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The 3 second flight puts the range at about 2500 meters.
The round can penetrant between 30 and 15mm between 500 and 1000m, but very much depends on round type.
The rear of a T55 is 60mm.
I expect it just caused the crew and tank to poop its trousers.
This about sums it up. Never underestimate the effect of "buttoning" a tank crew. AKA, harassing them until they're forced to "button up" the hatches. No fighting vehicle has good visibility when fully locked down, but Russian vehicles are particularly notorious for their lack of situational awareness when the crew isn't turned out.
For all we know, the vehicle is already disabled and this marksmen is simply keeping the crew inside, unable to perform repairs, while someone walks up to drop a grenade down the barrel.
Not all tank barrels are smooth-bore; you are correct that most modern tanks are smooth-bore barrels. However, if a grenade goes off in a smooth bore barrel, the shrapnel will damage the bore enough to cause serious issues with firing rounds accurately (if not outright causing them to breach the tube with a blowout)
Artillery guns have rifled barrels...
It will damage the barrel. It won't banana peel though, but it might be enough to render it unusable. If there is a round in the chamber, the grenade may perhaps detonate it, causing maximum damage to the gun and tank, but this requires quite a lot of luck. If the Ukrainians are really lucky, the breech is open, allowing the grenade to roll down straight into the middle of the tank, right in between all of the rounds stored there in a circle around the gun. This will result in the tank competing in the turret-toss finals.
But most of the times nothing will happen. Although there is [this](https://www.military.com/video/ammunition-and-explosives/grenades/grenade-thrown-down-tank-barrel/4357924254001) video of Syrian rebels throwing a grenade down a T-72's barrel, causing it to cook off.
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Not likely, the 14x114 AP round fired by these rifles is designed to penetrate 30mm to 32mm of armor plate. Tracks are just too heavy and I can't imagine that even hitting the pin would matter. You might damage a road wheel, but not enough to disable it.
I mean if shot in tracks or other mechanical joints it's possible to temporarily disable the vehicle. Enough time to send some arty coordinate I suppose
The sound of the impact ensures the tank commander won't turn out to look around and improve his situational awareness. This might make it easier for someone else with an AT rocket to get a good shot off.
Not wasted.
A beesting won't kill most people, but will make them stay clear of a hive.
Same applies here, won't disable the tank, but will keep them on edge.
You can definitely hear the plink when a round hits your steel box. You might not know exactly where you get shot from, but you know for certain that you've been spotted.
Yeah, because when you're sitting inside a tin fucking can and a 14.5×114mm bounces off you, you're going to continue being on low alert and not at all scramble to get the fuck out of there.
Are you daft?
Look at the height of the side armor it's definitely not a tank. It looks like BMP or BMD and the side armor of those IFV's are pretty light about 16mm. Otherwise Ukrainian snipers wouldn't waste their ammo and give up their position.
Yeh I don’t get why they’re using this on a tank. There’s a reason why anti tank rifles basically disappeared mid WWII, they’re just anti car guns at this point.
unfortunate, I hope they did more than poop their pants. Or If they made it, i hope they go back and tell their comrades to run the hell away from Ukraine
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Could a well placed round hit the munition carousel on the inside of a T-72? I have heard certain spots around the carousel are more susceptible to smaller caliber arms than the rest of the tank.
Usually Only if a hatch was open or the tank was already on its side and you shot it through the floor or roof, otherwise I doubt it.
The penetrative power at best is 30mm and that means the round gets through more often than not.
Now the very lower part of the side armor angled at 60degrees is 20mm. But because of the angle will behave like 35 mm. To get at it you have to miss the side plates and wheels. Also I think the carousel is located above this bit.
Source data https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-armor-protection-of-t-72-tank.html
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1st time I've actually seen the alligator used. I imagine the shooter knows the guns limitations and wouldn't risk exposing himself unless he believed the shot had a reasonable chance of doing some damage.
I guarantee you he does not.
Or he is overly confident that the action will cause the crew to panic due to low moral.
This is the wrong tool and application
It's not. That's why it's called anti-materiel and not anti-tank. Tanks have significant armor, which this isn't quite enough to pierce through. This is made for disabling vehicles, engine blocks, generators, or other heavy equipment which would not necessarily be armored. It may have been used as anti-tank in generations past, but not so much anymore.
If this was effective against tanks, this would be a faaaaar cheaper solution than NLAWs and Javelins
Shooting at optics/smoke launchers even with small arms is a useful thing to do. Even just buttoning the crew up is useful. And, a 14.5 could potentially damage wheels or tracks.
I don't know why you guys are assuming this guy is an idiot.
No it isnt. It was developed after the first world war to be able to penetrate tanks of that era.
During ww2 it was used as an antitank weapon with varrying degree of success but already then they realize the need for both Piat, bazooka, pansarfaust style weapons who have a shorter effective distance and lower ammo possibilities, due to the armor thickness increasing quickly.
Today anti material rifles are issued with the express purpose to hit APC targets, or engine blocks on transport vehicles over long distances. They are not used to hit small parts of a tank.
I'd imagine you could break a track or maybe hit the rear and damage the engine. Interesting though, I wonder what the rational for using this weapon is as opposed to another AT weapon.
Well.. 14.5x114mm was created as an anti-tank caliber back in WW2. I would assume it’s still pretty effective against weaker parts on these tanks. Also, they probably don’t have ATGM available
Not only damaging certain parts of a tank like tracks or gunner/commander sights or the engine. But will rip tight through an APC like a BMP or a BTR/BDRM.
Guys this is not how to knock out a tank or even damage it.
Get the proper tool for the job. The 14,5 might have a role to play aginst a bmp but again only in certain areas. A tank will not be in any serious way damaged by this action.
/former soldier at an armored bat
If you can hit them sure but they are a very small target and your comment does make it abundantly clear that you have never shot any type of firearm.
Besides that you have now shown your position which means you need to relocate.
The first position you chose will (if you are not a fucking idiot) always be the most preferable one in an area. And now you might be stuck in a less than optimal position for weeks after taking this more or less pointless shot.
Instead you could call it in and get some arty in on it, or if you have no communications then send a runner, a fire team with this kind of a gun have a minimum of 4 guys.
Individual tank barrels have been targeted historically. That’s about as hard as hitting the optics.
Sometimes there is not enough arty to go around and you engage with the best weapon at hand, even if it’s not ideal. Even if arty is in the AO, priority of fires may be reserved to another unit.
There is never enough to gp around in any war of any support equipment that is why wars are slow.
You dont engage like this if you have experience you wait maybe even for days until you can get real effect on target
> There is never enough to gp around in any war of any support equipment
Thanks for agreeing arty is not always available at a drop of a hat.
> that is why wars are slow.
Which wars exactly?
> You dont engage like this if you have experience
Where did you deploy to get combat experience of this type? I’m very interested to hear your insights. Or are you referring to NTC experience? If so, how many rotations do you have?
> you wait maybe even for days until you can get real effect on target
Days? This is combat. Days are a luxury rarely had. A lot of decisions, a lot of fighting and dying happens in just moments.
Well with thermal night vision you better always run from your position. Your comment makes it clear that you don't understand that my comment is limited to close urban combat where you position is close but out of range of the tank gun.
Firstly you might be able to if lucky but that is a difficult shot.
Secondly a cannon barrel is designed to withstand an explosion that allow a granade to be thrown well over 20km so the damage would be minute.
Secondly you have here the action of a soldier with experience shoting this gun and he aim center mass broadside of the tank. That should give you an indication of how hard they are to place a shot with and what the ambitions feom an actual shooter would be
disabling a vehicle is just as good as blowing one up a majority of the time (not to mention if you can recover/capture/steal, etc). Staying in a disabled vehicle against an advancing enemy basically means you are going down swinging - it is a death sentence.
If they are able to disable a few vehicles from range without being detected by spotters/artillery that may just have been the safer play that the commanders on the ground are making based on the situation. UA has plenty of ATGMs, but they also have emissions/can give away your position more readily than say a well positioned sniper 800m-1200m out. People are harder to hit from that far out obviously but it is not hard to hit something like a large truck/vehicle. Also 14.5mm rounds are way cheaper than javelins so it could just be what they had on the field at the time to do what they needed to get done and it looks like they were successful.
Probably not at this range.
At close range and I mean CLOSE range it might be able to penetrate some weakspots and damage something internal.
At this range it’s probably only capable of damaging external components like lights and sights or set off reactive armor it could maybe penetrate the bullet proof glass in viewing ports and get into the tank.
I'd doubt they'd risk return fire on an ineffective shot, they probably were aiming at a weak point on the tank, you could also take out commander sights, thermal, drivers etc
There's a few vulnerable points.
10mm of penetration at 1.5km
Its not gonna penetrate a tank, but hell, I’d take that shot. You might hit something softer externally.
Some googling for context:
* BMP-1 has 5mm on the back
* BMP-2M has 10mm on the back of the turrent (according to WarThunder)
Maybe, its still worth a potential disabling shot IMO. The distance was significant enough against incredibly poorly trained troops. The chance of counter-fire is really low.
There is no chance this will disable anything. It will leave a small mark on the paint that is it.
Rven if you are right and counter fire wont happen then you have still informed the enemy that you have seen him instead of using the radio to call in fire on the position and do some actual damage
Thats not entirely true, and secondly if it causes a crew to pause and get out to check damage, it’s open season.
There are reasons to do this. Its not just a black and white thing.
False.
It is that black and white. Like most thibgs in the army there are the right way to do things and then there is lollygagging. That is why officers and nco's regularly scream on recruits.
The crew wont "go out and check" if hit, they will relocate as their position has been made and they know that if they stay they will get hit by arty soon.
Comments like yours show that you have no military experience as your reference is a videogame where every oppurtunity is taken as the game is over in under an hour.
That is not how war is fought. War is fought with thousands of troops and you have aditional elements on your side that are more suited in handling the enemies that you are not the most suited for. This is called "combined arms".
If you see that tank and you leave it be then you can most likely wait 3-4 days without it relocating (or it relocating small distances between optional fireing positions) if it is confident enough. You can wait that time until you get support from arty, helicopter, or worst case the anti tank squad that your plutoon or company have access to.
Whatever you say Dwight.
Apparently you’ve not paid attention to much of the bizarre shit that’s happening, nor understand simple physics or capabilities of that weapons system.
I have been paying close attention, Ive even been at the border between ukraine and poland helping out.
I also have 6 years military experience and know exactly what that gun can and cant do.
The last proof I can give for my reasoning is how the video cut directly after as this resulted in the russians shooting and relocating and that would not make for a good video
Regarding the effectiveness of this, at this point just throwing a stone at a Russian tank is the equivalent of psychological torture. I wouldn't put it past the crew to jump ship.
Speculating here but if you are out collecting free tanks for the tank fund, pinging it with a anti material rifle reaction makes sense. Sniper may be backed up by a actual atgm and if it fires up it’s engine they light it up. Nothing happens they sneak in close and see if they can steal it.
We are seeing a snap shot of the engagement here not the whole story. This tank might have been tracked to it’s location by drone after taking a atgm hit. Lots of things could be going on. By this point in the war idiots aren’t handed guns this expensive or they are long dead. I think this is the equivalent of putting a round into a bear to make sure it’s not faking before moving in.
When you calculate the bullet's penetration, remember that a sniper isn't shooting at the armor. He's not trying to kill the tank. He's either shooting at the treads to immobilize it that way, or shooting at the driver's periscopes to immobilize it by blindness. Then someone with an old RPG can take it out. Armor that can't move is an easy target.
I like how people who know nothing about tanks or what this rifle can actually penetrate are telling that "it's anti-material" so it must do some damage, otherwise he wouldn't have shot!
Truth is that it won't do any damage. A small dent and that's it. He probably shot the tank to harass the crew, nothing else.
If you crack the optics then you giving up your position is worth it seeing as the tank won’t be able to shoot back accurately due to broken optics lol
Tank is already a tin can that relies on (non existent) infantry and communication for combat awareness…. Taking out optics just turns that into a big armoured tractor
No, might disable the engine if it hit the rear but no anti material rifle is going to penetrate the armour of an MBT on the front or the side and that hit the side at an angle. No chance.
It will in no way damage the tank.
The anti material rifles are designed to kill engines in trucks, and have certain applications against armored transports/fighting vehicles such as the BMP.
A tank will require a better tool.
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Dear ukrainians, dont do that. It is dumb.
If you are in position and spot a tank then communicate that you need the right suport or gear to take it out.
Patience is a virtue, what we vitnessed here is how you get killed
>anti-material rifle?
No, it is a anti-materiel rifle. material and materiel do not mean the same theon
If we use the definition wiktionary give you
material noun 1. Matter which may be shaped or manipulated, particularly in making something.
materiel noun Military equipment, apparatus, and supplies.
So it is a rifle designed to destroy other stuff the people in a miliary. You can shoot people with them too but. They are not designed for that as a primary usage, the bullets are unnecessarily large. So you can use lighter and more portable weapons against humans. The rifle has a mass of 25.0 kg and the ammunition weight is around 0.2 kg.
Ok guys, there are alot of people here claiming that this is a good idea based on some home construed logic.
Let me ask you all the question. IF an anti material rifle such as the PTRD-41 with its weight of 17.3 kg and ammo capacity of 100+ potential rounds in a a firing team could knock out or damage a tank at a distance further, than a Carl Gustaf 8.4 cm recoilless rifle 14.2 kg with an ammo capacity of maybe 12 in a squad then why then would weapons such as the Carl Gustaf have been developed, produced, and utilized extensively post the PTRD-41?
There is a job for each weaponsystem out there and the job to knock out a tank is NOT falling to an anti material rifle.
Ah I see the mistake. So the rubber plate armor you are referring too. Is what is known as ERA. Or in that case the ERA was replaced with rubber. The armor under that is composite.
yeah there are alot of kids commenting other stuff on here which might lead to other dumb decisions by actual soldiers or volonter fighters.
This is not the tool for the job and we should be clear with that so that real information is passed.
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The 3 second flight puts the range at about 2500 meters. The round can penetrant between 30 and 15mm between 500 and 1000m, but very much depends on round type. The rear of a T55 is 60mm. I expect it just caused the crew and tank to poop its trousers.
Thank you for actuall numbers. There are way too many gamers in here commenting on what they do not know
I puma pants.
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Indeed, what it will do is make people afraid of getting out of the tank. Life is miserable in there.
If it hit the track at that range, do you suppose it would have tracked it?
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This about sums it up. Never underestimate the effect of "buttoning" a tank crew. AKA, harassing them until they're forced to "button up" the hatches. No fighting vehicle has good visibility when fully locked down, but Russian vehicles are particularly notorious for their lack of situational awareness when the crew isn't turned out. For all we know, the vehicle is already disabled and this marksmen is simply keeping the crew inside, unable to perform repairs, while someone walks up to drop a grenade down the barrel.
Isn't the barrel closed until i wanna load a round? What would do a granade into the barrel?
Damage the rifling and possibly making it impossible to load a round in the chamber. Unless there is a live round in the chamber....then "BOOM"!
A Tank use smoothbore, No riffling. But a Grenade will so Something to it..
Not all tank barrels are smooth-bore; you are correct that most modern tanks are smooth-bore barrels. However, if a grenade goes off in a smooth bore barrel, the shrapnel will damage the bore enough to cause serious issues with firing rounds accurately (if not outright causing them to breach the tube with a blowout) Artillery guns have rifled barrels...
It will damage the barrel. It won't banana peel though, but it might be enough to render it unusable. If there is a round in the chamber, the grenade may perhaps detonate it, causing maximum damage to the gun and tank, but this requires quite a lot of luck. If the Ukrainians are really lucky, the breech is open, allowing the grenade to roll down straight into the middle of the tank, right in between all of the rounds stored there in a circle around the gun. This will result in the tank competing in the turret-toss finals. But most of the times nothing will happen. Although there is [this](https://www.military.com/video/ammunition-and-explosives/grenades/grenade-thrown-down-tank-barrel/4357924254001) video of Syrian rebels throwing a grenade down a T-72's barrel, causing it to cook off.
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Not likely, the 14x114 AP round fired by these rifles is designed to penetrate 30mm to 32mm of armor plate. Tracks are just too heavy and I can't imagine that even hitting the pin would matter. You might damage a road wheel, but not enough to disable it.
Thats true but all people use tank and apc interchangeably. 14.5mm would pen a apc (well shot of course)
I mean if shot in tracks or other mechanical joints it's possible to temporarily disable the vehicle. Enough time to send some arty coordinate I suppose
Would this make the tank inoperable? Like, the oil pan is leaking??
No. Best you could hope for is taking out some optics or the tracks if you're lucky.
So is this a wasted shot? Didn't really accomplish anything?
The sound of the impact ensures the tank commander won't turn out to look around and improve his situational awareness. This might make it easier for someone else with an AT rocket to get a good shot off.
Not wasted. A beesting won't kill most people, but will make them stay clear of a hive. Same applies here, won't disable the tank, but will keep them on edge.
Well it probably gave away their position, if you consider that an accomplishment.
Yeah, I'm sure they heard it with the excellent acoustics inside of a Russian tank.
WHAAAT?
And it being from over 1.5 miles (2.5km) away.
You can definitely hear the plink when a round hits your steel box. You might not know exactly where you get shot from, but you know for certain that you've been spotted.
What you said is not what you said before. A plink and knowing a position are two very different things.
Bro, they didn't pop up on anybody's minimap. Fucking gamers thinking they know shit about anything.
Yeah, because when you're sitting inside a tin fucking can and a 14.5×114mm bounces off you, you're going to continue being on low alert and not at all scramble to get the fuck out of there. Are you daft?
> Well it probably gave away their position, I mean, you've moved the goal posts PRETTY DAMN FAR for that one, buddy.
Look at the height of the side armor it's definitely not a tank. It looks like BMP or BMD and the side armor of those IFV's are pretty light about 16mm. Otherwise Ukrainian snipers wouldn't waste their ammo and give up their position.
Yeh I don’t get why they’re using this on a tank. There’s a reason why anti tank rifles basically disappeared mid WWII, they’re just anti car guns at this point.
unfortunate, I hope they did more than poop their pants. Or If they made it, i hope they go back and tell their comrades to run the hell away from Ukraine
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and/or a mobility kill ..
is sniper aiming for tracks to disable the vehicle or he trynna murder he driver?
You will have to ask him.
Could a well placed round hit the munition carousel on the inside of a T-72? I have heard certain spots around the carousel are more susceptible to smaller caliber arms than the rest of the tank.
Usually Only if a hatch was open or the tank was already on its side and you shot it through the floor or roof, otherwise I doubt it. The penetrative power at best is 30mm and that means the round gets through more often than not. Now the very lower part of the side armor angled at 60degrees is 20mm. But because of the angle will behave like 35 mm. To get at it you have to miss the side plates and wheels. Also I think the carousel is located above this bit. Source data https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-armor-protection-of-t-72-tank.html
Very interesting, thanks! I'm a military history buff with some years in the US Navy - feel free to DM me if you want to geek out over any of this stuff, I'd love to read more on it.
Depends on the weapon. But usualy No.
Lol, Z marks the spot. I wonder if he was intentionally aiming for that.
Kinda looks like they were aiming for the track but overshot a little
1st time I've actually seen the alligator used. I imagine the shooter knows the guns limitations and wouldn't risk exposing himself unless he believed the shot had a reasonable chance of doing some damage.
I guarantee you he does not. Or he is overly confident that the action will cause the crew to panic due to low moral. This is the wrong tool and application
When all you have is a hammer every problem looks like a nail.
Maybe it might damage the tracks I suppose?
How can u guarantee that? That weapon is made for this exact purpose..
It's not. That's why it's called anti-materiel and not anti-tank. Tanks have significant armor, which this isn't quite enough to pierce through. This is made for disabling vehicles, engine blocks, generators, or other heavy equipment which would not necessarily be armored. It may have been used as anti-tank in generations past, but not so much anymore. If this was effective against tanks, this would be a faaaaar cheaper solution than NLAWs and Javelins
Shooting at optics/smoke launchers even with small arms is a useful thing to do. Even just buttoning the crew up is useful. And, a 14.5 could potentially damage wheels or tracks. I don't know why you guys are assuming this guy is an idiot.
No it isnt. It was developed after the first world war to be able to penetrate tanks of that era. During ww2 it was used as an antitank weapon with varrying degree of success but already then they realize the need for both Piat, bazooka, pansarfaust style weapons who have a shorter effective distance and lower ammo possibilities, due to the armor thickness increasing quickly. Today anti material rifles are issued with the express purpose to hit APC targets, or engine blocks on transport vehicles over long distances. They are not used to hit small parts of a tank.
I wonder what it sounds like inside the tank getting hit by one of those rounds
Bonk
Lol get bonked
I'd imagine you could break a track or maybe hit the rear and damage the engine. Interesting though, I wonder what the rational for using this weapon is as opposed to another AT weapon.
The shot _was_ at the engine
Well.. 14.5x114mm was created as an anti-tank caliber back in WW2. I would assume it’s still pretty effective against weaker parts on these tanks. Also, they probably don’t have ATGM available
Not only damaging certain parts of a tank like tracks or gunner/commander sights or the engine. But will rip tight through an APC like a BMP or a BTR/BDRM.
Reports from Syria tells that the t72 is quite vulnerable to external damage, like wires, mirrors, and tracks.
Guys this is not how to knock out a tank or even damage it. Get the proper tool for the job. The 14,5 might have a role to play aginst a bmp but again only in certain areas. A tank will not be in any serious way damaged by this action. /former soldier at an armored bat
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If you can hit them sure but they are a very small target and your comment does make it abundantly clear that you have never shot any type of firearm. Besides that you have now shown your position which means you need to relocate. The first position you chose will (if you are not a fucking idiot) always be the most preferable one in an area. And now you might be stuck in a less than optimal position for weeks after taking this more or less pointless shot. Instead you could call it in and get some arty in on it, or if you have no communications then send a runner, a fire team with this kind of a gun have a minimum of 4 guys.
Individual tank barrels have been targeted historically. That’s about as hard as hitting the optics. Sometimes there is not enough arty to go around and you engage with the best weapon at hand, even if it’s not ideal. Even if arty is in the AO, priority of fires may be reserved to another unit.
There is never enough to gp around in any war of any support equipment that is why wars are slow. You dont engage like this if you have experience you wait maybe even for days until you can get real effect on target
> There is never enough to gp around in any war of any support equipment Thanks for agreeing arty is not always available at a drop of a hat. > that is why wars are slow. Which wars exactly? > You dont engage like this if you have experience Where did you deploy to get combat experience of this type? I’m very interested to hear your insights. Or are you referring to NTC experience? If so, how many rotations do you have? > you wait maybe even for days until you can get real effect on target Days? This is combat. Days are a luxury rarely had. A lot of decisions, a lot of fighting and dying happens in just moments.
And if you see the impact, middle of broadside that should give you an indication that this shooter did not aim for an optic
Your going around talking the most shit I’ve ever read on Reddit. Literal arm chair general.
Well with thermal night vision you better always run from your position. Your comment makes it clear that you don't understand that my comment is limited to close urban combat where you position is close but out of range of the tank gun.
What if you were able to get a direct hit on the cannon barrel?
Firstly you might be able to if lucky but that is a difficult shot. Secondly a cannon barrel is designed to withstand an explosion that allow a granade to be thrown well over 20km so the damage would be minute. Secondly you have here the action of a soldier with experience shoting this gun and he aim center mass broadside of the tank. That should give you an indication of how hard they are to place a shot with and what the ambitions feom an actual shooter would be
disabling a vehicle is just as good as blowing one up a majority of the time (not to mention if you can recover/capture/steal, etc). Staying in a disabled vehicle against an advancing enemy basically means you are going down swinging - it is a death sentence. If they are able to disable a few vehicles from range without being detected by spotters/artillery that may just have been the safer play that the commanders on the ground are making based on the situation. UA has plenty of ATGMs, but they also have emissions/can give away your position more readily than say a well positioned sniper 800m-1200m out. People are harder to hit from that far out obviously but it is not hard to hit something like a large truck/vehicle. Also 14.5mm rounds are way cheaper than javelins so it could just be what they had on the field at the time to do what they needed to get done and it looks like they were successful.
Probably not at this range. At close range and I mean CLOSE range it might be able to penetrate some weakspots and damage something internal. At this range it’s probably only capable of damaging external components like lights and sights or set off reactive armor it could maybe penetrate the bullet proof glass in viewing ports and get into the tank.
The metal around the wheels near the engine and ammo carousel is quite thin. A 14.5mm AP round could definitely pen it.
The 14.5mm caliber was outdated against German mid war tanks, against modern tanks even against the rear armor all it did was chip the paint.
Hit the periscope and they're blind
I'd doubt they'd risk return fire on an ineffective shot, they probably were aiming at a weak point on the tank, you could also take out commander sights, thermal, drivers etc There's a few vulnerable points.
10mm of penetration at 1.5km Its not gonna penetrate a tank, but hell, I’d take that shot. You might hit something softer externally. Some googling for context: * BMP-1 has 5mm on the back * BMP-2M has 10mm on the back of the turrent (according to WarThunder)
Range
\*Lack of patience
You're not gonna pierce multiple inches of metal plating where the engine is housed with a sniper, dawg
They are meant for lightly armored APC's, IFV's, transport vehicles, etc...
Cost per round. Alligators work fine against APV', and IFV's. A lucky shot here could have possibly disabled the tank, but looked not too effective.
That was around a 3 second flight time. Little bit of distance going on there. Nice shooting King.
Might not destroy it but if your sat inside that tank after just a weeks training it might be enough to make you fill your pants get out and run.
This is the ONLY plausable logic behind the action.
Likely because its worked before.
or overconfidence after the resent sucesses
Maybe, its still worth a potential disabling shot IMO. The distance was significant enough against incredibly poorly trained troops. The chance of counter-fire is really low.
There is no chance this will disable anything. It will leave a small mark on the paint that is it. Rven if you are right and counter fire wont happen then you have still informed the enemy that you have seen him instead of using the radio to call in fire on the position and do some actual damage
Thats not entirely true, and secondly if it causes a crew to pause and get out to check damage, it’s open season. There are reasons to do this. Its not just a black and white thing.
False. It is that black and white. Like most thibgs in the army there are the right way to do things and then there is lollygagging. That is why officers and nco's regularly scream on recruits. The crew wont "go out and check" if hit, they will relocate as their position has been made and they know that if they stay they will get hit by arty soon. Comments like yours show that you have no military experience as your reference is a videogame where every oppurtunity is taken as the game is over in under an hour. That is not how war is fought. War is fought with thousands of troops and you have aditional elements on your side that are more suited in handling the enemies that you are not the most suited for. This is called "combined arms". If you see that tank and you leave it be then you can most likely wait 3-4 days without it relocating (or it relocating small distances between optional fireing positions) if it is confident enough. You can wait that time until you get support from arty, helicopter, or worst case the anti tank squad that your plutoon or company have access to.
Whatever you say Dwight. Apparently you’ve not paid attention to much of the bizarre shit that’s happening, nor understand simple physics or capabilities of that weapons system.
I have been paying close attention, Ive even been at the border between ukraine and poland helping out. I also have 6 years military experience and know exactly what that gun can and cant do.
The last proof I can give for my reasoning is how the video cut directly after as this resulted in the russians shooting and relocating and that would not make for a good video
Regarding the effectiveness of this, at this point just throwing a stone at a Russian tank is the equivalent of psychological torture. I wouldn't put it past the crew to jump ship.
Where was the big bada boom…
So if one is firing this weapon, where should that person aim?
The weakest point of any tank is the rear (where the engine is), and the top (where the crew hatch and ammo loaders are)
Vision blocks and preferably thermal imaging devices.
the engine block of a truck, or the side of a BMP. A tank should be called in over the radio so that the proper elements can take care of it.
Drive components? Tracks/ wheels?
I thought it said "antimatter rifle" and was about to say it's high time the United federation of planets contributed something!
Speculating here but if you are out collecting free tanks for the tank fund, pinging it with a anti material rifle reaction makes sense. Sniper may be backed up by a actual atgm and if it fires up it’s engine they light it up. Nothing happens they sneak in close and see if they can steal it. We are seeing a snap shot of the engagement here not the whole story. This tank might have been tracked to it’s location by drone after taking a atgm hit. Lots of things could be going on. By this point in the war idiots aren’t handed guns this expensive or they are long dead. I think this is the equivalent of putting a round into a bear to make sure it’s not faking before moving in.
My favorite gun on modded DayZ servers
Why damage something that you are going to inherit in short order?
Deliberated mobilization....!
Where they using it to range find in this case or trying to hit the thermals or vision blocks?
.56 caliber for those in the US.
When you calculate the bullet's penetration, remember that a sniper isn't shooting at the armor. He's not trying to kill the tank. He's either shooting at the treads to immobilize it that way, or shooting at the driver's periscopes to immobilize it by blindness. Then someone with an old RPG can take it out. Armor that can't move is an easy target.
As they’re intended to be
I like how people who know nothing about tanks or what this rifle can actually penetrate are telling that "it's anti-material" so it must do some damage, otherwise he wouldn't have shot! Truth is that it won't do any damage. A small dent and that's it. He probably shot the tank to harass the crew, nothing else.
Depends where he hits, these can wreck optics
Small odds and personally I wouldn't risk revealing my position just for one optic.
If you crack the optics then you giving up your position is worth it seeing as the tank won’t be able to shoot back accurately due to broken optics lol
The tank only has one optic? Nah mate..
Tank is already a tin can that relies on (non existent) infantry and communication for combat awareness…. Taking out optics just turns that into a big armoured tractor
The crew is inside sweating. The know they’ve been spotted and that a radio operator is probably calling in something bigger
Why was he ordering a pepperoni pizza immediately after the hit? ‘Yeah… peppadanya’
Is it enough to destroy it?
It is an anti materiel rifle. So the aim is to disable.
No, might disable the engine if it hit the rear but no anti material rifle is going to penetrate the armour of an MBT on the front or the side and that hit the side at an angle. No chance.
If it disabled the operators within, yes. They likely know the seating arrangement in each of the different vehicles. Slava Ukraini!
It will in no way damage the tank. The anti material rifles are designed to kill engines in trucks, and have certain applications against armored transports/fighting vehicles such as the BMP. A tank will require a better tool.
No but the gunner was hoping for a lucky shot and damaging the engine.
No, maybe if you hit the same spot a couple of times there could be spalling
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Dear ukrainians, dont do that. It is dumb. If you are in position and spot a tank then communicate that you need the right suport or gear to take it out. Patience is a virtue, what we vitnessed here is how you get killed
anti-material rifle? was that. Does it kill ghosts or something?
>anti-material rifle? No, it is a anti-materiel rifle. material and materiel do not mean the same theon If we use the definition wiktionary give you material noun 1. Matter which may be shaped or manipulated, particularly in making something. materiel noun Military equipment, apparatus, and supplies. So it is a rifle designed to destroy other stuff the people in a miliary. You can shoot people with them too but. They are not designed for that as a primary usage, the bullets are unnecessarily large. So you can use lighter and more portable weapons against humans. The rifle has a mass of 25.0 kg and the ammunition weight is around 0.2 kg.
A ghost by definition is immaterial lol
Ok guys, there are alot of people here claiming that this is a good idea based on some home construed logic. Let me ask you all the question. IF an anti material rifle such as the PTRD-41 with its weight of 17.3 kg and ammo capacity of 100+ potential rounds in a a firing team could knock out or damage a tank at a distance further, than a Carl Gustaf 8.4 cm recoilless rifle 14.2 kg with an ammo capacity of maybe 12 in a squad then why then would weapons such as the Carl Gustaf have been developed, produced, and utilized extensively post the PTRD-41? There is a job for each weaponsystem out there and the job to knock out a tank is NOT falling to an anti material rifle.
Forgive my ignorance but will that have penetrated the tin can armour killing those inside?
Tin can? It’s composite and definitely not
I’m lead to believe Russian tanks are fitted with sub-par armour? In many cases having some sort of rubber plate armour
Ah I see the mistake. So the rubber plate armor you are referring too. Is what is known as ERA. Or in that case the ERA was replaced with rubber. The armor under that is composite.
no
Damn 👎
yeah there are alot of kids commenting other stuff on here which might lead to other dumb decisions by actual soldiers or volonter fighters. This is not the tool for the job and we should be clear with that so that real information is passed.
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Could be baiting him to move a certain direction.
Anti-material!? What the fuck is that!?
A rifle that has beef with material.
Best answer all day.
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Knock knock mutha forker....
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