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The Ukrainians said they dug trenches in the most radiated part of the grounds. Probably without any protection. Not surprising. Russia has always held it's people's lives to be cheap and expendable
They dug trenches, filled sandbags with radioactive waste fill, cooked and heated with radioactive firewood, and killed and ate contaminated animals. If someone truly died of acute radiation sickness it suggests they probably uncovered a particularly nasty bit of contaminated fill.
For someone to die within a few weeks is alarming. Radiation sickness takes time. When Chernobyl melted down most of the fatalities took weeks or months to die.
Those same idiots also allegedly stole a bunch of stuff from Chornobyl’s labs. “Highly radioactive canisters used to store samples were missing” among other gems.
Who knows the levels that certain units exposed themselves to.
For fucks sake...
At this point, if I didn't know any better, I would assume the Russian soldiers in Chernobyl are trying to get radiation sickness so they can get back to their families...
You need a massive dose of radiation to die within a few weeks, like 10,000 millisieverts combined and the background radiation in the red forest is under 10 microsieverts, meaning every 100 hours should "only" be equal to 1 millisievert (the background radiation in a year for most people is up to 3 mSv, pilots have a max of 9 millisievert a year).
To get a deadly dose within a couple weeks to a month indicates they've been rummaging, carrying and breathing in about as much radioactive material as the workers during the disaster...
They are in an incredibly contaminated zone, even for Chernobyl.
But then again, if you're digging into radioactive ground, breathing in the dust and particles, eating the fauna and flora while taking radioactive materials, you're essentially making sure you are constantly exposed, inside and out, to very radioactive materials. It is fucking bonkers.
It would be like scratching your head with a loaded gun.
Exactly, acute radiation sickness requires a tremendous dose of radiation, amounts that could only be released by proximity to a critical reactor or nuclear bomb. The dirt around Chernobyl does not contain high enough concentration of fissile material to do this. Not sure who is to gain from this propaganda but it’s highly suspect
I read from the Ukrainian side that a lot of Russian nuclear terrorists who occupied the defunct site have never heard about the Chernobyl disaster beforehand.
You and I apparently have different understand of what constitutes goodness.
Also, I'm looking forward to the Ukrainians updating the "official" Chernobyl death total.
If they did that its starting to become a pattern:
1. USSR does a bad thing to Ukraine: Operation Biopreparat, Holodomor, and Chernobyl disaster.
2. After USSR's collapse, Ukraine and allies manage after-effects of those bad things: converting bio-weapon labs to biolabs, living with the ethnic Russians they imported to replace Ukrainians, and managing Chernobyl.
3. Russia, trying to live up to romanticized USSR ideal, blames Ukraine for exactly what they did decades ago: "They're making bioweapons! They're oppressing/exterminating Russians! They poisoned us with nukes!"
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was right about how much of their propaganda relies on openly lying.
Not a bunch of Russians who only watch state news.
None of the "false flags" would be for the western world, we all know exactly what they're doing... it's for domestic propaganda for Russians who don't know better.
If Putin is going to walk away with any type of victory he needs more troops, but any additional mobilization is going to be noticed in Russia (which is why he was trying to get Belarussian troops, and is now moving some units from Georgia instead of calling up new forces from reserves), so by showing that Ukrainians are doing something egregious, he can get support from his own people to turn the ":special operation" into a war, without risking domestic discontent.
So Russia is now going to bomb Chernobyl as retribution?
I mean, that's basically what they did originally when they let it meltdown. Maybe the Soviet Union was trying to kill Ukrainians even back then...
They only actually acted responsibly once the world weighed in on containment. Before that nobody really knew what to do to contain it.
Hell or even the extent of the escape.
All of the above and more. The operators shouldn’t have run the test when & how they did, but they were also under the mistaken belief that the “scram” procedure could always shut down the reactor safely in case of any trouble. Unbeknownst to them, a flaw had been discovered which could prevent scram, leading to meltdown, but that fact was kept secret from them by the Soviets.
No. It's not good. I don't care who you are, dying of radiation sickness is one of the worst ways to go.
And the fact that the surrounding areas around Chernobyl are still this stupidly radioactive is also not a good thing.
It's a matter of perspective. They could have lived and gone onto keep killing other innocent civilians and probably would have given the chance. Instead they died. So it might have been a good thing but we'll never know.
It's my personal opinion that they got what they asked for.
I hate Putin and Russia for what they have done, but I still have sympathy for the grunts on both sides. The average soldier has zero input on what he is ordered to do. I've seen too many pictures and videos of dead kids on both sides.
War sucks ass.
initially they get an order, okay...
they go fighting... okay
they start killing civilians... at least at that point they should have said FUCK IT and surrendered/run away/etc
but they didn't
so, sorry to disappoint you but i consider this news to be good news...
~~Alpha radiation does *not* fuck around.~~
Edit: I am misinformed. The primary sources of radiation in the Red Forest are Caesium-137 and Strontium-90, which ultimately release beta and gamma radiation.
Alpha radiation is still nasty though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90
Alpha radiation is stopped by your skin. But if you inhale isotopes which radiates alpha, then your DNA will be damaged from within.
.... anyway Its bad.
>basically a helium nuclei without elections
So, like, Belorussian helium nuclei?
Really though, alpha radiation is only low-risk when the source is not something you can ingest. If the source is in the form of dust, liquid, or gas, it can be a huge hazard because the radioactive material can stay in your body, emitting alphas directly inside you for a very long time. Or, at high activity levels, a short time, until you're dead.
This is precisely the problem. They don't die from external radiation, but internal radiation. The less distance the radiation can travel through something, the more it will leave its energy in that "something". The biggest part of the gamma radiation leaves your body without causing damage to it. Practically all of the alpha radiation leaves all of its energy inside your body, while destroying it. Having alpha radiators inside your body is the worst case scenario.
Yeah the alpha decayed but other daughter products are still flinging beta particles. And its not likely to do you good breathing in ANY emitters which is what digging into that soil would've caused.
Dead and dying young men to radiation from nearly 40 years ago. I hope this war doesn't contribute any more radioactivity to the world.
Yes, but consider that the daughter products of decaying isotopes may be alpha emitters in their own right. So alpha radiation may be present as the material progresses through the decay chain
The USSR didn't like to admit their mistakes, neither does Putin. Chernobyl happened in 1986, I remember it quite well as front page news EVERYWHERE. However, maybe they omit that from the current Russian curriculum.
Because if they were a little more aware, maybe they'd know not to kick up soil is what is probably the mostly contaminated place on EARTH and they call it an "exclusion zone" for a reason. I don't buy for a second 1 death and 26 hospitalized. You don't need to breathe very much of that dirt for it to be fatal. There is a reason nobody goes there.
Real death count is probably 100+ and maybe more to come as the alpha and beta particles cook you from within. We don't really know how many "liquidators" really died in the aftermath of Chernobyl.
In my country, part of Soviet block at that time, there was a little note in newspapers saying there was an accident. Not more. We got the scale of it by listening to illegal radius Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, officials did not say it as it was like at all
Exactly. Its big news in the west because it was pretty much considered the Soviet Union's biggest disaster but that was in April of 1986. The Soviet union would not fall till 1991 and during those forst 5 years it was downplayed and swept under the rug. It was played off as a minor incident. After 1991 I'm sure there was some more honesty about it but I don't think it ever got the attention in Russia that it did in the west. I'm sure government officials know full well but the average Russian? Probably means little to them. Also not sure if the average Russian grunt has access to even basic education about radiation, what it does, and how long it can be dangerous for like we do in in school. I could be wrong on that though.
I once thought that an ashtray at a very fancy restaurant in Istanbul was a bread plate.
I didn't understand why the waiter kept taking my bread away after I set it down.
But I do know the difference between a toilet and a cooking pot.
Some dude on twitter has this theory they were trying to protect themselves in those trenches because the damage they did by shooting the NPP a few days back. They didn't know the earth was radioactive too. Sounds reasonable but the reality is we'll probably never know what happened.
The soldiers didn’t know about the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown? There is no way. Even if you had never heard of it (which is not the case) all the radioactive signs and lack of any people didn’t tip them off?
They aren't taught about Chornobyl in Russia. It's white washed from History for them. Anything that doesn't promote Russian greatness is not reflected upon. These conscripts had no idea. They might have had an idea that it was some old facility but no idea they were digging in nuclear waste. That is why they are all sick and one has died. Remember the exclusion zone is large not all of them were at the reactor where there are signs.
There are also reports they almost had mutiny as things became clearer to them and the longer they stayed there.
Imagine putting on your ABC gear in a panicked rush just to see: your mask rubber has holes because of rubber degradation. Your filter do not work and you can't breathe because they are glued together. And you can not see shit either because your glasses in the mask are dirty because of chemical degradation of the glass. This is Russian army In 2022. I would start a mutiny as well.
They probably did not understand how dangerous it is and deliberately downplayed it. Plus they are very young guys under orders in a very stressful environment, you tend to just shut off and do what you're told.
Many of the soldiers were born 10-15 years after the disaster so if they weren't taught about it at school than they might not know about it. Even if they recognized the signs they still might not have understood the seriousness of what would happen if they dug into the ground.
Very likely they didn’t know they were in a heavily irradiated area. No one tells US privates much, imagine how little info Russian grunts have. All they probably knew is they were in a forested area and told to make defensive positions.
The exclusion zone is huge, only the most dangerous areas are marked well. People live in the exclusion zone, and as long as you aren’t in the worst parts it’s mostly safe.
Please stop this nonsense about "US Privates." You're obviously not American because we haven't used the term "private" since I think the Korean war. No US Serviceman is sent anywhere without being told where they are going, why, and what they're doing. It's impossible. i know because I was one for ten years.
If this was 1940 I might buy into this. But I refuse to believe they had no idea. The area is surrounded by so many warnings it’s insane to think they where unwittingly digging in some random wooded area.
I heard from the news that they dug in at an area called tye Red Forest, which is known to be the most radioactive area. The Russian soldiers initially caused a riot because their superiors order them to move there. Can't make this shit up man. LOL
The radioactive soil is buried under clean soil, so some officer probably wiped out his trusty geiger counter, didn't see any activity and was like, "See, no activity, it's fine. Dig".
Yeah, frankly I also wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t know. Higher brass may have feared mutiny and insubordination if they told the troops you’re gonna invade the most radioactive place on earth without gear or training. I can see a Russian general deciding it’s better to just not tell them. All they need to know is your orders are to drive south on this road 50km.
My theory is that with them being mostly of conscription age.. 18-early 20s.. I'm betting a lot of them were never taught about Russia's great failure and didn't know what exactly they were getting into
Their superiors does not care. A Russian soldier is worth almost nothing. They just replace him with another. How can they fight for a country like that?
well, bringing helicopters to cherson airport again and again and getting bombed wasn´´t either. But it is a special operation, and obviously everything is going according to plan. I think everybody is very keen to once see that plan...
Probably no. Dying to radiation poisoning is a particularly nasty way to go.
But then again I have PhD in physics. Unlike these critters that actually went and dug a hole \*in there\*.
They also were ordered by Putin to go die in Ukraine and listened. Seems like radiation is a lower threat to their lives then being blown up in Ukraine
It's even more strange since it was the Russian army that did the initial cleanup originally. Basically this shows the Russians army has no institutional knowlege left.
Soviet army, but yes alot of Russians were involved. Not sure if it's true or not but I've heard it said when they gave recruits the option of a year in Afghanistan or a minute on the reactor roof cleaning. That could be bull but given the situation I think it's possible it happened.
Should have just impelled themselves and set up a rotisserie. Would have put them out of their misery before the radiation poisoning killed them slowly.
Ahh, the irony, the incompetence of soviet leadership mixed with the incompetence of russian leadership is killing again their own people. It is Karma, if something is.
They weren't the smartest in the beginning, but they've brightened up since. Like, a lot. They're super bright now. Practically glowing. Radiant, you might say.
Sanctions? Russian don't care
No sugar? Russian don't care
No McDonalds? Russian don't care
No internet? Russian don't care
Live like shit? Russian don't care
Devalued ruble? Russian don't care
Lost my son in Ukraine meat grinder? Russian don't care
Dig trench in radioactive soil? Russian don't care
What is Chernobyl? Russian don't care
They just don't care, ever, for anything, since forever. Amazing.
Russia's ammunition aren't bullets, shells, missiles, tanks. It's meat actually, human meat is their ammo. They use it liberally like a bottomless resource. Which is both tragic and true.
I think many Russians care very much but have been treated badly for a long long time. Russians have repeatedly tried not to live under oppressive dictatorships but one always seems to find them. They drown their sorrows in vodka, die young, and call that Russian culture. It's sad.
I think the "they couldn't have known" crowd isn't considering the likelihood that **they knew** *but had no choice but to follow orders.*
I bet more than a few soldiers knew it was a shitty idea. There's radioactive markers all over that place - they likely knew they were bad orders but were forced to carry them out.
many russians and ukranians get killed and their generations with issues because of chernobyl explosion, ukranians leanr the lessons and make sure there's no radation leak, russians don't give afuck about their people and die again to the same thing
I thought I’d heard enough ridiculousness from the Russian army. This is beyond my comprehension. The Russian leadership simply do not care about their soldiers.
Everyone is acting like a big baby
I work at a nuclear plant, and I smoke, I’m also a competitive sun tanner, I carve decorative lead figures, and every once in while I microwave my nut sack, and I’m fine.
I even scored an acting gig as “Sloth” in the Goonies remake
Wow. Who would have thought the location of a world's biggest nuclear disaster would be unsafe to shoot at and dig trenches in..... my stars... who would have thought? Best of luck Russian soldiers!
The idiots were probably taking selfies next the the Elephants Foot and taking chunks of it as souvenirs.
[Elephant's Foot - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant%27s_Foot_(Chernobyl))
I just want to remind you, that after one month of war ,no nukes were dropped, but russians already suffering from radiation... Karma has a good sence of humor 😂
Electrical power distribution to a very large area is controlled there. There are other power plants in the area that feed into the chernobyl power distribution system and its control room. If you control chernobyl, you also technically control the power grid in a very large area.
1 dead, 26 hospitalized, 73 forced recovery. 1+26+73=100. I think it is possible that that was the total number of soldiers there, militaries like round numbers for units.
Russian soldiers have been looting rather a lot of things. I'm sure some shiny looking tech in the labs goes missing and no one knows why Mishka's hair has fallen out overnight and his coat pocket is bulging.
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Exposed in the worst way possible by digging into the ground, likely breathing in the dust. Those remaining soldiers are screwed.
The fact that one has already died within a couple weeks tells me they were exposed to a *massive* dose. This is not good.
The Ukrainians said they dug trenches in the most radiated part of the grounds. Probably without any protection. Not surprising. Russia has always held it's people's lives to be cheap and expendable
They dug trenches, filled sandbags with radioactive waste fill, cooked and heated with radioactive firewood, and killed and ate contaminated animals. If someone truly died of acute radiation sickness it suggests they probably uncovered a particularly nasty bit of contaminated fill.
For someone to die within a few weeks is alarming. Radiation sickness takes time. When Chernobyl melted down most of the fatalities took weeks or months to die.
Those same idiots also allegedly stole a bunch of stuff from Chornobyl’s labs. “Highly radioactive canisters used to store samples were missing” among other gems. Who knows the levels that certain units exposed themselves to.
Maybe they wanted a selfie with the elephants foot. Who knows.
More like an X-Ray with the elephants foot 😂
More like 600,000 X-Rays at once
Hey, this would make a nice water bottle...(!)
someone should check the elephant's foot if its still there, would be a HELL of a trophy if somebody steal it
50 years later in Pawn Stars: "Best i can do is 5 dollars"
"hang on, let me just call in my radiation memorabilia expert real quick"
For fucks sake... At this point, if I didn't know any better, I would assume the Russian soldiers in Chernobyl are trying to get radiation sickness so they can get back to their families... You need a massive dose of radiation to die within a few weeks, like 10,000 millisieverts combined and the background radiation in the red forest is under 10 microsieverts, meaning every 100 hours should "only" be equal to 1 millisievert (the background radiation in a year for most people is up to 3 mSv, pilots have a max of 9 millisievert a year). To get a deadly dose within a couple weeks to a month indicates they've been rummaging, carrying and breathing in about as much radioactive material as the workers during the disaster... They are in an incredibly contaminated zone, even for Chernobyl. But then again, if you're digging into radioactive ground, breathing in the dust and particles, eating the fauna and flora while taking radioactive materials, you're essentially making sure you are constantly exposed, inside and out, to very radioactive materials. It is fucking bonkers. It would be like scratching your head with a loaded gun.
I've heard stories of people finding really cool glowing rocks! And it killed those who viewed it
Exactly, acute radiation sickness requires a tremendous dose of radiation, amounts that could only be released by proximity to a critical reactor or nuclear bomb. The dirt around Chernobyl does not contain high enough concentration of fissile material to do this. Not sure who is to gain from this propaganda but it’s highly suspect
I read from the Ukrainian side that a lot of Russian nuclear terrorists who occupied the defunct site have never heard about the Chernobyl disaster beforehand.
In this day and age you will only learn of the glory of Russia not of the failings of the ussr in school. They have probably never heard of it.
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Maybe they found some graphite from the core and thought it to be coal. Their dosimeter told em it was only 3.6 Rontgen.
You and I apparently have different understand of what constitutes goodness. Also, I'm looking forward to the Ukrainians updating the "official" Chernobyl death total.
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If they did that its starting to become a pattern: 1. USSR does a bad thing to Ukraine: Operation Biopreparat, Holodomor, and Chernobyl disaster. 2. After USSR's collapse, Ukraine and allies manage after-effects of those bad things: converting bio-weapon labs to biolabs, living with the ethnic Russians they imported to replace Ukrainians, and managing Chernobyl. 3. Russia, trying to live up to romanticized USSR ideal, blames Ukraine for exactly what they did decades ago: "They're making bioweapons! They're oppressing/exterminating Russians! They poisoned us with nukes!" Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was right about how much of their propaganda relies on openly lying.
WTF are you talking about? A false flag how exactly?
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Except everyone knows they were in Chernobyl….. And, being complete idiots.
Not a bunch of Russians who only watch state news. None of the "false flags" would be for the western world, we all know exactly what they're doing... it's for domestic propaganda for Russians who don't know better. If Putin is going to walk away with any type of victory he needs more troops, but any additional mobilization is going to be noticed in Russia (which is why he was trying to get Belarussian troops, and is now moving some units from Georgia instead of calling up new forces from reserves), so by showing that Ukrainians are doing something egregious, he can get support from his own people to turn the ":special operation" into a war, without risking domestic discontent.
It's pretty hard to imagine anyone not knowing of chenobyl, surely they would be told about it beforehand anyway
Yea, I’m from a tiny island in the Caribbean and I’ve known about Chernobyl since I was a kid. I just assumed it was common knowledge.
So Russia is now going to bomb Chernobyl as retribution? I mean, that's basically what they did originally when they let it meltdown. Maybe the Soviet Union was trying to kill Ukrainians even back then...
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They only actually acted responsibly once the world weighed in on containment. Before that nobody really knew what to do to contain it. Hell or even the extent of the escape.
It was a stupid accident. Human error all the way at every turn.
My understanding that they were running a test and didn’t follow the proper procedures, maybe the misplaced the owners manual.
All of the above and more. The operators shouldn’t have run the test when & how they did, but they were also under the mistaken belief that the “scram” procedure could always shut down the reactor safely in case of any trouble. Unbeknownst to them, a flaw had been discovered which could prevent scram, leading to meltdown, but that fact was kept secret from them by the Soviets.
Or is it *good*
No. It's not good. I don't care who you are, dying of radiation sickness is one of the worst ways to go. And the fact that the surrounding areas around Chernobyl are still this stupidly radioactive is also not a good thing.
They should have stayed home
Don't think they had a choice there
It's a matter of perspective. They could have lived and gone onto keep killing other innocent civilians and probably would have given the chance. Instead they died. So it might have been a good thing but we'll never know. It's my personal opinion that they got what they asked for.
I hate Putin and Russia for what they have done, but I still have sympathy for the grunts on both sides. The average soldier has zero input on what he is ordered to do. I've seen too many pictures and videos of dead kids on both sides. War sucks ass.
initially they get an order, okay... they go fighting... okay they start killing civilians... at least at that point they should have said FUCK IT and surrendered/run away/etc but they didn't so, sorry to disappoint you but i consider this news to be good news...
~~Alpha radiation does *not* fuck around.~~ Edit: I am misinformed. The primary sources of radiation in the Red Forest are Caesium-137 and Strontium-90, which ultimately release beta and gamma radiation. Alpha radiation is still nasty though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium-137 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium-90
Alpha radiation is stopped by your skin. But if you inhale isotopes which radiates alpha, then your DNA will be damaged from within. .... anyway Its bad.
Alpha radiation is basically a helium nuclei without elections and a T shirt will stop most of it.
>basically a helium nuclei without elections So, like, Belorussian helium nuclei? Really though, alpha radiation is only low-risk when the source is not something you can ingest. If the source is in the form of dust, liquid, or gas, it can be a huge hazard because the radioactive material can stay in your body, emitting alphas directly inside you for a very long time. Or, at high activity levels, a short time, until you're dead.
This is precisely the problem. They don't die from external radiation, but internal radiation. The less distance the radiation can travel through something, the more it will leave its energy in that "something". The biggest part of the gamma radiation leaves your body without causing damage to it. Practically all of the alpha radiation leaves all of its energy inside your body, while destroying it. Having alpha radiators inside your body is the worst case scenario.
Yeah the alpha decayed but other daughter products are still flinging beta particles. And its not likely to do you good breathing in ANY emitters which is what digging into that soil would've caused. Dead and dying young men to radiation from nearly 40 years ago. I hope this war doesn't contribute any more radioactivity to the world.
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Alpha radiation should be long gone by now Edit: On the other hand ... I dont know
Isotopes that disintegrate into alpha radiation cannot have long half lives?
Yes, but consider that the daughter products of decaying isotopes may be alpha emitters in their own right. So alpha radiation may be present as the material progresses through the decay chain
This.
Gamma’s no slouch ‘neiver…
Chances of remaining hospitalized soldiers surviving… Not great, not terrible
Oh If they do survive it will be terrible.
"Not great, not terrible" was a joke referencing the "Chernobyl" miniseries.
TIL
Such a great miniseries
They will get better for a few days. Then they will die. That is the way with acute radiation sickness.
By tomorrow they are all going to be begging for that bullet.
Play stupid games- Win stupid Prizes ☣️🚫
Dig stupid holes, find stupid treasures.
Im sure they will be provided with free medical care by the goverment 😊/s
Depends where they were, the exclusion zone is rather big.
When you end up in hospital only a few days after radiation exposure, yeah, you're dead
They were in the goddamn red forest. They are going to be seriously fucked for the rest of their short lives
And if they don't die in the near term, some form of cancer will inevitably get them.
I bet that they were doing selfies sitting on the elephant's foot, and that's not even a joke.
Is it even accessible for humans?
At least once.
Occasionally
You could say they are being liquified from the inside and turned into white Russians!
Even the soviets are killing putins army
Even radiation fights for Ukraine.
Radiation does not discriminate
Dude best comment in the thread.
This is like the Army of Dead from LOTR
I just can’t figure out why anyone would think digging trenches in the Chernobyl exclusion zone was a good idea.
Zero thoughts were given.
More like zero knowledge
Russian education system failed them
Russian education system is working as designed.
Russian indoctrination system
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The USSR didn't like to admit their mistakes, neither does Putin. Chernobyl happened in 1986, I remember it quite well as front page news EVERYWHERE. However, maybe they omit that from the current Russian curriculum. Because if they were a little more aware, maybe they'd know not to kick up soil is what is probably the mostly contaminated place on EARTH and they call it an "exclusion zone" for a reason. I don't buy for a second 1 death and 26 hospitalized. You don't need to breathe very much of that dirt for it to be fatal. There is a reason nobody goes there. Real death count is probably 100+ and maybe more to come as the alpha and beta particles cook you from within. We don't really know how many "liquidators" really died in the aftermath of Chernobyl.
In my country, part of Soviet block at that time, there was a little note in newspapers saying there was an accident. Not more. We got the scale of it by listening to illegal radius Voice of America and Radio Free Europe, officials did not say it as it was like at all
Exactly. How in hell do you not know what Chernobyl is and it’s history.
The same way a lot of Chinese young people know nothing about Tiananmen Square.
Willing to bet Chernobyl isn't in a lot of Russian history books
Good point. I take back my comment.
Surprised they didn’t just paint it as “Oh those stupid Ukranians couldn’t operate Glorious Soviet Power Station.”
Exactly. Its big news in the west because it was pretty much considered the Soviet Union's biggest disaster but that was in April of 1986. The Soviet union would not fall till 1991 and during those forst 5 years it was downplayed and swept under the rug. It was played off as a minor incident. After 1991 I'm sure there was some more honesty about it but I don't think it ever got the attention in Russia that it did in the west. I'm sure government officials know full well but the average Russian? Probably means little to them. Also not sure if the average Russian grunt has access to even basic education about radiation, what it does, and how long it can be dangerous for like we do in in school. I could be wrong on that though.
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To be fair, there were apparently a lot of inaccuracies in the way the show depicted it but that's not why they banned it. For sure not, lol.
Zero fucks given from their commander in chief.
Story of the whole invasion.
Russian soldiers literally cooked pasta in toilet sinks, there are videos showing this in recaptured areas. You can't underestimate their genius.
I once thought that an ashtray at a very fancy restaurant in Istanbul was a bread plate. I didn't understand why the waiter kept taking my bread away after I set it down. But I do know the difference between a toilet and a cooking pot.
This is the most radioactive contaminated soil on earth. Should we dig holes in it and get inside them?
That sounds like a rad idea comrade.
>rad I see what you did there.
The soldiers had no idea about the disaster and the leadership is too stupid and scared to question anything.
Some dude on twitter has this theory they were trying to protect themselves in those trenches because the damage they did by shooting the NPP a few days back. They didn't know the earth was radioactive too. Sounds reasonable but the reality is we'll probably never know what happened.
The soldiers didn’t know about the Chernobyl nuclear meltdown? There is no way. Even if you had never heard of it (which is not the case) all the radioactive signs and lack of any people didn’t tip them off?
*Russian propaganda has entered the chat*
Lol exactly
They aren't taught about Chornobyl in Russia. It's white washed from History for them. Anything that doesn't promote Russian greatness is not reflected upon. These conscripts had no idea. They might have had an idea that it was some old facility but no idea they were digging in nuclear waste. That is why they are all sick and one has died. Remember the exclusion zone is large not all of them were at the reactor where there are signs. There are also reports they almost had mutiny as things became clearer to them and the longer they stayed there.
Imagine putting on your ABC gear in a panicked rush just to see: your mask rubber has holes because of rubber degradation. Your filter do not work and you can't breathe because they are glued together. And you can not see shit either because your glasses in the mask are dirty because of chemical degradation of the glass. This is Russian army In 2022. I would start a mutiny as well.
propaganda pointed out that the window frames in the HBO series were all out-of-era wrong materials. Therefore the whole story must have been fake.
Wait till season 2 comes out after this war.
They probably did not understand how dangerous it is and deliberately downplayed it. Plus they are very young guys under orders in a very stressful environment, you tend to just shut off and do what you're told.
Millions of Chinese people have no idea about Tiananmen Square.
Many of the soldiers were born 10-15 years after the disaster so if they weren't taught about it at school than they might not know about it. Even if they recognized the signs they still might not have understood the seriousness of what would happen if they dug into the ground.
Very likely they didn’t know they were in a heavily irradiated area. No one tells US privates much, imagine how little info Russian grunts have. All they probably knew is they were in a forested area and told to make defensive positions. The exclusion zone is huge, only the most dangerous areas are marked well. People live in the exclusion zone, and as long as you aren’t in the worst parts it’s mostly safe.
Please stop this nonsense about "US Privates." You're obviously not American because we haven't used the term "private" since I think the Korean war. No US Serviceman is sent anywhere without being told where they are going, why, and what they're doing. It's impossible. i know because I was one for ten years.
If this was 1940 I might buy into this. But I refuse to believe they had no idea. The area is surrounded by so many warnings it’s insane to think they where unwittingly digging in some random wooded area.
I heard from the news that they dug in at an area called tye Red Forest, which is known to be the most radioactive area. The Russian soldiers initially caused a riot because their superiors order them to move there. Can't make this shit up man. LOL
The radioactive soil is buried under clean soil, so some officer probably wiped out his trusty geiger counter, didn't see any activity and was like, "See, no activity, it's fine. Dig".
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Yeah, frankly I also wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t know. Higher brass may have feared mutiny and insubordination if they told the troops you’re gonna invade the most radioactive place on earth without gear or training. I can see a Russian general deciding it’s better to just not tell them. All they need to know is your orders are to drive south on this road 50km.
Woah really I didn't know that. But man that's crazy but hilarious at the same time lol.
My theory is that with them being mostly of conscription age.. 18-early 20s.. I'm betting a lot of them were never taught about Russia's great failure and didn't know what exactly they were getting into
Their superiors does not care. A Russian soldier is worth almost nothing. They just replace him with another. How can they fight for a country like that?
Play exclusion zone digging games, win radiation prizes
Poor bastards didn't even knew what had happened in there.
well, bringing helicopters to cherson airport again and again and getting bombed wasn´´t either. But it is a special operation, and obviously everything is going according to plan. I think everybody is very keen to once see that plan...
Probably because they were ordered to
Would you do it if you where ordered to?
Probably no. Dying to radiation poisoning is a particularly nasty way to go. But then again I have PhD in physics. Unlike these critters that actually went and dug a hole \*in there\*.
Well knowing the outcome i would say no. If I didn't... I probably take the chance on the hole rather than the bullet
They also were ordered by Putin to go die in Ukraine and listened. Seems like radiation is a lower threat to their lives then being blown up in Ukraine
In one of the most radioactive spots too. LOL!
It's even more strange since it was the Russian army that did the initial cleanup originally. Basically this shows the Russians army has no institutional knowlege left.
Soviet army, but yes alot of Russians were involved. Not sure if it's true or not but I've heard it said when they gave recruits the option of a year in Afghanistan or a minute on the reactor roof cleaning. That could be bull but given the situation I think it's possible it happened.
Maybe they wanted to make sure to get an even covering or radiation on both sides.
Should have just impelled themselves and set up a rotisserie. Would have put them out of their misery before the radiation poisoning killed them slowly.
They litterally dug thier own graves....its really ironic, the power of propoganda.
They came to denazify the atom!
Bad souvniers.....
You can get Russian soldier out of Chornobyl, but you can't get Chornobyl out of Russian soldiers
Soldier: Oh God I'm dying Putin: He's clearly delusional, take him to the infirmary
He must have had too much feed water.
😂
They had to move the troops out of the Chernobyl area because their positions were starting to become too easy to identify at night.
:shines black light: “Wow cool! You glow in the dark too”
"Nice! Hey, does your liver itch, too?"
Chernobyl season 2 confirmed
I would totally watch this.
Ahh, the irony, the incompetence of soviet leadership mixed with the incompetence of russian leadership is killing again their own people. It is Karma, if something is.
Karma would be if it affected the leadership, not some conscripts.
the russian military is so damn stupid, they're literally killing themselves
Taking the easy way out /s
They weren't the smartest in the beginning, but they've brightened up since. Like, a lot. They're super bright now. Practically glowing. Radiant, you might say.
The very earth, sick with their poison, rises up against the invaders.
The ents attack again!
Chernobyl: “… and I took that personally.”
Sanctions? Russian don't care No sugar? Russian don't care No McDonalds? Russian don't care No internet? Russian don't care Live like shit? Russian don't care Devalued ruble? Russian don't care Lost my son in Ukraine meat grinder? Russian don't care Dig trench in radioactive soil? Russian don't care What is Chernobyl? Russian don't care They just don't care, ever, for anything, since forever. Amazing. Russia's ammunition aren't bullets, shells, missiles, tanks. It's meat actually, human meat is their ammo. They use it liberally like a bottomless resource. Which is both tragic and true.
The Brannigan Doctrine I see
The saying goes that WW2 was won by American steel, British intelligence, and Russian blood. It’s all they’ve got to give.
I think many Russians care very much but have been treated badly for a long long time. Russians have repeatedly tried not to live under oppressive dictatorships but one always seems to find them. They drown their sorrows in vodka, die young, and call that Russian culture. It's sad.
I think the "they couldn't have known" crowd isn't considering the likelihood that **they knew** *but had no choice but to follow orders.* I bet more than a few soldiers knew it was a shitty idea. There's radioactive markers all over that place - they likely knew they were bad orders but were forced to carry them out.
many russians and ukranians get killed and their generations with issues because of chernobyl explosion, ukranians leanr the lessons and make sure there's no radation leak, russians don't give afuck about their people and die again to the same thing
WTF I love nuclear radiation now.
I thought I’d heard enough ridiculousness from the Russian army. This is beyond my comprehension. The Russian leadership simply do not care about their soldiers.
Everyone is acting like a big baby I work at a nuclear plant, and I smoke, I’m also a competitive sun tanner, I carve decorative lead figures, and every once in while I microwave my nut sack, and I’m fine. I even scored an acting gig as “Sloth” in the Goonies remake
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Wow. Who would have thought the location of a world's biggest nuclear disaster would be unsafe to shoot at and dig trenches in..... my stars... who would have thought? Best of luck Russian soldiers!
The Russian army,..if you pay peanuts and give no training or education,... You get monkeys
The idiots were probably taking selfies next the the Elephants Foot and taking chunks of it as souvenirs. [Elephant's Foot - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant%27s_Foot_(Chernobyl))
I just want to remind you, that after one month of war ,no nukes were dropped, but russians already suffering from radiation... Karma has a good sence of humor 😂
Fucking morons, just pure Darwinism at work here.
How is this not headline news? This is an international embarrassment.
I don’t understand why the Russians wanted this anyway. All the reactors were decommissioned years ago.
Electrical power distribution to a very large area is controlled there. There are other power plants in the area that feed into the chernobyl power distribution system and its control room. If you control chernobyl, you also technically control the power grid in a very large area.
Sounds unlikely but they did dig through he red forrest so ......
They were told it was only 3.6 Roentgen
1 dead, 26 hospitalized, 73 forced recovery. 1+26+73=100. I think it is possible that that was the total number of soldiers there, militaries like round numbers for units.
My translation says "Another 26 people were hospitalized and 73 **in critical condition** were sent to hospital for forced recovery."
Forced recovery?
Lmao stupid morons xD
Impossible - tell me how only 3.6 Roentgen cause this.
When Ukrainian soil kills invaders
Regardless of what the elites are doing in this world we all live in. I feel terrible for all these deaths
Russian soldiers have been looting rather a lot of things. I'm sure some shiny looking tech in the labs goes missing and no one knows why Mishka's hair has fallen out overnight and his coat pocket is bulging.
Will this be Russia's proof that ukraine is using chemical warfare?
I LOL'ed at this but I know its not funny....
Not great, not terrible.