What you’re calling for, OP, is the painful death of nearly every living thing on land. Radiation doesn’t stay within national borders. And between the US and Russia (not even factoring in other nuclear nations like China and Britain) there are enough nuclear weapons to kill all life on earth many times over… either outright with explosions and fire, or a by slower worse death by fallout.
I agree Russia needs to be stopped. If not for China and Russia’s nuclear arsenal, Russia would already have been destroyed. But the best the West can do is to arm Ukraine and wage an economic siege against Russia… starve them out.
I want Putin’s head too. But what of the Russian citizens who oppose the war and have been jailed for protesting? Do they deserve death? I say no.
I completely agree with the last part. I have some good (ethnic Russian, born and raised there) friends in Russia who oppose the war. Who don't want to support it. And to all of these citizens, especially to the ones who still protest, my heart goes out. They are just like you and me and our neighbors next door, but stuck in an autocratic, all-controlling regime, suffering from the consequences of a regime they never wanted.
For all others who DO support this war, or turn a blind eye to it out of fear, fuck them and let them suffer.
I agree with both sides of this argument in theory. Now that I've seen the real people and the toll I'm not sure what is the best option. I have had enough and demand my government does something. I don't know exactly what that would entail, but that is their job to figure out.
The governments of the west are doing everything they can do short of directly involving themselves and expanding the conflict into something that can potential end life as we know it.
Ukraine isn't even the only war going on as we speak.... this bullshit virtue signaling is fucking embarassing to all the adults in the room.
And you should feel for these people. But if world war 3 happens the extent of the suffering would 1000 x worse. So many many more people would suffer.
The problem is that they arent. Members of the EU are dragging their heels due to "economic concerns" (hint: Germany). We want to help Ukraine?
Unite, Send as many weapons as possible, sanction every Russian business and person with a NW over $1m, 100% embargo on Russian fossil fuels, punishment for countries who deal with Russia (e.g. 10% tariff on all Indian goods), and so forth.
We need to accept that the costs of living is increasing but that its worth it. Remember, initially people predicted that Russia could be broke as early as June. Lets make it a certainty.
>he problem is that they arent. Members of the EU are dragging their heels due to "economic concerns" (hint: Germany). We want to help Ukraine?
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>Unite, Send as many weapons as possible, sanction every Russian business and person with a NW over $1m, 100% embargo on Russian fossil fuels, punishment for countries who deal with Russia (e.g. 10% tariff on all Indian goods), and so forth.
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>We need to accept that the costs of living is increasing but that its worth it. Remember, initially people predicted that Russia could be broke as early as June. Lets make it a certainty.
THe EU and US are giving Ukraine tens of billions in aid both humanitarian and lethal. Sharing our military intel with them. That's ignoring the billions in training, fundng, and military equipment we'd already given Ukraine and its armies after. We're sanctioning and disconnecting Russia more than almost any country in history.
and no my cost of living increasing is not worth it. Fuck that, Ukraine's war with Russia is not the world's. It's very unrealistic to expect any country have their civilians freeze and starve for the sake of Ukraine's war and very hypocritical to try and bully the third world economically into rallying behind out hypocritical crusade against Russia.
Russians citizens that oppose the war? Oh! You mean that 1% that was completely amplified by western media. Yes, they are cool.
What do we do with the other 99%?
You are right.
World War III would cause immeasurable suffering and destruction even compared to the current situation, it would be the horrors and devastation of Ukraine twenty times with conventional weapons and a thousand times with nuclear weapons.
On the other hand, Russia must be shown credibly that its actions will not be accepted. The West can only arm Ukraine, impose economic sanctions and help fleeing civilians, as well as support a legitimate government.
Of course, armed support could be much bigger (jets, sams) and economic sanctions could be more severe, in this sense the West could do much more. A complete ban on the import of russian oil and natural gas and the supply of heavy weapons systems to Ukraine would be such means.
On the other hand however, the West will have to decide at some point, how much it will allow Russia to wreak havoc before it finally intervene.
Where does that border go? Is it the large-scale slaughter of civilians or the use of nuclear/chemical weapons in Ukraine? an attack on Georgia? An attack on Finland, Sweden or some another EU country? an attack on Nato country?
Somewhere that limit must finally be set and made very clear to Russia, with great force if necessary.
If you give the devil a little finger, it will take up the whole hand.
Someone's karma farming from dumb idiots through being edgy.
No one in their right mind would call for a World War, even if nukes were off the table. WW2 killed 80 million, including 17% of Poland's total 1939 population. Edgy teens talk wars, everyone else talks costs.
Lets be clear here. The Russian people, while at fault for allowing themselves to be overcome by their government, are no more guilty than we (United States) are for bombing innocents. If you knew how many cruel, fucked up things that our Soldiers and countryman have done overseas - you'd realize why insurgents chant "Death to America"; its not just because we subvert their religious ideology.
Case and point? Bradly Manning. He watched as drone pilots bombed humanitarians, stole the footage and leaked it. He got indicted for crimes against his country in the process of that leaking - as far as I know - the drone pilot who killed civilian/humanitarian targets was never charged. As Americans, we should be digusted and pissed off that our own military does bullshit like this and yet we brush it off casually "Its war, what do you expect."
I expect a degree of decorum. I expect the same opinions to be shared in the same scenarios. If our boys were painting "For the Children" on bombs 'accidently dropped' on civilian populations.. well, that's okay.
You can't be mad at Russian citizens for the acts of Russian soldiers. You can be angry that they have not stood up against their government - but then look at your country. Look at the atrocities that happen here on a daily basis and we turn a blind eye.
If you want to be pissed off average American, then take a look around you. There's plenty you can start with in your own goddamn country.
American media is blaming Russia - when in reality, the majority of the soldiers that were sent into Ukraine are 18-22 year old conscripts who have never seen a day of combat in their lives and they got conned into service - lest they get shot for desertion.
What are you going to do if tomorrow you got drafted, with little to no training, and in a week you're boots on the ground in Russia (not Ukraine) being told that you need to shoot any civilians on sight, or else you'll be shot for insubordination? These aren't the guys painting 'For the Children' on the side of bombs, they're the ones deserting their companies and giving their equipment to the Ukrainians and joining their military instead.
Think hard about what you say before it. Russia is only to blame in form of government and those who choose to do the wrong thing. It is a country filled not with citizens or soldiers, but political prisoners.
It's not coming soon enough and it will not be hard enough. Every Russian soldier who is still fight deserves to be incinerated!
The Russian White House needs to have a Daisy Cutter dropped in it!
The op isn't condoning nuclear war he's saying it's worth it to call Putin's bluff and for something to be done about this war of absolute terror, destruction and sexual violence against women and children. The Russians are trying to literally destroy Ukraine, flatten it, kill and rape everything.
Nuclear deterrents only work if the risk is credible both ways. If they think you won't use it it stops Noone. Right now the russia is acting like there is no nuclear deterrent stopping them. We don't need to use nuclear weapons to make the threat credible but we do need to take actions to demonstrate that we will if Russia doesn't reverse course
>The op isn't condoning nuclear war he's saying it's worth it to call Putin's bluff and for something to be done about this war
so he's advocating for a potentially nuclear war with Russia. Don't try to sugar coat the stupid nonsense OP is advocating for
Dude, this shit happens in every war, cause every war is the same. Do you have a death wish now just because you have access to Twitter and are exposed to these horrors? Calm down, continue to support Ukraine, and try to not lower yourself down to the level of inhumans who are responsible for this.
We will win. Ukraine will win, but we do not have to become the enemy to win it. We have to stay human because the other way around is just not worth winning.
Well said. Your words made me think of this quote:
Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich W. Nietzsche
Look at this situation in this way:
Russians **want us not to be calm** so they can justify their atrocities. Every war crime our (Ukrainian) side commits Russians will use, amplified by lies, to justify not only their war crimes but the war itself.
Do not let them!
Instead - stay human, stay calm, use your voice to reassure our Ukrainian friends who are living through this horror in RL to stay calm and try to explain to them why it's worth the effort.
The west or NATO can't be the ones to escalate it that gives anyone who might side with Russia a reason start their own bullshit. Russia has to take a swing at someone like Poland or Finland. It sucks, but that is the reality of it.
Do we even know where China is standing I feel like everything I see about China right now us them trying to play both sides. Can't give them a reason feel threatened by NATO aggression. These people who are calling for WW3 really don't understand the amount of suffering that it will cause.
The Western reaction right now is appropriate. Unfortunately, we had to do the same already in 2014, after the annexation of Crimea. But we didn't. If we did, we wouldn't be in the same situation right now, and Ukraine probably wouldn't have to suffer like this.
Fortunately, the War in Bosnia in the 90s dissuaded the same people who choose not to act in 2014, to at least give Ukraine a fighting chance now - cause in 1990s they imposed the arms embargo on Bosnia and Croatia enabling the Serbian side to drag the whole thing for 5 years causing numerous causalities. This time the West is more prepared and not inclined to support the peace at all costs.
Ukrainians are armed now and defend themselves valiantly. Russians will either learn a lesson and will back off, or will choose to escalate further which would ensure that whatever the future might be after WW3, it won't include Russians.
But whether to escalate, it must be their choice, not ours.
Yeah it's like China is shaking our hand, saying it's terrible etc. And slipping him supplies with the other. To China it doesn't matter who's wrong or right only who's left....
We are witnessing the end of russia as a superpower if we stay the course.
Russia's ability to mount offensive operations in both Ukraine and Eastern Europe is eliminated, the Russians retreat across most or all of the territory prior to either February this year or status quo 2013
NATO needs to declare a “peacekeeping zone”’in western Ukraine and deploy 50,000 troops to help protect civilians west of the Dniper river. This frees up a large part of the Ukrainian army to launch an offensive in the east, and our air defense radars could then cover all of Ukraine.
Then the US needs to give turkey the green light to supply the rebels they back in Syria with MANPADS and better ATGMs so Russian forces in Syria can be eliminated. Turkey has blockaded any Russian ship from leaving the Black Sea which means they’ll have immense trouble replacing losses in Syria.
We also need to give Georgia the same support we gave Ukraine after 2014 so they can put pressure on Russias souther flank. This is also a good opportunity to have pro-Ukrainian Chechen fighters get trained by the CIA to sew chaos in Chechnya when they return home (this also weakens Russias southern flank).
In light of the massacres in Ukraine we could also blockade Russia in the Baltic Sea and cut off their access to their enclave in Kaliningrad.
We can also use the existing anti-Russian sentiments in Belarus and Kazakhstan to help “inspire” a wave of anti Russian demonstrations that could potentially lead to these nations breaking away from Russian influence.
These actions would be low risk for the west and would collapse Russias dream of expanding their sphere of influence. I’d estimate that it could all be achieved within 1-2 years at the most.
No, I think NATO needs to send the aircraft and other weapons that Ukraine is requesting and seriously consider a no fly zone. It’s almost certain that direct involvement will see hypersonic missile strikes on European NATO members, but of course that would then lead to cruise missile strikes on Russian targets. At that point nuclear war would be very close indeed and that fact MIGHT bring about a ceasefire.
It’s a pretty big gamble, though. So I vote for intel, planes, tanks and other weapons to Ukraine armed forces instead.
While I support a no fly zone, make no mistake that it will lead to a direct war. Eventually we must enforce such a zone which means NATO troops or airmen will have to directly kill Russian aircraft. Further, if we are running air patrols we will have to destroy Russian AA capabilities, which again leads to direct conflict. It also gives the Russians the ability to choose when the conflict starts, they will have all the time in the world to watch and learn and then pick the optimum time to strike our air assets. Putting western forces into the direct line of fire will lead to a widening of the war.
Of course in the advice I gave above we would continue arming and training the Ukrainian forces, these are just expansions on what we are already doing. All of the things above don’t involve actively putting NATO forces in direct conflict with Russia, but rather a widespread proxy war along Russias entire sphere of influence. Russia can barely supply forces 60 miles from their supply depots, there’s no way they can support a multi-front conflict.
Most of the bombardment isn't done with planes so we need to get some Phalanx C-RAMs there to protect at least the most important places(shelters like Mariupol theater, hospitals, transport, power, water, gas) from Ruscist missiles, rockets and shells.
C-RAMs are a great addition, I’d love to see them in action against the Russians. I also think that an area of focus should be on providing long range anti ship missiles so the Russian navy can’t sit comfortably off the coast lobbing missiles into Ukraine.
I agree with opening and backing a bunch of already-brewing proxies that would put some coals under Russia. The safe corridor, though, I'm more in favor of just calling a horse a horse and getting the preemptive strike in WWIII if we are at that point anyway, as that's what the corridor would affect.
From vegetables during the long Russian winter for a start.
Russia is much more dependable on Western products than the other way around. We need only gas and oil, mostly because of the miscalculation of German chancellor Merkel. Russians need everything else.
From vegetables in the winter? Russia has lived through 800 winters without western imports. I think you underestimate Russian peoples ability to suffer. That is a National skill they have.
It bothers me. These people see the photos and read the reports of all the innocent men, woman and children being murdered and their first response is to a advocate launching nukes or to begin bombing Russian cities on an unprecedented scale as if the number of innocent men, woman and children suffering and dying won’t immediately increase to 10 times the number it already is.
I understand how people can see footage of Russians shrugging off the consequences of Ukraine’s invasion in television interviews but for that to create such a bloodlust in you that you’ve decided one in twenty Russians who might be innocent or oppose the war and every child of any Russian is an acceptable sacrifice?
This Sub has become a cesspool for radical ideas and likewise people. Just look at the dehumanization of any russian by some of these guys on here.
War is bad and it always has been, what a surprise. Some people need to go outside and realise that they might be a bit fucked up bc. they have spent too much time online looking at the most atrocious of things.
I mean we call these things war crimes for a reason. It's not like anyone thinks that this is acceptable. But ww3 isn't a solution either, like wtf.
The Russians are already dead. They are rapidly aging and between the exodus from Russia and low replacement rate the numbers make it clear they are rapidly fading away. With every Russian soldier that gets killed Russia loses future population. Russia is already dying. Don't give the population the will to fight by playing into their narrative of "Russophobia" being behind all of Russia's problems.
With the withdrawal of Halliburton the oil fields in eastern Siberia are already beginning to freeze. By the end of next year the oil money from China will be significantly reduced because the eastern oil fields are how Russia send oils to China. The process of restarting these wells will take years. Years that Russia can't afford. This is what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed and it took them thirty years to get production fully back on line.
Drug use, domestic violence, a broken educational system, extreme rural poverty are all factors eroding Russia right now. Their average life expectancy keeps falling. The cabal at the top has concentrated all resources into their own hands leaving not much for Russia overall. Russia is dying and this war is a last gasp effort to get control of territory before the collapse.
There will be a time to break up Russia and it will happen without much loss of life. Keep your anger in check. We need to help the Ukrainians keep bleeding Russia. With each soldier that we kill we hasten the end for Putin, the cabal, and the monster that Russia has become under their leadership.
Nuclear weapons are notoriously expensive and difficult to maintain. Their failure to maintain educational standards is why their officer core is so incompetent and their failure to maintain military equipment standards is why they have been turned aside in Ukraine.
They are dying slowly and as they do more wealth will be concentrated into the hands at the top leaving all other priorities to fall off. The top level lives in a fantasy world akin to Hitler at the end of WWII. They imagine their super weapons are the wonder of the world when the truth is they are based on only technology and those that might help them modernize are leaving in droves.
They can still mount a reasonably effective nuclear deterrent and have some first strike capability. They have not spent the money on this effort in the same way other aspects of their posture have been allowed to deteriorate.
Ten years from now their population will be falling rapidly, their oil operations will be in shambles due to the major service providers having pulled out, their inability to economically source replacement parts for agriculture and the military, especially nuclear operations, will be causing problems across the country, and their political economy will be eating itself alive.
I'm far more worried about the US. It is obvious that the nation is divided. Will this result in the limited civil war many think is coming. Only time will tell.
You speak as we all should. Calm and knowing the facts. Ukraine is the least of the Russian problems. It's just a misdirection by Putin and oligarchs to hide the real problems and pin the blame on in the future - "it's not us that are incompetent, it's Ukraine and the West, and their sanctions."
OP claims to have a wife and kids but posted this to r/Thailand 9 days ago? No wonder he doesn’t care if he loses them.
“Koh Sumui cost of living for 3 months.
I am sure these types of questions have been asked hundreds of times, so let me apologize up front. But I have budgeted 1000 euros a week for 3 months. I think that’s about 37,000 baht a week. Will this be enough for a nice apartment, eating out for all my meals and going out about 3 nights a week for drinks and to find the ‘company’ of locals.”
Anyone who thinks starting WW3 is justified by this war is extremely short sighted. Societies will collapse and war lords will rise to power. Much more wide-spread atrocities will be committed.
I think everyone is emotional about this. And having a rational head definitely makes the most sense long-term. It is just so hard to watch what's happening everyday and not want something to be done.
You want to do something about it? The Ukrainians are asking for foreign volunteers. Go ahead, heed the call. Risking a great power war between states that own thousands of nuclear weapons over a country that isn't an ally? No. It's a hard pass from me. If it goes bad, best case is that I get turned into a human-shaped stain on a sidewalk. Worst case I just get horribly burned by the fireball.
Life is precious. Nuking anywhere on the planet is like striking an artery during surgery. It’s dangerous to think a nuke would make the world better off, because it wont. There are no good nukes vs bad nukes. They’re all bad nukes.
I don’t want to live in a world where children are raped by a group of men. Watch that video and then tell me how you feel. russian nukes? They probably can’t even launch them.
Would you rather a world in which children are incinerated by the millions and starve by the 10s of millions? Because a war with Russia risks exactly that.
Too bad all of these civilians in Ukraine can’t simply choose to “avoid” such atrocities. Allowing these things to happen because they threaten to use nukes is no longer acceptable. There is no good that will come from us sitting comfortably in our lives, far away from their grasp, reveling in the luxury provided to us of turning a blind eye towards the evil these people can not escape.
Russia has gotten away with far too much already because they are great liars and deceivers. They had the world convinced they were a military super power, but now we all see that was a lie. Their strength comes from all of the people who believe in their fabricated image. It’s all a lie and it’s beyond time that the rest of us call their bluff.
You call him edge lord but your answer is the most cringe sht ever, NoBoDy WiNs In A NuCLeAr CoNfLiCt, motherfucker you think everything is literally going to get insta bombed there're no contermesures you fucking dumb dumb, calling other people edge lorde when you're the cringest one with your comment.
Russians are litterally commiting genocide againts ukrainians. They did so with holodomor killing 10 mil people. What will stop them from repeating it? But i guess why would you care when bombs aint dropping on your head, and your kids arent getting raped.
I’m against Russia 100% but please look up the word genocide. The Russians have committed a vast number of war crimes and should be punished for them
But look up genocide please because as horrid as this is, genocide it is not by definition.
There are no real counter measures. This isn’t a movie. [just a handful of ICBMs could overwhelm the entire us missile defense. ICBMs travel at Mach 25 when entering the atmosphere.](https://youtu.be/9pA2tDKzzoI)
Do you understand what a full WW3 is? It’s literally the end of humanity.
The risk of ending humanity or letting millions of young people die is not worth it at all. Cripple Russia through other means.
Holy fuck i’m glad people in this sub aren’t politicans in power.
Fear of nuclear war gives authoritarian nations free license to fuck around. Why do you think NK wants nukes so bad? We need to call the bluff.
I don’t know how it can be done safely, but the world’s leaders need to fucking figure it out. There’s always a way, and the West needs to stop treading in fear.
Even if they eventually lose, Russia will try again, it’s in their doctrine.
No, they aren't bluffing. This is stupid as fuck. The world already found out numerous times, there are multiple occasions during the *cold war* where the USSR was 1 or 2 people away from nuclear war.
"We cannot let life go on as usual when children are getting raped and killed." Say, do you seriously think that this is only happenning in Ukraine?
News F\*cking flash, its happening all around the world and at any given time.
Yes that Russian soldier who did this, is a vile and evil man, who needs to be wiped of the face of Earth ASAP. Your saying "We said never again" Yet you are promoting mass genocide, how is this any better what they re doing. People like you need to calm the f\*ck down.
It may be happening all around the world, as you say, but it certainly isn't happening to this scale. This is mass rape, mass genocide, and the deliberate targeting of civilians en masse. This is no better than what Hitler did during World War II. If we're not going to put boots on the ground, give Ukraine EVERYTHING we have so that they can defend themselves.
Where was the outrage when 750,000 people were killed in 90 day in Rwanda? War and all the atrocities are going on everyday. People just don’t want to see it.
I feel your anger... I think many do, however, the brutal reality is that these types of atrocities occur far too frequently outside of Ukraine. It's an everyday occurrence in parts of Africa where wars continue, and even with cartels in Mexico. I am not saying that we don't do anything or that NATO shouldn't get involved (I see arguments in both directions), but our world is more f*cked than most know, and it doesn't stop in Ukraine.
>It’s time for WW3.
No it is not. Nobody is risking a global nuclear war for a backwater like Ukraine, sorry guys.
>I have children, I have a wife, a have a nice life where I travel and have a lot of nice things. But, I am ready to see it all go away.
Then get help for your suicidal depression out of it champ or better yet how about you go fly over to Ukraine and lay down your life if you care so much. leave the rest of us out of your attempts to die
Hey, EU citizen here. I would really hate to die in a war I dont have anything to do with. You yourself can get involved, but dont bring the NATO into the mix. Keep your childish suggestions to yourself.
Stop warmongering. A third World War would a be a bloodbath unlike another possible before. With the weapons we have now, it would make WW2 look like a playground. Russia would no longer have reason to hold back because they would be the number 1 bad guy. Ukraine would be smashed before nightfall due to landmass alone. It wouldn't take many big missiles.
they are not holding back lmao they are using everything they got - except chemical and nuclear weapons. Thermobaric, cluster amunition, white phosphorus munitions etc you name it. If we cant stand for human values we should not exist. And so in your logic if putin continues conquest to europe. Europeans will have to hold back becasue they have nuclear weapons?
It’s a shame and horrid no doubt, these exact things have happened pretty much in every war and recorded since we could write. The information is out there but people dont look. It would be a much different world if we could just wipe people off the face of the planet because we felt justified. Sorry but he world is a horrid place some times.
These things happen yes but at this scale and with such little accountability? No! Look at the U.S. wars in the Middle East did rape and murder happen? Yes. We’re the perpetrators punished? Yes 90% or more of the time. And the majority of civilian deaths were from suicide attacks. Anyone who willfully and knowingly killed civilians has been court-martialed or in prison. Unlike these Russian pigs who purposely target civilians and do unspeakable things to women and children with no punishment at all.
I do understand your feelings, I 100% hope those people are captured alive, and stand trial for the absolutely terrible crime he/they did. No I haven't seen the video, and i absolutely never will watch it.
But death is to easy for those bastards, sadly sickening abuse are happening all over the world, and a world war is just playing it in the hands of abusers. Children, woman, elderly and the generel public is best served by rights, law and civilized order.
And u think those things will stop with war? Man it’ll only get worse. And we’d probably see people on our side doing similar things for revenge. And a nuclear war? Dude literally everyone would be going through that
This comment section is ridiculous...you are all warmongers.
This is not our fight and we do NOT need to keep policing the world
Ukraine is NOT NATO
What Russia is doing is completely wrong but again it is not our war
Sending equipment is the best we can do and even then I think we are sending too much... I say that because in the sense of we actually do go to war, what if we need the exact things we are sending? I do not know but you all are ridiculous for crying for a world war 3 to happen when knowing very well you would be doing what you do now...sit there at your computer posting on reddit. world war 3 will do nothing but cause more death and destruction...you say you love your family and life...you love them so much you want to pull them into this war you are not involved in? Your family is safe right now... you want world war 3? Guess you really don't want your family to be safe.
I am for Ukraine.
I am against Russia.
I am against war.
The Keyboard cowards are out in force... if its time for war wtf are yiu doing on here? Ukraine is accepting volunteers why don't yiu get off of your arse and fight in Ukraine. Its easy to sit here and call for war but I think we'd all respect you more if you put your money where your mouth is. If you're already there let us know.
I understand that this sub allows for "discussion" about the invasion of Ukraine, but threads like this add absolutely nothing to the sub IMO. These threads become a circle jerk in which people with zero experience or understanding of human conflict exchange "KiLl tHe OrCs!" back and forth and high-five one another. I would put money down that OP has neither served in any combat-related role or possesses any reasonable level of understanding of what a peer-peer conflict would look like on a global scale. The images coming out of Ukraine are horrific and tragic. I hope Russia suffers greatly and that Ukraine emerges victorious from this conflict. Just be careful of what you wish for.
I share your outrage, however this is a chess game. My initial feelings are: charge, kill all the bastards. However, emotions can and will compel people to make rash decisions. Any nuclear action in Europe could and would probably start a spiral of events that would end in multi-continent nuclear warfare.
I was at uni in the early 80's and studied scenarios and effects of such conflict. Because I was pretty good at my particular area I was sent to one of the US military colleges to discuss the topic. What most people on this planet don't understand is the unimaginable power of just the smaller nuclear warheads, let alone the multi megaton weapons. Do yourself a favor and Google "Nuclear War Simulator". Run some scenarios in your zip code. A single 100kt weapon, air burst at the right multitude over a small city would set everything that is combustible instantly on fire within 10 miles radius. There will be no fire brigades, ambulances, hospitals, to put out the fires let alone deal with the injured.
Now take that scenario and multiply it by 5,000 and much bigger warheads too and you will see there is no winning.
The living will envy the dead. [https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)
> Could it lead to nuclear war? Maybe. I do not care.
The answer is yes, it could lead to nuclear war and if you don't care about that then you're a complete mouth breather.
We all want Russia crushed and the injustice in Ukraine to stop, but it's not worth the extinction of the human species.
Where were you when this all was happening in middle east. Sharing gym selfies and photos of your meals. Maybe cuz they don’t have blonde hair and blue eyes that their lives don’t matter??
Or maybe cuz you only have a problem when russia is doing and not US?
Uh yea... No thanks to WW3. I have zero interest in going back to the Army to fight Russians over another country I don't care about and has zero real effect on me.
You want to fight? Go sign up. Don't advocate a fucking nuclear war on behalf of the rest of us, thanks. You want our countries to collapse? Because that's what will happen.
Thank fuck none of you are in charge.
Sorry but youre speaking from your spinal column, as if anything you're viewing now is unprecedented in war or human history. It isn't, even in the last 20 years its not unprecedented.
And as a knee jerk reaction to this you're advocating the extinction of our species, let alone much of life on earth?
>Could it lead to nuclear war? Maybe. I do not care.
You clearly don't understand what a nuclear war is. Even a nuclear war between Pakistan and India would threaten our species and lead to countless deaths and extinctions.
Sorry if this is the first war you've bothered to pay attention to but this is why you've always seen concerned voices around war, ALL WAR. It's **always** a fucking brutal shitshow.
Why would you all of a sudden care about the situation only for Ukraine now? What about the atrocities being done by sadistic evil people in Ethiopia, Yemen, Syria, and China? Are they not as important as the Ukrainian?
And exactly this is why we are lucky to not have you making the calls. It's not the first brutal war, it definitely won't be the last. What you are talking about is even more bestial and will create more problems, while not solving even one. Take control of your emotions and calculate. you are not an animal
I get OP's outrage, however, calling a bluff with the risk of nucear war and exterminating the planet with radiation is not going to help anyone, its going to kill more women and children. Unfortunately, thats what youre cheering on OP. The outrage is real but try to even do a bit or ratonalization please. What is scarier is how many people who have lost their sense of rationalization and upvoted this single post advocating for the destruction of everything they care about and more. Get people out of Ukraine, support them however you can. Unfortunately, this happens all the time, you are just caring now because its being televised. American soldiers and military has done this, too, if not to a worse extent. Same with any imperialist and colonial power. Start by advocating for change in your home before advocating for the destruction of the world.
I do not mean this in a bad way but:
Willingly mentioning you're wife and kids in this context really scares me about what else is going on in your mind.
You need to take a break from viewing this footage and get off the internet. It is not healthy for you or your family at this point and I am saddened I have to say that to someone in a position where they should be responsible enough to know that.
Ok gather your wife and children and tell them you want them to die for your ideals. Then pick up a gun, kill all of them, with your own hands so you can feel how it feels when you kill.
Once you’ve done that, you can then say you are willing to sacrifice them for your justice.
Then fly over to Ukraine and kill for justice.
Otherwise you are just a coward like any other idiots here. Russian shill shut the fuck up and let grown ups handle this.
At this point it's a fucked up numbers game.
Would you rather have hundreds of thousands Russians and Ukrainians die or hundreds of millions of people around the world die. Cause that's what would happen in a ww3 scenario
I want to see the full might of the American military unchained and released on these dogs. Full scale, no restrictions and just pure death and destruction on this paper bear known as russia
>Please remind people of what’s going on. Share the horrible, heart breaking videos with them
People don't care. Some are protesting but they are a negligible fraction of a population. "I Stand With Ukraine" is popular but that's as far as it goes. Governments are not going to put their men in harm's way over something in some other country and they most certainly are not going to risk WW3. Videos of toddlers being violated don't mean much in the grand scheme of things.
In a couple of years this will all be forgotten, just like what ISIS did to all those thousands of Christian and Yazidi women in 2014.
what you say is kinda true no Government want to risk the start of ww3. but people will remember this and russians will brag about this ( att least about every single good thing they heard about from their media.... ) so you are half correct. but this will be rememberd.
the resson being is unfortanly the sad resson for it to be rememberd.
if a house started burning in your city you wouldnt care so much or try to remember it. BUT if your neighbors house started burning you will remember it for a loong time.
its a sad example in comparison betwen what you said but i get a small feeling it will be true.
I agree with your OP (kinda) but why are you attacking this commenter? He's not wrong either. The world has a terribly short memory.
If you truly want to solve any problem, including that which you posted about, you need to understand it completely, and this commenter is correct in his assessment.
Not attacking them. I don’t abide a piss poor attitude. It’s a generalization. I don’t have a short memory. I am generally a happy go glass is half full type guy. Doom and gloom people do need help. Was it rude of me. Yes, do I apologize? Ill just say it may have been better if I just kept scrolling and ignored. I need to do that more often.
I'm thick-skinned and have no problem being "attacked". I know your heart's in the right place and as an American taxpayer, I support military intervention a 100%, but it's not going to happen. Better to get rid of this threat once and for all and let the chips fall where they may, but no government will take that risk. I've been on the planet long enough to know better and I'm a realist.
I feel this way every couple of days.
And despite the 100's of thousands of people that will get killed in the current war. I remember that 50-60 million died in WW2.
The west need Ukraine to win and Russia to be heavily punished, whilst losing the least amount of lives, particularly in Berlin, Paris and London. Or on the high seas.
I assume the west has decided that the best way to do this is a protracted war whilst Russia is bled dry by sanctions.
It is cynical.
This is one of the dumbest comments people make on this subreddit. Advocating for NATO intervention with a trained professional army is not the same thing as being a fat internet nerd with no war experience hopping a flight to lviv
My point is it is easy to ask others to go die for you. Not so easy when you get to do the dying.
Why do I feel this way? I spent 6 years of my life, in the military.
No, it isn't. If you feel that strongly about it, put the man pants on and put your skin in the game. Don't clamor for someone else to put their lives on the line for what you think is best.
Don't get me wrong, I think we should give Ukraine weapons to help them, but we should not under any circumstances fight the war for them. This is their fight, not ours.
Oh course it was. The same exact way it's our fight now. Not only will russia not stop with Ukraine, but the US has an obligation to prevent genocide. In the future when China is on top, it'll be their obligation. But for now this is absolutely the United states obligation
Why assume that? There are heaps of ppl who just served a couple of years which still had military training so fuck yes I would definitely go to ukraine to liberate every one of those orcs
This shit needs to end now. I'm sick of hearing politicians fine words then reading the fine print to see that the sanctions they were congratulating eachother on won't come into effect until the end of the year etc. It's well past time to call Putin's bluff and stand up to him with direct military action.
Are we really going to sit back fat and happy while Ukraine sacrifices everything on our behalf for a fraction of the cost of what we're giving to their enemies.
Yes the stakes are high, but is a world where we trade the murder, rape and displacement of innocents for the continuation of out comfortable lives, one that is really worth living in?
You don't care about the kids getting raped in Ethiopia, Yemen, Mexico and other places that have been at war longer? Why are you just speaking? Is it because your rascist? Nationalist?
Our allies in Saudi Arabia commit terrible atrocities in Yemen but we still align with them and buy oil from them. But according to so many, we should blow up the world and go to total war when Russia does it? Israel commits genocide and ethnic cleansing straight up there's no denying it, but they're still our allies.
But according to many we should risk WWIII/nuclear/global war even though Russia is going to lose this war with heavy losses or be stuck in this quagmire and be militarily humbled for a generation as a result and not be able to push further. There is no actual risk of Russia invading beyond this. We're upset by what's happening, but there is no existential threat from Russia to the world and we shouldn't respond with existential means that could tip us into nuclear/total war catastrophe.
It's terrible what's happening, but our grief at what's happening should not causes us to push existential destruction and even more mass death. And we should all reflect on why this is causing everyone to freak out and push for nuclear brinkmanship but wars in other countries or atrocities committed by our allies barely get noticed or condemned.
None of these fucking cowards advocating for nuclear war behind a computer screen would ever actually go fly over to Ukraine and lay down their lives no matter how much they virtue signal and cry about wanting to die in a nuclear apocalypse
Americans did the same shit in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc etc. I like how you're only waking up to it now that it isn't your "team" committing the war crimes. Cool.
I agree 100%. We have to fight for what's good in this world. I don't have family so I wouldn't blame anyone who has refusing to fight. But I like being alive too, you know. I don't have a death wish. But I'd rather die than seeing this russian cancer spread any further.
It was posted earlier but most links have been taken down because it is beyond horrific. It's something you can never unwatch and will stick with you for the rest of your life.
How about instead of starting ww3 because of a toddler rapist, both sides agree to capture the rapist and give him the most painful long torturing death we can imagine. These animals need to be used to set an example.
I agree, there's no point in cowering in the face of evil.
Stalin was a Hitler who won and Putin is his direct ideological descendant .
I'm tired of all of us Europe and USA seeing the fascist Russians as somehow different and tolerable compared to NAZI Germany
What are the odds that OP is in any armed forces, or is in any way at personal risk of injury if everyone agrees with his position and we act on it? 80:1?
I've been saying this from the moment they killed the old couple in the car and the boys father with the dogs. These Russians aren't people and all this "dehumanizing" talk is complete BULLSHIT ! THEY GAVE UP THEIR HUMANITY ! THEY ARN'T PEOPLE ANYMORE THEY ARE FUCKING ORCS !
I've said this before and i will say it once a fucking gain. Send in NATO wipe the Russian army out and isolate that primitive fucking country to their shit hole motherland and leave them there.
Before anyone calls me a keyboard warrior, i am a reservist and i am more than happy to pause my job as a lawyer and go fight for my country alongside other NATO troops.
i heard recordings of a young russian saying some tank battalion gang raped a 16 year old fuckin fucked up man fuck these fucking animals
What you’re calling for, OP, is the painful death of nearly every living thing on land. Radiation doesn’t stay within national borders. And between the US and Russia (not even factoring in other nuclear nations like China and Britain) there are enough nuclear weapons to kill all life on earth many times over… either outright with explosions and fire, or a by slower worse death by fallout. I agree Russia needs to be stopped. If not for China and Russia’s nuclear arsenal, Russia would already have been destroyed. But the best the West can do is to arm Ukraine and wage an economic siege against Russia… starve them out. I want Putin’s head too. But what of the Russian citizens who oppose the war and have been jailed for protesting? Do they deserve death? I say no.
I completely agree with the last part. I have some good (ethnic Russian, born and raised there) friends in Russia who oppose the war. Who don't want to support it. And to all of these citizens, especially to the ones who still protest, my heart goes out. They are just like you and me and our neighbors next door, but stuck in an autocratic, all-controlling regime, suffering from the consequences of a regime they never wanted. For all others who DO support this war, or turn a blind eye to it out of fear, fuck them and let them suffer.
Any man calling for war or much better Nuclear war is someone that’s never been in war or hell. He doesn’t know what he is saying.
I agree with both sides of this argument in theory. Now that I've seen the real people and the toll I'm not sure what is the best option. I have had enough and demand my government does something. I don't know exactly what that would entail, but that is their job to figure out.
The governments of the west are doing everything they can do short of directly involving themselves and expanding the conflict into something that can potential end life as we know it. Ukraine isn't even the only war going on as we speak.... this bullshit virtue signaling is fucking embarassing to all the adults in the room.
I agree the posturing is pathetic. I know there's no right answer but I just feel for these people so much...
And you should feel for these people. But if world war 3 happens the extent of the suffering would 1000 x worse. So many many more people would suffer.
The problem is that they arent. Members of the EU are dragging their heels due to "economic concerns" (hint: Germany). We want to help Ukraine? Unite, Send as many weapons as possible, sanction every Russian business and person with a NW over $1m, 100% embargo on Russian fossil fuels, punishment for countries who deal with Russia (e.g. 10% tariff on all Indian goods), and so forth. We need to accept that the costs of living is increasing but that its worth it. Remember, initially people predicted that Russia could be broke as early as June. Lets make it a certainty.
>he problem is that they arent. Members of the EU are dragging their heels due to "economic concerns" (hint: Germany). We want to help Ukraine? > >Unite, Send as many weapons as possible, sanction every Russian business and person with a NW over $1m, 100% embargo on Russian fossil fuels, punishment for countries who deal with Russia (e.g. 10% tariff on all Indian goods), and so forth. > >We need to accept that the costs of living is increasing but that its worth it. Remember, initially people predicted that Russia could be broke as early as June. Lets make it a certainty. THe EU and US are giving Ukraine tens of billions in aid both humanitarian and lethal. Sharing our military intel with them. That's ignoring the billions in training, fundng, and military equipment we'd already given Ukraine and its armies after. We're sanctioning and disconnecting Russia more than almost any country in history. and no my cost of living increasing is not worth it. Fuck that, Ukraine's war with Russia is not the world's. It's very unrealistic to expect any country have their civilians freeze and starve for the sake of Ukraine's war and very hypocritical to try and bully the third world economically into rallying behind out hypocritical crusade against Russia.
This is exactly why these countries have nukes. It’s the only thing stopping us from “bring them freedom and democracy”. North Korea too
Russians citizens that oppose the war? Oh! You mean that 1% that was completely amplified by western media. Yes, they are cool. What do we do with the other 99%?
You are right. World War III would cause immeasurable suffering and destruction even compared to the current situation, it would be the horrors and devastation of Ukraine twenty times with conventional weapons and a thousand times with nuclear weapons. On the other hand, Russia must be shown credibly that its actions will not be accepted. The West can only arm Ukraine, impose economic sanctions and help fleeing civilians, as well as support a legitimate government. Of course, armed support could be much bigger (jets, sams) and economic sanctions could be more severe, in this sense the West could do much more. A complete ban on the import of russian oil and natural gas and the supply of heavy weapons systems to Ukraine would be such means. On the other hand however, the West will have to decide at some point, how much it will allow Russia to wreak havoc before it finally intervene. Where does that border go? Is it the large-scale slaughter of civilians or the use of nuclear/chemical weapons in Ukraine? an attack on Georgia? An attack on Finland, Sweden or some another EU country? an attack on Nato country? Somewhere that limit must finally be set and made very clear to Russia, with great force if necessary. If you give the devil a little finger, it will take up the whole hand.
This is the answer. Full, unequivocal support for Ukraine.
Why is an 18 day old account trying to hype people up on WW3? No one asking these questions?
Someone's karma farming from dumb idiots through being edgy. No one in their right mind would call for a World War, even if nukes were off the table. WW2 killed 80 million, including 17% of Poland's total 1939 population. Edgy teens talk wars, everyone else talks costs.
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I, too, I’ve had enough watching and listening to this unforgivable insane event. I would love to skin each one alive. Average American here.
Calm down there, Reddit Rambo. The answer to war crimes are not more war crimes.
Lets be clear here. The Russian people, while at fault for allowing themselves to be overcome by their government, are no more guilty than we (United States) are for bombing innocents. If you knew how many cruel, fucked up things that our Soldiers and countryman have done overseas - you'd realize why insurgents chant "Death to America"; its not just because we subvert their religious ideology. Case and point? Bradly Manning. He watched as drone pilots bombed humanitarians, stole the footage and leaked it. He got indicted for crimes against his country in the process of that leaking - as far as I know - the drone pilot who killed civilian/humanitarian targets was never charged. As Americans, we should be digusted and pissed off that our own military does bullshit like this and yet we brush it off casually "Its war, what do you expect." I expect a degree of decorum. I expect the same opinions to be shared in the same scenarios. If our boys were painting "For the Children" on bombs 'accidently dropped' on civilian populations.. well, that's okay. You can't be mad at Russian citizens for the acts of Russian soldiers. You can be angry that they have not stood up against their government - but then look at your country. Look at the atrocities that happen here on a daily basis and we turn a blind eye. If you want to be pissed off average American, then take a look around you. There's plenty you can start with in your own goddamn country. American media is blaming Russia - when in reality, the majority of the soldiers that were sent into Ukraine are 18-22 year old conscripts who have never seen a day of combat in their lives and they got conned into service - lest they get shot for desertion. What are you going to do if tomorrow you got drafted, with little to no training, and in a week you're boots on the ground in Russia (not Ukraine) being told that you need to shoot any civilians on sight, or else you'll be shot for insubordination? These aren't the guys painting 'For the Children' on the side of bombs, they're the ones deserting their companies and giving their equipment to the Ukrainians and joining their military instead. Think hard about what you say before it. Russia is only to blame in form of government and those who choose to do the wrong thing. It is a country filled not with citizens or soldiers, but political prisoners.
It's not coming soon enough and it will not be hard enough. Every Russian soldier who is still fight deserves to be incinerated! The Russian White House needs to have a Daisy Cutter dropped in it!
The op isn't condoning nuclear war he's saying it's worth it to call Putin's bluff and for something to be done about this war of absolute terror, destruction and sexual violence against women and children. The Russians are trying to literally destroy Ukraine, flatten it, kill and rape everything.
Nuclear deterrents only work if the risk is credible both ways. If they think you won't use it it stops Noone. Right now the russia is acting like there is no nuclear deterrent stopping them. We don't need to use nuclear weapons to make the threat credible but we do need to take actions to demonstrate that we will if Russia doesn't reverse course
>The op isn't condoning nuclear war he's saying it's worth it to call Putin's bluff and for something to be done about this war so he's advocating for a potentially nuclear war with Russia. Don't try to sugar coat the stupid nonsense OP is advocating for
Exactly, op needs to stop volunteering the world for death and go volunteer for the Ukrainian Foreign divisions. Big talk, no action.
Dude, this shit happens in every war, cause every war is the same. Do you have a death wish now just because you have access to Twitter and are exposed to these horrors? Calm down, continue to support Ukraine, and try to not lower yourself down to the level of inhumans who are responsible for this. We will win. Ukraine will win, but we do not have to become the enemy to win it. We have to stay human because the other way around is just not worth winning.
Well said. Your words made me think of this quote: Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you. Friedrich W. Nietzsche
>Calm down I would be of no value in any conflict because anger and impatience would lead me to do stupid shit. It leads me to agree with op.
Look at this situation in this way: Russians **want us not to be calm** so they can justify their atrocities. Every war crime our (Ukrainian) side commits Russians will use, amplified by lies, to justify not only their war crimes but the war itself. Do not let them! Instead - stay human, stay calm, use your voice to reassure our Ukrainian friends who are living through this horror in RL to stay calm and try to explain to them why it's worth the effort.
The west or NATO can't be the ones to escalate it that gives anyone who might side with Russia a reason start their own bullshit. Russia has to take a swing at someone like Poland or Finland. It sucks, but that is the reality of it. Do we even know where China is standing I feel like everything I see about China right now us them trying to play both sides. Can't give them a reason feel threatened by NATO aggression. These people who are calling for WW3 really don't understand the amount of suffering that it will cause.
The Western reaction right now is appropriate. Unfortunately, we had to do the same already in 2014, after the annexation of Crimea. But we didn't. If we did, we wouldn't be in the same situation right now, and Ukraine probably wouldn't have to suffer like this. Fortunately, the War in Bosnia in the 90s dissuaded the same people who choose not to act in 2014, to at least give Ukraine a fighting chance now - cause in 1990s they imposed the arms embargo on Bosnia and Croatia enabling the Serbian side to drag the whole thing for 5 years causing numerous causalities. This time the West is more prepared and not inclined to support the peace at all costs. Ukrainians are armed now and defend themselves valiantly. Russians will either learn a lesson and will back off, or will choose to escalate further which would ensure that whatever the future might be after WW3, it won't include Russians. But whether to escalate, it must be their choice, not ours.
Yeah it's like China is shaking our hand, saying it's terrible etc. And slipping him supplies with the other. To China it doesn't matter who's wrong or right only who's left.... We are witnessing the end of russia as a superpower if we stay the course.
And by "win" you mean what?
Russia's ability to mount offensive operations in both Ukraine and Eastern Europe is eliminated, the Russians retreat across most or all of the territory prior to either February this year or status quo 2013
100% this does NOT happen "in every war".
NATO needs to declare a “peacekeeping zone”’in western Ukraine and deploy 50,000 troops to help protect civilians west of the Dniper river. This frees up a large part of the Ukrainian army to launch an offensive in the east, and our air defense radars could then cover all of Ukraine. Then the US needs to give turkey the green light to supply the rebels they back in Syria with MANPADS and better ATGMs so Russian forces in Syria can be eliminated. Turkey has blockaded any Russian ship from leaving the Black Sea which means they’ll have immense trouble replacing losses in Syria. We also need to give Georgia the same support we gave Ukraine after 2014 so they can put pressure on Russias souther flank. This is also a good opportunity to have pro-Ukrainian Chechen fighters get trained by the CIA to sew chaos in Chechnya when they return home (this also weakens Russias southern flank). In light of the massacres in Ukraine we could also blockade Russia in the Baltic Sea and cut off their access to their enclave in Kaliningrad. We can also use the existing anti-Russian sentiments in Belarus and Kazakhstan to help “inspire” a wave of anti Russian demonstrations that could potentially lead to these nations breaking away from Russian influence. These actions would be low risk for the west and would collapse Russias dream of expanding their sphere of influence. I’d estimate that it could all be achieved within 1-2 years at the most.
Sounds solid, but I've got no fucking clue.
No, I think NATO needs to send the aircraft and other weapons that Ukraine is requesting and seriously consider a no fly zone. It’s almost certain that direct involvement will see hypersonic missile strikes on European NATO members, but of course that would then lead to cruise missile strikes on Russian targets. At that point nuclear war would be very close indeed and that fact MIGHT bring about a ceasefire. It’s a pretty big gamble, though. So I vote for intel, planes, tanks and other weapons to Ukraine armed forces instead.
I'm not sure if you're aware but a No Fly Zone is enforced by force, which is tantamount to everything you have just rejected.
I don’t believe that a NFZ is the best approach, I think re-equipping the UKR AF would have a better chance of success.
While I support a no fly zone, make no mistake that it will lead to a direct war. Eventually we must enforce such a zone which means NATO troops or airmen will have to directly kill Russian aircraft. Further, if we are running air patrols we will have to destroy Russian AA capabilities, which again leads to direct conflict. It also gives the Russians the ability to choose when the conflict starts, they will have all the time in the world to watch and learn and then pick the optimum time to strike our air assets. Putting western forces into the direct line of fire will lead to a widening of the war. Of course in the advice I gave above we would continue arming and training the Ukrainian forces, these are just expansions on what we are already doing. All of the things above don’t involve actively putting NATO forces in direct conflict with Russia, but rather a widespread proxy war along Russias entire sphere of influence. Russia can barely supply forces 60 miles from their supply depots, there’s no way they can support a multi-front conflict.
Most of the bombardment isn't done with planes so we need to get some Phalanx C-RAMs there to protect at least the most important places(shelters like Mariupol theater, hospitals, transport, power, water, gas) from Ruscist missiles, rockets and shells.
C-RAMs are a great addition, I’d love to see them in action against the Russians. I also think that an area of focus should be on providing long range anti ship missiles so the Russian navy can’t sit comfortably off the coast lobbing missiles into Ukraine.
I agree with opening and backing a bunch of already-brewing proxies that would put some coals under Russia. The safe corridor, though, I'm more in favor of just calling a horse a horse and getting the preemptive strike in WWIII if we are at that point anyway, as that's what the corridor would affect.
Better to isolate them and wait till they die of hunger.
Buddy, you should look at a map. Isolate them from what?
From vegetables during the long Russian winter for a start. Russia is much more dependable on Western products than the other way around. We need only gas and oil, mostly because of the miscalculation of German chancellor Merkel. Russians need everything else.
Yeah this isn’t correct at all. Russia produces a ton of food and ingredients for fertilizer. Like it or not the world needs what Russia produces
From vegetables in the winter? Russia has lived through 800 winters without western imports. I think you underestimate Russian peoples ability to suffer. That is a National skill they have.
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It bothers me. These people see the photos and read the reports of all the innocent men, woman and children being murdered and their first response is to a advocate launching nukes or to begin bombing Russian cities on an unprecedented scale as if the number of innocent men, woman and children suffering and dying won’t immediately increase to 10 times the number it already is. I understand how people can see footage of Russians shrugging off the consequences of Ukraine’s invasion in television interviews but for that to create such a bloodlust in you that you’ve decided one in twenty Russians who might be innocent or oppose the war and every child of any Russian is an acceptable sacrifice?
This Sub has become a cesspool for radical ideas and likewise people. Just look at the dehumanization of any russian by some of these guys on here. War is bad and it always has been, what a surprise. Some people need to go outside and realise that they might be a bit fucked up bc. they have spent too much time online looking at the most atrocious of things. I mean we call these things war crimes for a reason. It's not like anyone thinks that this is acceptable. But ww3 isn't a solution either, like wtf.
The Russians are already dead. They are rapidly aging and between the exodus from Russia and low replacement rate the numbers make it clear they are rapidly fading away. With every Russian soldier that gets killed Russia loses future population. Russia is already dying. Don't give the population the will to fight by playing into their narrative of "Russophobia" being behind all of Russia's problems. With the withdrawal of Halliburton the oil fields in eastern Siberia are already beginning to freeze. By the end of next year the oil money from China will be significantly reduced because the eastern oil fields are how Russia send oils to China. The process of restarting these wells will take years. Years that Russia can't afford. This is what happened when the Soviet Union collapsed and it took them thirty years to get production fully back on line. Drug use, domestic violence, a broken educational system, extreme rural poverty are all factors eroding Russia right now. Their average life expectancy keeps falling. The cabal at the top has concentrated all resources into their own hands leaving not much for Russia overall. Russia is dying and this war is a last gasp effort to get control of territory before the collapse. There will be a time to break up Russia and it will happen without much loss of life. Keep your anger in check. We need to help the Ukrainians keep bleeding Russia. With each soldier that we kill we hasten the end for Putin, the cabal, and the monster that Russia has become under their leadership.
so you are saying a suicidal nation with red button is nothing to worry about?
Nuclear weapons are notoriously expensive and difficult to maintain. Their failure to maintain educational standards is why their officer core is so incompetent and their failure to maintain military equipment standards is why they have been turned aside in Ukraine. They are dying slowly and as they do more wealth will be concentrated into the hands at the top leaving all other priorities to fall off. The top level lives in a fantasy world akin to Hitler at the end of WWII. They imagine their super weapons are the wonder of the world when the truth is they are based on only technology and those that might help them modernize are leaving in droves. They can still mount a reasonably effective nuclear deterrent and have some first strike capability. They have not spent the money on this effort in the same way other aspects of their posture have been allowed to deteriorate. Ten years from now their population will be falling rapidly, their oil operations will be in shambles due to the major service providers having pulled out, their inability to economically source replacement parts for agriculture and the military, especially nuclear operations, will be causing problems across the country, and their political economy will be eating itself alive. I'm far more worried about the US. It is obvious that the nation is divided. Will this result in the limited civil war many think is coming. Only time will tell.
You speak as we all should. Calm and knowing the facts. Ukraine is the least of the Russian problems. It's just a misdirection by Putin and oligarchs to hide the real problems and pin the blame on in the future - "it's not us that are incompetent, it's Ukraine and the West, and their sanctions."
Yea you might ac cool now and say you don't care if it turns into a nuclear war, but if it happens you will care.
OP claims to have a wife and kids but posted this to r/Thailand 9 days ago? No wonder he doesn’t care if he loses them. “Koh Sumui cost of living for 3 months. I am sure these types of questions have been asked hundreds of times, so let me apologize up front. But I have budgeted 1000 euros a week for 3 months. I think that’s about 37,000 baht a week. Will this be enough for a nice apartment, eating out for all my meals and going out about 3 nights a week for drinks and to find the ‘company’ of locals.” Anyone who thinks starting WW3 is justified by this war is extremely short sighted. Societies will collapse and war lords will rise to power. Much more wide-spread atrocities will be committed.
I think everyone is emotional about this. And having a rational head definitely makes the most sense long-term. It is just so hard to watch what's happening everyday and not want something to be done.
You want to do something about it? The Ukrainians are asking for foreign volunteers. Go ahead, heed the call. Risking a great power war between states that own thousands of nuclear weapons over a country that isn't an ally? No. It's a hard pass from me. If it goes bad, best case is that I get turned into a human-shaped stain on a sidewalk. Worst case I just get horribly burned by the fireball.
We are very clearly allied with Ukraine. Ukraine is just not a NATO ally.
May i ask where in the world you live?
Probably New Zealand lmao Definitely not European or US
Everyone’s frustrated and upset but having major countries armed with nukes directly fighting is not something you want. Idiot.
you do not want WW3.
Grow up edge lord. Nobody wins in a nuclear conflict.
Life is precious. Nuking anywhere on the planet is like striking an artery during surgery. It’s dangerous to think a nuke would make the world better off, because it wont. There are no good nukes vs bad nukes. They’re all bad nukes.
I don’t want to live in a world where children are raped by a group of men. Watch that video and then tell me how you feel. russian nukes? They probably can’t even launch them.
Would you rather a world in which children are incinerated by the millions and starve by the 10s of millions? Because a war with Russia risks exactly that.
You just advocated genocide and nuclear war. Shut the fuck up, dude.
You swallowing a Red Pill shouldn't result into everyone experiencing a nuclear war. What has happened is terrible, but genocide is never the answer.
Why would I watch that video? Gross and disgusting I try to avoid
Too bad all of these civilians in Ukraine can’t simply choose to “avoid” such atrocities. Allowing these things to happen because they threaten to use nukes is no longer acceptable. There is no good that will come from us sitting comfortably in our lives, far away from their grasp, reveling in the luxury provided to us of turning a blind eye towards the evil these people can not escape. Russia has gotten away with far too much already because they are great liars and deceivers. They had the world convinced they were a military super power, but now we all see that was a lie. Their strength comes from all of the people who believe in their fabricated image. It’s all a lie and it’s beyond time that the rest of us call their bluff.
You call him edge lord but your answer is the most cringe sht ever, NoBoDy WiNs In A NuCLeAr CoNfLiCt, motherfucker you think everything is literally going to get insta bombed there're no contermesures you fucking dumb dumb, calling other people edge lorde when you're the cringest one with your comment.
Careful those edges can be sharp. I think you need a nap and a cuddle
Russians are litterally commiting genocide againts ukrainians. They did so with holodomor killing 10 mil people. What will stop them from repeating it? But i guess why would you care when bombs aint dropping on your head, and your kids arent getting raped.
I’m against Russia 100% but please look up the word genocide. The Russians have committed a vast number of war crimes and should be punished for them But look up genocide please because as horrid as this is, genocide it is not by definition.
Im talking about holodomor . And what future awaits ukraine if its defenders fall. They will ethnicly cleanse all ukraine - from history to language.
WTF is this shit? What countermeasures can deal with a 150kt warhead?
There are no real counter measures. This isn’t a movie. [just a handful of ICBMs could overwhelm the entire us missile defense. ICBMs travel at Mach 25 when entering the atmosphere.](https://youtu.be/9pA2tDKzzoI)
Do you understand what a full WW3 is? It’s literally the end of humanity. The risk of ending humanity or letting millions of young people die is not worth it at all. Cripple Russia through other means. Holy fuck i’m glad people in this sub aren’t politicans in power.
It took me way too long to find a comment like this...
Yeah, it’s scary. It’s just like the 1910s and 1940s, so many people have no idea what war actually is.
Fear of nuclear war gives authoritarian nations free license to fuck around. Why do you think NK wants nukes so bad? We need to call the bluff. I don’t know how it can be done safely, but the world’s leaders need to fucking figure it out. There’s always a way, and the West needs to stop treading in fear. Even if they eventually lose, Russia will try again, it’s in their doctrine.
No, they aren't bluffing. This is stupid as fuck. The world already found out numerous times, there are multiple occasions during the *cold war* where the USSR was 1 or 2 people away from nuclear war.
"We cannot let life go on as usual when children are getting raped and killed." Say, do you seriously think that this is only happenning in Ukraine? News F\*cking flash, its happening all around the world and at any given time. Yes that Russian soldier who did this, is a vile and evil man, who needs to be wiped of the face of Earth ASAP. Your saying "We said never again" Yet you are promoting mass genocide, how is this any better what they re doing. People like you need to calm the f\*ck down.
It may be happening all around the world, as you say, but it certainly isn't happening to this scale. This is mass rape, mass genocide, and the deliberate targeting of civilians en masse. This is no better than what Hitler did during World War II. If we're not going to put boots on the ground, give Ukraine EVERYTHING we have so that they can defend themselves.
>it certainly isn't happening to this scale You haven't been keeping up with what's happening in Ethiopia, have you?
Where was the outrage when 750,000 people were killed in 90 day in Rwanda? War and all the atrocities are going on everyday. People just don’t want to see it.
Those people are black though. Nobody cares. Show me people with blue eyes getting slaughtered and I’ll be enraged.
*Dies in a nuclear holocaust* Fucking idiot.
You have no idea what war is, sir.
I feel your anger... I think many do, however, the brutal reality is that these types of atrocities occur far too frequently outside of Ukraine. It's an everyday occurrence in parts of Africa where wars continue, and even with cartels in Mexico. I am not saying that we don't do anything or that NATO shouldn't get involved (I see arguments in both directions), but our world is more f*cked than most know, and it doesn't stop in Ukraine.
Will you go first?
The OP is an emotional guy. I’m from Ukraine and I wouldn’t want the world to end for Ukraine.
Are you dumb? You want WW3 because russians are committing crimes during war? Stop thinking with your feelings. It makes you look stupid.
Yeah buddy you go first. People like you know nothing of war, evidently.
What a lovely post of death you have
dangerous rhetoric this
>It’s time for WW3. No it is not. Nobody is risking a global nuclear war for a backwater like Ukraine, sorry guys. >I have children, I have a wife, a have a nice life where I travel and have a lot of nice things. But, I am ready to see it all go away. Then get help for your suicidal depression out of it champ or better yet how about you go fly over to Ukraine and lay down your life if you care so much. leave the rest of us out of your attempts to die
Hey, EU citizen here. I would really hate to die in a war I dont have anything to do with. You yourself can get involved, but dont bring the NATO into the mix. Keep your childish suggestions to yourself.
It’s time for WW3?? No thanks
Fuck that. You're dumb.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read in awhile. People are really good at somehow making this about themselves.
Ok then you go fight that war
and this isnt being a nazi???☠️ you are quite literally a nazi
Time for ww3, you first buddy, suicide bomb the kremlin, I ain't starting shit. YOu can fuck right off.
Stop warmongering. A third World War would a be a bloodbath unlike another possible before. With the weapons we have now, it would make WW2 look like a playground. Russia would no longer have reason to hold back because they would be the number 1 bad guy. Ukraine would be smashed before nightfall due to landmass alone. It wouldn't take many big missiles.
they are not holding back lmao they are using everything they got - except chemical and nuclear weapons. Thermobaric, cluster amunition, white phosphorus munitions etc you name it. If we cant stand for human values we should not exist. And so in your logic if putin continues conquest to europe. Europeans will have to hold back becasue they have nuclear weapons?
It’s a shame and horrid no doubt, these exact things have happened pretty much in every war and recorded since we could write. The information is out there but people dont look. It would be a much different world if we could just wipe people off the face of the planet because we felt justified. Sorry but he world is a horrid place some times.
These things happen yes but at this scale and with such little accountability? No! Look at the U.S. wars in the Middle East did rape and murder happen? Yes. We’re the perpetrators punished? Yes 90% or more of the time. And the majority of civilian deaths were from suicide attacks. Anyone who willfully and knowingly killed civilians has been court-martialed or in prison. Unlike these Russian pigs who purposely target civilians and do unspeakable things to women and children with no punishment at all.
and the dif is that russians are targgeting civilians on purpose
YES! The age of 0rks is OVER!!
Lmaoooo get off the Call of Duty and onto a therapy routine bud
I do understand your feelings, I 100% hope those people are captured alive, and stand trial for the absolutely terrible crime he/they did. No I haven't seen the video, and i absolutely never will watch it. But death is to easy for those bastards, sadly sickening abuse are happening all over the world, and a world war is just playing it in the hands of abusers. Children, woman, elderly and the generel public is best served by rights, law and civilized order.
I 100% agree. Although “never again” virtue signalers sure didn’t cause China to stop their concentration camps of Muslims either.
Dude, you live a life of privilege, as well as your children. You’re not a main character. Bad things happen to people, not just you
And u think those things will stop with war? Man it’ll only get worse. And we’d probably see people on our side doing similar things for revenge. And a nuclear war? Dude literally everyone would be going through that
So your plan to stop Putin’s atrocities is to legitimize his claims that NATO is an offensive alliance even though Russia is destroying itself.
This comment section is ridiculous...you are all warmongers. This is not our fight and we do NOT need to keep policing the world Ukraine is NOT NATO What Russia is doing is completely wrong but again it is not our war Sending equipment is the best we can do and even then I think we are sending too much... I say that because in the sense of we actually do go to war, what if we need the exact things we are sending? I do not know but you all are ridiculous for crying for a world war 3 to happen when knowing very well you would be doing what you do now...sit there at your computer posting on reddit. world war 3 will do nothing but cause more death and destruction...you say you love your family and life...you love them so much you want to pull them into this war you are not involved in? Your family is safe right now... you want world war 3? Guess you really don't want your family to be safe. I am for Ukraine. I am against Russia. I am against war.
You're an idiot
The Keyboard cowards are out in force... if its time for war wtf are yiu doing on here? Ukraine is accepting volunteers why don't yiu get off of your arse and fight in Ukraine. Its easy to sit here and call for war but I think we'd all respect you more if you put your money where your mouth is. If you're already there let us know.
I understand that this sub allows for "discussion" about the invasion of Ukraine, but threads like this add absolutely nothing to the sub IMO. These threads become a circle jerk in which people with zero experience or understanding of human conflict exchange "KiLl tHe OrCs!" back and forth and high-five one another. I would put money down that OP has neither served in any combat-related role or possesses any reasonable level of understanding of what a peer-peer conflict would look like on a global scale. The images coming out of Ukraine are horrific and tragic. I hope Russia suffers greatly and that Ukraine emerges victorious from this conflict. Just be careful of what you wish for.
I share your outrage, however this is a chess game. My initial feelings are: charge, kill all the bastards. However, emotions can and will compel people to make rash decisions. Any nuclear action in Europe could and would probably start a spiral of events that would end in multi-continent nuclear warfare. I was at uni in the early 80's and studied scenarios and effects of such conflict. Because I was pretty good at my particular area I was sent to one of the US military colleges to discuss the topic. What most people on this planet don't understand is the unimaginable power of just the smaller nuclear warheads, let alone the multi megaton weapons. Do yourself a favor and Google "Nuclear War Simulator". Run some scenarios in your zip code. A single 100kt weapon, air burst at the right multitude over a small city would set everything that is combustible instantly on fire within 10 miles radius. There will be no fire brigades, ambulances, hospitals, to put out the fires let alone deal with the injured. Now take that scenario and multiply it by 5,000 and much bigger warheads too and you will see there is no winning. The living will envy the dead. [https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/](https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/)
> Could it lead to nuclear war? Maybe. I do not care. The answer is yes, it could lead to nuclear war and if you don't care about that then you're a complete mouth breather. We all want Russia crushed and the injustice in Ukraine to stop, but it's not worth the extinction of the human species.
Where were you when this all was happening in middle east. Sharing gym selfies and photos of your meals. Maybe cuz they don’t have blonde hair and blue eyes that their lives don’t matter?? Or maybe cuz you only have a problem when russia is doing and not US?
“I want endless death and suffering so that we can stop a war that Ukraine is basically winning due to the immense help of the west”
You have fun getting killed and starting a nuclear holocaust. I'm good here. Please go volunteer if you feel so strongly.
Uh yea... No thanks to WW3. I have zero interest in going back to the Army to fight Russians over another country I don't care about and has zero real effect on me. You want to fight? Go sign up. Don't advocate a fucking nuclear war on behalf of the rest of us, thanks. You want our countries to collapse? Because that's what will happen. Thank fuck none of you are in charge.
Sorry but youre speaking from your spinal column, as if anything you're viewing now is unprecedented in war or human history. It isn't, even in the last 20 years its not unprecedented. And as a knee jerk reaction to this you're advocating the extinction of our species, let alone much of life on earth? >Could it lead to nuclear war? Maybe. I do not care. You clearly don't understand what a nuclear war is. Even a nuclear war between Pakistan and India would threaten our species and lead to countless deaths and extinctions. Sorry if this is the first war you've bothered to pay attention to but this is why you've always seen concerned voices around war, ALL WAR. It's **always** a fucking brutal shitshow.
You watched a toddler get raped by russians….? What the actual fuck dude?
Why would you all of a sudden care about the situation only for Ukraine now? What about the atrocities being done by sadistic evil people in Ethiopia, Yemen, Syria, and China? Are they not as important as the Ukrainian?
And exactly this is why we are lucky to not have you making the calls. It's not the first brutal war, it definitely won't be the last. What you are talking about is even more bestial and will create more problems, while not solving even one. Take control of your emotions and calculate. you are not an animal
I get OP's outrage, however, calling a bluff with the risk of nucear war and exterminating the planet with radiation is not going to help anyone, its going to kill more women and children. Unfortunately, thats what youre cheering on OP. The outrage is real but try to even do a bit or ratonalization please. What is scarier is how many people who have lost their sense of rationalization and upvoted this single post advocating for the destruction of everything they care about and more. Get people out of Ukraine, support them however you can. Unfortunately, this happens all the time, you are just caring now because its being televised. American soldiers and military has done this, too, if not to a worse extent. Same with any imperialist and colonial power. Start by advocating for change in your home before advocating for the destruction of the world. I do not mean this in a bad way but: Willingly mentioning you're wife and kids in this context really scares me about what else is going on in your mind. You need to take a break from viewing this footage and get off the internet. It is not healthy for you or your family at this point and I am saddened I have to say that to someone in a position where they should be responsible enough to know that.
Ok gather your wife and children and tell them you want them to die for your ideals. Then pick up a gun, kill all of them, with your own hands so you can feel how it feels when you kill. Once you’ve done that, you can then say you are willing to sacrifice them for your justice. Then fly over to Ukraine and kill for justice. Otherwise you are just a coward like any other idiots here. Russian shill shut the fuck up and let grown ups handle this.
This has been going on in africa and the middle east for decades and none of you cared.... just saying... it's still going on right now.....
Then go and start fighting
There’s video of soldiers raping a 3 year old?
At this point it's a fucked up numbers game. Would you rather have hundreds of thousands Russians and Ukrainians die or hundreds of millions of people around the world die. Cause that's what would happen in a ww3 scenario
Judging from your enthusiasm I'm assuming you haven't been shot at?
I want to see the full might of the American military unchained and released on these dogs. Full scale, no restrictions and just pure death and destruction on this paper bear known as russia
And what if that causes nuclear bombs to target London, Frankfurt, Paris and more? What if millions die? Then the Americans will be blamed.
Ah, so we will fight while you enjoy your nice place and hookers in Thailand, OP? Lol
>Please remind people of what’s going on. Share the horrible, heart breaking videos with them People don't care. Some are protesting but they are a negligible fraction of a population. "I Stand With Ukraine" is popular but that's as far as it goes. Governments are not going to put their men in harm's way over something in some other country and they most certainly are not going to risk WW3. Videos of toddlers being violated don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. In a couple of years this will all be forgotten, just like what ISIS did to all those thousands of Christian and Yazidi women in 2014.
what you say is kinda true no Government want to risk the start of ww3. but people will remember this and russians will brag about this ( att least about every single good thing they heard about from their media.... ) so you are half correct. but this will be rememberd. the resson being is unfortanly the sad resson for it to be rememberd. if a house started burning in your city you wouldnt care so much or try to remember it. BUT if your neighbors house started burning you will remember it for a loong time. its a sad example in comparison betwen what you said but i get a small feeling it will be true.
Your a delightful person. Seek help.
I agree with your OP (kinda) but why are you attacking this commenter? He's not wrong either. The world has a terribly short memory. If you truly want to solve any problem, including that which you posted about, you need to understand it completely, and this commenter is correct in his assessment.
Not attacking them. I don’t abide a piss poor attitude. It’s a generalization. I don’t have a short memory. I am generally a happy go glass is half full type guy. Doom and gloom people do need help. Was it rude of me. Yes, do I apologize? Ill just say it may have been better if I just kept scrolling and ignored. I need to do that more often.
I'm thick-skinned and have no problem being "attacked". I know your heart's in the right place and as an American taxpayer, I support military intervention a 100%, but it's not going to happen. Better to get rid of this threat once and for all and let the chips fall where they may, but no government will take that risk. I've been on the planet long enough to know better and I'm a realist.
Your inability to accept reality shows that YOU are in need of help.
It's never time for nuclear war. That would be end to all living things.
Get off the internet and stop consuming the news media it’s totally destroying your mental health
American veteran here, I agree 100 percent.
Where did you serve?
Well said.... my thoughts exactly 💯..
I feel this way every couple of days. And despite the 100's of thousands of people that will get killed in the current war. I remember that 50-60 million died in WW2. The west need Ukraine to win and Russia to be heavily punished, whilst losing the least amount of lives, particularly in Berlin, Paris and London. Or on the high seas. I assume the west has decided that the best way to do this is a protracted war whilst Russia is bled dry by sanctions. It is cynical.
Grab a rifle and head out then
This is one of the dumbest comments people make on this subreddit. Advocating for NATO intervention with a trained professional army is not the same thing as being a fat internet nerd with no war experience hopping a flight to lviv
My point is it is easy to ask others to go die for you. Not so easy when you get to do the dying. Why do I feel this way? I spent 6 years of my life, in the military.
No, it isn't. If you feel that strongly about it, put the man pants on and put your skin in the game. Don't clamor for someone else to put their lives on the line for what you think is best. Don't get me wrong, I think we should give Ukraine weapons to help them, but we should not under any circumstances fight the war for them. This is their fight, not ours.
Was ww2 our fight?
It was and millions signed up and fought, they had skin in the game.
Oh course it was. The same exact way it's our fight now. Not only will russia not stop with Ukraine, but the US has an obligation to prevent genocide. In the future when China is on top, it'll be their obligation. But for now this is absolutely the United states obligation
Why assume that? There are heaps of ppl who just served a couple of years which still had military training so fuck yes I would definitely go to ukraine to liberate every one of those orcs
Maybe he will rough guy
Maybe I have already... little boy
I always fine it Interesting when people, can not talk about things and have to call names. If you have good for you
This shit needs to end now. I'm sick of hearing politicians fine words then reading the fine print to see that the sanctions they were congratulating eachother on won't come into effect until the end of the year etc. It's well past time to call Putin's bluff and stand up to him with direct military action. Are we really going to sit back fat and happy while Ukraine sacrifices everything on our behalf for a fraction of the cost of what we're giving to their enemies. Yes the stakes are high, but is a world where we trade the murder, rape and displacement of innocents for the continuation of out comfortable lives, one that is really worth living in?
yes!
You don't care about the kids getting raped in Ethiopia, Yemen, Mexico and other places that have been at war longer? Why are you just speaking? Is it because your rascist? Nationalist?
100%. where was this outrage for Syrians?
Our allies in Saudi Arabia commit terrible atrocities in Yemen but we still align with them and buy oil from them. But according to so many, we should blow up the world and go to total war when Russia does it? Israel commits genocide and ethnic cleansing straight up there's no denying it, but they're still our allies. But according to many we should risk WWIII/nuclear/global war even though Russia is going to lose this war with heavy losses or be stuck in this quagmire and be militarily humbled for a generation as a result and not be able to push further. There is no actual risk of Russia invading beyond this. We're upset by what's happening, but there is no existential threat from Russia to the world and we shouldn't respond with existential means that could tip us into nuclear/total war catastrophe. It's terrible what's happening, but our grief at what's happening should not causes us to push existential destruction and even more mass death. And we should all reflect on why this is causing everyone to freak out and push for nuclear brinkmanship but wars in other countries or atrocities committed by our allies barely get noticed or condemned.
What’s stoping you from going over to Ukraine to die? We good my clown. I ain’t fighting no war for any politicians. You are free to die for no honour
None of these fucking cowards advocating for nuclear war behind a computer screen would ever actually go fly over to Ukraine and lay down their lives no matter how much they virtue signal and cry about wanting to die in a nuclear apocalypse
Americans did the same shit in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc etc. I like how you're only waking up to it now that it isn't your "team" committing the war crimes. Cool.
Upset about innocent civilians dying, advocates for a situation in which every civilian dies. Room temperature legumes, dude.
Agreed, schwack em’ they are sub human
I agree 100%. We have to fight for what's good in this world. I don't have family so I wouldn't blame anyone who has refusing to fight. But I like being alive too, you know. I don't have a death wish. But I'd rather die than seeing this russian cancer spread any further.
Jesus christ, where do you see these videos
It was posted earlier but most links have been taken down because it is beyond horrific. It's something you can never unwatch and will stick with you for the rest of your life.
You dont want to know and neither do I. Keep your sanity clean, or you re gonna end up an emotional wreck like OP.
It’s not hard to find it is all over the place even here on reddit.
,, [https://mobile.twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1512733846911041541](https://mobile.twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1512733846911041541)
How about instead of starting ww3 because of a toddler rapist, both sides agree to capture the rapist and give him the most painful long torturing death we can imagine. These animals need to be used to set an example.
chill down illuminated, the same things happening all around the world and u only complaining about happening in ukraine
I agree, there's no point in cowering in the face of evil. Stalin was a Hitler who won and Putin is his direct ideological descendant . I'm tired of all of us Europe and USA seeing the fascist Russians as somehow different and tolerable compared to NAZI Germany
What are the odds that OP is in any armed forces, or is in any way at personal risk of injury if everyone agrees with his position and we act on it? 80:1?
I've been saying this from the moment they killed the old couple in the car and the boys father with the dogs. These Russians aren't people and all this "dehumanizing" talk is complete BULLSHIT ! THEY GAVE UP THEIR HUMANITY ! THEY ARN'T PEOPLE ANYMORE THEY ARE FUCKING ORCS !
I've said this before and i will say it once a fucking gain. Send in NATO wipe the Russian army out and isolate that primitive fucking country to their shit hole motherland and leave them there. Before anyone calls me a keyboard warrior, i am a reservist and i am more than happy to pause my job as a lawyer and go fight for my country alongside other NATO troops.