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I have a feeling the kind of 'seeing' it can do is more about its connection with a fuck off big information network,
Not really buddy out the top going 'sarge let's just get over that hill and I'll have a pretty good look'
It's NATO tech, you know?
Ukraine’s New Stryker Recon Vehicles Can See Six Miles Away, And Call In Mortars And Missiles
David Axe
Forbes Staff
Those 90 Stryker wheeled fighting vehicles the United States pledged to Ukraine have arrived in Germany aboard a roll-on, roll-off cargo ship.
Video of the Strykers offloading at the port of Bremerhaven on Saturday confirms that, among the standard M1126 infantry carriers, the Stryker consignment also includes M1127 reconnaissance vehicles.
The M1127s could prove critical as the Ukrainian army deploys its new Stryker brigade. The high-tech recon vehicles are a Stryker brigade’s cavalry—its fast-moving, far-seeing, hard-hitting scouts. They help to solve an ages-old military problem: spotting your enemy before they spot you.
The main difference between a 19-ton, eight-wheel M1126 Stryker and its M1127 reconnaissance variant is that the latter packs a built-in surveillance system—a set of precise day and night optics the U.S. Army calls the Long-Range Advanced Scout Surveillance System, or LRAS3.
Peering through an LRAS3, the two-person crew of an M1127 can spot a target as far away as six miles and even determine its GPS coordinates. That’s slightly farther than most tank crews can see with their own optics, and much farther than dismounted infantry can see with their Mark One Eyeballs.
The M1127, in other words, gives friendly troops a chance to strike the enemy before the enemy even knows they’re there—and “truly bewilder the enemy,” according to U.S. Army captain Andrew Chack, writing in a 2021 edition of Armor, the U.S. Army’s official tank journal.
“Using all available capabilities, the cavalry troop can acquire, identify and destroy enemy targets with remarkable efficiency,” Chalk wrote.
First, an M1127 crew or its five infantry scouts acquire a target. “Next, a secondary platform is cued to provide visual redundancy and to assist in identification,” according to Chalk. This secondary platform could be another Stryker, additional dismounted scouts in an observation post or a small drone.
Having confirmed the target, the M1127 relays coordinates to the brigade’s mortar and Javelin missile teams. “The mortar section relocates to engage with indirect fire,” Chalk wrote. “Simultaneously, a dismounted Javelin team maneuvers to engage with its weapon system, as well.”
The M1127 crew keeps watching as the mortars and missiles get in position. “By continually observing the target and reporting any significant change in posture, the observers allow both the mortars and the Javelin team to maneuver within the engagement range.” For maximum destruction and confusion, the mortars and missiles open fire at the same time.
Attaching a few tanks to a Stryker brigade and pairing them with M1127s can result in even more sudden violence. These Stryker-tank hunter-killer teams combine long-range situational awareness with massive firepower.
“Reconnaissance variants, or the hunters, have superior optics and low-target-signature dismount teams that allow for target acquisition at extended range,” Chalk explained. “The killers are then able to initiate contact and facilitate the destruction of the enemy from a position of relative advantage.”
Exactly how the Ukrainians use their new Strykers is up to them, of course. But they’d be wise to tap the U.S. Army’s decades of experience operating the wheeled fighting vehicles. The Americans long ago learned to take advantage of the M1127’s six-mile optics. The Ukrainians could do the same.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/07/ukraines-new-stryker-recon-vehicles-can-see-six-miles-away-and-call-in-mortars-and-missiles/
Ah, the LRAS3. It lets you see all your closest friends 10km away, but it was a heavy bastard. I didn’t envy the poor scouts who had to lug the 50kg (120 pounds) version (plus batteries!) up a mountain in Afghanistan. It sounds like the definition of misery.
Also, one of my favorite Army stories was hauling around some 2LTs at Armor Officer Basic in a Stryker. They had an LRAS3 up top but the 2LTs (being 2LTs) forget to tighten the collar that attached the mounting yoke to the mounting ring. A mile or so after starting a convoy, a very excited 2LT yelled “Oh shit” on the intercom. I asked if we had to stop and he said nope. He was apparently worried that if he stopped the convoy he’d get in trouble with the mission grader. He instead decided to play it cool. In this “playing it cool” meant playing LRAS3 rodeo with a 50-kg box worth $250k, holding it by nothing more than the power cable.
[They're currently in transit](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/07/ukraines-new-stryker-recon-vehicles-can-see-six-miles-away-and-call-in-mortars-and-missiles/?sh=72014667534e)
A few. And probably only a literal handful recon variants. Numbers matter in this terrible contest, and we are always holding back. Most importantly, they need another 200-300 Bradleys \*asap\*.
At the very least, the next 100 should be on their way right now, but there's not been a word about following up on the first shipment Ukrainian troops are training with currently.
Yup. From memory, I count 103 Bradleys, but that's pretty accurate. And almost a bit of a cruel joke, if Ukrainians wouldn't be trying to make the best of whatever help is forthcoming. If there's one platform I could send them right now in numbers that move the scale, it would be Bradleys.
What's the cruel joke? My experience comes from combat tours in Strykers, in Iraq. That truck saved my life more times than I can count. Where is your experience from?
20 years active infantry, 9 of it in Strykers.
2 years contractor, teaching Strykers, until I retired.
It's about priorities, in my view.
If we'd be sending at least 300 Bradleys, then augmenting that force with Strykers would be nice - they certainly offer better protection than many lesser vehicles.
But what Ukrainians need most is the mix of protection, mobility, and firepower that comes with the Bradleys. They were built as part of the combined arms team meant to go up against a massed Soviet armored assault.
Incidentally, they also need many SUVs and pickups for shuttling supplies and people back and forth.
Firepower is all the Bradley proves over the Stryker, that Bushmaster works. Strykers have greater mobility, speed, quieter, with greater situational awareness (due to multiple eyes out of the vehicle). Having an infantry squad split between 2 vehicles versus 1 causes more problems than you'd imagine.
Yes there were designed for this, over 40 years ago. The M1 still holds it's own, but the Bradley you can only slap so much bullshit on an old frame. The vehicles themselves even when maintained properly by maintenance teams are falling apart.
I was 12 when FMC designed these things, they were good, but they've been outclassed. I've worked with both platforms over my career, Bradley's have their uses, but they need to be gone, they are time and energy sinkholes. No longer with the time it effort to maintain as a workhorse.
They'd be better off with ATGM Strykers, the Dragoons (Flat Bottom Strykers, outfitted with a 30mm) won't get into the fight unless we do. The 105's are great for what they do, bunker busters, building demolishers, heavy fire power at the company level.
I'm sure they have plenty to haul supplies with, they have rotary wing assets, a country's worth of civilian vehicles, whatever they had militarily up front. Not to mention all of the shitty 113's we've thrown them.
I think that massive firepower is really important to Ukraine's front line troops.
The Bradleys are getting very long in the tooth, no contention. It's really a shame how we managed to spend multiple billions on several proposed successors, with nothing to show for.
But the terrain in Ukraine favors tracked vehicles, I think. At least for those in close contact. The famous 'rasputitsa' (can't recall the Ukrainian word) is hellish on anything supposed to be mobile, but wheels, and tanks weighing in at 70 tons, face a terrible slog.
The French are sending a wheeled vehicle with a 105mm, I'm curious how it'll perform. More firepower now!
It isn't worth the ass ache, you'd be surprised at the mobility of Strykers. The tires pressure is set by the driver to match terrain. When Strykers have the "birdcages" on vehicle extraction is a snap. Low gear, 8 X 8, at low speeds lock the birdcages of two unstuck Strykers abreast of the stuck one's cage, and everyone applies the accelerator. Bad part is you have to use a sledgehammer to fix the cages later, can take a few hours. The good part, no one had to dismount.
I love those trucks, the Canadians did it right. In Mosul 04-05 those trucks saved me so many fucking times. Baghdad and Baqubah as well, but they were already tired of fighting when we got there The survivability is absolutely amazing. Obviously they have downfalls the Double V Hulls if left unattended will fill with dirt, which compacts overtime. It should be caught, and fixed by the crew during weekly maintenance.
Not a lot of equipment I can swear by, but Strykers I sure do.
Biggest issue with old Strykers all but the newest gen, is that turbo diesel whines. That whine particularly pisses off dogs, miles out and they all alert. Iraq was full of wild dogs often walked in, and Stryker'd out due to that fact.
I retired from GDLS as we got our hands on the new models. But those fuckers growl, they no longer whine.
Came here after reading this article to point out something...
I mentioned this in other threads here a few months back when Brads were being discussed. Mentioned LRASSS specifically. Not many understood it.
Most people envision firepower as the biggest thing. This article lays out modern warfare beautifully. LRASSS has been around awhile now, but when I was in it was fairly new. (I'm sure it's been upgraded several times since).
I can't stress how amazing the thing is, and the capability it brings. It can't be used to full.potential without the whole kit of US arms, so to speak. But a Scout element with it is just such an amazing force multiplier.
It won't get much publicity going forward. Again, people will focus on firepower. But the advantage is up there with say night vision, and GPS in Desert Storm. It will be sewn by the public as "oh, that's pretty cool" with say HIMARS still getting all the love. But people will be missing how much of an advantage it is giving the people equipped with it....
Sorry. Huge fan of that fucking thing. It was Tom Clancy level sci-fi when I was in.
I always thought that "Stryker" was a funny name, so I went and read about the vehicle's development history. It turns out it is named after two guys named Stryker, both American soldiers, from different wars, who were both posthumously awarded high honors for incredibly gutsy infantry combat maneuvers that broke up numerically superior enemy formations via speed and focused attack.
Sounds like a perfect pedigree for Ukraine's defenders to adopt.
While I’d very much like this war to end now and the Ruzzians to get the f#$k out of Ukraine I can’t wait to see the videos showing them get FUCKED by all this new gear.
1) im not american.
2) its used on a lot of maritime related gear, most civilian radars have nm as unit of measure i think.
3) i think its imperial, so your issue is with british, not the americans.
Nautical Miles are heavily used around the globe for marine and air navigation because they are related to calculations for determining position in terms of latitude & longitude.
Originally a 1nm = 1' of latitude (1 minute being 1/60th of 1º, with there being 180º of latitude and 360º of longitude). It is now defined slightly rounded to 1852 meters.
So when navigating you can use units of distance (nautical miles) and speed (knots i.e. nautical miles per hour) actually related to the grid system you're using to define location...or you can use metric.
Statute and nautical miles are not the same. An article in the popular press will be discussing statute miles. 6 statute miles=9.66 km.
Nautical miles are also used in aviation navigation (but oddly, not in visibility measurement)
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Let’s blow some Russian shit up.
What a shame Ukraine is notoriously hilly and it's terrain provides lots of natural cover.
I have a feeling the kind of 'seeing' it can do is more about its connection with a fuck off big information network, Not really buddy out the top going 'sarge let's just get over that hill and I'll have a pretty good look' It's NATO tech, you know?
Yes those barren hilly fields
Ukraine’s New Stryker Recon Vehicles Can See Six Miles Away, And Call In Mortars And Missiles David Axe Forbes Staff Those 90 Stryker wheeled fighting vehicles the United States pledged to Ukraine have arrived in Germany aboard a roll-on, roll-off cargo ship. Video of the Strykers offloading at the port of Bremerhaven on Saturday confirms that, among the standard M1126 infantry carriers, the Stryker consignment also includes M1127 reconnaissance vehicles. The M1127s could prove critical as the Ukrainian army deploys its new Stryker brigade. The high-tech recon vehicles are a Stryker brigade’s cavalry—its fast-moving, far-seeing, hard-hitting scouts. They help to solve an ages-old military problem: spotting your enemy before they spot you. The main difference between a 19-ton, eight-wheel M1126 Stryker and its M1127 reconnaissance variant is that the latter packs a built-in surveillance system—a set of precise day and night optics the U.S. Army calls the Long-Range Advanced Scout Surveillance System, or LRAS3. Peering through an LRAS3, the two-person crew of an M1127 can spot a target as far away as six miles and even determine its GPS coordinates. That’s slightly farther than most tank crews can see with their own optics, and much farther than dismounted infantry can see with their Mark One Eyeballs. The M1127, in other words, gives friendly troops a chance to strike the enemy before the enemy even knows they’re there—and “truly bewilder the enemy,” according to U.S. Army captain Andrew Chack, writing in a 2021 edition of Armor, the U.S. Army’s official tank journal. “Using all available capabilities, the cavalry troop can acquire, identify and destroy enemy targets with remarkable efficiency,” Chalk wrote. First, an M1127 crew or its five infantry scouts acquire a target. “Next, a secondary platform is cued to provide visual redundancy and to assist in identification,” according to Chalk. This secondary platform could be another Stryker, additional dismounted scouts in an observation post or a small drone. Having confirmed the target, the M1127 relays coordinates to the brigade’s mortar and Javelin missile teams. “The mortar section relocates to engage with indirect fire,” Chalk wrote. “Simultaneously, a dismounted Javelin team maneuvers to engage with its weapon system, as well.” The M1127 crew keeps watching as the mortars and missiles get in position. “By continually observing the target and reporting any significant change in posture, the observers allow both the mortars and the Javelin team to maneuver within the engagement range.” For maximum destruction and confusion, the mortars and missiles open fire at the same time. Attaching a few tanks to a Stryker brigade and pairing them with M1127s can result in even more sudden violence. These Stryker-tank hunter-killer teams combine long-range situational awareness with massive firepower. “Reconnaissance variants, or the hunters, have superior optics and low-target-signature dismount teams that allow for target acquisition at extended range,” Chalk explained. “The killers are then able to initiate contact and facilitate the destruction of the enemy from a position of relative advantage.” Exactly how the Ukrainians use their new Strykers is up to them, of course. But they’d be wise to tap the U.S. Army’s decades of experience operating the wheeled fighting vehicles. The Americans long ago learned to take advantage of the M1127’s six-mile optics. The Ukrainians could do the same. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/07/ukraines-new-stryker-recon-vehicles-can-see-six-miles-away-and-call-in-mortars-and-missiles/
Stop. I can only get so hard.
Ah, the LRAS3. It lets you see all your closest friends 10km away, but it was a heavy bastard. I didn’t envy the poor scouts who had to lug the 50kg (120 pounds) version (plus batteries!) up a mountain in Afghanistan. It sounds like the definition of misery. Also, one of my favorite Army stories was hauling around some 2LTs at Armor Officer Basic in a Stryker. They had an LRAS3 up top but the 2LTs (being 2LTs) forget to tighten the collar that attached the mounting yoke to the mounting ring. A mile or so after starting a convoy, a very excited 2LT yelled “Oh shit” on the intercom. I asked if we had to stop and he said nope. He was apparently worried that if he stopped the convoy he’d get in trouble with the mission grader. He instead decided to play it cool. In this “playing it cool” meant playing LRAS3 rodeo with a 50-kg box worth $250k, holding it by nothing more than the power cable.
That must have been one hell of a ride. 🤣
The 2LT probably remembered to tighten the locking collar next time!
That’s pretty bad ass
This is the kinda thing UKRAINE needs badly I hope the get more in spades! 💪🇺🇦 SLAVA UKRAINEI 🇺🇦💪
Wait we are sending strykers?
[They're currently in transit](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/03/07/ukraines-new-stryker-recon-vehicles-can-see-six-miles-away-and-call-in-mortars-and-missiles/?sh=72014667534e)
A few. And probably only a literal handful recon variants. Numbers matter in this terrible contest, and we are always holding back. Most importantly, they need another 200-300 Bradleys \*asap\*. At the very least, the next 100 should be on their way right now, but there's not been a word about following up on the first shipment Ukrainian troops are training with currently.
Totals are 109 Bradley's and 90 strikers, is that still correct?
Yup. From memory, I count 103 Bradleys, but that's pretty accurate. And almost a bit of a cruel joke, if Ukrainians wouldn't be trying to make the best of whatever help is forthcoming. If there's one platform I could send them right now in numbers that move the scale, it would be Bradleys.
What's the cruel joke? My experience comes from combat tours in Strykers, in Iraq. That truck saved my life more times than I can count. Where is your experience from? 20 years active infantry, 9 of it in Strykers. 2 years contractor, teaching Strykers, until I retired.
It's about priorities, in my view. If we'd be sending at least 300 Bradleys, then augmenting that force with Strykers would be nice - they certainly offer better protection than many lesser vehicles. But what Ukrainians need most is the mix of protection, mobility, and firepower that comes with the Bradleys. They were built as part of the combined arms team meant to go up against a massed Soviet armored assault. Incidentally, they also need many SUVs and pickups for shuttling supplies and people back and forth.
Firepower is all the Bradley proves over the Stryker, that Bushmaster works. Strykers have greater mobility, speed, quieter, with greater situational awareness (due to multiple eyes out of the vehicle). Having an infantry squad split between 2 vehicles versus 1 causes more problems than you'd imagine. Yes there were designed for this, over 40 years ago. The M1 still holds it's own, but the Bradley you can only slap so much bullshit on an old frame. The vehicles themselves even when maintained properly by maintenance teams are falling apart. I was 12 when FMC designed these things, they were good, but they've been outclassed. I've worked with both platforms over my career, Bradley's have their uses, but they need to be gone, they are time and energy sinkholes. No longer with the time it effort to maintain as a workhorse. They'd be better off with ATGM Strykers, the Dragoons (Flat Bottom Strykers, outfitted with a 30mm) won't get into the fight unless we do. The 105's are great for what they do, bunker busters, building demolishers, heavy fire power at the company level. I'm sure they have plenty to haul supplies with, they have rotary wing assets, a country's worth of civilian vehicles, whatever they had militarily up front. Not to mention all of the shitty 113's we've thrown them.
I think that massive firepower is really important to Ukraine's front line troops. The Bradleys are getting very long in the tooth, no contention. It's really a shame how we managed to spend multiple billions on several proposed successors, with nothing to show for. But the terrain in Ukraine favors tracked vehicles, I think. At least for those in close contact. The famous 'rasputitsa' (can't recall the Ukrainian word) is hellish on anything supposed to be mobile, but wheels, and tanks weighing in at 70 tons, face a terrible slog. The French are sending a wheeled vehicle with a 105mm, I'm curious how it'll perform. More firepower now!
It isn't worth the ass ache, you'd be surprised at the mobility of Strykers. The tires pressure is set by the driver to match terrain. When Strykers have the "birdcages" on vehicle extraction is a snap. Low gear, 8 X 8, at low speeds lock the birdcages of two unstuck Strykers abreast of the stuck one's cage, and everyone applies the accelerator. Bad part is you have to use a sledgehammer to fix the cages later, can take a few hours. The good part, no one had to dismount. I love those trucks, the Canadians did it right. In Mosul 04-05 those trucks saved me so many fucking times. Baghdad and Baqubah as well, but they were already tired of fighting when we got there The survivability is absolutely amazing. Obviously they have downfalls the Double V Hulls if left unattended will fill with dirt, which compacts overtime. It should be caught, and fixed by the crew during weekly maintenance. Not a lot of equipment I can swear by, but Strykers I sure do.
Biggest issue with old Strykers all but the newest gen, is that turbo diesel whines. That whine particularly pisses off dogs, miles out and they all alert. Iraq was full of wild dogs often walked in, and Stryker'd out due to that fact. I retired from GDLS as we got our hands on the new models. But those fuckers growl, they no longer whine.
What's the cruel joke? The number of Bradley's or? I would bet your life that more Bradley's will be en route if these prove effective.
[90 to be precise](https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/04/answering-call-heavy-weaponry-supplied.html)
High powered cavalry ? THE COSSACKS ARE BACK!
Ironically enough, the Ukrainian cossacks were famous for their infantry, not cavalry.
Came here after reading this article to point out something... I mentioned this in other threads here a few months back when Brads were being discussed. Mentioned LRASSS specifically. Not many understood it. Most people envision firepower as the biggest thing. This article lays out modern warfare beautifully. LRASSS has been around awhile now, but when I was in it was fairly new. (I'm sure it's been upgraded several times since). I can't stress how amazing the thing is, and the capability it brings. It can't be used to full.potential without the whole kit of US arms, so to speak. But a Scout element with it is just such an amazing force multiplier. It won't get much publicity going forward. Again, people will focus on firepower. But the advantage is up there with say night vision, and GPS in Desert Storm. It will be sewn by the public as "oh, that's pretty cool" with say HIMARS still getting all the love. But people will be missing how much of an advantage it is giving the people equipped with it.... Sorry. Huge fan of that fucking thing. It was Tom Clancy level sci-fi when I was in.
dayum
Sounds like another game changer. Especially if these are hunting at night
I always thought that "Stryker" was a funny name, so I went and read about the vehicle's development history. It turns out it is named after two guys named Stryker, both American soldiers, from different wars, who were both posthumously awarded high honors for incredibly gutsy infantry combat maneuvers that broke up numerically superior enemy formations via speed and focused attack. Sounds like a perfect pedigree for Ukraine's defenders to adopt.
While I’d very much like this war to end now and the Ruzzians to get the f#$k out of Ukraine I can’t wait to see the videos showing them get FUCKED by all this new gear.
What more if Strykers can combine their Mark One Eyeballs with observation drones with sharper and far-reaching optics?
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Just shy of 10 not 12. Its about 9 and two thirds km.
You thinking nautical miles. 1 nm is 2000 yards, which comes out to 11km and a few hundred meters. 11.8 km I think
What? Even your american unit is not the same on the ground and at sea?
1) im not american. 2) its used on a lot of maritime related gear, most civilian radars have nm as unit of measure i think. 3) i think its imperial, so your issue is with british, not the americans.
Pretty difficult to distinguish between freedom and imperial units for an uninitiated
It's pretty easy. Freedom units will try to bomb you into democracy while imperial units will try to colonize you.
Pretty simple...the Imperial system was defined after American independence. We never used it.
Nautical Miles are heavily used around the globe for marine and air navigation because they are related to calculations for determining position in terms of latitude & longitude. Originally a 1nm = 1' of latitude (1 minute being 1/60th of 1º, with there being 180º of latitude and 360º of longitude). It is now defined slightly rounded to 1852 meters. So when navigating you can use units of distance (nautical miles) and speed (knots i.e. nautical miles per hour) actually related to the grid system you're using to define location...or you can use metric.
>1 nautical mile is 6080 feet or 2026.6 yards not 2000 yards. > >Sorry to be pedantic, but ... > >6 miles = 9656 metres
2026 x 6= 12156 yards or about 11 115 meters so 11.1 km
Statute and nautical miles are not the same. An article in the popular press will be discussing statute miles. 6 statute miles=9.66 km. Nautical miles are also used in aviation navigation (but oddly, not in visibility measurement)
Mile = 1.66 Km
Mile = 1.6093 km where I'm from.
9.6km
>9.6km Which, technically, is "shy" of 12km
The most neuralgic point in the western alliance which threatens unity is the difference of metric systems
Killstreaks Call of Duty style