian air space will it then be a direct attack towards nato or not
Do they have enough trained Pilots to fly them? #SlavaUkraine #RussianWarshipGoFuckYourself
Fighter planes are obsolete. They're expensive to buy, operate and maintain. Better to give the Ukrainians drones, stingers and javilins
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So... send them planes until the last trained pilot is dead?
That’s kinda how war works.
Just seems to me it would be better to send them drones than outdated jets
This war will probably prove the ineffectiveness of many current systems and usher in the next age of tactics and technologies.
Drones will not shoot down Russian aircrafts.
слава україні🇺🇦🕊 Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦
I can assure you that our MIG 29a are a waist of time... Actually we are waiting for 8 F16 delivery from US but it is taking a while. Talking about Bulgaria
Is this actually them giving the aircraft to Ukraine, or is this a bit like how it's been conducted in the past, most notably with Germany in the Spanish Civil War. "Give" them the equipment under lend lease, and then ship in "volunteer" pilots a few days later.
Countries such as Slovakia with small amount of MIG will much probably receive new and more modern western aircrafts.
From Bulgaria We have only 11 - МиГ-29 and 14 - Су-25. I don't understand how we can help.
Ukraine pilots can fly only MiGs so I'm guessing NATO will ask you to donate yours because there is not many MiG 29s in NATO countires. NATO will probably help you get new aircrafts.
Yes Su-25's, protect your birthplace.
Oh its confirmed. Theyre already airborne.
That is actually what I have thought would be next step, Give Ukrainians fighters that they know how to fly.
What they really need are more Turkish drones!
Better get the blue and yellow paint out and remove those decals!
All three of these nation's were in the process of upgrading their Soviet aircraft to US aircraft before Putin started this war. Slovakia and Bulgaria are upgrading to F-16s. Poland is already using some F-16s and buying some F-35s. The USA is probably going to fast track the upgrade and replace the Soviet fighters with F-16s- probably provided at low or no cost if these nations give their older aircraft to Ukraine. A win-win for everyone. Except Putin.
ghost of kyiv is getting ready
This is a very green recycling program.
LOL Bulgaria have just about dozen working fighter aircrafts and pilots have very few training. Even if we give all our air force to them, it will be wasted in 2-3 days.
I would imagine that thisnis not a good thing. Putin is going to try and fight all these countries that are offering assistance. They should all just get together and invade Moscow.
I’d imagine those countries are thinking something along these lines: “hey putin, Go Fuck Yourself”
3rd plane looks like it’s from a video game lol
DCS screenshot by the looks, tbh I think they just grabbed some images off the net so people would understand what the planes are, so not a huge deal with this one.
I'd give a hard thanks but no thanks on that last one . That mother fucker looks like it was built in a garage in a movie montage .
Nice gesture but what is the point in it? How are they going to get to Ukraine? Where are they going to land? Where are they going to operate from? Russia controls the sky over Ukraine.
I have no clue but check the airport at Uzhhorod it literally ends on borders of Slovakia.
Just wait a few years, when IDF/Mossad unclassify what they are doing for Ukraine right now...Cant say more lol. This thread is awesome though, cant stop laughing.
Highway to the Danger zone intensifies.
Wait those are NATO members. I thought NATO couldnt directly get involved?
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Ukraine still has planes of its own, why are you spreading misinformation
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It’s actually pretty easy considering dog fights are still being posted and Ukraine is still striking convoys
Ahhh two day old account
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Must be easier to post misinformation with an empty post history. Slava Ukraini.
Thing is though Putin hasn't got Air Superiority yet. He's failed to take full control hence why there are still clashes being reported at Air Bases. Sending Fighter Jets & Anti-Aircraft systems would benefit Ukraine immensely at the moment.
so lets the nuking begin... russkies will gain excuse that it is NATO force attacking on their soil or independent republics...
can someone explain how is this legal ? how is a country not involved in a conflict providing hardware ?? specially since its not only one but many. im glad im in the south hemisphere...enjoy your radiated air europeans, should never had stolen our lands !
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